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stephghm been having some very strange behaviour yesterday and today07:32
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stephgand I *think* they're fs related07:34
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Stskeepsmm?07:34
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stephgstill investigating, give me 5 but the email client can't open one of the DBs, the store has some critical error and thinks I have no apps installed and it can't see any wifi07:35
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stephgdid it yesterday and a reboot it's all working07:36
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stephg(but broke itself overnight07:36
stephg)07:36
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stephgtweetian also can't open its' db07:37
Stskeepssounds like the btrfs issue07:37
stephgthat's what my women's intuition was telling me ;)07:37
stephgonly 'bad' thing that's happened recently is I got near to full (92%)07:37
chriadamstephg: what does ls -al ~/.qmf/ say?07:38
stephgoh they're all there:07:38
stephg[nemo@localhost ~]$  ls -al ~/.qmf/07:38
stephgtotal 007:38
stephgdrwx------ 1 nemo privileged     30 2013-12-17 09:37 .07:38
stephgdrwxr-x--- 1 nemo nemo          626 2014-03-02 16:36 ..07:38
stephgdrwxr-xr-x 1 nemo privileged     94 2014-03-24 07:23 database07:38
MerbotNemo bug 626 in .Other "usb-moded start arguments need to be adjustable" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62607:38
stephgdrwxr-xr-x 1 nemo privileged 857090 2014-03-24 04:35 mail07:38
stephgdrwxr-xr-x 1 nemo privileged 771120 2014-03-24 06:53 tmp07:38
* stephg gives Merbot a biscuit07:38
chriadamwhat does ls -al ~ | grep qmf say?07:39
chriadamhopefully it's nemo.privileged too, not privileged.privileged07:39
stephgno, nemo:privileged07:39
chriadamphew.07:39
stephg070007:39
chriadamuh07:39
chriadamwell, ok, shouldn't matter, I guess.07:40
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chriadamsounds like btrfs indeed.07:40
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stephglet me get an sd card, get it in there and get journalctl going there and reboot07:41
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stephgit was fine after the reboot but if/when it breaks again will see if it logs anything07:41
stephg(unless anyone has any strings to look for in journalctl now)07:42
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stephgaaah07:43
stephg[nemo@localhost Pictures]$ pwd07:43
stephg/home/nemo/Pictures07:43
stephg[nemo@localhost Pictures]$ touch foo07:43
stephgtouch: cannot touch `foo': No space left on device07:43
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stephgwe'll that'll be it :)07:43
jussithatll do it07:43
chriadamyup, btrfs.07:43
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* stephg runs off to tjc where people have fixes iirc07:44
chriadamdo a quick devel-su -c rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Images/Facebook and then devel-su -c rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/avatars and you should have a bit more space.07:45
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chriadambut then, sadly, you'll need to do a btrfs rebalance07:45
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stephgcool ok, have only done 1 factory reset in it's life so that shouldn't be it, probably just full of media07:46
stephgja07:46
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Nicd-stephg: I just had that too07:51
Nicd-stephg: when you get some space you can do 'btrfs fi balance /home'07:51
Nicd-it'll free up btrfs space07:52
stephggoing to move all of my media to SD card since the u4 fixes for mtp and mountpoints etc.07:52
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* Morpog_Jolla wonders if we get update5 end of march or mid april :)08:35
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FryeOk, eat this. I was hiking in Abisko last week. I thought of getting a dummy phone with me that would have enough battery for whole week.08:36
FryeInstead I took my Jolla out there and spare travel charger.08:36
FryeI had my Jolla on whole week, in the winter.08:36
Stskeeps1.0.3.* or 1.0.4.*08:37
Stskeeps?08:37
FryeAlthough on flight mode while I was out of rach of cellular network.08:37
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stephgFrye, it's tasty ;)08:37
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FryeMy friend had Lumia, and it died after first night eventhough it was completely turned off for the night.08:38
FryeI do have some nice pictures taken with my Jolla even from the last day ;-)08:39
Jope_:-)08:39
Jope_nic08:39
Jope_e08:39
Naranekthe first night is the hardest08:39
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FryeI slept 4 there in total08:39
Frye2 in tent08:39
Fryefirst night in tent was -27C08:39
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Nicd-my Lumia 900 died every night whether I used it or not, it was terrible08:40
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StskeepsFrye: out of curiousity, device was kept warm, or cold08:40
FryeSecond night in tent was much warmer. About 10C, but the wind was 21+m/s :-)08:40
FryeBut that has nothing to do with the batterly life...08:40
FryeStskeeps, as warm as I could08:40
Stskeepsk08:40
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FryeI do that with all electronics, Tehy just don't seem to like condenced water...08:42
FryeI also have little plastic bags that I use if I need to take cold device indoors. So it can warm up in sealed bag and not suck in all the moisture from the air.08:43
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Stskeepsbut good to know that we at least work in cold conditions/extreme conditions08:43
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FryeStskeeps, I should have some pictures for you guys from our cameraman, let's see ;-)08:43
FryeI'm waiting to see some drafts.08:44
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Nicd-show the pics taken with the jolla08:47
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FryeNicd-, I'll try to get some linked08:48
FryeAt work atm08:48
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FryeIs this visible for you guys?08:53
Fryehttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202804538850855&l=2dbefb4ece08:53
FryeThis is our tent after the storm: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202804533050710&l=7963fb45a908:54
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Pnuuturning into igloos08:55
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FryeYep08:55
FryeWhen the wind was at its worst we had to support the tent from inside.08:56
Fryebecause there was so much snow moving along that when the wind pressed the tent down the snow started to pile up.08:56
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FryeI heard there were train cars fallen off the track because of the storm too :-)08:57
FryeBut this I could not verify from anywhere before we left back to Finland.08:57
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FryeAnyway from now on I will have a smartphone with me while I hike as a security device. Jolla showed it can take that.08:58
FryeWell one of the security devices :-)08:59
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ggabrielo/09:03
ggabrielok, i'm still stuck with lipstick not starting09:06
ggabrielanybody knows what this means?09:06
ggabriellipstick[985]: Could not open egl display09:06
ggabriellipstick[985]: EGL error09:06
Stskeepsrpm -qa09:06
Stskeeps | grep mesa09:06
ggabrielmesa-llvmpipe-libglapi09:06
ggabrielmesa-llvmpipe-libglapi-9.2.5+git1-1.2.3.armv7hl09:07
Stskeepsany more?09:07
ggabrielnope09:07
ggabrieldo i need the egl one?09:07
Stskeepsrpm -qa | grep libhybris-sbj-libEGL09:07
ggabriellibhybris-sbj-libEGL-0.0.0.35-10.9.1.jolla.armv7hl09:07
Stskeepshmm09:07
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Stskeepsi don't know09:07
Stskeepswhat did you do?09:07
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ggabrielwell, playing with the buteo caldav plugin, at some point i needed to install libGLESv2 (mesa driver)09:08
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ggabrieland i think things went downhill from there...09:08
ggabrielzypper said there was a dependency problem, I chose to ignore and install anyway (w/o dependencies)09:08
ggabrielbut maybe that did something that it shouldn't have done09:08
Stskeepsyess09:10
Stskeepsfactory reset needed09:10
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ggabrielcool, thanks, not a problem btw, just wondering if it could be fixed09:10
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Eztranjust an OOI really, but I can't be the only one wondering why buteo would require messing with libGLES?09:13
Stskeepsperhaps a temporarily broken hw adaptation repo09:13
Eztranah, that would make more sense, I guess. Thanks.09:14
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ggabrielEztran: i also tried to compile on device :)09:14
ggabrielStskeeps: that was exactly what i thought09:14
ggabrieli have a backup of the very first version of the jolla, but recovering hand picked lib files is a pain :)09:15
ggabrieland all i need to backup is... nothing, well perhaps tidings's url's so that i don't have to type them again09:15
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sharpneliIsn't there a concept of "provides" or something like it in rpm packets?09:38
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sharpneliSo instead of having a dependency to mesa libEGL one could just say needs EGL and that's it, the actual lib providing it wouldn't matter.09:38
Stskeepswell, we dep on libEGL.so.109:39
Stskeepsit's just that sometimes, people install development packages on their device09:39
Stskeepsand all hell breaks loose09:39
ggabrielsharpneli: fwiw, i've been trying a very pre-alpha script09:39
ggabrieland it's clear that you shouldn't compile on device09:39
sharpneliOo nice. RP09:40
sharpneliDamn broken keyboard :p09:40
sharpneliRPM seems to have such a concept. Multiple different packages can provide a virtual package and then a single package can depend on that.09:41
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Venemo_jmorning09:53
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Stskeepsmorn Venemo_j09:53
Venemo_jhey Stskeeps :) I hope you had a great weekend09:54
Stskeepsit was thanks09:54
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Nicd-hehe, X is using 8 GB of memory on my work computer :P10:07
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Accewow10:08
leinirlet me guess - you're using top to measure that? ;)10:08
Accemultihead setup?10:08
ggabrielhow do you do such things? :P10:09
Nicd-leinir: htop. probably something else using a lot of X resources?10:09
Nicd-Acce: 3 displays10:09
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Venemo_jNicd-: srsly?10:09
Nicd-Venemo_j: yes10:12
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Venemo_jNicd-: wow10:13
w00tNicd-: install xrestop and take a look10:14
AL13N_workmostly for me Firefox takes a huge amount of memory and Virt-Manager10:14
AL13N_workwhen i kill firefox, some of the X resources always go down10:14
Nicd-w00t: yeah, compiz and gtk-window-decorator at the top10:19
Nicd-killing firefox (third on the list) didn't help much10:19
Acceare you sure it doesn't just have the X stuff preloaded?10:20
Nicd-Acce: well it's resident memory10:21
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Venemo_jkillall -9 -1 Xorg10:24
Venemo_jhm10:25
Venemo_jteacher at my current lesson manages to talk about electronics in the most boring way possible10:26
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zuttoNicd-: how do you manage to get X to use 8gigs?10:26
zuttomine uses less than 50mb with 2 24" monitors10:27
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Nicd-zutto: I have no idea10:27
ggabrielgnome? kde?10:27
Nicd-I'm just using programs regularly, no overt amount of windows10:28
Nicd-ggabriel: unity10:28
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ggabrielah, ubuntu10:28
zutto:|10:28
zuttoubuntu and the spyware10:28
zuttofun times10:28
Venemo_jfile a bugreport about unity maybe10:33
Pnuuunity sucks10:33
Pnuufirst thing to get rid off10:33
Nicd-Pnuu: I will after this project10:33
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Nicd-tried Manjaro and Mint before going with the default Ubuntu because I had stuff to do :P10:35
Acceunity = unites your data to us!10:36
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zuttoNicd-: try opensuse10:36
zuttobeats ubuntu any day, has all kinds of fancy services and things to make your life fun10:36
sharpneliUntil you run into a yet another "Tested in Ubuntu X.Y" tool10:37
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zuttosharpneli: i have only found one software that was incompatible with opensuse.. it was fixed 2 hours after i noticed it and i didnt even tell anyone about it10:37
zuttofixed as in someone stabbed it to run on suse10:37
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Nicd-zutto: Arch would be my choice but I had to get something installed to actually get work done10:38
zuttoopensuse should be your next choice to try <P10:38
CvP_hi@all10:38
zuttoif you get tumbleweed, you'll basicly get what arch does10:38
sharpneliI use Ubuntu at work and Arch at home. CBA to do anything fancy for a dualbooted testing environment.10:39
Eztranusing Tumbleweed here, not perfect but hey, it's stable rolling.10:39
sharpneliIt takes basically 1 afternoon to install Arch and that's it. Then it generally just Works(tm), until it doesn't.10:39
zuttohttp://susestudio.com/ theres also this10:39
Venemo_jI just use Fedora with Gnome 310:39
svuorelahmm... the black other half is quite ... aggressive in its attached ambience.10:40
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CvP_svuorela... i love it :)10:41
chem|sto/10:41
CvP_\o10:42
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stephg10:42
Pnuustephg: russian rulette?10:43
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CvP_any new infos about Telegram on jolla or the sailchat app?10:45
chem|stsledges_: if you still need people volunteering, I have a galaxy tab2 7" (CM 10.1.x available)10:46
Venemo_jCvP_: what is the sailchat app?10:46
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sledges_sure chem|st , the more the merrier10:46
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Nicd-sledges_: I have a Galaxy Gio if you need really low-end devices10:48
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sledges_it's about what you need ;P10:52
sledges_scratch-your-itch principle, freedom to community10:52
Nicd-well, it's of no use right now so I'd love to have Sailfish on it10:54
Nicd-and I can just throw it away if it happens to break10:54
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stephgPnuu <o¬    ← teapot10:55
zuttolooks more like one that you would use to water your plants ;l10:56
jussihrm... I think I have been in finland too long...10:56
jussiIm starting to enjoy salmiakki!! o.O10:56
zuttobut salmiakki is good10:56
Pnuuit sure is10:56
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jussihehe10:57
zuttotry turkish peppers next jussi10:57
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jussizutto: Ive liked those for a long time10:57
zutto:P10:57
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jussizutto: the bag of "tutti fruitti" mix (green one that actually has salmiakki in it) as actually all disappearing, instead of the black ones waiting for my wife to nom them...10:59
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Nicd-so sledges, can you put my name on some tester list or do I have to wait till more popular devices are tested first?11:04
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sledgesNicd-: there's no wait needed, but i don't have your email11:05
sledgesneither chem|st's11:05
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ggabrielhard reset = power+volume up correct?11:33
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ggabrielmaybe not :)11:46
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stephgggabriel, thats recovery mode rather than hard reset?11:57
stephgisn't hard reset taking the battery out? :)11:57
PnuuI guess he's looking for factory reset :-)11:58
junnuvisledges: volunteers for what? Testing sailfish on non-jolla devices? If so count me in. I have Nexus711:59
sledgesnot testing, DIY porting12:00
pp_finns might find this interesting: http://kampanja3.dna.fi/dataprepaid/12:00
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junnuvisledges: ah, ok.12:01
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stephghmm my notifications is stuck in landscape12:03
stephg... even if I force the ux to portrait12:04
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Wntthanks pp_! Now I can get a working SIM-card for my old N9 as well :)12:06
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jussipp_: thanks very much!12:13
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Nicd-oooh, thanks pp_12:16
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Reilu-KakeJust a quick question, are you satisfied with Jolla battery life? It seems my Jolla drains battery quite quickly when im at work. Only with Mitakuuluu and Mediaplayer active.12:23
Jopeyour use case is quite heavy on power needs12:24
Reilu-KakeI have no Android support installed, so alien-dalvik is not the reason. I hoped that the latest update would have helped with my problem but no.12:24
Reilu-KakeI dont fiddle with my phone a lot when im at work, just listening to music. Not playing around and using it otherwise.12:25
StskeepsReilu-Kake: we've gotten some reports of added battery drainage after 1.0.4.20 update, we're looking into them12:26
StskeepsReilu-Kake: are you on wifi or 3g data there?12:26
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Reilu-Kake3G data, wifi disabled. And these problems were present even before the update.12:27
Stskeepsok12:27
Reilu-KakeI was thinking about doing a factory reset to see if that would help. But haven't had the time to do that yet.12:27
nahkisswhat do you consider as 'quickly draining' ?12:28
Kiranostest uninstall email/calendar app fro 24h and see if syncing is not the cause?12:28
Kiranosor has that been done perhaps12:28
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Reilu-KakeWell. 7am the battery is 100% and 15:30 the battery is about 20-30%12:28
KiranosI would remove the apps that has sync function to see if it is better after that12:29
Reilu-KakeI havent tried uninstalling email or calendar. Will try that.12:29
TemeReilu-Kake: i'm satisfied but after the 420 update i've seen a 10-20% drop compared to previous during a day of work12:29
nahkissI lost about ~15% today for using spotify(android) app for an hour with full volume.12:29
Temei've got now approx 55%-60% left when i hit home12:29
PnuuReilu-Kake: have you enabled wifi at all after the last boot?12:31
Pnuufor me that bug seems to trigger when I turn wifi on (3G is always on)12:31
kimmolii have exchange "always up to date", + communi IRC on, wifi/3g switching all the time, and usually after 9 hours day about 65% left12:32
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kimmoli(wifi 3g switching caused by our office wifi not working in elevator )12:32
Reilu-KakePnuu: I have enabled it yes. Im on wifi when I am at home.12:33
PnuuReilu-Kake: ok12:34
Pnuutry tomorrow to reboot after disabling wifi and see how the power consumption behaves12:34
Pnuuor today, even :-P12:34
Reilu-KakeOk, will try. :)12:35
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ggabrielstephg: yeah, was looking for factory reset, and it's volume down+power (asks for PIN, which is cool)12:39
PnuuPIN or security code?12:41
ggabrielsorry, security code12:41
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ggabrieli managed to close another question in tjc, so this factory reset wasn't for nothing ;-)12:46
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mornfallbrowser not responding is becoming a common sighting :\12:55
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Venemo_jStskeeps: my lipstick crashed again. I'm gonna send you the logs :)13:11
Stskeepsokiedokie13:11
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TurskiZypper experts awake? My system got crapped on Ohijärvi update because of openrepos bash, and now zypper thinks i have both bash 4.3 and 3.2.51 installed. How can I safely fix the situation?13:18
korzypper up doesn't fix it?13:19
TurskiNo update candidate for 'bash-1:4.3-0.armv7hl'. The highest available version is already installed.13:19
Eztranwasn't a version --dup supposed to solve it once you'd removed the repo?13:20
pp_hmn, I'd grab the old rpm and rpm -Uvh --oldpackage it13:20
TurskiEztran: upgrade went succesfully but i still have bash 4.313:20
pp_well, s/old/proper/13:20
Turskialso, zypper ve says: http://pastie.org/896406613:20
Turskiwouldn't want to deinstall bash 4.3 if it doesn't install 3.2.51 over it :)13:21
pp_so something like rpm -Uvh --oldpackage https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.0.4.20/jolla/armv7hl/core/armv7hl/bash-3.2.51-1.1.1.armv7hl.rpm13:21
Turskiwould sound like a brick13:21
pp_(or curl it first)13:22
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pp_or if zypper has a yum distro-sync equivalent, that too13:22
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Yanielsome upgrade-allow-downgrades?13:23
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pp_zypper dup13:23
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pp_according to some random wikipage13:23
pp_sync package versions to whatever the repos currently enabled have, even if they're older13:24
Turskipp_: zypper dup does nothing13:24
Turskii'll try with rpm13:24
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Turskihttp://pastie.org/896408113:28
Turskinot sure if force would be safe...13:28
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Turskii just want to crap my bash...13:29
Turskiprobably other who got problems on upgrade have this same situation13:30
pp_hmn, probably is13:31
pp_;)13:32
Turskiik, problem solved13:32
Turskiok*13:32
Turskizypper in --force bash13:32
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Turskinow it's at 3.2.51 and 4.3 is removed also from zypper's database13:33
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ottuloduh13:59
ottuloI just double-tapped on my agenda14:00
ottuloit didn't open14:00
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Turskiif you are being annoyed by bash printing notices about ignored environment variables, see the workaround over there: https://together.jolla.com/question/35284/how-do-i-get-rid-of-notice-env-value-ignored-during-shell-login/#post-id-3603414:21
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ggabrielthanks Turski :)14:25
ggabrielhow does jolla miss this stuff, i have no idea14:25
ggabrielandroid's terminal never... oh, wait, android hasn't got a terminal :P14:26
zuttoactually android does have terminal!14:26
Nicd-but then again, if it doesn't exist, it's impossible to have problems with it14:26
zuttoyou just need to use your computer to use it14:26
Turskiggabriel: it's not a bug, it's a valid notice14:26
merlin1991I once typed exit on an android terminal14:26
merlin1991that nukes it untill reboot14:27
ggabrielhaha14:27
ggabrielwell, i downloaded an emulator14:27
ggabrielnot too impressed14:27
ggabrieldoesn't come with ssh14:27
ggabrielfor that you need another "app"14:27
Turskiggabriel: but i think that terminal launching thing really is a bug14:27
Turski(invoker stuff)14:27
Nicd-ggabriel: actually, in an early android version everything you typed went into a shell... a root shell at that14:27
ggabrielTurski: yup, agree14:27
ggabrielNicd-:  i can only speak for latest version... ios was the same back in the day14:27
Nicd-ggabriel: so you had to be careful not to type \nreboot\n or anything similar in an SMS :P14:27
Turskiprobably should create some kind of bug report to nemo-mobile on that14:27
Turskibut i'm just too lazy14:28
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ggabrieleffort to raise a bug is probably equal to the effort of fixing it14:28
Turskii just hoped sailors would have picked it already and fixed it14:28
Turskiactually, i could just fix it and create pull request for a patch14:29
ggabrieli can understand why that's low priority tho14:29
ggabrielexactly14:29
Turski:)14:29
ggabrieli tried to git clone the mer code in the weekend14:29
ggabrielno luck :P14:29
Turskiwhat's the problem?14:30
ggabrielcouldn't find the git repository, or couldn't figure it out14:30
ggabrielmer says that you have to submit a pub key or something14:30
ggabrieljust got too lazy14:30
ggabrieland i found the snippet i wanted elsewhere anyway14:30
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ggabrielchallenge is... with very little documentation, sometimes you have to read code14:31
ggabrieland I don't think that that's currently easy14:31
ggabrielunless I missed something or mer's wiki missed something or both14:31
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Turskii just cloned nemomobile/mapplauncherd with no problems14:32
ggabrielnemo != mer I think14:32
ggabrielis mer in github?14:32
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Turskiggabriel: those are all on github14:32
ggabrielok, so I missed that, you see :)14:32
Turskihttps://github.com/Merproject14:32
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ggabrielthanks, will look there next14:33
Turskiumm...14:33
lbt_I spent much of the weekend working on mer infra - including our git servers14:33
Turskiprobably wrong repo14:33
lbt_we do use github14:33
lbt_but we'll migrate back to mer's git servers at some point14:33
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merlin1991ggabriel: sailfish is mer core + nemo middleware + silica ui14:33
Turskihttps://github.com/mer-packages ?14:33
merlin1991and nemo is mer + nemo middleware + nemo ui14:33
ggabrielmerlin1991: yeah, but the code bases should be separated14:33
merlin1991so the middleware code base you have to find in the nemo repos14:34
ggabriellbt: thanks... I noticed that infra is kind of wip anyway, no biggie, just litereally needed to see 2 cpp's14:34
lbtyeah - our existing git mechanism sucks though14:34
lbtyou can't browse it14:34
ggabriellbt: I noticed ;-)14:34
ggabrieltbh, I think I found what I wanted in a meego git repo :P14:35
lbtthe next one will be better but will (I think) lose all upstream git history :/14:35
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merlin1991I recently installed gitlab on the company git server to get some ui and merge/pull issue tracker stuff14:35
lbtyep - we use that14:35
lbtgit.merproject.org14:35
merlin1991I couldn't get it to run smooth14:36
merlin19912 developers a vm with 4 gigs of ram and 4 cpu cores, and the average page load still was in the 50 seconds range14:36
merlin1991any vodoo tricks to get that rbuy beast to run faster?14:37
merlin1991*ruby*14:37
Turskinow i just need to figure out how to build mapplauncherd, then i need to figure out how to test it without crapping my device14:37
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merlin1991but lbt how would you lose all upstream git history?14:39
lbtcommit a squash14:39
ggabrielget rid of ruby? :P14:39
lbtggabriel: !14:39
merlin1991ggabriel: the backend for gitlab is written in ruby :/14:39
ggabrielsorry, i was being unhelpful14:39
jussihehe14:39
ggabrielnot a big fan of ruby14:40
lbtcould be java...14:40
ggabrieli suppose the reason why you need this is to manage pull requests and so on14:40
ggabrielelse git comes with its own web UI, similar to that of hg last time I checked14:40
ggabrieljava would be a bit overkill for this purpose :)14:40
merlin1991I only ever touched ruby once, when deploying this and it already made me hate ruby14:41
Pnuusurely a kill14:41
lbtyes - PRs and prettier UI - vendors using mer want to have an in-house process14:41
ggabrielmerlin1991: I only know one person who loves ruby14:41
merlin1991is there any way to prebuild ruby gems on a staging server when deploying ruby applications?14:41
merlin1991I tried hard todo that, but in the end I gave up and installed gcc + dev packges on the server ...14:41
lbtruby is a really good language IMHO ... but the ruby dev community doesn't play well with others14:42
lbtmerlin1991: short answer, yes14:42
ggabrielmerlin1991: sounds like perl/python for complex modules14:42
merlin1991the worst bit was that the gems had dependencies on headers to build them but you have to know about those, or look at the build log like 20 times install another header package and wait another 10 mins14:43
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merlin1991lbt: is the long answer maybe documented somehwere?14:43
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ggabrielif it's anythign like perl, then it really depends on the gem14:43
ggabrielbut lbt seems to know a lot here ;-)14:43
lbtfor mer/suse I use an approach which I'm quite pleased with - I build using bundler and then package the bundle14:44
lbthttps://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=boss-bundle&project=home%3Albt%3Amermint14:44
lbthttps://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=boss-bundle.spec&package=boss-bundle&project=home%3Albt%3Amermint&rev=0fd867042be37ebc1bb1ad0e9dfda14d14:45
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lbtBuildRequires:  rubygem-bundler git gcc-c++ openssl-devel pkgconfig14:45
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merlin1991hm, your process assumes the system ruby is the right version, in my case (debian server) the system ruby was too old for gitlab ...14:48
lbtin that case there's a ruby isolation solution14:48
lbtuse that in the same way14:49
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lbttbh their approach does have benefits - you do deploy services as black boxes14:50
lbtand ruby gems are as fluid as He14:50
merlin1991I'll play around a bit more with gitlab, but the best bit was when I ran into a timeout creating a repository14:50
lbtI've found gitlab docs to be extremely reliable14:51
merlin1991I really wonder why it is so slow on my system14:51
lbtI use a dedicated VM though14:51
lbtmy git instance is 1 core VM with some RAM14:51
lbtgitlab14:51
lbtand it's quick14:51
merlin1991the vm I outlined above runs just gitlab and it's incredibly slow14:51
ggabrielmerlin1991: aws?14:52
merlin1991server @ office14:52
RaYmAnmake sure you have a new enough git installed as well - I've had issues before where having an old git resulted in any git operations being extremely slow14:52
ggabrielbad iostats perhaps?14:52
lbtanyhow ... images built ... testing ... o/14:52
merlin1991ggabriel: maybe but don't think so, the host this vm lives in basically has nothing todo14:53
merlin1991I'll play around with different versions of git, maybe that will help14:54
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ggabrielmerlin1991: while you are at it, just open a terminal and launch iostat -m /path/to/device 1014:56
ggabriela decent throughput for a server should be wall above 100MB/s14:56
ggabrielmy home NAS does ~200MB/s read and most writes on a RAID 1014:56
merlin1991I'll keep that in mind, can't test atm though14:57
ggabrieljust an idea tho14:57
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merlin1991atm I have to adjust merge sort for a university assignment :D14:57
ggabriel:)14:57
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Turskiissue opened for invoker problem :)14:57
ggabrielTurski: lol, are you feeling inspired today? :)14:58
Turskiggabriel: yeah14:59
Turskifirst issue on mapplauncherd for 4 months :P14:59
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Turskimaybe we will see a fix for this some day15:00
Turskididn't bother figuring out how to build and test invoker so i didn't create a patch15:01
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Kiranosheh my ubuntu reqognizes my jolla as a camera :P15:33
ggabrielthat's probably the mtp15:33
ggabrielso it thinks it's a camera because it can see pictures/videos15:33
Kiranosno files though when I browse15:33
ggabrielwell, there's a little gap then ;-)15:33
Kiranos[599413.719095] usb 1-1.1: Product: Sailfish15:34
Kiranos[599413.719099] usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: Jolla15:34
ggabrieli managed to get mtp working with gentoo... but then there's ssh... :P15:34
Kiranosyea I'll wait and see with the soon to be relased new ubuntu15:34
Kiranosand the new kernel15:34
ggabrielwell, mtp is userland15:35
ggabrielthat and some GUI things15:35
ggabrielnot sure it's kernel related15:35
CoderCandyWhat should I do if this update didn't fix reboot problems?15:36
ggabrielCoderCandy: take the battery for 10', if it still happens contact care@j.c15:36
Pnuuhave you tried to battery-out-for-10-minutes -trick after the update?15:36
CoderCandyYeah, I just did the battery thing.15:36
CoderCandyI hope it works now15:36
flanagwhy did you ask then?15:37
CoderCandyI did battery-out-but-not-for-10-whole-minutes out yesterday though15:37
CoderCandyBut it happened after that.15:37
flanagok15:37
flanagAfter I did the battery trick, I haven't seen a reboot.. I hope it stays that way15:38
CoderCandySo now I've had it out the full 10, but I'm unsure if it'll work though.15:38
flanaghow long did you have it out earlier? 1 minute? or just off and immediately back?15:38
CoderCandyLike 5-6 mins.15:39
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Kiranos   Vendor extension ID: 0x0000000615:39
Kiranos   Vendor extension description: microsoft.com:1.0; microsoft.com/WMPPD:11.0;15:39
Kiranos:D15:39
flanagCoderCandy: well, we will see if it helps now15:39
flanagI hope so15:39
CoderCandyYeah, me too.15:40
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Turskii haven't had reboots after upgrade, earlier i had those about every day15:44
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Turskiand i heard the battery-low -beep first time for few months :P15:45
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tobiskiwhere can i see reason for latest reboot15:53
ggabrieltobiski: /proc/cmdline gives you a hint15:53
tobiskilatest update said the reboots should stop but15:53
ggabrieltobiski: did you do the 10' battery out trick _after_ the update?15:53
ggabrielanother way is to set journald to write persist, don't know by heart how to do that15:54
ggabrielalso: define "reboot": do you see the jolla logo?15:54
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tobiskiggabriel: yesi did it15:56
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ggabrieltobiski: and you see the jolla logo in each reboot, yes?15:57
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tobiskiggabriel: yes16:00
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ggabrieltobiski: ok, sadly you have to write to care@j.c16:00
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Turskitobiski: tail /var/log/systemboot.log16:05
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chem|sttobiski: can you enter the recovery console via telnet? if yes try to recover your btrfs16:07
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ggabrieluhm... something weird's just happened16:53
ggabrieli'm running a freshly refreshed latest sailfish16:53
ggabrieland went to activate dev mode16:53
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ggabrielit asked me for a security code, but i haven't set any security code16:53
ggabrieli entered my previous security code and it went throug16:53
ggabriel+h16:53
ggabrielyeah, any other code fails16:54
ggabrielso not sure how it knows about the previous security code16:54
ggabrielmagic?16:54
phaeronggabriel: security code is not cleared with factory reset16:54
ggabrielso this is intended then16:54
Stskeepsyes, it's the 'be okay with loosing your phone in a bar'16:55
ggabrielcool16:55
ggabrieldouble locks are fine for me16:56
ggabrielok, i'll try to break my jolla again :P16:56
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Venemo_jStskeeps: I'm still not ok with losing it at all17:02
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tobiskichem|st: the phone booted up eventually on 20th something try17:19
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dwangoACI should know this, but because I don't have a device yet, I'm curious if the package management scheme is locked in one way or the other (only .deb? only .rpm?)17:30
dwangoACipkg? :)17:30
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Venemo_jdwangoAC: Sailfish OS uses the rpm package format17:31
dwangoACVenemo_j: Exclusively, or can .deb be substituted?17:31
dwangoAC(I'm a big fan of the .deb package format)17:31
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Venemo_jdwangoAC: it is not 'locked'; you can install any custom rpm17:31
Venemo_jdwangoAC: well, there is that deb to rpm hack I don't recall the name of17:32
dwangoACVenemo_j: Right, just curious if there is a movement to return to .deb / method to do so17:32
dwangoACAlien or whatever it was?  Or perhaps that's the other way around17:32
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Venemo_jbut generally, there is no reason for not using rpm17:32
tbrdwangoAC: I would not do that.17:32
dwangoACOther than dependency hell :)17:32
dwangoACI'll have to give it another shot17:33
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dwangoACMy last experiences with .rpm's left me hurting17:33
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dwangoACI'll keep an open mind and give it a fair chance.17:33
dwangoACNeed a phone first, which is a challenge here in the US. :)17:33
Venemo_jdwangoAC: in my experience, creating an rpm is a lot less of a headache17:33
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dwangoACVenemo_j: Creating it is less of a headache, using it is more of a headache in my experience.17:33
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phdeswerVenemo_j: Really!? rpm is packaging hell compared to deb.17:34
Venemo_jdwangoAC: beware, jolla doesn't support USA frequencies!17:34
dwangoACphdeswer: ++117:34
Venemo_jphdeswer: why?17:34
Venemo_jI never had any issues with it17:34
dwangoACVenemo_j: Understood, which is why I'm waiting for Stskeeps to get the Nexus 4 build17:34
dwangoACVenemo_j: I've had massive issues with dependancy problems when using .rpm's17:34
Venemo_jlike what?17:34
phdeswerIt's a pain to see what goes wrong when building a package, macros that are implemented in 1000's of differnent ways, ...17:35
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Venemo_jwell17:35
dwangoACVenemo_j: Like the lats time I used CentOS in 2011 I tried to install basic things like vim and it couldn't find even the most basic dependencies17:35
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Venemo_jmost of the problems I've seen people encounter in rpm arise from their.not reading the docs17:35
Venemo_jdwangoAC: because that isn't rpm's task17:36
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dwangoACVenemo_j: And that's fine, except I have yt to find a tool that works as well as apt-get17:36
dwangoAC*yet17:36
Venemo_jdwangoAC: think of rpm as the alternative of dpkg. dpkg doesn't download dependencies either17:36
dwangoACVenemo_j: What does Jolla use for managing dependencies of .rpm's?17:36
dwangoACVenemo_j: I'm familiar with Yum, didn't have a great deal of faith in it though17:37
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Venemo_jdwangoAC: for repository management, there are several tools: yum, zypper, and so on. Jolla uses PackageKit17:37
Venemo_jdwangoAC: so on the command line you have pkcon17:37
phdeswerWell the tools to install packages are different from making packages.17:37
dwangoACVenemo_j: So if I want to do the equivelant of apt-get install vim what would the command line be?17:37
phdeswerzypper install vim17:38
dwangoACVenemo_j: By the way, I *do* appreciate your assistance17:38
Venemo_jdwangoAC: pkcon install vim17:38
dwangoACVenemo_j: I don't want to sound too stand-offish just because of past experiences :)17:38
Venemo_jphdeswer: jolla doesn't have zypper17:38
Venemo_jdwangoAC: thank you for your open mind :)17:38
phdeswerVenemo_j: true. It is just that zypper is better than pkcon on the command line if you have root17:38
Venemo_jdwangoAC: generall, there are some very good docs on the web.17:39
dwangoACVenemo_j: And pkcon install vim will find all dependancies generally as reliably as an apt-get would?  If so, that'd solve my biggest hesitation of going to .rpm's17:39
phdeswerIt does not corrupt the libzypp cache as easily as packagekit for starters17:39
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dwangoACphdeswer: That... doesn't sound pleasant17:39
Pnuuvim? dependencies?17:39
dwangoACPnuu: Yeah, believe it or not :)17:39
dwangoACPnuu: Now, vi has nearly nothing17:39
Pnuuwhoa17:39
Venemo_jdwangoAC: the arch wiki has a page called pacman rosetta, and about creating rpms there are very good docs on the fedora wiki17:39
dwangoACPnuu: But Vim has a fair number, it's something like a 17 MB download17:39
Venemo_jphdeswer: don't scare dwangoAC17:40
phdeswerAnyway everybody has their own preferences and experiences.17:40
dwangoACVenemo_j: I'm far less interested in creating an .rpm and far more interested in installing them17:40
dwangoACVenemo_j: He's not scaring me17:40
dwangoACVenemo_j: He's providing anecdotal experience, which I take with the requisite grain of salt, and with no offense intended to phdeswer by that statement17:40
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dwangoACVenemo_j: I'll be interested in creating .RPM files for the platform once I get used to actually using it :)17:41
Venemo_jdwangoAC: sure, we can help with that too :)17:42
dwangoAC...also, I realize that I just unintentionally started a holy war (by mentinoning both .deb and vim in the same conversation), and I applaud the channel for staying civil17:42
dwangoACVenemo_j: For the record, I'm OK with 2G speeds for data if it means I can get a phone that will work in the US17:43
dwangoACVenemo_j: But it sounds like the better plan is to wait for Stskeeps to complete the Nexus 4 build17:43
netzviehVenemo_j: there is zypper in the jolla repo ?17:44
dwangoAC(I'm on T-Mobile here in the US)17:44
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Venemo_jnetzvieh: sorry, I don't know17:51
Venemo_jdwangoAC: yeah, or move to EU ;)17:51
netzviehdwangoAC: so basically that's your apt-get install vim with zypper: http://pastie.org/896492717:52
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netzviehVenemo_j: bc you said jolla doesn't have zypper ;) it has17:54
Stskeepsit has libzypp17:54
Stskeeps:P17:54
Venemo_jdwangoAC: about the 'holy war': I don't have anything against either package format. after all, they are both proven and working17:54
netzviehdwangoAC: zypper even has your apt-cache search :)17:54
Venemo_jnetzvieh: not by default17:54
dwangoACnetzvieh: I'll have to play around with that :)17:55
netzviehInformation for package zypper:17:55
netzviehRepository: jolla17:55
netzviehName: zypper17:55
netzviehVersion: 1.8.3-1.1.817:55
netzviehArch: armv7hl17:55
dwangoACStskeeps: Hey, the man himself - any status update on a timeframe for a Nexus 4 / Galay SIII build?  Still trying to decide which phone to get / how to get it / when to get it17:55
netzviehwith jolla being https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.4.20/jolla/armv7hl/17:55
Venemo_jdwangoAC: see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman_Rosetta for more details17:56
netzviehso yeah you have to install it but that's okay, isn't it?17:56
Venemo_jnetzvieh: it wasn't installed by default last time I checked17:56
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netzviehyep that's right, so we both were right and just meant different things17:57
StskeepsdwangoAC: nexus 4 will come first, then sgsiii; we've been trying out some release candidates today but ran into some difficulty17:58
dwangoACStskeeps: OK, Nexus 4 is actually easier for me17:58
dwangoACStskeeps: It just involves getting my wife upgraded to a different phone so I can take over her old one17:58
dwangoAC...which involves money17:59
dwangoACAnyone willing to sell me a Nexus 5 for Bitcoins? :)17:59
Venemo_jgoing to kettlebell course now, ttyl17:59
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netzviehdwangoAC: if you want to play with zypper now you can download openSUSE, they are using it too18:16
dwangoACnetzvieh: OK18:16
dwangoACnetzvieh: I can throw it in a VM18:16
netzviehyes18:16
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attahIs there any source of breakout boards for TOH-development? (and/or has anyone bothered making an eagle part)20:18
Jopekimmoli had a design for that20:20
Jopenot sure if the design was freely available, probably?20:20
Acceattah: https://github.com/kimmoli/devaamoMyhalf20:20
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Jopejust about to paste that20:21
Jope:-d20:21
Jopegoogled it up20:21
kimmolihaloo20:21
Jopehalojaa.20:21
kimmolii have eagle toh part ready, but license issues still open20:21
attahCool :)20:22
attahhmm, yes.. licensing is no fun20:23
Accekimmoli: you require a license from Jolla for sharing a part like that? but sharing a pcb design is ok? o.O20:23
kimmolipcb design is done before community license20:24
kimmolioriginal20:24
Yanielso do you need to think up *your* license or do you need one from Jolla?20:24
kimmolii just would like to be 'safe'20:24
kimmolias there is some limitations in community license about selling the product.20:25
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attahforgive me for being retarded.. but there are no pads showing up for the actual TOH connections.. or was that what you were talking about regarding the part?20:28
Accethe pads should be there, at least on the pcb20:29
kimmoliwhat you are looking at?20:29
attah.brd file20:30
attahall i see are position markers where the pads should be20:30
Accehave you the proper layers enabled?20:30
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attahno idea :)20:30
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kimmolienable more layers20:31
attahi have the default layers20:31
attahallright20:31
attah"enable all the layers"20:31
kimmolii have saved it with just few layers active20:31
kimmoliseemsso20:31
attahah.. there we go :)20:32
kimmolithat design has just single pads for each connection.20:32
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attahDo you sell, or should one oshpark by oneself.. or other option?20:40
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Acceother option: get 10 boards from iteadstudio.com and share them to your friends too20:43
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kimmoliattah: my stock is empty. ask tbr20:44
kimmolior JvD_20:44
kimmoli10 pcs from itead is about 11€20:44
kimmoli+ parts ofc20:45
attahthat's pretty reasonable :)20:45
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attahbut perhaps i should make my own with a microcontroller already attached.. decisions, decisions..20:47
kimmolii did like that devaamo thinner board, oshpark 1.6mm is little stiff20:47
Accehmm, probably more versatile to make one of these dev boards and wire it up to some mcu dev board?20:48
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kimmolidepends what you are reaching...20:49
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attahyes probably.. but still worth a little contemplation..20:50
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Accewell, if you are not short of money, you can get both I guess20:50
attahwell, ultimate goal would be a 'scope TOH - but that is more up to my colleague than me wether that will fly or not20:50
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attahWell... one of the upsides of being a single engineer, lol20:51
Acce:P20:51
kimmoli:) ... gabotronics20:51
attahhuh?20:52
attahoh..20:52
kimmolii would do scope-.toh on top of something like that, use USB (unfortunately) to transfer data, those apps are iirc based on Qt20:52
kimmoliif someone finlaises the usb-host support20:53
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attahyeah, that's one (good) possibility.. just settle on something existing and make a good app20:53
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attahbut if all sampling and triggering is done on TOH.. a detailed enough representation of the waveform should be no problem to pass over the i2c..20:55
kimmolithats true20:56
attahand performance might actually be better..20:56
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cvpspecial: you are online ?20:57
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kimmoliattah: have to have good i2c slave emulation on the mcu20:59
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kimmolimaybe just skip mcu and do it with fpga21:01
attahyeah.. but i bet we won't be the first.. some kind of memory emulation might even be enough21:01
attahi like the way you think21:01
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kimmolimachXO2 would be great for toh, it has hard-i2c and can be even configured over it21:07
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attah"#€%& I need a new computer :(21:08
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kimmolii want 10-12" touchscreen to my car, and sailfish on it ...21:14
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Accethat's nice for ambition :)21:14
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attahshouln't be that hard i think.. there are a lot of ppl putting in nexus 7s in their cars21:15
araneaHi. Is there any way to obtain a list of sent SMS?21:15
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Accehave you guys got any experience on how to get some documents about chips like this: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/CSR-Bluethooth-Module_1167411689.html21:19
Accethat page provides zero usefull information... I can only confirm it's the module in my bluetooth kb by looking at the image21:20
attahAcce.. i have a few almost like that.. what aspects are you looking for?21:20
attahmost of them look very similar21:20
kimmoli:)21:20
Acceyeah, but this has the components exactly in the same positions21:20
kimmolihttps://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM2073021:20
kimmoliyou need info of the board, or the soc there?21:20
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Accehmm.. chip info is also good, since it has info how it reads the keyboard matrix21:22
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Accebut pin layout for the module would be nice also..21:23
kimmolisometimes these have customized firmware inside. but not always. Broadcom is answering your calls only if you spend >$100k to their parts21:24
Accethe board has luckily test pads for rx and tx, so I can easily interface with the SoC via uart21:24
Accekimmoli: urgh :D21:24
AcceI was hoping to get the scanned keycodes out of the module and pass them to i2c via some mcu.. but since the logic is in the SoC, that might be out of question21:26
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Accemight be easier to implement the matrix reading by myself21:26
kimmolii had plans to toss the bt chip out, and replace it with some kbd-scanner-to-i2c21:26
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kimmolii.e. TCA8424 or what it was on the dirkvl kbd21:27
Acceso there are chips for that, good to know!21:27
Accehmm, but I need 8x20 scanning..21:28
crazy_imp160 keys?21:29
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kimmoliis this similar? http://product.wiki.gov.cn/2-4GHz-Serial-Port-Bluetooth-Module_1632989419.html21:31
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Accecrazy_imp: I'm not sure if it includes the fn+key and shift + key scanning too?21:32
crazy_impthat are modifiers21:33
kimmolitca8424 can handle up to 6 keys simultaneously21:33
crazy_impyou don't wire an "extra set" of keys for this21:33
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kimmoliAcce: http://product.wiki.gov.cn/userup/530/737/607/607737530_267.jpg this picture seems to be most usefull there21:37
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Accekimmoli: thanks, didn't notice it actually has the pinout written on the silk21:39
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Accehmm.. there's sda and scl..21:40
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Acceoh, it only works in master mode according to the bcm page21:43
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zbenjaminis there already a workaround for the batter issue_?21:49
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