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FireFlysledges: well, I've extracted the QML files from the lipstick binary and looked at them, does that count? :P00:13
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FireFlyI don't really like how the QML files are embedded like that..00:13
FireFlywould've been nice if they were external somewhere in the file system00:13
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sledgesFireFly: yes, is not as fun as nokia n9 times; but who prevents you from tinkering by keeping the file length intact? ;P00:22
sledgesfor such tings like moving clock up the screen (/me just realised the flaw that louisdk idea would cause when peeking at the clock from within app switcher/minimise edge swipe ;))00:23
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Stskeepsgood morning06:28
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QuuStskeeps: any way to get current date under the clock?06:43
Quuon the lockscreen thingie06:43
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Quui find it stupidly hard to launch calendar just to see what day it is :p06:43
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specialsounds like a good tjc item06:45
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Quuwell, i still cant post anything there06:45
Quumaybe i should create another account and test it06:45
Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/question/12694/display-current-date-below-time-in-lock-screen/06:46
Quugood good06:47
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tbrQuu: you noticed that the date is in the pulley menu of locks screen, right?06:48
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Nicd-hmmm06:50
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Nicd-on OS X I can see the phone in Image Capture when I connect it with USB06:50
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Nicd-the name is armv7hl and it says it has 1222 items06:51
Nicd-but it doesn't display any pictures :/06:51
Nicd-and now there's a process called PTPCamera using a lot of CPU06:52
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Venemo_jVDVsx: ping07:04
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VDVsxVenemo_j, pong07:08
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Venemo_jVDVsx: pinging you because IIRC you replied to the email sync issue on together that it's fixed07:09
VDVsxyup07:09
Venemo_jVDVsx: it's a lot better but it's not completely okay yet07:10
Venemo_jit now syncs most of the time (I checked yesterday)07:10
Venemo_jbut07:10
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Venemo_jif I disable wifi and cellular data for the evening and reenable cellular data in the morning, it doesn't start syncing automatically07:11
VDVsxVenemo_j, you mean never or just after you enable them ?07:12
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Venemo_jit was just sitting there saying "last sync 14 hours ago" until I made it sync manually07:12
VDVsxVenemo_j, it should try in the next sync window, if you can collect journal logs would be appreciated, that works fine here07:13
Venemo_jVDVsx: I'm not sure if it would've synced by itself eventually07:13
Venemo_jI lost patience after waiting for ~10 minutes07:14
VDVsxVenemo_j, what's your sync time ?07:14
VDVsxinterval07:14
Venemo_jdunno, I forgot where the setting is07:15
VDVsxVenemo_j, settings->apps->mail07:15
Venemo_jevery 30 minutes07:16
VDVsxVenemo_j, ok, so if the window was just before you enabled wifi it would only try again after 30mins07:16
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Venemo_jVDVsx: ok, that's a bug then07:18
VDVsxVenemo_j, why ? :)07:18
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Venemo_jVDVsx: if it was synced 14 hours ago, I don't want it to wait for another interval07:18
Venemo_jN9 would sync immediately in such a situation07:19
VDVsxVenemo_j, well, so you want all processes that need network to kick in when you enable network :D07:19
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VDVsxVenemo_j, if is each 30mins is each 30mins not each 30mins and when user has network :D07:20
VDVsxI would consider it a bug if it syncs at random intervals when I explicitly set it to 30mins07:21
Venemo_jVDVsx: well, I understand the opinion but from a usability perspective, I disagree07:21
VDVsxVenemo_j, if you don't want to wait you can do a manual sync or choose a smaller interval07:22
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Venemo_jin my book, "every 30 minutes" means that it should ensure the last sync was <= 30 minutes ago, when it has a connection. I expect it to sync immediately when I turn on the network and it was synced > 30 minutes ago07:24
Venemo_jlike I said, the N9 also works in such a way, and I think this is the logical way07:24
Venemo_jfrom a usability point of view, that is07:25
VDVsxVenemo_j, last sync was for sure 30mins ago, but failed :)07:25
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VDVsxn9 has a daemon always running for that, the device never goes to sleep state07:25
Venemo_jVDVsx: if it makes you feel better, think about this as a feature request07:25
VDVsxso it reacts always to network requests07:25
VDVsxvery dificult to do that without inpacting the battery a lot07:26
Venemo_jVDVsx: I'm sure there is a good solution :)07:26
VDVsxsince someone has to check always for those conditions07:26
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Venemo_jno07:26
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VDVsxVenemo_j, good is open, you can provide patches :)07:26
VDVsxcode*07:26
Venemo_jwhy not just make a dbus signal when network is turned on?07:26
Venemo_jand then react to that07:27
VDVsxVenemo_j, it's here, current logic can't accommodate that, but can be done with some effort: https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-syncfw07:29
VDVsxsorry need to get back to work :)07:29
Venemo_jkk07:29
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VDVsxVenemo_j, and btw, you can ofc make a suggestion at t.j.c for that :)07:31
VDVsxI might forget is not there and someone does not keep pinging :(07:32
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Mirvany fresh ideas on the battery drain problem that is not yet mentioned at https://together.jolla.com/question/34510/severely-increased-battery-drain-after-10420-update/ ?07:40
fluxhungermeter isn't mentioned07:41
fluxthough it's not a solution, but a tool07:41
fluxthough hunger meter should really be extended to do logging from longer periods of time07:41
Mirvit seems hungry now if I remember how it was before the update - more around 2W than under 1W, but I didn't use it much before so I'm not sure what I had earlier07:42
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fluxthere was this app for n900 that did long-term logging07:43
fluxlike, weeks back07:43
fluxit also drew on top of the graph if the device was using data, charging, etc07:43
fluxthat would be nice. now, someone else, run with the idea!07:44
MirvI guess for the next night I need to try some of the stuff that I tried the last time before tohd was found to be the culprit - disabling sync settings from accounts, disabling also 3G connection.. almost everything else has been tried out already07:47
Mirvor, disabling tohd of course :) but I'd doubt it'd be it this time07:48
pp_apparently there's a sync bug that syncs despite no accounts?07:48
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PnuuI haven't had the power drain with the latest version07:49
pp_I sort of have a hunch that wlan might be involved too, it must be a battery suck and seems to connect/work much better now07:49
Pnuumobile data is always on, but I don't have anything that's using it07:50
oh8gnzam I so blind but is there no place to put busy hours to normal email account, only exchange07:50
Pnuupp_: a friend of mine disable also wifi, still drains07:50
oh8gnzi dont have any problems with power draining with new version07:51
oh8gnznot even the last before this first non beta07:51
tbroh8gnz: I think it's already in the exchange settings, because there they licensed all the nokia code for activesync and that had this already and runs independently of the scheduler07:51
oh8gnzits not nice if hone beeps in themiddle of the night07:52
Mirvpp_: I've had wlan always off (my latest comment is the last one under "At least mail synchronization..." answer)07:54
Mirvzbenjamin: post your 1h powertop results then here too :)08:03
zbenjaminMirv: i will08:04
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Nicd-Mirv: do you have email sync on and how often?08:09
MirvNicd-: disabled08:10
Nicd-ah08:10
junnuvicould someone please look which version of Paketti is latest available on store?08:10
MirvI disabled it after the first night of battery drainage, after finding out it got enabled during the update08:10
fluxoh, there's powertop for jolla, installing..08:11
Temejunnuvi: for me it's 0.3.208:11
Temeat least it says so on info page08:11
Nicd-junnuvi: I just checked yesterday, I have 0.4.0 installed (from the store) but now the latest available is 0.3.208:12
Temejunnuvi: any way to check it once installed (from cli?)08:12
junnuviuugh, thats sad. 0.4.5 was uploaded two days ago08:12
junnuviTeme: yes, pulldown menu => about08:13
Teme0.4.008:13
junnuvi0.4.5 was approwed two days ago08:13
Temejust installed08:13
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Temethe info page said 0.3.208:13
Temeyou got a proper mess lad08:13
junnuviyes it looks like08:14
junnuviis there any jolla emplyeer here who can check what is wrong? :)08:15
junnuvi-r08:15
Kiranoshttps://together.jolla.com/question/34899/email-client-quiet-mode-no-notifications-between-set-hours/08:15
Kiranosthe 1+ answer in that question, is that really how answer is intended to be used?08:15
Kiranosfeels like a comment08:16
oh8gnzthose are bubble gum fixes08:17
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oh8gnzlike the author said, more general should be made someday08:17
TemeKiranos: no it is not08:18
Temealthough your question is not proper either ;)08:19
Kiranosok?08:19
Temeif we are strictly speaking how that kind of platform (stacks or whatever should be utilized)08:19
Temeand move that last bracket after "whatever" :D08:20
Temeyour question should have an answer08:20
Temethat's what i mean08:20
chriadamit might be that the device isn't properly entering deep sleep mode, due to waking up every 15 mins to do Facebook/Twitter syncs (even if you have no accounts added)08:20
Temenow it's just a feature request08:20
KiranosTeme: yea thought it was ok to post feature requests in together08:21
Kiranosthought it was the official way08:21
Temeso i'd say if everyone agrees on a bit more lenient use of the platform then your question is okay and so is the answer08:21
chriadamas I mentioned in that tjc.  fix is coming.08:21
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Kiranosanwer to a feature requests should be yes /no will be fixed but done in this way08:21
Kiranosimo08:21
TemeKiranos: yeah i have no idea how the rules are in together08:21
tango_btw the upgrade brought the tutorial back08:22
Temethe platform seems to be the stack exchange Q&A software.. i just know the rules enforced on stack overflow and there it's strictly Q&A or you're out :P08:22
Stskeepsaskbot08:23
Stskeepsnot stack exhcange08:23
Temeaha08:23
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Temecan't tell from the looks ;)08:23
TriztMirv: not sure, but in my case it was that all my 2800+ photos was backuped to google after the update, seems android apps now can access memory card too08:23
StskeepsO_o08:24
StskeepsTrizt: google apps went crazy?08:24
Temewhat the actual fuck :D08:24
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MirvTrizt: ok, I don't have such android apps that would do the sync08:25
MirvI do have lots of lots of photos08:26
TemeKiranos: i woke up today to an SMS i didn't need so i agree with your request :(08:26
TriztStskeeps: sure, it found all my old photos on the SD card, took some time to upload them all08:26
Nicd-ooh08:26
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Nicd-I'd love for G+ to backup my photos but it won't :(08:26
Temeshould get a mode like "silence sounds except for incoming calls or smth"08:26
StskeepsTrizt: ouch08:26
Stskeepsnaturally we can't know what google apps do as we don't support it but that just sounds overly evil of google08:27
KiranosTeme: yea a general no notification start end time would be great08:27
MirvI don't have G services, or anything from openrepos for that matter08:27
MirvTrizt: anyhow, quite a feature :D08:27
Mirv"thanks google"08:27
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TriztStskeeps: I had enabled backup of photos, so that's not eveil of google, but of me08:27
Stskeepsah08:27
Stskeepsokay08:27
Stskeepsi thought it did it without any trigger08:27
Kiranosanyone has a dropbox apk running on jolla?08:28
TriztStskeeps: is there a "date" for the f-secure storage?08:28
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StskeepsTrizt: i don't have that information sorry08:28
Stskeepsask me about anything research-y and mer-ish though08:29
Stskeeps:P08:29
nahkiss_Kiranos: isn't there native app already?08:29
Trizt:( okey, I just thought you were the human jolla wiki ;)08:29
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Kiranosnahkiss: oh couldnt find one yesterday08:29
Kiranosbut might be08:29
nahkisssailbox yeah08:30
nahkissnot sure if it was on jolla store or in openrepos/warehouse08:30
Kiranossailbox was in official08:30
Kiranosthanks!08:30
joonahoiTrizt: google drive deleted the pictures? or what now, can't quite follow here08:30
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joonahoiI have pre-alpha version of a program that actually monitors my camera directory and pushes the taken pictures to google drive08:31
Triztjoonahoi: it uploaded all my photos from the jolla to google+08:31
joonahoibut i decided to not to develop it further, as f-secure > google08:31
joonahoiTrizt: oh, wow08:31
Triztall photos are still on the phone and on my google+ account storage08:31
* joonahoi checking his account08:31
Pnuuthe download system of sailbox seems a bit too complicated08:32
Nicd-joonahoi: please continue it08:32
Triztit was just that it drained my battery as it took time to upload the 2800+ photos08:32
Nicd-joonahoi: the f-secure is going to be an android app :/08:32
joonahoiw00t?08:32
Pnuubut I don't really use dropbox anymore for anything that I'd need on the phone08:32
joonahoidamn :/08:32
Nicd-joonahoi: at start at least08:32
joonahoiOk ok. Hope they'll publish an API at some point at least08:33
Nicd-sadly my photos weren't auto backed up to G+ :(08:33
Nicd-even though the app says they are08:33
joonahoiafter all it's just http requests with JSON payload afaik08:33
Triztjoonahoi: that had been nice with your app, specially if you could choose more than just google08:33
* Trizt should work08:34
Kiranosandroid apps which use services, like email clients does this work on jolla, having an android app contantly active in the background to poll email server etc?08:34
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joonahoiI'll see what I can do. There's few obstacles here. First of all, harbour doesn't allow background services that this one would actually need. Ie. no use to keep "blank" cover up and running08:36
joonahoiand second is that the use of the app is pretty limited, as it is only used to push the data, I'm not planning to implement a two-way sync08:37
TriztKiranos: my experience is that android apps don't work well unless you have it full screen08:37
joonahoibut maybe i'll just publish it at some point as a self deployable package that people can install if they have knowhow08:38
fluxnot to mention running multiple android apps is currently annoying08:38
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joonahoiBtw, where can I find some information about younited <-> jolla stuff? The mention about it being android app for example08:40
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Accejoonahoi: oh god no, where did you hear that?08:41
joonahoifew lines up08:41
joonahoi10:30 < Nicd-> joonahoi: the f-secure is going to be an android app :/08:42
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joonahoiI had the assumption it would be native, too08:43
AcceThat would definitely be a mistake.. but why would it be an android app? there already is an android app for younited, isn't there08:43
Triztflux: yeah, wish it could have one cover per app. Tizxen solves this by building speciall packages of android apps, so you can't install which ever android app you want, at least that I understood it08:44
joonahoiYeah there is08:44
joonahoiI think that Nicd- has got it wrong along the lines somewhere08:44
joonahoiand sure as hell hope so08:44
joonahoi:D08:44
joonahoithat's why I asked for the source of the information08:44
joonahoiI would really love a native solution to make my own app obsolete, as younited > google storage, from almost every standpoint. starting with the actual privacy.08:46
Nicd-joonahoi: I got the assumption from IRC chats with jolla employees that at the beginning it may be an android version08:46
joonahoiIt really seems that F-Secure is reinventing itself as a privacy centered company08:47
Nicd-I have the logs but don't really want to start spreading them around08:47
joonahoiI hope you have it wrong. The android client already exists anyway08:47
Nicd-exactly, that's why it would be easy to start with it08:48
Nicd-just push it into the jolla store and it's all set :P08:48
AcceNicd-: the logs can be search in the web, if you talked about it on #jollamobile or #sailfishos08:48
Accesearched*08:48
Nicd-though android apps have problems with accessing new photos (need to kill dalvik or reboot for them to be seen), dunno if it was fixed in the latest update08:48
Nicd-Acce: not those08:48
ottulonenNicd-: it wasn't fixed yet08:49
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artemmaanybody here knows about Jolla browser specific CSS?08:55
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artemmaI can't kill default input controls styling with -moz-appearence: none;08:55
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crazy_imphow long should it take to enable the dev mode? it's showing the "progress bar" for some minutes now...09:01
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crazy_imp.oO(all i want is to update... and it needs some tweaking to get it into the eduroam)09:07
Triztcrazy_imp: sometimes it takes a while, go and make yourself a mug of tea09:07
crazy_impdoes it need some internet connection for this?09:08
Triztno, as far as I know09:08
TheBootroo_workcrazy_imp: be carefull dude, seems like your nose migrated from between your eyes to the left of your face ^^09:08
crazy_impTheBootroo_work: ?!09:11
TheBootroo_workcrazy_imp: "10:06:48 <crazy_imp> :  .oO"09:11
Stskeeps..09:11
Stskeepsthought bubbles09:11
Stskeeps:P09:11
TheBootroo_workthe right place for your nose is o.O09:11
crazy_impindeed09:12
TheBootroo_workStskeeps: \o/09:12
covoxalso you should get that conjunctivitis looked at09:12
TheBootroo_workcovox: yeah09:12
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Venemo_jhm09:15
Venemo_jlipstick just crashed09:15
Venemo_jblinking green led + all apps killed :(09:15
StskeepsVenemo_j: journalctl -n 500000 > log09:16
Stskeepsplease09:16
Venemo_jk09:16
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Venemo_jStskeeps: as user or root?09:17
Stskeepsroot09:17
Venemo_jok, done09:18
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Stskeepsok, mail it to me, but check if there's any data you wouldn't want me to see first09:18
Venemo_jStskeeps: email app doesn't see this file in 'add attachment'09:19
StskeepsVenemo_j: ah, you're mobile atm..09:19
Venemo_jyep09:19
Venemo_j_j = jolla09:19
StskeepsVenemo_j: it can wait, not in a big rush09:20
Stskeepsjust needed to collect the log as soon as possible09:20
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Venemo_jok09:21
crazy_impis there any editor installed in the factory default image?09:22
covoxcrazy_imp: does cat count as an editor09:23
covox:P just install vim09:23
Stskeepssed!09:23
Stskeeps:P09:23
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crazy_impcovox: only if you have echo / <> in the shell :D09:25
crazy_impcovox: no wlan... you see the problem with installing software / updates? :D09:26
Temewhat other editing tools could anyone possibly need09:26
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covoxcrazy_imp: sideload those rpms then :P09:27
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netzviehdoes push imap work with the mail client yet?09:28
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netzviehhmm it still says roadmap on tjc -.-09:32
ggabrielvote, vote!09:33
netzviehI hope there's a feature update for the mailclient next update09:33
ggabrielthe sync frequency is not great either09:33
netzviehwell I don't need pull :D09:33
ggabrielwho does?09:34
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crazy_impwlan \o/10:34
crazy_impso, how do i start the updates :D10:34
ggabrielcrazy_imp: settings->system->about->pulley menu10:35
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crazy_impoh10:37
crazy_imphmpf10:38
crazy_imp1.0.0.5 and it says "up to date"10:38
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maxoratordo pkcon/zypper come with some default repositories already attached, and if not, which ones should be compatible?10:49
ggabrielssu lr will show you the repositories that you have (enabled, disabled, etc)10:50
ggabrielpkcon/zypper are just tools for packagekit...10:50
ggabrieland not sure what you mean by "compatible"10:50
ggabrielofc you aren't going to add a fedore repository to sailfish, if that's what you mean10:50
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crazy_impggabriel: any ideas to convince it that there are updates waiting?10:52
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ggabrielcrazy_imp: not sure... search in tjc, I think that happened before and is documented there10:53
ggabrielcrazy_imp: i'd probably try a pkcon refresh from the terminal, but at your own risk ;-)10:53
rangoymaxorator: what is this repo;  - home                       ... https://download.jollamobile.com/home:/honeybadger/latest_armv7hl/10:53
rangoyit's disabled on my phone, and i do not think i've diabled it10:54
Pnuucrazy_imp: try the check updates again10:54
rangoyand a quick google could reveal that it's only an example repo10:57
crazy_impPnuu: doesn't change anything10:58
crazy_impggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/18630/unable-to-update-software-os/ ?10:58
ggabrielcan you access the jolla store? :)10:59
crazy_impi'm signed in, the jolla account website also shows my phone (so i guess i'm successfully logged in)10:59
crazy_impi can see it, but if i try to install something, it fails10:59
Pnuuhave you removed the tutorial app?10:59
crazy_impno10:59
Pnuugood, don't11:00
ggabrielhave you enabled dev mode?11:00
crazy_impggabriel: i tried, only the progressbar and it never went to "active"11:00
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Jonnicrazy_imp: basic questions is your device clock and date in right time, updates will fail if your clock is even a minute behind.11:14
Jonnihave you ever accidentally pressed the SSU updates button, if you have then your device is in wrong domain and updates will fail.11:14
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crazy_impJonni: i might did that - but it requieres a login (which i don't have? - so it shouldn't change anything, or?)11:19
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ggabrielcrazy_imp: oops11:19
ggabrielSSU updates is evil at that version, so that may be the issue11:20
Nicd-crazy_imp: there was a bug with the dev update button where it changed something even though you had the wrong credentials11:20
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Jonnicrazy_imp: even if you cancel the login query, it changes the domain, so you need to change the domain back to sales11:20
crazy_impgreat...11:20
crazy_imp:D11:20
crazy_imphow can i fix that?11:21
crazy_impcannot enable the dev mode, nor do i have any terminal on it right now (or is it somewhere hidden like the check for updates?)11:21
crazy_impreset the device?11:21
ggabrielresetting is easiest i think11:22
Jonnicrazy_imp:11:23
Jonni    log in with x@sales with any password, it fails11:23
Jonni    turn back devmode again11:23
crazy_impnow it's resetting :D11:23
Jonniso its easier just to login x@sales on ssu dialog, no need to reset :)11:23
crazy_impturn back devmode again - ?11:24
Jonnibut reset should do the trick too :)11:24
crazy_impit never turned on the dev mode here...11:24
Jonnior actually "login with x@sales, it fails, now you can do system update"11:24
Jonnibut anyways reset should work too.11:25
crazy_impis it done if it shows the charging % on the screen and the led is light blue?11:25
ggabrielthat often means charging11:27
ggabrieljust double tap and see if it comes alive11:27
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crazy_impbooting :)11:27
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crazy_impah, finally it's installing stuff :)11:35
crazy_impthanks :)11:35
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cvpthe volume has been reduced during calls since last update?11:42
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crazy_impthe sailfish logo reminds me of the seagate logo :D11:56
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Milo-crazy_imp good catch :o12:02
crazy_impbtw, does the system update reset / block the traffic counters while it's downloading?12:02
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fluxcrazy_imp, nonsense, seagate logo has 5 lines :)12:09
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Nicd-still a lot of tickets available: http://www.eventbrite.com/e/jolla-and-sailfish-hack-day-tickets-1070601899112:12
Nicd-ping flux, Yaniel12:12
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fluxhmm12:14
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crazy_impis 1.0.2.5 -> 1.0.4.20 a valid update path (skipping 1.0.3.8)?12:22
fluxI think it only does one step at a time12:22
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crazy_impthat's what i've read too12:22
fluxright, I haven't tried myself12:23
Nicd-someone mentioned it goes from 1025 to 1042012:23
Nicd-skipping 103812:23
crazy_impbut it's not trying to download 1.0.3.8, it goes directly for 1.0.4.2012:23
fluxbut I certainly wouldn't try to skip a revision. it would probably be less tested.12:23
fluxinteresting12:23
special1.0.2.5 is the only point where it stops12:23
fluxmaybe there are some updates that are masked 'point of no skipping'12:24
fluxmarked even12:24
* crazy_imp will get something to eat while it's downloading12:25
inffy_mine skipped the 1.0.3.8 update yesterday after a factory reset12:25
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crazy_imp80% downloaded nearly instant... no food for me?12:27
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maxoratordo jolla default repos contain build tools or do I have to cross compile everything (for example for shared libraries)?12:41
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Stskeepsmaxorator: we have a sdk as well12:42
maxoratorI meant more like shared libraries which are usually independent from distros12:43
Stskeepsmaxorator: there's build tools in the repository, the os is self-hosted, but i wouldn't recommend building on device12:43
Kiranoscrazy_imp: I got my phone yesterday, 1.0.0.5 as the OS at start, upgarded to 1.0.2.5 and then on to latest 1.0.4.2012:44
Kiranoseverything went smooth12:45
maxoratorany specific reason or just because it's less powerful?12:45
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maxoratorsince Qt pretty much just uses whatever underlying display server that is installed, it's possible that other gui frameworks could work?12:56
maxoratornot that I want to avoid Qt, I'm just trying to get a sense of the bounds12:57
fluxwell, there is Wayland below Qt12:57
fluxso yes, I can see you could probably use any toolkit that works with it, assuming they agree on the protocol version12:57
fluxof course, making it fit in with the rest of the Sailfish apps might be a big task, but not perhaps relevant for games12:58
fluxSailfish does come with SDL, but I don't know if it actually works or is it left in by mistake..12:58
flux(sailfish used to use X, so SDL could be remaining from those times)12:59
sharpneliIt works13:01
sharpneliIt's just tad old13:01
sharpneliConsidering SDL nowadays supports iOS and Android too it would be a mistake to remove it.13:02
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maxoratorGTK+ apparently supports wayland, would it work if I compiled it myself?13:04
Nicd-dunno why you would want to use GTK+ instead of Qt though13:05
maxoratortbh I haven't used either much13:06
Stskeepsthis is a post-X11 system, so it's very fun to work with13:06
Stskeeps:P13:06
maxoratorand most of the stuff I write these days is network stuff or libs13:06
maxoratorand generally I like to mess with less mainstream stuff :p13:07
maxoratorif I'd make an actual app I'd probably use whatever works best though13:07
maxoratorbut experimenting is always fun13:07
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maxoratorwhat's the filesystem on sailfish like? like on an ordinary linux distro?13:20
ggabrielmaxorator: btrfs13:20
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maxoratorah I meant the actual directory structure, not the file system itself13:20
ggabrielit's a mess thanks to qualcomm13:21
ggabriel~20 partitions iirc13:21
ggabriel(assuming that's what you're looking for)13:21
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ggabrielotherwise the organisation within the root fs is pretty much standard linux13:21
maxoratordoes it store apps in some special place?13:22
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ggabrieldunno, i'd check harbour's faq to get some clues13:22
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ggabrielre application binaries, application data and so on13:22
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sharpneliBtw. Did you guys notice that unrealengine is practically free nowadays? https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/welcome-to-unreal-engine-4 I wonder how long until someone buys the cheapo license and makes a Jolla port for it :D13:23
maxoratorah, /usr/bin and /usr/share13:23
sharpneliI'm actually somewhat seriously considering buying the license just for lulz and try to get it run on Jolla and then commit the code back.13:24
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maxoratorI'm thinking of trying to compile some game servers on it once I get it13:27
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maxoratornot really what you'd use a phone for, but just seems like something I want to do :p13:28
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CoderCandyhuh, unreal are being clever13:28
ggabrielmaxorator: why wouldn't you use a phone for a game server? the nintendo ds's have been doing that since day 1 and it's too much fun13:28
CoderCandyAllowing indie developers to use the engine, and take a cut from the sales.13:29
CoderCandyLike Google and Apple does with their appstores.13:29
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maxoratorggabriel, well I suppose it'd be nice, having some people around and "hey, let me just start up the server on the local network and play a bit" :p13:29
ggabrielmaxorator: the use case would be slightly different13:30
ggabrielso, you wouldn't host something for 100s of players13:30
ggabrielbut surely when you play on a plane with 4-5 others, it makes sense that one device is the server13:30
ggabrielunless the game is designed in a distributed manner13:30
maxoratorI guess it makes sense yeah13:31
ggabrielyou also remove the requirement of being online, which is good for us consumers13:31
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maxoratorany way I can browse the default repository somewhere?13:34
maxoratorwant to see what default tools it has13:34
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ggabrielinteresting home made test: theregister.co.uk and amazon.co.uk load faster on sailfish's browser than chrome on android, and android runs on a dual core 1.7GHz14:01
ggabrielgo jolla :P14:01
ggabrielsadly, sailfish's browser is not seen as a mobile one in some cases (e.g., bbc.co.uk) so it will load faster on android14:02
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VDVsxggabriel, for me it opne mobile version, maybe you changed it at some point and it stores some cookies14:04
VDVsxopens*14:04
ggabrielVDVsx: could be14:04
jabiswell, that's only because of the user-agent14:04
ggabrieljabis: yup, which can be changed14:04
ggabrielbut i never bother14:04
ggabrieloften the desktop site gives you more options14:04
jabisye I tend to like my pages full too - besides webkit is really good in terms of scaling them, so just bloat of js and massive assets hinder the mobile UX14:05
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ggabrielVDVsx: yup, switched manually and now it defaults, thanks14:05
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Venemo_jI usually prefer the mobile versions of sites14:06
crazy_impbtw, was there a letter with stickers in the hq today? ;)14:06
pp_https://xkcd.com/869/14:06
ggabriellol14:07
ggabrielthere's an xkcd for almost anything14:07
ggabrielnationalrail.co.uk is particularly annoying with reminding you of their fantastic mobile application, while their mobile site is a lot better14:07
ggabrielcrazy_imp: not sure what you mean14:08
ggabrieli have jolla stickers fwiw14:08
VDVsxpp_, no joke that happens a lot, click a link, website asks: mobile or desktop, choose one: tdaaaa home page :D14:09
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crazy_impwe send a source code request and put some stickers in it14:10
crazy_impggabriel:14:10
ggabrieloh right14:11
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crazy_impbtw, using ssh on the jolla right now \o/14:13
Temein or out? :p14:13
crazy_impout14:13
oh8gnzit works fine for me14:14
ggabrielif you come from meego/maemo, it's kind of unsurprising ;-)14:14
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oh8gnzonly problem is that lack of real qwerty keyboard14:15
oh8gnztouch keyboards suck14:15
ggabrielyou mean physical keyboard14:15
oh8gnzyeah14:15
ggabrielyou mean virtual keyboards :)14:15
Temeyeah i need one that flips or slides out :(14:15
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ggabrielpreorders for that stopped14:15
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Temealthough the fingerterm keyboard is as good as they get in virtual ones14:15
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ggabrielit's quite acceptable14:16
ggabrielthe main argument for physical keyboards is that you can use the full screen for everything14:16
ggabrielso no need for big screens for the sake of it14:16
sharpneliAnd tactile feedback. You don't have to watch your fingers when you type14:16
ggabrielsince 50-40% of the time you have half of it occupied with a keyboard14:16
Temebtw fingerterm related question: if i backspace when there's nothing on the line my screen flashes bright white... like it's saying "don't do that please you stupid fuck there's nothing to erase"14:16
maxoratorwonder if mini bluetooth keyboards exist14:17
Temeis this intended? :o14:17
crazy_impggabriel: i had a n810 before14:17
ggabrielTeme: i guess :P14:17
maxoratorphone in one pocket, keyboard in the other :P14:17
Temeat least that notification gets noticed ._.14:17
ggabrielTeme: i'm sure that the blink doesn't mean exactly what you say though ;-)14:17
oh8gnzggabriel: with real keyboard it's faster to write14:18
oh8gnzmuch faster14:18
ggabrieloh8gnz: i'm not disputing that14:18
ggabrielit's just we don't have one14:18
Temewell from the intensity of it it seems like it's exactly that ;)14:18
ggabrielwell, we have the made in the bedroom one14:18
ggabrielbut only for shy of 100 brave users who ordered it14:18
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oh8gnzggabriel: hope that it comes someday14:19
ggabriel+114:19
ggabrielthere's a question in tjc for tha too14:19
oh8gnzbt keyboard is not good if it's not physically integrated to phone14:19
cvpuse someone here xmpp (ejabberd) and have open a groupe char room ?14:19
ggabrielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/389/keyboard-other-half/14:19
ggabrielonly 111 votes so far14:19
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oh8gnzwho wants carry phone in two pieces14:20
cvp112 now ;)14:20
ggabriel\o/14:20
maxoratoroh8gnz, do you type longer texts every time you pull out your phone?14:21
cvpneed help with groupe chat (xmpp)14:21
oh8gnzmaxorator: normally pretty much same length14:22
maxoratoralthough I guess the main problem is that you'd have to hold them separately :<14:22
oh8gnzmaxorator: yes, that's even bigger problem14:22
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cvphttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1417847#post141784714:54
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crazy_impTeme: in works too15:00
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Wntcvp: by "groupe chat" do you mean a group chat with multiple XMPP participants?15:05
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Wntdoes the Jolla's messaging application support group chats at all?15:06
ggabrielwell, there is nowhere to set up a conference server in the gui at least15:06
cvpi remember that one in forum tell my that he use groupe chat on jolla... but i forget it who told me15:06
mikma(not my video but currently happening with my jolla too) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-h8GKv8zk15:08
ggabrieli wonder what lipstick is doing15:11
ggabrielprobably worth checking journalctl as root15:11
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cvpspecial: you here ?15:14
flanagmikma: https://together.jolla.com/question/35041/strange-bug-on-jolla-screen/ "Among other problems I hit pixelation that is seen in 0:23 mark of your video. Have you checked what I found causing my problems. Could be tracked down to resource eating process." -> https://together.jolla.com/question/35079/10420-stability-problems-findings/15:14
flanagif you think you have the same problem, that fix might work15:16
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mikmaflanag: i can't see how those could actually be connected15:20
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flanagmikma: well, I haven't seen that problem myself so I don't know about it but I think it's at least worth a try (if you even have openrepos)15:22
mikmaflanag: nope, no openrepos installed15:23
flanagthat changes the situation then15:23
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flanagI see that you already did a factory reset, so it might be a hardware problem :/15:24
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maxoratorI wonder if there is some library/server that can do a lot of different messaging protocols/services and exposes one external API via which you can control them all15:28
maxoratorcould make an app that interfaces with that and offload all complex parts to some server then15:28
ggabriellike telepathy?15:29
maxoratorwill check if it's what I'm looking for15:31
ggabrielthat's what sailfish/meego uses15:32
ggabrieli'm not sure it's exactly what you say though15:32
ggabrielbut it's all kind of centralised15:32
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maxoratorwell, I'm thinking of offloading the central thing to some VPS15:33
ggabrielvps?15:33
ggabrieloh, you mean a server outside the phone15:33
ggabrielyuk15:33
maxoratorsomething like an irc bouncer, except for not just irc15:33
ggabrielwhy would I give all my passwords to somebody who I may not trust?15:33
ggabrielthere are millions of those15:33
ggabrielI happen to know somebody who used to work in one of those friendly servers15:34
ggabrieland he was a bit of a delinquent15:34
maxoratorI mean personal VPS15:34
ggabrielsounds overkill :)15:34
maxoratorthat's what I specialize in :p15:34
nahkissmaxorator: bitblee like stuff?15:34
nahkissexcept it connect all messaging protocols/services to irc15:35
maxoratoralthough I guess it's better than nothing15:35
maxoratorrunning a gazillion different messengers on desktop is okay, but on a phone it seems kind of weird15:36
ggabrielmaxorator: why?15:36
ggabrieladmitedly, it sucks a little bit of extra battery15:36
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ggabrielbut in sailfish/meego is very tidy15:36
ggabrielyou have one application to rule them all15:36
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maxoratorAPI-wise perhaps, still separate connections though15:37
ggabrielI agree with you in android/ios though15:37
ggabrielwell, that depends on the protocol, support for push etc etc15:37
maxoratorbut really it's kinda my own personal fetish, so I don't think what I'm trying to do should be something popular :p15:37
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ggabrielmaxorator: you mean something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk15:37
ggabriel;-)15:38
ggabriel"because I can" kind of thing15:38
maxoratorprecisely!15:38
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Intekulanhello computer15:39
intekula-hi jolla15:40
ggabrielwould you like to play chess, Intekulan?15:40
Intekulanthis is neat15:40
chriadamggabriel: nah, global thermonuclear war is more fun15:41
* chriadam showing his age15:41
Intekulanthe only way i wouldnt lose is not to play15:41
ggabrielchriadam: my thoughts exactly :)15:41
intekula-but only because I'm not very good15:41
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ggabrielIntekulan: i guess i was making a reference to an oldish film (war games)15:42
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intekula-I know15:42
intekula-I tried to spin the anser15:42
ggabrielok, so you're not that young either, cool ;)15:42
intekula-answer*15:42
intekula-ggabriel: I have the movie on my computer not on vhs ;)15:44
ggabriel:P15:44
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Wntmaxorator: check out bitlbee, it's a irc server that allows connecting to multiple different IM services15:47
cvpmaxdata15:49
goroboroWnt: I use it myself :D15:49
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minimecggabriel: So your password is 'Joshua'? I loved that movie15:59
ggabrielminimec: obviously that film is so old that password complexity didn't matter ;-)15:59
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goroboroif you type your password in irc it automatically substitutes it with asterisks16:00
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goroborosee like this: *********16:00
tbrnobody will know your password is hunter216:00
goroborodamn... how did you see that?16:01
minimecggabriel: Yeah, and only a (very young) Matthew Broderick was able to find it... ;)16:01
goroboromust be a new irc command... something like /revealpasswds16:01
ggabrielgoroboro: only you see it, the irc server is smart eonugh to show the password to you and ****** for the rest of us16:01
goroborooh wow16:01
ggabriel(there is actually a real conversation along these lines that happened in the past and is somewhere in the internet :P )16:02
goroboroindeed16:02
PeperJohnnyyeah it's in the top 100 of bash.org :D16:02
goroboroit is well logged... I think on bash.org16:02
goroborosnap16:02
ggabrielha!16:02
goroboroI love that site16:02
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TheBootroo_work\o.16:06
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TheBootroo_work.o.  -o-  <o>  \o/  HEYYYYY MACARENA !16:06
ggabrielrotfl16:07
TheBootroo_work.o.  -o. -o- <o-  <o> \o> \o/ HEYY MACARENA !16:07
TheBootroo_worknow you have it on the head for the rest of the day16:08
TheBootroo_workno no, don't thank me, it's free16:08
ggabriela nice application for the amoled other half to remind you how to dance it if you don't understand the lyrics16:09
ggabriels/amoled/oled/16:09
XenoPLthanks god it always reminds me of hardcore "cover" of that piece16:10
ggabrielif "hey macarena" isn't awesome, it's because you haven't drunk enough16:10
ggabrielnot that i'm encouraging drinking16:10
maxoratorhmm, since the app binaries are in /usr/bin, I can just as easily launch them from terminal?16:10
ggabrielmaxorator: ofc16:11
maxoratorso I can launch my apps in root!16:11
ggabrielnot recommended16:11
ggabrielbut you can16:11
ggabrielis this another of the things you do because you can? :)16:12
maxoratorkinda16:12
XenoPLburn the heretic :D launchng apps as root grrr16:12
ggabrielmaxorator: csd tool useful to launch from terminal16:12
maxoratorhmm, haven't really poked other apps in linux generally, do I need to be root to mess around with other process's memory?16:12
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maxoratorlike another app running under the same user16:12
ggabrielunsure16:13
ggabrielroot processes also segfault16:13
phaeronif you launch csd as root your audio will be muted until you reboot16:18
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phaeronactually anything that touches audio gets run as root will do that16:19
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Quutbr: lol. i didnt. i feel so fucking stupid now.. :D16:21
TweekHi guys16:22
tbrQuu: no worries, stuff happens. :->16:22
Quuhehe :)16:22
Quuthanks! :D16:22
tbrnp, yw16:22
Tweekjust now my sailfish crashed when I tried to open whatsapp from notification. my screen went black and after the led indicator blinked green a few times sailfish recovered16:25
Tweekall covers were gone, which happened before. But when I try to open any android app it gets stuck on loading... and closes the cover16:25
Tweekbasically the same as in https://together.jolla.com/question/31158/android-apps-stopped-working/16:26
tbrTweek: homescreen crash/restart16:26
tbrTweek: try restarting aliendalvik.service16:26
Tweeki tried a full reboot, uninstall and reinstall of dalvik, and app reinstall16:27
Tweeknone worked16:27
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Tweekwhat is the exact command to restart the service? ill try that as well16:29
netzviehsystemctl stop aliendalvik.service16:29
netzviehand then start instead of stop16:29
netzviehiirc16:29
Yanielor just systemctl restart aliendalvik.service16:30
netzviehor that :D16:30
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Tweekdoesnt make any difference16:31
Tweekapp still crasheson loading16:31
tbrmh, might need to reinstall android support then16:32
Tweeki already tried, didnt work16:33
tbranything in journal?16:33
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AL13N_workhmm, i got linked this: http://www.musl-libc.org/intro.html16:40
Tweekwhere can i find journal?16:40
AL13N_workseems interesting16:40
PnuuTweek: devel-su journalctl -fa16:40
AL13N_workStskeeps: tbr: maybe interesting for you guys: http://www.musl-libc.org/intro.html16:40
ggabrielanybody going here? http://www.mobilelinuxnews.com/2014/03/tech-meetup-london-uk-21th-march-jolla-tizen-ubuntu-firefoxos-meego/16:42
Tweekalien_bridge_se wifimodel::updateservicelist keeps popping up16:42
tbrTweek: pastebin.com the whole16:43
Tweekkk gimme a few mins to hook up to my computer16:44
Tweekcant copy from terminal16:44
ggabrielTweek: you can do > log and email or something16:45
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stephgggabriel, wasn't planning too but is sufficiently near to work16:48
ggabrieli'm wfh tomorrow, so it's a zone 3->1 trip, but considering16:48
ggabrielgotta ditch the gf though16:48
netzviehggabriel: why?16:51
Tweektbr: http://pastebin.com/X1hkGNL016:51
Tweekthe return sender is when i try to open an android app16:51
ggabrielnetzvieh: she isn't that geeky i guess16:51
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tbrTweek: doesn't look helpful16:52
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Tweektbr: thats all that the journal displayed16:53
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Tweekzorany other ideas how I can try to solve it? (Its Tweek, my nickname was taken already)16:59
Yanielyour old self is probably going to timeout soon then17:00
ggabrielnickserv is your friend17:00
TweekzorSorry, never used irc before ^_^17:01
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Tweekzorthere I go :D17:02
ggabrielhttp://blog.freenode.net/2007/03/nickserv-is-your-friend/17:02
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ggabrieluhm.... i think i'm suffering some meego tracker issues17:16
stephg_jhowso17:16
ggabrielsome entries disappear17:17
ggabrielbut i can find them through global search17:17
ggabrielanother incentive to get the caldav plugin working17:17
phaeronentries of what17:20
phaeronon what device17:20
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cybetteggabriel: gf weilcome! geeekiness is an advantage, not a requirement17:23
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ggabrielcybette: hehe17:26
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cybetteso yeah hope to see you guys there stephg, ggabriel17:30
cybetteand anyone else who happen to be in london tomorrow: http://www.mobilelinuxnews.com/2014/03/tech-meetup-london-uk-21th-march-jolla-tizen-ubuntu-firefoxos-meego/17:30
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CoinTweaknickserve is being a nuissance...17:31
CoinTweakwhen i try to register it says invalid command17:31
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stephgcybette, what time will you be in london, 7 is potentially relatively late17:35
* stephg is a social butterfly17:35
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cybettestephg: late? I thought it's early! wanted to give people enough time to get from work or perhaps even outside london to the venue17:39
stephghehe17:39
stephgno completely understand17:39
stephgjust wondering if you'll be around before17:39
cybettestephg: oh I'm already in London today, I can be there earlier if you want to meet up first and can't stay long17:39
fk_lxcybette: best greetings! <317:40
cybettefk_lx: thanks! <3 wanna come to london tomorrow? :D17:40
fk_lxcybette: hehe :-)17:41
fk_lxcybette: if it wasn't that far away17:41
stephgcool cybette17:41
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stephgno idea what I'm doing tomorrow but it probably doesn't extend to a late pass in the evening17:41
stephgalso I've never met anyone here in person, ever17:42
stephg:)17:42
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cybettestephg: then we have to change that :D17:42
stephgindeed17:42
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somethingelsedoes anyone else have issues using nickserv on their jolla?17:44
somethingelsei am using the irc client from jolla store17:45
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netzviehanyone here has a jabber.ccc.de account on jolla working?18:00
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BonoNLhello18:21
BonoNLjust trying to figure out irc18:22
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cybetteBonoNL: welcome :)18:23
BonoNLhi18:24
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QuuBonoNL: just remember, everyone in irc is dick and mean.18:30
Quuwith that in mind, you should get on with irc pretty good18:30
crazy_impuhm18:31
virtualdexpletive18:31
crazy_impcan i have an english locale with km instead of yards and stuff? :D18:32
* Trizt thought his phone had rebooted by itself, as it had the PIN code view, but all the apps were still running18:32
Triztcrazy_imp: you Canadian? ;)18:33
crazy_impTrizt: gnope18:34
crazy_impnope18:34
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BonoNLI'm not mean ;)18:36
Morpog_PCcrazy_imp, for maps?18:37
crazy_impyes18:37
Morpog_PCyou can change it in maps settings18:38
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BonoNLcybette:  hi Cybette. just figuring how to send messages to someone.18:39
Yanielthat one was public FYI18:39
Yanielie. visible to everyone on this channel18:40
crazy_impMorpog_PC: hm? i've got only "search" in the pully menu18:40
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Triztcrazy_imp: think there was a suggestion how to solve this in together18:40
cybetteBonoNL: try /query irc_nick18:40
crazy_impTrizt: https://together.jolla.com/question/836/nokia-here-unit-system-in-maps/18:41
crazy_impbut since Trizt said, it's configurable in the app, i would choose that way18:41
Triztdid I ?18:41
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crazy_imperr18:42
crazy_impMorpog_PC, sorry Trizt18:42
crazy_imp:)18:42
Triztsure it had been nice if you could configure it in the app18:42
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Morpog_PCi'm sure i saw it somewhere18:42
BonoNLthanks Cybette.18:42
Morpog_PCmaybe i dreamed it? lol18:43
crazy_imp:D18:43
coderusMorpog_PC: !18:43
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TriztNo, I can't find any settings which you can modify from a gui for Maps18:43
Triztand Maps stills shows that I'm 6Km away from my location18:44
coderusMorpog_PC: i need audio recorder cover icon :)18:44
coderusMorpog_PC: please :)18:44
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Triztanyone else than me who thinks the "home screen" is quite worthless?18:46
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cybettecrazy_imp: settings -> apps -> maps18:46
Morpog_PCcybette, yeah i saw it there, but now its disabled somehow18:46
Triztcybette: you have 1.0.5.12 ?18:46
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Morpog_PCcoderus, will have a look18:47
AL13Ni have for the first time mobile data now... and i didn't find where to edit the settings... i had to check with together18:48
cybetteTrizt: 1.0.4.2018:48
AL13Nlong press wasn't obvious18:48
crazy_impcybette: no "editable" settings there for me18:48
Morpog_PCcybette, must be a bug, i can remember i was able to go in there once18:48
Triztcybette: no config for Maps in my 1.0.4.2018:48
crazy_impmaybe because i've installed the apps before i ran the update?18:48
* tbr doesn't have it either and no updates in store18:49
cybettehmm18:49
Morpog_PCmaybe it vanishes after first reboot?18:49
* tbr uninstalls maps18:49
tbrnope18:50
Morpog_PCsame here, but I remember it was there18:51
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tbrrebooted, installed after reboot, nope. weird18:53
cybettemy maps was also installed before the update, and i've just rebooted today to change to a UK SIM. at least on this device i'm running the same release as you all18:53
cybetteweird indeed18:53
tbractually I just checked my second jolla. that one also has a 'grayed out' maps icon in apps settings18:54
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crazy_impthat's unfair ;)18:54
coderusthere are no maps settings in system and maps packages18:55
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BonoNLMaps are grey indeed, running 1.0.4.219:00
tbr.20 not .2 ;)19:01
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tbrunless you stole one of the display devices during MWC ;)19:01
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keithzgMine is greyed out too, in 1.0.4.20, although I never checked it in previous version.19:19
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Morpog_PCcoderus, if you want all other cover icons mirrored too, just tell it, then I commit them too19:21
coderusMorpog_PC: why mirored? :)19:22
Morpog_PCleft or right side of cover :D19:22
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Morpog_PCcoderus, do you plan to let people choose what actions are on cover? because with every version of mitakuuluu new actions are in there :D19:24
CvPis it possible to change Action if the app is already installad?19:26
CvPnerver see a app who can change the actions19:27
Sfiet_KonstantinCvP: you can, but you need to implement a UI for it19:29
Sfiet_Konstantinnot hard, not easy19:29
CvP:) k19:30
CvPspecial you here? :)19:32
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coderusMorpog_PC: sure19:54
coderusCvP: what is Action?19:55
CvPcover actions, see question from morpog_pc19:56
coderusits very easy :)19:56
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coderusCoverAction { iconSource: someObject.leftIcon; onClicked: someObject.leftCLicked() }19:57
coderusand same for right19:57
coderusand you can change cover actions in realtime :)19:58
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CvPgood to know :)19:59
CvPthx coderus20:00
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CvPwant the know to programming, but i cant :(20:00
crazy_impsomeone here in charge of the wikipedia app?20:02
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Accecrazy_imp: artema is the author20:03
crazy_imphe's not here, or?20:04
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Acceyes, doesn't seem to be20:04
Accecrazy_imp: you could try his twitter, @AgileArtem20:06
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crazy_impAcce: how to deal with feature requests?20:17
crazy_impput them into tjc?20:17
Accefor apps?20:17
crazy_impyes20:18
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Accebetter contact the author directly by email / via github / social media / commenting on the app in the Jolla store20:18
Accecommenting on the app doesn't give any notifications, so could take some time to notice.. tjc is not really for asking features in 3rd party apps20:19
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crazy_impok :)20:20
Accefor the wiki app: https://github.com/sailfishapps/Wikipedia20:21
Accethere's his email at the bottom20:21
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crazy_impthe app itself says https://github.com/amarchen/Wikipedia20:22
Accewell, it's the same app, he just put it in the sailfishapps github repo too, apparently :)20:23
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cvpwhat is the Cover Action onTriggered:  command to send to Raspberry pi the command "killall ambi-tv"  ? :)20:48
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Acceuhh.. do you have some c++ code that does it? or some software that does it from command line?20:50
cvpno i dont have nothin know about programming :D20:50
cvp*20:50
cvpg20:50
Accehmm, I would say, try first finding some way to trigger that killall command remotely20:51
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Acceafter you manage that, move on to wiring it up to the onTriggered20:51
Accemaybe there is some ssh library that allows you to send remote commands20:52
cvpok20:53
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cvphmm maybe "ssh pi:raspberry@192.167.xxx.xxx killall -9 ambi-tv"?20:58
cvp@Acce20:59
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Accehmm, can you try it?21:00
netzviehcvp: should work if you use cert based auth for nemo->raspi21:00
Accegreat, so set up the cert based authentication, cvp21:01
Accethen test the command from terminal21:01
Aardwin 7721:01
attahguys-- note the presence of password in the command21:01
* netzvieh gives Aard a /21:01
attahnot sure that is correct syntax though21:02
netzviehattah: hm? password21:02
attah"pi:raspberry"21:02
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Accehmm I never tried putting the password in the command, so didn't notice21:02
attahwindowsy ftp-in-ie-syntax21:03
stephgattah, that works?21:03
attahno21:03
stephgnever seen it before21:03
stephgthe uri://user:pass@host/ syntax21:03
attahwell my mac won't have it anyway21:03
attahthat works, yes21:03
netzviehah well :D yeah could work, but why not cert based auth? I think it'd be much better21:04
stephgI'd be very surprised if it works with ssh21:04
stephgand yes21:04
attahdefinitely better..21:04
stephgkeys or certs ftw21:04
stephginfinitely better21:04
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cvpno its not work21:05
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netzviehcvp: ssh-copy-id pi@192...21:07
netzviehfrom the jolla21:07
netzviehand after that try 'ssh pi@192... touch test'21:08
netzviehthat should work21:09
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netzviehif then killall doesn't work the pi user has not the permission to do that21:09
attah_router took a dive.. never happened before :S21:09
Accetoo much late night IRC, is my guess21:10
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attah_probably21:10
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netzviehand regarding kill -9: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1xvr25/linux_tip_dont_use_kill_9/ :)21:11
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cvplol21:15
cvpso back21:16
attah_much irc21:17
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stephgvery network21:19
stephgwow21:19
cvpif i do that over the terminal from jolla: ssh pi:raspberry@ip killall ambi.tv => i get the message, that i have to put the password... like raspberry .... after that i get the message: ambi-tv(2241): Operation not permitted ... and ambi-tv: no process found => but the process is still working :D21:19
attah_yeah.. the syntax user:pass seems to be incorrect21:20
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cvpssh-copy-id pi@192... for what is this ?21:21
Yanielcopying the public key over to the pi21:22
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cvp-usr-bin-ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No IĆ­dentities found21:24
cvp- = /21:24
Yanielyou haven't generated one21:24
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cvpok , but than is is better to find a another method :D21:26
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Yanielhm?21:29
Yanielgenerating a ssh key pair takes less than 5mins21:29
Yanielsee ssh-keygen21:30
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cvpYaniel: script kitty can do that https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobilwerx.scriptkitty.app&hl=de21:40
Yanielyes?21:40
cvpwithout any ssh key21:40
cvpbut dont want android21:40
Yanielumm21:41
Yanielif you tell it to copy a ssh key it obviously needs to generate said key first21:41
Yanielit might do that automatically if it hasn't already21:41
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cvpi try21:44
cvpwill see if ther create one21:44
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cvpnothing to see that he create one21:47
cvpand work nice21:47
cvpwith "sudo killall ambi-tv"21:47
Yanielcheck .ssh/authorized_keys on the target machine21:47
Yanielit should contain  a key from that app now21:47
Yaniel~/.ssh/authorized_keys21:48
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keithzgHrmm. I strongly dislike how Connman doesn't support ad-hoc wifi hotspots. It's a bit sad that every solution for Linux kinda sucks (at least NetworkManager seems to work these days, but it's horribly bloated to balance that out).21:59
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keithzgAlthough I suppose I could just call wpa_supplicant directly, probably.22:02
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cvpYaniel: cp: cannot stat `/home/pi/.ssh/id_rsa.pub': No such file or directory22:04
YanielI never mentioned that one22:04
cvpok its maybe to late to understand something forme22:05
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keithzgHmm, so connmanctl isn't part of the connman package in Mer, eh? So how might one get it on SailfishOS without compiling connman oneself, which sounds like a recipe for disaster upon the next update?22:13
AL13Nkeithzg: getting it included in mer (maybe as a subpackage)22:14
AL13Nthen alerting jolla people to incorporate it22:14
Yanielmer-tools maybe?22:15
AL13Nor then, maybe it's easier to use the DBUS22:15
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keithzgAh, there's a DBUS interface for connman, eh? That might be the simpler path to walk, I suppose.22:15
keithzgIn theory connmanctl is part of connman itself and is included, so the fact that the Mer package omits it seems deliberate.22:16
phaeronuse the scripts in the connman-test package22:17
lpotternot deliberate. connman itself does not install connmanctl22:18
keithzgphaeron: Aha, and then I see a bunch of useful scripts all plop down in /usr/lib/connman/test. Thanks!22:23
keithzglpotter: Fair enough, I had just read that connman has an official cli as of 1.7, and I guess I elaborated and assumed too much from that.22:24
AL13Nso have i earlier on22:25
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lpotterI do have a patch to make connmanctl into the package but am busy with other things22:25
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mfulzis there some unzip gui available?22:30
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cvpmfulz: i find  nothin about... but want too with open directory and zip it :)22:35
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keithzgmfulz: I've just been using unzip in the terminal, but https://github.com/karip/harbour-file-browser (ie. the unimaginatively-named "File Browser") has the ability to install RPMs and appears to do so in a way that'd probably be quickly amenable to reusing for unzipping instead with a simple patch. Or so I'd imagine.22:38
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keithzgHmm, yeah, that looks quite doable even for someone as c++ averse as I am, since the relevant parts seem to be in QML. But I've gotta run from work now, maybe that'll be my slacking project for Friday.22:46
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cvpgood night22:53
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BonoAnybody using Gpodder on Sailfish?22:57
mfulzkeithzg: yep unzip in terminal I know22:57
mfulzwould be great to have some gui with filetype reg. to use directly from out of the email program a.e.22:57
keithzgBono: I'm about to use it as I walk out the door! /me puts on headphones, turns off desktop monitor.22:59
Bonowhen registering device on site22:59
Bonowhich device id did you used?23:00
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Bonokeithzg23:00
Turskiwhat version is bash in repositories?23:01
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Turskiahaa, looks like my system left a bit messed up after that system upgrade + openrepos mess23:05
Turskii seem to have both bash 3.2.51 and bash 4.3 installed :P23:05
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Turskior something :S23:06
Turskizypper verify says Problem: cannot install both bash-1:4.3-0.armv7hl and bash-1:3.2.51-1.1.1.armv7hl23:07
Turskinot sure what i should do now...23:08
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Turskihow can i safely remove 4.3 and install the one from official repos?23:10
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Turskiit's pretty bad situation, package manager thinks there is two packages installed that provides same files (which are pretty essential)23:13
Turskiif i first try to remove 4.3 and then install 3.2, my device will probably be a brick23:13
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