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AL13Njunnuvi: did you get any results?02:44
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junnuviAL13N: yes, I already pm those for you03:23
junnuvi1053 packets transmitted. 1050 packets received. 0% packet loss. time 3520734ms03:24
junnuvino dups at all03:24
junnuvitest period was one hour as I had to leave wlan coverage after that03:24
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Venemo_jhm07:03
Stskeepsmorn Venemo_j07:03
Venemo_jfirst bug of the new update07:03
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Venemo_jif you leave the calendar app running through the night, it will forget to update which day is today07:04
Venemo_jmorning Stskeeps :)07:04
Stskeepsnice one07:04
Venemo_jStskeeps: how're you? :)07:04
Stskeepswaking up, getting my bearings, continuing07:05
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Stskeepsstudying android wear a bit07:07
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SiddeVenemo_j: mine is updated. Maybe it updates after some time07:09
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Venemo_jStskeeps: android wear?07:15
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Stskeepsyeah, you didn't see the announcement?07:16
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Venemo_jStskeeps: no, what announcement?07:18
Stskeepshttp://developer.android.com/wear/index.html07:18
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AL13Njunnuvi: thanks, maybe there is something wrong with my phone after all...07:20
Venemo_jStskeeps: I see07:21
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pp_Stskeeps: god, now the adnetworks will destroy your privacy by telling advertisers what you are wearing!07:30
junnuviAL13N: or problem on wlan?07:31
pp_"Now he's in his smart underwear, time for pr0n"07:32
Stskeepspp_: boom chicka wow wow07:32
AL13Njunnuvi: i have this on several networks07:32
jussihaha07:32
jussismart underwear - makes it look bigger on cue..... :P07:33
zuttosmart underwear - scratching on demand07:34
jussihaha07:34
Stskeepszutto: now that's something patentable07:34
jussiStskeeps: so jolla is investigating wearables now..07:35
* jussi runs off to tell the tabloids...07:35
jussi:P07:35
Pnuuand now also sctrachables07:35
zuttothey are?07:35
Stskeepsjussi: i'm this kind of person who looks into everything07:36
PnuuI should perhaps check some tutorials on writing..07:36
jussiStskeeps: :D07:36
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Venemo_jStskeeps: I think those wearable things are overrated08:02
Venemo_jStskeeps: maybe I'm old fashioned...08:03
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Venemo_jpower consumption is noticeably worse as of 1.0.409:08
fluxI noticed yesterday that my battery was at 10%, after upgrading to 1.0.409:09
fluxhungermeter indicated that it was consuming 1 watt09:09
fluxI was in a dark room and top indicated nothing09:09
fluxafter reboot it returned back to 009:09
flux(I said 'dark room' because normally it takes 0.7 watts in a dark lit environment)09:09
Venemo_jmhm09:10
Venemo_jfor me, sitting on IRC for 2 hours drained the battery by ~20%09:11
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zuttoVenemo_j: if you're connected trought ssh, it drains battery quite fast09:12
Venemo_jI use the IRC app09:12
zuttoah09:12
Venemo_jI use SSL, though09:13
Venemo_jbut the same app (same version of same app) consumed less on 1.0.309:13
Accehmm.. after the update, I've gotten frozen UI twice :/09:14
Accegreen led blinkin09:14
Acceall apps get closed09:14
Venemo_jhasn't happened to me09:15
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Accehow can I jump to the end of log with journalctl? the version on Jolla doesn't seem to support -e or -r flags09:18
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Acceglibc detected *** /usr/bin/lipstick: corrupted double-linked list: 0x0dc2a50 *** ? could this have something to do with the freezing09:21
Stskeepsyess09:21
Stskeepsthat's not supposed to happen09:21
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AcceStskeeps: already known bug?09:22
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Quui have had all apps closed couple time09:25
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StskeepsAcce: i'd like your journal badly09:26
Quu"captains log"09:26
Accewill do :P09:26
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Accejournalctl -qa is the command which spits out what you need, right?09:27
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Acceis there a way to use the journalctl --since and --until flags on Jolla?09:33
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locusfI'd use -b, since last boot09:38
Accelocusf: it doesn't seem to work, it only shows entries since 11:14 something09:39
Acceeven though I haven't rebooted09:39
Accefew minutes ago there were entries for before that time too09:40
locusfhmm09:40
Acceusing -n doesnt seem to help either09:40
Accethe logs are not persistent by default?09:47
Accewell, journalctl gives me only about last 30 minutes of logs.. so unfortunately the part where that lipstick error happened is gone..09:52
Stskeepsok, next time around09:53
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Acceyep09:53
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Venemo_jI just got an alarm that I didn't set up10:01
Venemo_jwtf10:01
Venemo_jits title was the name of a contact10:01
fluxbirthday?10:02
Venemo_jit might have been a birthday10:02
Venemo_jbut it had the alarm sound, not the calendar reminder sound10:02
locusfyeah I had those pop up too on in a while10:03
Venemo_jand it ringed, despite my jolla being in silent mode10:04
Venemo_j:(10:04
Venemo_jmy worst fear just came true10:04
Venemo_jI can no longer trust the jolla to stay quiet in a classroom10:04
Venemo_j:( :(10:04
Nicd-alarms ring even when on silent, yep10:04
Nicd-I noticed that in one class :D10:04
Nicd-but that was my fault10:04
Stskeepsthat sounds a bit weird if it's alarm sound10:04
Stskeepsfile a bug please10:05
phaeronVenemo_j: you made it silent from the volume buttons or from the "ringtone" volume in settings ?10:05
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Stskeepsor in pulley menu -> silence sounds?10:05
Venemo_jphaeron: I used the pulley menu on the lockscreen10:05
Quuyeah, calendar alarms are fucking horrible10:05
Quufacebook bday alarms yay.10:06
Venemo_jphaeron: alarms still go off with sound (which is OK), but calendar reminders shouldn't10:06
fluxpersonally I like to keep my cell silent at nights, but still expecting the alarms to wake me up :), though that invisible alarm seems like a bug.10:06
Venemo_jStskeeps: yes, I used the pulley10:06
goroboroQuu: 1 January... 700 birthday alarms10:06
Stskeepsworst hangover, ever10:06
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stephg\o/10:06
phaeronVenemo_j: ok that sounds like a bug yes10:07
goroboroStskeeps: lol10:07
ballockI thought the alarm sound on even when silenced is a feature :)10:08
Venemo_jballock: it is a feature10:08
Venemo_jballock: but birthday reminders should be silent10:08
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goroborounless its my mum's birthday... then that alarm had better ring out loud... or I am dead meat10:09
ballockI tend to agree with the both of you :D10:10
ballockthat's also why I (would) like different ringtones per callers10:11
goroborodefault should be to disable all birthday alarms... and then manually set an alarm on a birthday if you want a reminder10:11
Venemothe trouble is, you can't get rid of birthday reminders, even if you turn off the birthday calendar10:11
Venemohttps://together.jolla.com/question/29909/bug-jolla-reminds-you-of-birthdays-even-if-birthays-calendar-is-disabled/10:11
Venemothis, combined with the new bug:10:12
Venemohttps://together.jolla.com/question/34593/bug-birthday-reminders-in-104x/10:12
Venemomeans I can no longer trust the Jolla to remain silent in a classroom10:12
Venemothat is pretty horrific for me10:12
goroborostop going to class10:12
Venemogoroboro: sorry that is not funny10:12
goroboroVenemo: missing sense of humour much?10:13
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ballockdarn, I guess you need to quickly hack buteo to not alarm at all10:13
Nicd-Venemo: voted for both10:13
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Nicd-aren't birthdays all day events? when does the alarm fire?10:13
Nicd-the day before, midnight?10:13
intekula-hello, I just got my jolla, how hard do i have to pull to get the other half off? I've lift both bottom sides. I'm scared I might break something10:13
goroboroheh.... my gf's android phone goes ballistic at midnight10:14
goroboroalarms galore10:14
ggabrielintekula-: don't fear, just pull it10:14
goroborointekula-: quite hard... take it from the bottom left corner10:14
VenemoNicd-: randomly10:14
ggabrielif it breaks, it's a warranty issue10:14
Nicd-Venemo: ouch10:14
Temeintekula-: it fits quite snugly, but put your fingernail under the toh in the left hand corner and lift10:14
VenemoNicd-: sometimes a few days before the actual birthday, sometimes on the day, sometimes both10:15
Temebottom corner, that is10:15
goroboroyeah... I think it clips in a little too well10:15
VenemoNicd-: at least I haven't been able to find out any logical tendency in it10:15
intekula-It was stuck around the volume button, but I applied more and more pressure til it came off :)10:15
goroboroI suffer the same fear every time I take TOH off the back of my phone10:15
Temesince it seems to be able to take the stress so far, i think it's optimal10:15
* goroboro worries about long term wear and tear10:16
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ggabrielfwiw, a months old jolla other half fits a lot better on the phone after replacing it dozens of time than a brand new sony xperia sp10:17
Venemohere's the other one: https://together.jolla.com/question/34601/bug-birthday-reminders-are-inconsistent/10:17
ggabrielso go figure10:17
Venemointekula-: I was pretty afraid at the first few times, too10:18
Venemointekula-: I just learned to live with it10:19
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intekula-Venemo: it's probably a good thing, so that it won't come off by accident10:21
Venemo_jyeah10:23
Venemo_jit is10:23
intekula-oh god my old phone was too old. My SIM is too big :p10:25
ggabriellol10:25
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Temeintekula-: you can temporarily cut it to the right size10:26
Temewhile you're waiting for your operator to ship a micro-sim10:27
ggabrielyou don't simply temporarily cut anything10:27
Temehardi har har.. i meant temporarily while you get a real card :D10:28
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Temethen toss the old one10:28
intekula-Teme: I've already ordered a new sim, but not because I knew of this. But my old operator has gone out of business and is cancelling all services at the end of this month10:28
Temecool so you got that covered already10:28
Temeapply scissors and start enjoying your Jolla :P10:28
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suosaaskiintekula-: what if your sim was too small, would the new phone be too old then?10:31
intekula-suosaaski: only me being to happy with scissors then10:31
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ottulonencan anyone tell me what exactly do the new mitakuuluu cover actions do? I get the shutter icon, but the other side?10:35
ottulonencoderus ^?10:35
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w00to/ all10:41
minimecottulonen: Looks like you can toggle your availability between 'available', 'unavailable', 'available when app running'. It was mentioned on this channel...10:41
coderusottulonen: ^^10:42
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leinirfor those who like gaming and whatnot, The Bard's Tale is free app of the day on amazon today :)10:44
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ottulonencoderus: thanks, wasn't around when it was mentioned and couldn't find it on openrepos/tmo/jollausers10:44
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Venemo_jhey w00t :)10:45
Milo-https://together.jolla.com/question/34560/bug-alarm-sounds-only-once/ this is a critical issue :(10:46
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Milo-anyone have a workaround to that, which doesn't involve being able to wake up instantly when the alarm goes off..10:46
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Pnuuchange the alarm tone to a longer one :-P10:47
ln-two hours?10:47
Milo-Pnuu Alarm rings for 1 minute, then it gives up.10:48
Pnuuand that's not enough..?10:48
Milo-nope10:48
Pnuuright10:48
ln-it's not nearly enough10:48
ln-it's barely better than no alarm at all.10:48
Milo-deep sleep, might not be able to hear the sound the first time around10:49
Milo-which is why auto-snooze after that 1 minute is necessary10:49
JvD_this is critical since we have not seen Milo- at work before lunch10:51
JvD_at least for last two days10:51
zuttolol :P10:52
junnuvi:D10:52
zuttolate at work, blame the phone!10:53
Milo-:P10:53
AcceSomeone make an alarm app for the deep sleepers10:53
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Milo-JvD_ it's only critical because I have a car.10:53
zuttodoesnt android market have tons of them?10:53
Acceor wakeup TOH10:53
tbralarmclock-ToH, with one of those wind-up alarm clocks strapped to the back ;)10:54
coderusottulonen: i hate writing manuals :)10:54
JvD_with integrated tazer10:54
Milo-JvD_ hmm, not a bad idea.10:54
Pnuubucket-o-water-TOH10:55
zuttohmh10:55
zuttoanyone made sticky-TOH yet?10:55
zuttoone that sticks to everything? :P10:55
zuttolike tape10:55
Accezutto: nice, but putting it in your pocket would be problematic10:56
zuttowell, if they made such TOH, you wouldnt have to put it to your pocket ;o10:56
Mnsu_stick it outside your pocket then? :)10:56
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ln-obviously you wouldn't neet to put it *in* your pocket10:56
Stskeepszutto: spiderman-TOH10:57
Pnuuspiderpig-TOH10:57
zuttothats a good name for it Stskeeps :P10:57
kimmoliperäsmies-TOH10:58
Milo-kimmoli I'm afraid to ask what that would do 8)10:59
Pnuukimmoli: :-D10:59
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Pnuumade out of radioactive peasoup10:59
inzThe fart app was a success on iOS, so I guess a peräsmies-TOH would also be10:59
kimmolii made my alarm.clock.sound mp3 so annoying and cranked volume up in the mp3 too. i wake to that, i dont wake to jolla own whisper-sounds11:00
Accereal farts.. face the reality, iOS users!11:00
Milo-My main issue was that after 1.0.4.20, I couldn't select my id3-tagless audio file to be my alarm sound.11:02
Milo-but no, man does not simply wake up in 1 minute.11:02
Venemo_jgreat, jolla forgot my google calendar etirely11:02
PnuuMilo-: I do the waking-up during walking to bus stop :-D11:04
Milo-yeah, I don't have that kind of auto-pilot software.11:05
Quui have stupid sleeping habits11:05
Quuwhen my brain thinks its time to wake up, i wake up11:06
Quuand then i am hyperactive for 3 hours and the tiredness strikes again11:06
Milo-my brain heavily disagrees with the alarm clocks. as JvD_ once witnessed 8)11:06
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Venemo_jthe day view of the calendar app is broken too11:17
sardiniI just discover that the sdk don't update all file a second time. A file like script.js is not updated, even if I change something in it.11:17
Venemo_jI'm starting to think that yesterday's release date was too early11:17
sardinineed to change it manuelly by ssh on sdk11:17
sardinimanually11:18
stephgsardini how did you deploy?11:19
stephgVenemo_j, what's broke about it? looks alright to me? (but I don't have events in it beyond FB birthdays)11:19
sardinictrl+r  on qtcreator and test on emulator11:20
Nightmare__btw: if someone has an expired whatsapp account: delete account + login with symbian client, subscription is extended for free :)11:22
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stephgsardini, but which deploy method11:23
stephgcopy binaries, rpm deploy, what?11:23
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sardiniahh ok :) Deploy by copying binary... well spotted  stephg  :)11:24
stephg:)11:24
Nightmare__with deploy by coping binaries, i had the same problem with qml files, the were not updated, restart sdk solved it11:25
stephghave a tinker with that then, hope it solves it11:25
sardinithis was my contribution to the community ^^11:25
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zbenjaminis there a app already that shows me what app is draining the battery?12:32
ggabrielthere's powertop (CLI)12:32
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stephgzbenjamin in addition to that there's hungermeter12:35
stephg(which shows battery usage, but not per app)12:35
zbenjaminyeah i saw hungermeter, but i need to find what is draining my batter, only 6 hours since i disconnected it from the loader and i'm at 60% without doing anything with the phone12:36
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zbenjaminstephg: i think there should be a system deamon collecting some stats, like its done on android12:37
stephgzbenjamin, don't think the data gathering is in yet underneath12:37
stephgin any case, if something has run away12:37
stephgit'll be obvious with top(1) in a terminal anyway12:38
zbenjaminhow do i get powertop12:39
stephgit's in mer-tools I think12:39
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stephghttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 step 512:41
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Sail0r"Problem with the store"12:56
Sail0ris it already known?12:56
stephgSail0r, works for me12:58
Sail0rhm12:58
Sail0r"general communication problem" here12:58
stephgis your wireless laggy?12:59
Sail0rbut all other things are working12:59
Sail0rnope12:59
Sail0ranyway I just wait for a while ;)12:59
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stephgI've noticed that if my wireless is bad the store can seem to stop working when things like IM are fine13:01
flanagI got a sudden shutdown today with the new update.. can anyone explain me, how could removing the battery for 10 minutes help? what does it do? (hey, Stskeeps)13:03
Stskeepsflanag: think for a moment about your phone - it's off, but what listens to the power button?13:04
Stskeepsflanag: there's a chip handling power that's always on; and it has state of it's own13:04
Stskeeps10 minutes makes sure that we try to kill that as well as we can13:04
tbrand yes, a couple of seconds /should/ be enough, but want to be sure that there was no capacitor or other charge left anywhere or something in some memory cell?13:05
Stskeepsnod13:05
phdeswercorrect13:05
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flanagAh, thanks for the explanation. Stskeeps: The instructions in the release notes say that if taking the battery off for 10 minutes doesn't fix it, I should contact Care. Why is that? Is it because Jolla is adamant that all the issues regarding this are fixed and if one gets a reboot now, it's a completely different problem?13:07
Stskeepsflanag: because in case it's not what we fixed, it might be a different issue13:07
Stskeepsso we think it's best to go through the care13:07
flanagOk, understood. I'll try taking the battery off. Can you specify the fixes you made with 1.0.4.20 regarding this? It would help me understand what the problems were about. Did they have something to do with connection? Or something else?13:09
Stskeepsflanag: i'm the wrong person to ask about that, but there's a lot of rpm -q --changelog you can peek into13:09
KiranosStskeeps: about the thirdparty repo issue with this latest 4th update, has there been a bug reported about this to make this a non issue for upcoming releases?13:09
StskeepsKiranos: yes13:09
StskeepsKiranos: the tragedy of it was that 1.0.4 store client handles this13:10
Stskeepsso if it had happened first after 1.0.4..  no problem13:10
Kiranosoh ok so the update itself fixed the issue for the furute13:10
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Sailor967after update battery doesn't last anymore.. 9 hrs and 50 %13:10
KiranosI still havent touched third party repo because of how it might impact my phone13:11
Kiranosthough I really want that 2g/3g switcher13:11
Kiranos:)13:11
TMavica_anybody got a problem when receive msg in mitakuuluu?13:11
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flanagI wonder what all these battery problems are about.. Mine seems to be as good if not better than before.13:13
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Pnuua friend of mine complained also that after the update the battery drains much faster13:15
Stskeepswell, we factually update regularly now with synchronization etc13:15
Pnuuduring the night -40%13:15
flanagwell, even the syncing shouldn't cause that13:16
phdeswerhttps://together.jolla.com/question/34510/severely-increased-battery-drain-after-10420-update/13:16
Stskeepsnod13:16
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netzviehWell, I wanted to set a locking code yesterday, and it asked for my security code -> no idea what I set there. Will a factory reset clear that code?13:20
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Stskeepsnetzvieh: locking code == security code13:20
Stskeepsi presume13:20
Stskeepsif you haven't ever, ever set one, send your device to care13:21
netzviehStskeeps: well I haven't activated locking, so I have still full access to my device. But I think it asks for a security code when you first setup it? I just have no idea what I set there13:22
Stskeepsshouldn't do that when first setup, no13:22
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netzviehhmm strange. maybe I set it but just forgot it, but it sounds as if a factory reset should get rid of it13:24
Wntdoes factory reset ask for that code too?13:25
Stskeepsit does, i think , and no, it doesn't get rid of it, afaik13:25
inffy_it will ask you the code when try to reset it :)13:25
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netzviehhmpf. indeed it does.13:25
Stskeepsif you have never set it, it's something we'll fix in care -- there's always a risk some data bit got flipped in production process13:26
netzviehah it was the birthday of my brother :D13:33
Stskeepsokay, so you :P13:33
netzviehwell it could be a lot of bitflips :P13:33
Stskeepsor your brother13:33
Stskeeps:P13:33
netzviehwell he's eleven and only touched this phone under my supervision, so i'm afraid it's my fault13:34
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Venemo_jStskeeps: what happens if one forgets the lock code?13:45
StskeepsVenemo_j: care, probably13:46
Venemo_juh13:46
StskeepsVenemo_j: in practice, same goes for anybody stealing a locked jolla phone, it should be worthless for the one taking it..13:46
Venemo_jStskeeps: yep, that I agree with :)13:47
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netzviehStskeeps: will there be a direct update from stock to 1.0.4 since it's out of beta now?13:53
Stskeepsno, it will go <factory release> -> 1.0.2.5 -> 1.0.4.* afaik13:53
netzviehjep it does. just wondering why it does that13:54
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Stskeeps1.0.0.5's store client isn't very intelligent13:54
Stskeepsit's to ensure proper upgrade13:54
circ-user-rifdNHi there.13:54
circ-user-rifdNI've run into: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/13:55
circ-user-rifdNAfter solving it, I did a factory reset via telnet which succeded. I then tried to update to 1.0.2.5 but the update progress bar doesn't progress. Is pulling the battery a wise idea and starting with a new factory reset?13:55
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flanagHow long has the progress bar been stationary?13:57
circ-user-rifdNOh wait, it seems it just didn't update the indicator. It just rebooted.13:57
flanaggreat :)13:57
circ-user-rifdNTime solves all issues, like usual :P13:57
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circ-user-rifdNNow on to 1.0.4.2 :P13:57
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netzviehmine is still downloading *sigh* jolla needs more bandwidth :D14:08
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Venemoheyy14:09
Venemohttps://together.jolla.com/question/34695/bug-calendar-app-thinks-that-sequential-events-overlap/14:09
Venemoand here is a screenshot: http://venemo.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=9e9c5b0cd2652b99a37773eff280104a14:09
Venemoso the calendar app is - by my book - officially declared as broken14:10
circ-user-rifdNYes it looks broken. Outch.14:10
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circ-user-rifdNMay I ask, have you setup your whole cloud stuff on owncloud? Calendar, contacts, mail etc?14:11
pp_heh, my calendar was just really bloated (events 38* in the database and didn't show up :-) )14:11
Venemocirc-user-rifdN: unfortunately, Jolla can't sync calendar / contacts with owncloud (or it couldn't, last time I checked), so unfortunately no14:12
Venemopp_: please report that to together14:12
circ-user-rifdNNot even with Syncevolution?14:12
Venemocirc-user-rifdN: I never bothered to try14:12
Venemocirc-user-rifdN: I just use owncloud for sharing random files with random people14:12
circ-user-rifdNOh okay. I did,  but for Google stuff for a two way sync. I haven't own cloud setup, I'm not a friend of CLI stuff14:12
pp_already is https://together.jolla.com/question/33975/bug-google-calendar-not-showing-all-events/14:13
Venemocirc-user-rifdN: later on, maybe I will switch to it when the jolla can sync with it14:13
circ-user-rifdNYay, I'm random :D14:13
Venemopp_: voted14:13
circ-user-rifdNIf only owncloud did a proper interface and GUI For setup14:13
Venemocirc-user-rifdN: I'm not quite fond of owncloud, but I don't know any better alternatives which would be as easy to set up14:13
circ-user-rifdNSame here. I'm still with google, as I have to keep my 808, Jolla, N9 and N900 in sync14:14
circ-user-rifdNAnd at least Symbian lacks any chance for proper owncloud sync for now14:14
Venemoyeah14:15
Venemowell, checking out some open source groupware is on my todo list, but haven't gotten there yet14:15
Venemoso it seems the calendar app has seriously regressed since 1.0.314:16
WntRaim: do yoou have build instructions or binaries for the non-fuse exFAT driver available somewhere? They might help at least this guy: https://together.jolla.com/question/6130/reformatting-micro-sd-card-inside-phone-settings/#comment-3469614:18
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circ-user-rifdNThis one? https://github.com/raimue/exfat-nofuse14:21
Wntcirc-user-rifdN: yes, but looking for Jolla specific build instructions or binaries14:22
circ-user-rifdNsec14:23
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circ-user-rifdNhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1417470&postcount=4014:24
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circ-user-rifdNOh wait, that's the fuse ones... You want the nofuse ones...14:28
circ-user-rifdNNo idea14:28
minimecIs tere a way to edit the 'contacts' file/database, and if yes, where would I find that file?14:29
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roborominimec... its a sqlite db... hold on for the path14:36
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roborominimec... mmm hold on... I think I was thinking of commhistory.db14:38
roborobut I see its not in there14:38
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roboroI have seen this once before... can't remember where now14:39
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minimecroboro: What about this one? ./.local/share/csd/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/2af8d843b29fef8f72741425d854fe14.sqlite14:42
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roboroI don't have that... so probably not that one :)14:42
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minimecroboro: Definitely ... ;)14:43
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minimecroboro: Ok. Found that one here... .local/share/commhistory/commhistory.db14:47
minimecroboro: So you don't have that file?14:47
roboroyeah... that doesn't store contacts... just events14:47
roborosms etc14:47
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minimecok14:48
roborominimec: .local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite/contacts.db14:49
roboroI'd be careful mucking with it too much14:50
minimecroboro: I was just going to have a look in that privileged folder. THX14:50
araneaHi. Suddenly it isn't possible anymore in the "People" app on my Jolla to categorize the phone numbers of a contact (home/work/mobile). I'm not sure why. Could this have something to do with the OS update?14:51
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araneaOther changes I did in the meantime were the addition of an XMPP account and changing the SIM card.14:53
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minimecroboro: I just had a look @ a copy of that file. Wanted to know if I could add the Facebook account manually, but they are not in there...15:10
roborommm I don't really play around with facebook stuff... you should probably ask on #sailfishos15:12
minimecroboro: THX. I might consider that.15:12
Kiranosjust got my phone today, cant create an account for the phone, guess its because of the update?15:15
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Kiranosthe account you can either create or just sign on with is it the same account you buy the phone with?15:22
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minimecKiranos: I guess it is that one you have to use... https://account.jolla.com/15:30
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Kiranosminimec: thanks , and the yandex store, you have to visit its website to install the shop app?15:32
Nicd-Kiranos: no15:32
Nicd-Kiranos: install "android support" from the jolla store, it will install yandex store too15:33
minimecKiranos: Nope. The app comes preinstalled with the 'jolla android support'. You can create an account in the app itself.15:33
Kiranosok thanks15:34
Kiranosguess I'll have to wait for a few days to actually be able to create my account lol15:34
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Nicd-Kiranos: you use the same account that you bought the phone with15:35
KiranosNicd-: cant use it to login15:36
Kiranosnot here either https://account.jolla.com/15:36
Kiranosbut it works in the store15:36
Nicd-hmm15:37
Kiranoscant create an account with the email either, you use email as login name?15:39
Kiranosthis is stupid15:39
Nicd-there's a separate account name (it's not the email)15:39
Nicd-dunno what's going on with it15:39
Kiranoshm can it be the together account15:42
ggabrieltogether accepts the jolla account at least15:42
ggabrielso it's the same15:42
Kiranosah ok thansk15:42
ggabrielnot sure you need the email address tho15:42
ggabrielstore account != jolla account fwiw15:42
ggabrielconfusing? yes :)15:42
Kiranosvery confusing15:43
ggabrielso, you have at lesat 3 types of accounts with jolla:15:43
Kiranosnow lets see where I can change my together password :)15:43
ggabriel1. jolla15:43
ggabriel2. shop.jolla.com15:43
ggabriel3. zendesk15:44
ggabrieli'd change it via jolla.com15:44
ggabrieljolla.com; scroll down, jolla account15:44
Kiranosthere it is thanks15:44
ggabrielnp15:44
ggabrielbasically that account is a type of sso15:44
ggabrielthat's used with jolla15:45
ggabrielclearly the sailors couldn't implement it for their ecommerce store15:45
ggabriel(not that it's trivial to do anyway)15:45
ggabrieland zendesk is zendesk15:45
Kiranosggabriel: Nicd-thanks got in now!15:45
Kiranosseems like you cant create an account with email address as you name15:46
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ggabrielyeah, mine doesn't have that15:46
ggabrielmore privacy :P15:46
Nicd-I hate accounts where my email is the account name15:47
Nicd-what happens when I change my email?15:47
ggabrielNicd-: change email? what's that? gmail will always be there surely :)15:47
Kiranosits a by product from beeing used to android :P15:47
ggabrielon a serious note, most decent websites that take the email as your account name let you change it gracefully15:48
ggabrielwell, most of the ones i used anyway15:48
Nicd-ggabriel: I'm actually going to switch away from gmail soon15:48
Nicd-and it'll be a lot of work to change all my accounts15:48
ggabrielNicd-: hehe, i have a ton of email addresses15:48
ggabrieli switched everything from gmail to personal15:48
ggabrielsurprisingly, only in a few cases I had to create a new account15:48
Nicd-I'm going to ditch all google service15:49
Nicd-+s15:50
fluxwhat will you use for calendar then?15:50
Nicd-run OwnCloud and my own email server15:50
intekulanthe jolla image viewer lists all my album art as photos, I don't like that :(15:50
* ggabriel uses radicale - successful with the N9, works with iOS15:50
jussiNicd-: sounds nice.15:51
Nicd-also all storage will be encrypted15:51
* ggabriel wonders if owncloud is safe enough, given that's all php15:51
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ggabriel(altho one should be able to set up a proxy via ssh or something)15:52
Kiranoshow is updates handled, can I somehow look for a new update?15:53
Nicd-Kiranos: OS updates?15:54
Kiranosyes15:54
Nicd-Settings app -> System -> about product -> pull down15:54
PlntKiranos: you can trigger update check in settings under about product and pulley menu to check for updates15:54
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Kiranosthanks for all the help, installed android support app and it says installed ok but the menu where I see installed apps doesnt show a new android store app15:56
ggabrielyou should have yandex15:56
ggabrielbut i don't use android, so i'm gonna be clueless here ;)15:56
Kiranosits not there15:57
Nicd-Kiranos: what menu are you talking about?15:57
Nicd-in the store?15:57
KiranosNicd-: no by clock/settings etc15:57
Kiranosalso cant I import contact from sim?15:57
Nicd-Kiranos: where? the app grid or the home view?15:58
flanagKiranos: you can import contacts from sim15:58
KiranosNicd-: app grid15:58
flanagand on 1.0.4.20 it shows sim contacts by default in address book15:58
Kiranosflanag: oh nice15:59
Nicd-Kiranos: try rebooting15:59
Kiranoswill upgrade then, cant find where to import sorry for all questions15:59
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Nightmare__Kiranos, settings/apps/contacts -> import from sim15:59
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ggabrieltbr: do you mind if I add your pastebin in https://together.jolla.com/question/534/support-for-caldav-based-calendars-eg-google-calendar/ so that folks who want to play have instructions handy?16:00
KiranosNightmare__: thanks I was in the contacts from app grid, not the same options there when pulling down16:00
ggabrielgaa wc16:00
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tj______is there a way to specify which item's name will be used in the people app when linking two entries? i.e. i have facebook and google accounts defined with some real people having nick name as facebook name so autolink by name doesn't work so two entries exists in the people app. i'd like to link the entries for these people so that name is from the google account. but no matter which way i do it (link the fb account to google and vice versa), the ...16:26
tj______... result is that the nick name from fb account is then shown on the phone16:26
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inffytj______, seems that the answer is no16:32
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tj______inffy, meh :/ wouldn't mind doing some command line trickery to change the displayed name16:39
Kiranossaw my new had 1.0.5 OS version could explain a few things :) Nicd-: got the adroid app store after reboot16:39
Nicd-1.0.5?16:40
tj______maybe one needs to figure out how contacts work on sailfishos and mayhe find a workaround then16:40
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KiranosNicd-: might have been 1.0.0.5 got an upgrade now to 1.0.2.5 and hopfully incremental upadtes16:41
Kiranosto curent16:41
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inffy1.0.2.5 upgrades straight to 1.0.4.2016:42
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Kiranosnice then it will only be one more after this16:43
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netzviehtj______: you could rename them manually :P16:46
tmynttinAnyone else have current consumption issues after the update?16:49
tmynttinMy device seems to consume battery maybe 30% faster...16:49
inffynetzvieh, i don't think that helps16:49
clau2tmynttin: I had it yesterday16:49
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flanagthere has been some reports on that, my battery consumption is fine though16:49
clau2but today it looks better16:49
PeperJohnnytmynttin: it seems that it's draining faster than before16:50
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tmynttinclau2, did you switch off betweeb?16:50
clau2don't think so16:50
tmynttinok, well thx. i'll keep an eye on it :)16:51
Temetmynttin: i've got the issue pretty mild, maybe 10-20 percent units more during the day than before16:51
Temesome people #elsewhere have even reported sudden drops and overall increased consumption16:51
Temeso you're not alone16:52
tmynttinusing 'top' on terminal doesn't show up anything suspicious either16:52
clau2hmm, twice since the update I got new emails, led + sound notifications, but the event is not present in Events screen16:52
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Nicd-who is Sailor8122 Sailor9303 Sailor9998? :D always joins as triplicate16:55
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inffyNicd-, i quess just users who don't know how to configure theri IRC for Sailfish app? :)17:00
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kjokinieemail sync can cause some extra power consumption vs. previous release.. check your sync interval in settings - apps - email17:04
ggabrielwell, it looks like it's working most of the time now, maybe that's why :P17:04
kjokinieggabriel: exactly17:04
kjokinieit now works also when device is in standby, so that will cause some extra hit to standby time17:05
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flanagand the update put it on automatic with 30 minute interval, so if you had it on manual before, check that17:06
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kjokiniebut if anyone notices something weird in top or something, please report to together17:06
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Kiranosthose with battery draining, you enabled calendare syncing?17:19
Kiranoswith google calendar?17:19
TemeKiranos: did not change settings17:19
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Temedo not know if it was active before17:19
PeperJohnnynah no google account activated on jolla17:20
PeperJohnnymaybe the mail thing is enough as an explanation17:20
Temegoogle calendar not syncing17:20
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Temei've got gmail configured though17:20
sjtoikthe support is still partial17:20
Temesjtoik: for mail or cal?17:20
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sjtoikfor cal at least17:21
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sjtoikdidn't see anything about webdav in the release notes17:21
Tememail's been working flawlessly so far except for the occasional "account needs to be updated" or something17:21
Temewhich was mentioned in the changelog as a known bug17:22
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intekulanI'm trying to change some stuff in about:config, but here be dragons screen is just  shows me the upper right corner and i cant do anything18:01
flanagyou have to make the changes in user.js (/home/nemo/.mozilla/mozembed)18:03
intekulanokay18:03
flanag(and that file has to be created there)18:04
flanaghere's a little guide: http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file18:04
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Kiranosany keyboard that can display emoji icons?18:19
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coderusKiranos: emoji keyboard by Penguin in openrepos18:46
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Kiranosthanks does anyone know if there is an easy way to install .apk files from a file browser rather that terminal?18:52
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Kiranosfound a browser thanks18:53
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Nightmare__"file brwoser" an "filetug"18:57
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Sail0rstore down?19:00
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ggabrielnot for me19:01
Sail0rmy wlan is worse since the update :-/19:01
Stskeepsbluetooth on?19:01
Sail0rnope19:01
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Quumy wlan got bit more stable19:02
Sail0rhttp://nopaste.info/16b154df22.html19:03
Sail0rit's doing this every few seconds19:04
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StskeepsSail0r: what apps do you have open?19:05
Sail0rMessages, Email, Store, Gallery and Media19:05
Stskeepsok, open an android app, what's open in that one (the two squares over eachother)19:06
Sail0rah the app from a car rental company19:07
Sail0rin the window where it trys to find location19:07
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Stskeepstry to disable it, does your wifi improve?19:08
Sail0rdisabled it and looks like it's stable now19:08
Sail0ri try the store one moment19:08
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Stskeepsbecause gps may trigger a 3g data connection for SUPL19:08
Sail0rnow store works19:09
Sail0rthx :)19:09
Kiranosis it a known bug that only one android app is shown in multitask window?19:09
KiranosI run two but only one is shown19:09
Stskeepsit's .. complex19:09
Sail0rI should get rid of the android apps ;)19:09
Stskeepsnot a bug as such but design implication19:09
Kiranosok to much battery drain?19:10
Kiranoslike having quasseldroid and spotify on in multisask19:10
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Stskeepsclick the squares over eachother thing, the apps are running inside19:10
Stskeepsbut android multitasking doesn't allow two to render at same time19:10
flanagbut would it be possible to have "fake covers" to ease the app switching?19:11
Stskeepsflanag: probably19:11
ggabrielprobably too much effort to implement android like sailfish too imho19:11
Sail0rwhat can cause this problem? Fatal error: File './rpms/harbour-tasklist-0.9.5-1.armv7hl.rpm' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/SbJ/armv7hl/?credentials=store'19:12
Kiranoslike deleteing images and the five second "oh no I did not want to remove that" grace period :)19:12
elerouxcartonphilippe: PM pour la procédure de réanimation :)19:13
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ggabrieleleroux: fo shizzle19:13
ggabriel:P19:13
ggabrielSail0r: sounds... interesting...19:13
StskeepsSail0r: refresh19:14
Kiranosanyone know if there is a together feature request to have the official email client to add support for hours it wont fetch new emails?19:14
Kiranosor atleast stop notifies19:14
ggabrielKiranos: probably, search :)19:14
Kiranosdid and did not find :)19:14
Kiranosk-9 does this really well19:15
ggabrielKiranos: then open one... worst case scenario it'll get duplicated19:15
Kiranosyea I'll look alttile more and then open19:15
Sail0rit's very interesting Stskeeps19:16
Sail0rbecause there is a newer version in store19:16
Sail0rwhich my jolla did not show19:16
Sail0rand it wanted to download the 0.9.5 version19:16
Sail0rbut after the refresh19:16
Sail0rit installed 0.9.6.19:17
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Sail0rmaybe a problem with reporefreshing?19:17
StskeepsSail0r: well, bug -> together.*19:17
Sail0rMy teammate and my friend have the same problem19:17
elerouxggabriel: elegant :)19:18
StskeepsSail0r: store should be able to find the correct work naturally19:19
Stskeepser, app19:19
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Sail0rreported it to together19:22
Sail0rhttps://together.jolla.com/question/34843/apps-from-store-dont-update/19:22
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ggabrieloh no19:25
ggabrielmarc started talking about update5 already19:26
ggabrielbrace yourselves19:26
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Nicd-the complainers are coming?19:30
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Sail0rhttp://nopaste.info/e6d55f9c53.html is that bad or good? Or can be ignored20:07
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stephgSail0r, don't know the context of the question but looks harmless enough?20:12
Sail0rjust wanted to ask if this is something bad or only informational :)20:12
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stephgIM(uneducated)O ignore it :)20:13
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StskeepsSail0r: it means you have a wifi and ssh open likely20:13
Stskeeps:P20:13
Sail0r:P20:14
Sail0rwhat's qseecom?20:14
Sail0rcamera?20:14
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* stephg *sighs about everything in life being difficult*20:15
cvp:)20:15
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roboroI just released a TVHeadend client on openrepos... its all done in QML so far...20:21
roboroneeds a load of work... but if anyone has a TVHeadend server... give it a whirl20:22
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* roboro wishes that more python libs were packaged for sailfish20:28
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Acceoh no, red blinking now20:31
Accefroze during playing angry birds20:31
Accethis time I should have persistent logs..20:32
cvpits a anti nsa security... :p20:33
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Accethe backlight is off, but I can see the game screen if I look at it under light20:35
cvpmaybe a sensor bug ?20:38
cvpcan you play the game ?20:38
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Accenope, it's completely frozen20:39
Yanielred blinking == lipstick died afaik20:40
Accehope the logs are not frozen.. let's try ssh20:40
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Acceyep, looks like only the UI (ie lipstick) is weird, ssh worked20:41
YanielI've had it a couple of times20:41
Yanielred blinking and the screen going blank20:41
Acceyeah, but I thought they did something to it in last update20:41
Yanielthen after a while green blinking and shortly after that the screen came back on as if nothing happened20:42
Yanielall apps had crashed though20:42
AcceI've had green blinking too20:42
Acceand apps crashed, just like you say20:42
flanaghow full is your internal memory? https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/20:42
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Accecould very well be a memory problem; it's almost always full without having any or few apps running20:43
Accebut I thought it's because preloading20:43
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flanagwell, I mean the internal sd card20:44
flanagif you have a look at that ^20:44
Accenope, plenty of space in internal flash still20:45
Acce6.8 G used only20:45
flanagok, it shouldn't be that then20:45
Accehmm.. "mce[773]: modules/display.c: mdy_stm_step(): ui stop failed, retrying"20:47
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Accethat's probably what causes it, plus another mce error20:48
cvpis there a solution for adblocker on 10420 ?20:49
flanagI think someone just said that they needed a newer version(?)20:49
spiiroinAcce: the way it goes is: mce starts display off->on transition, it will be finalized when lipstick replies to "you can draw now" ipc. if the reply does not come -> led starts blinking, i.e. the mce side just notes lipstick is not reponding fast enough20:51
flanagcvp: ah, no, I probably was just imagining about that, look here: https://together.jolla.com/question/33931/adblock-doesnt-work-after-ohijarvi-update/20:51
Accespiiroin: so it's a known problem? can I restart lipstick from the shell without reboot?20:52
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spiiroinAcce: and when/if the lipstick replies, the the display turns on and led blinking ceases20:53
Eztranflanag: not sure you were imagining it, thought I saw that somewhere too.20:53
spiiroinAcce: yes, if running as nemo "systemctl --user restart lipstick.service", as root "systemctl-user restart lipstick.service"20:54
Accewell, I don't see anything in the journal until the mce informs that lipstick didn't reply20:54
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Accespiiroin: ok, thanks20:54
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flanagEztran: it's a relief that my memory seems to still work then :)20:54
spiiroinAcce: it is exactly that "mce[773]: modules/display.c: mdy_stm_step(): ui stop failed, retrying"20:54
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spiiroin... or similar "ui start failed"20:55
spiiroinstop failed -> red blinker; start failed -> green blinker20:55
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Accespiiroin: yes, and before that this: "mce[773]: modules/display.c: mdy_renderer_set_state_cb(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.20:55
AcceNoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the mes20:55
Accesage bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."20:56
Accehumm, lipstick.service doesn't want to restart..20:56
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Acceok, now it recovered20:56
cvpflanag: it works by me20:57
cvpor moment...20:57
spiirointhat is just more or less standard "something went wrong" from dbus; since lipstick is not autostartable -> timeout / lipstick died20:57
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Accespiiroin: ok, thanks for explanations20:59
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spiiroinAcce: btw, if you hit that again, check if lipstick is just stuck or consuming cpu21:00
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Acceok, by the time I checked it with top, lipstick was already dead I guess, since it didn't show up21:01
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cvpflanag: ok der dont load the chrome site /21:02
cvp:(21:02
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flanagcvp: what do you mean? what site?21:03
cvpchrome://adblockplus/content/ui/subscriptionSelection.xul21:03
Eztranmaybe it's been moved in the more recent version?21:05
flanagcould be21:05
cvpok about:config not work21:06
Kiranosggabriel: opened an issue now: https://together.jolla.com/question/34899/email-client-quiet-mode-no-notifications-between-set-hours/21:07
cvpis there no config file on the phone what we can edit ?21:07
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flanagabout:config has to be edited through user.js but I doubt that would help in this situation21:07
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Kiranoshm do I get a terminal without enabling developer mode?21:08
Kiranoscant find it21:08
Sequencedyou have to enable developer mode21:09
ottulonenit's not there21:09
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KiranosSequenced: ok thanks21:11
cvpflanag: who can i find it ?21:11
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flanagdon't know what happened there.. (disconnect), but cvp: /home/nemo/.mozilla/mozembed and you have to create the user.js yourself21:14
flanagbut I doubt it helps in this situation21:15
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cvpok :(21:17
sledgeswhat type scifi?21:24
sledgeswrong window :p21:24
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cvpflanag: what is if we configure all on PC version and push up to the phone ?21:28
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flanagyou mean install the adblock on desktop firefox and then move the profile? I'm not sure about that21:28
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intekulancvp: I tried to copy things from prefs.js from my desktop. Didnt work in user.js21:29
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intekulannamely private browsing21:30
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flanagI've successfully modified the viewport through user.js21:30
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flanagthe mozembed differs from desktop firefox though, so everything (probably private browsing for example) won't work21:32
ortylphi have just inserted new sim card and all android apps changed to German, how can I have sane language back?21:32
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attah^dat bug21:32
Quuhue21:32
Quuortylp: no can do, you need to learn german.21:33
flanaghaha21:33
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ortylpQuu: I know German, it is my third language, but I do not want to see it on any device!21:33
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attahAnd you double checked that the system language is unchanged? And changed it back and forth maybe?21:34
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ortylpit was the first thing I confirmed, the system language is EN_UK21:35
attahand have you changed it back and forth?21:36
ortylpI'm hist doing that... Jolla is rebooting21:36
cvpis it possible di mod the Email App, want put any files in  to attachment21:37
cvpdi = to21:38
ortylpjust changed to polish... Everything is in Polish now... it is even worse than German :(  but there is hope21:39
attah:)21:39
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Eztranthat's not what they mean by a 'polished UI', you know.21:39
attahyou guys crack me up21:40
ortylpit works!!! changed to English, reboot and everything got back to normal :)21:40
attahwell.. you got the symptoms to go away :) but that bug tho21:40
ortylpattah: is there a question/answer on Together about this?21:40
attahnope.. just handing out generic recommendations without anything to back them up ;)21:41
* attah is not even a sailor21:41
ortylpattah: OK, then I'll make bug entry on Together for this21:42
Eztransure I saw something about Android apps using the SIM language ages ago, but dunno if it landed on Together.21:42
attahortylp: great21:43
attahhttps://together.jolla.com/question/4536/why-are-all-my-android-apps-in-the-wrong-language/21:44
attahthere we go!21:45
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ortylpQuick poll: do you prefer your native language on electronic devices or you stay with English (if English is your native language, then... you are lucky)21:46
Quuyeah ok, thats what happens with android phones21:46
Quuit looks at operator/simcard and detects language21:46
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attahwell.. as long as it is what i set it to.. i'm happy.. but i'm thinking of reversing my decision to go with my native swedish... got my mac on english now.. had swedish before, and except for the decimal point, i don't care21:48
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Quutime formatting is mostly why i dont use android devices in finnish :p21:49
Quustupid 23.5021:50
netzviehso, where does sailfish save my account passwords?21:50
Quusends them to NSA and Stskeeps21:50
attahQuu: what's the issue? not using colon?21:50
netzviehSts.keeps: I need my passwords, the nsa won't give me there backup :(21:51
Quuattah: yes.21:51
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ortylpI cannot stand Polish/German on any electronic device... maybe I am simply too old. As I was in school there was no software available in Polish, everything was in English... and German, well it came after that.21:51
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Quuand well, some/most of the translations are too poorly made21:51
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Redge73quit21:56
Quu.. ok21:56
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ortylpThe worst thing that happened to translations was decision of Microsoft to translate commands/functions in Excel, and LibreOffice even copied that concept.  If you know how to navigate in English and everybody else has Polish or German then...21:57
Quuyeah, that happens.21:57
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Quuschool excel in finnish + english books21:57
ortylpthat had to be fun21:58
Quuvery21:58
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ortylpbut I assume you use English in Finland on dayly basis much more than it is/was in Poland21:58
Quuwell, i live in middle-finland so i dont need to speak english21:59
Quuand thats why i cant pronounce anything properly21:59
Quubut irc is good way to learn english21:59
alcedoAm I right that there's no possibility to scan QR codes with the camera or did I miss something?21:59
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Eztranalcedo: https://openrepos.net/content/yoktobit/qrscany22:00
attahalcedo: a ton of android apps only..22:00
attahwell.. not only..22:00
alcedothanks22:01
ortylpalcedo: https://together.jolla.com/question/2221/add-qr-code-reader-functionality-in-basic-apps-or-as-a-separate-app/22:01
ortylpso please vote and list alternatives in comments22:03
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alcedoEztran: Any reason why this isn't in the official store?22:04
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ortylpby everybody, I need to go to work tomorrow...22:05
Eztranno idea, ask the creator I guess.22:07
Teguyea I wonder that too. it's been out for a while already22:07
Teguso it's not about the harbour delah I guess22:07
Tegudelay*22:07
netzviehmaybe it uses things not allowed in the harbour jet22:09
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alcedoPerhaps the author didn't bother because he expects it to be integrated soon22:09
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alcedonetzvieh: that could be, IIRC the version of SailOTP with QR support is missing from Harbour for that exact reason...22:11
alcedowell, anyway, doesn' matter that much22:11
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alcedoDoes together.j.c use the same credentials as the Harbour, or are these separate account sets?22:14
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cybettealcedo: same credentials22:19
alcedothanks22:19
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alcedoaww, I choose a long, randomly generated password for that account because I thought I'd never need it again...22:22
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alcedowere on the phone are these account settings stored?22:23
alcedo*where, for sure22:24
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eye_a_uk_jolla )olla joh22:28
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eye_a_uk_I have a faulty jolla I have not heard back from jolla care22:31
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eye_a_uk_has any one here sent a jolla back got a reponse from jolla care22:34
netzviehalcedo: a part of the account infos is there: .config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db22:34
netzvieheye_a_uk_: have you written to care@jolla.com?22:35
eye_a_uk_yes22:35
netzviehless than a week ago?22:36
eye_a_uk_yes22:36
eye_a_uk_i am on my N9  for now22:36
netzviehwell then, you might have to wait a bit longer. I'm sure they won't forget you, they are probably still rather busy22:38
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eye_a_uk_true22:39
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alcedonetzvieh: Thanks for the pointer. There seems to be everything relevant in there -- everything but the passwords...22:48
netzviehyes :(22:48
netzviehI'm looking for them too :D22:48
netzviehbut they are probably in an encrypted database22:50
alcedo~/.vault/Accounts/ sounds promising, but there's nothing in there22:51
alcedoIs the source code of that part of the system available?22:51
alcedothat would be the easiest way to find it out...22:52
Raimalcedo: .vault is where the backup program stores its data22:53
alcedoahh, thanks22:53
alcedoI'm just beginning to learn more about the innards of this phone..m22:54
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netzvieh:)22:55
netzviehI don't think you'll be able to easily get your password from your phone22:56
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cvpUI are closed.... but source code open.... is it possible to edit the source so if we choose picture attachment , that we see and can choose all files like exe, apk, rpm, rar and more ?22:57
cvphttps://together.jolla.com/question/34717/open-source-the-email-client/22:57
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netzvieh(I want to insert credentials for an Account, but I'm afraid that I'll have to do that the official way ...)22:57
alcedowait.. Backups you said? But there's nothing inside .vault/Accounts, even though I already made a backup?!22:57
alcedoOh, I was wrong, there's a dot-directory inside23:01
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alcedonetzvieh: for what purpose?23:01
louisdkI really like my Jolla. However I wish I could add widgets to the notifications screen. Going to Settings every time I want to switch network settings is pretty annoying.23:05
alcedonetzvieh: What about .local/share/system/privileged/Keys?23:05
netzviehalcedo: trying to get native caldave sync going23:05
netzvieh*CalDav23:06
netzviehalcedo: well I think thats the id for the device, not a jolla acc23:07
netzviehbut I'm not sure23:07
sledgeslouisdk: every app cover is a widget. i'm sure someone will create a simple toggler app (sadly, only left and right gestures would toggle for now though)23:07
alcedohmm, the really need to work on this. The dir itself is only accessible by the "privileged" user, but the backups are freely accessible...23:08
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louisdksledges: Okay :)23:10
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louisdkAnother thing I would like is to be able to hack the "lock screen" where the clock is. I would like the clock to be on top, so I don't need to take the phone completely out of my case.23:18
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sledgeslouisdk: we need nokia n9 type of enthusiasts, who will want to tinker with QML inside lipstick homescreen binary ;))23:26
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louisdksledges: Well to this stage, I'm pretty impressed about Jolla and I look forward to the future.23:28
sledgeslouisdk: future it is :)23:29
netzviehso is it possible to tell the jabber client to accept untrusted certs?23:29
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