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| chriadam | Mirv: regarding the power issue, we were able to reproduce and fix a bug where msyncd could get stuck when a network session dies, in some cases. this results in keepalive stopping the device from entering suspend... forever. | 05:39 |
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| chriadam | Mirv: things should improve remarkably in the next update ;-) | 05:39 |
| chriadam | in particular, the twitter and facebook sync plugins were susceptible to the bug. | 05:40 |
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| Mirv | chriadam: thanks, I'm looking forward to it! maybe the ISP 3G connection dies every now and then. as usual for my usage, I never have wifi on but everything happens over 3G. | 05:43 |
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| Kabouik_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, just want to thank you for the patchmanager. I have not installed it yet, but it's a giant's leap forward for improving the Sailfish experience. For a first release, the patches already available out of the box are among the most anticipated (with no true hopes) since December and the first Jolla deliveries. Cocorico. :') | 09:07 |
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| kimmoli | great that tethering works on jolla, now i can get priority seat https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dv-HvYHHrvA/UzwIBFGBRYI/AAAAAAAAQ-U/G8sdfH6lNhA/w1118-h838-no/WiFi.jpg | 09:59 |
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| stephg | heh | 10:02 |
| jussi | kimmoli: are you fat enough though ? :P | 10:02 |
| stephg | ooooo | 10:02 |
| * kimmoli fullfils specs | 10:02 | |
| jussi | the priority seat there is for fat people with internet sharing in their bellies :P | 10:03 |
| kimmoli | or swallowed a router | 10:03 |
| jussi | haha | 10:03 |
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| jussi | that on is pretty funny, thanks for sharing | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | oh you silly people. that is clearly a pregnant woman with an RSS feed | 10:04 |
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| Venemo_j | veskuh: ping | 11:12 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, hi | 11:12 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: I've found two interesting issues with tweetian | 11:13 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, yep, I heard about some | 11:13 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, https://github.com/veskuh/Tweetian/issues/144 | 11:14 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: yep, that's it | 11:14 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: I also have another thing: an API question | 11:15 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, ok, what do you want to know? | 11:15 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: do you have puzzlemaster installed? | 11:15 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, Not at the moment, I had it a while ago but have flashed since | 11:16 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: the issue is that the compositor is unaware that the app is landscape | 11:16 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: so the swipes work in portrait mode | 11:16 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: is there a way to fix this? | 11:17 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, There should be API for it. Just a sec. | 11:17 |
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| stephg | veskuh as you're here, ever seen an issue with Tweetian not remembering position? | 11:22 |
| stephg | I was just at the top of my feed, quit, launched again and now I have 194 unread tweets going back to 21 hours ago | 11:23 |
| Venemo_j | stephg: i have | 11:23 |
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| stephg | I may be using it wrong or have missed a setting or something | 11:24 |
| veskuh | stephg, there is a setting for remembering place in timeline. It has couple of bugs though. | 11:24 |
| veskuh | Issues we've seen are here: https://github.com/veskuh/Tweetian/issues?direction=desc&sort=updated&state=open | 11:24 |
| stephg | veskuh, yeah was browsing that and didn't see anything that sounded quite like what I see | 11:25 |
| fk_lx | veskuh: hello | 11:25 |
| * fk_lx sends greetings | 11:25 | |
| stephg | I'm not streaming and 'keep position after refreshing' is set, but this is on relaunch | 11:25 |
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| stephg | as soon as I can reliably reproduce I'll file the bug | 11:26 |
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| Venemo_j | veskuh: note that puzzlemaster is a nonsilica app | 11:31 |
| crazy_imp | someone here who is in charge / knows who the bug about the sourcecode requests? | 11:36 |
| crazy_imp | looks like ours didn't made it :/ | 11:36 |
| tbr | crazy_imp: you could poke Jope I guess. Not sure tho about mail RTT for fi←→de | 11:39 |
| tbr | so it's possible that it's on the way | 11:39 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtgui/qwindow.html#contentOrientation-prop tells the content orientation and should report it to compositor | 11:40 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, argh, not from qwindow though. you probably want the same from qquickview: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qquickview-members.html | 11:41 |
| crazy_imp | tbr: it's over two weeks ago iirc | 11:42 |
| tbr | crazy_imp: if you want to follow due process as requested by Stskeeps, you'd now send a second letter (just a letter), reminding them and setting a deadline. ;-) | 11:43 |
| crazy_imp | tbr: if i really need to do this, i would also send a 100 pieces pack of envelopes and a request for any future releases :D | 11:45 |
| tbr | :> | 11:45 |
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| jussi | crazy_imp: you know someone recently posted a link with all the source code there... | 11:49 |
| crazy_imp | jussi: official from jolla? if not, it doesn't count. | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | i think it happened a few times actually... the community made it available somehow | 11:51 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: thank you | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | for the lazy ones, or the ones who don't need the "official" version | 11:51 |
| jussi | crazy_imp: they said it was the stuff they got from Jolla: http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/ | 11:52 |
| jussi | crazy_imp: see: http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/readme.txt | 11:53 |
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| crazy_imp | if the community "leaks" the sources, jolla is not released from it's need to fulfill the request that _they_ give me the sources in the way they specified | 11:53 |
| crazy_imp | jussi: and i made the request before the iso was available | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | crazy_imp: that's right | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | but share the md5 just for fun when you do get it :P | 11:54 |
| crazy_imp | so, if Jope maybe got a letter with some stickers in it, took the stickers and send back dvds, everything will be fine :) | 11:56 |
| crazy_imp | btw, the package with the jollas inside was handled first by dhl before it ended in the hands of fedex - is that correct? | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | crazy_imp: yup, they use dhl warehouse services or something or other | 11:57 |
| crazy_imp | and it's cheaper to involve both instead of sticking with dhl? :D | 12:01 |
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| ggabriel | crazy_imp: good question... but knowing big companies, dealing with 2 different departments may be the same as dealing with 2 different companies altogether | 12:03 |
| crazy_imp | true | 12:03 |
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| ggabriel | ok, so i downloaded the iso | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | where is setup.exe? :) | 12:05 |
| crazy_imp | ggabriel: first you need Cr4cK.eXe too ;) | 12:07 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: if I set this contentOrientation property, will the compositor also rotate the conents of my window or do I still have to take care of that? | 12:08 |
| veskuh | Venemo_j, I think you still need to rotate the content | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | crazy_imp: somehow i have a lady showing her parts as my desktop background and i can't change it! | 12:09 |
| Venemo_j | veskuh: okay. thanks :) | 12:09 |
| veskuh | np | 12:09 |
| Teme | ggabriel: you might need to download more ram | 12:11 |
| ggabriel | Teme: i downloaded some hard disk, isn't that the same?! | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | ok, i'll stop playing silly now | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | nice to have the source tho | 12:12 |
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| Teme | ggabriel: hard disk works also because it has mega bytes and windows supports both | 12:13 |
| Teme | (i will also stop now) | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | btw, now having used the jolla as main phone for a few days, i can say that the battery life is pretty impressive | 12:14 |
| stephg | woop you made the switch | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | kinda | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | i'm still running "in parallel" | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | but the caldav client works, which i'm very happy about | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | the jolla is super fast too, in comparison, but hey... it is the n9 we're comparing to | 12:15 |
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| tbr | jussi: ggabriel: the md5sum was commented as 'correct' by a sailor, someone may or may not take that as sufficient. Regardless Jolla is legally obliged to respond to such requests. Also keep in mind that's what was _explicitly_ requested by Stskeeps. | 12:16 |
| tbr | so while I host the sources, that does not absolve anyone of anything, nor does it make me the proper source for those. | 12:16 |
| ggabriel | tbr: thanks for the iso then :) | 12:17 |
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| ggabriel | much obliged | 12:17 |
| tbr | np | 12:17 |
| tbr | service for the community | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | let's put it under standard stress tests | 12:17 |
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| ggabriel | 74 TODO's and 69 DEBUG's - not bad | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | (out of 5121 files) | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | going back to the battery topic, i think the led helps a lot with prevengint me from double tapping to check for emails/sms's and so on | 12:20 |
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| Teme | so my jolla just shut down (was using browser and it just died without any leds) and now won't turn on again from the power button | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | sure it's dead? | 12:43 |
| Teme | that's what i meant to ask, wasn't there a glitch where doubletap won't open it? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:43 |
| Teme | or power button tap | 12:43 |
| Teme | what do? ;__; | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | well power button shouuuld work | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | hold down power button and see if red led comes up | 12:44 |
| Teme | i mean before i take off the battery is there anything else | 12:44 |
| Teme | held for 10s, no led | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok, then take out battery | 12:44 |
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| Teme | now started okay | 12:45 |
| Teme | has done this a few times before but i've just torn out the battery instantly :D | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | hmm ok | 12:47 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, just closed a call and the "call again" buttons didn't appear | 13:31 |
| Nicd- | also, the call again feature has never worked for me | 13:31 |
| Nicd- | I've clicked it many times by accident since it's so close to the "end call" button :P luckily it hasn't actually done anything | 13:31 |
| flux | ooh, I discovered the gesture to move the cursor in the textfield without involving a selection | 13:39 |
| flux | which I asked earlier about, but apparently people didn't believe it exists ;-). | 13:40 |
| flux | so push down on the cursor for a while and drag down | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | I've triggered it a couple of times by accident | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | you don't have to drag down though, seems dragging in any direction works | 13:42 |
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| flux | it triggers selection or swipe too easily for me otherwise | 13:43 |
| flux | hmm, or maybe not | 13:43 |
| flux | selection is only triggered by holding it for even longer | 13:43 |
| flux | apparently it's more difficult to trigger at the first character | 13:44 |
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| Nicd- | trying to get the cursor to the beginning or end of a line is always the weak point in a touchscreen | 13:46 |
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| Nicd- | oooooh http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-373_en.htm | 14:02 |
| Nicd- | "European Parliament votes to end roaming charges" | 14:02 |
| Eztran | seconding that 'oooooh'. :) | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | \o/ | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | next up: data plan only valid in poland | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:04 |
| roboro | lol | 14:04 |
| Teme | :D | 14:04 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: lol, poland is not too bad anyway, isn't it? :) | 14:24 |
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| Kiranos | hi jolla's app documents is it opensource? is it possible to create a pull reqest with epub support? | 14:25 |
| tbr | Kiranos: so you have some working code for it already? | 14:28 |
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| Kiranos | nope, just wondered if it was doable :) | 14:28 |
| Kiranos | instead of creating new apps for it | 14:29 |
| Kiranos | extend the current one | 14:29 |
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| ggabriel | i think the reply all does something weird to the to/cc headers | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | e.g., if you have an email cc John Smith <john.smith@example.com> and you reply all, it will only add to cc john.smith@example.com | 14:38 |
| tbr | Kiranos: I think if you are after epub, someone already made fbreader work, that should support epub | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | i don't know what the rfc says about thigs like that though, or whether it's generally accepted that you keep the full name when available or what | 14:39 |
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| Kiranos | tbr: yes but I'm more looking for the best solution not android cant see the tree for the forest kind of approach of apps but rather the community pushes one app and together make it the best, why create clones? :) | 14:40 |
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| zmo | ahoy! | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | o/ | 14:43 |
| zmo | I got my jolla for some time now, and I just got my new sim card to fit in, but before activating it, I want to make sure all sync stuff gets synced | 14:45 |
| zmo | and thus, I'm trying ot install syncevolution | 14:45 |
| zmo | and in together.jolla there's talks about the openrepos "warehouse" | 14:45 |
| zmo | but I'm not getting wether this is a GUI tool, or something else... | 14:45 |
| zmo | is there any rtfm on the topic? | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | zmo: try to do a search in tmo (talk.maemo.org) | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | at your own risk btw, openrepos is another repository, unsupported fwiw | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | and warehouse is the client | 14:46 |
| chem|st | zmo: afaik best way to sync initial is to copy a all.vcf to your phone and import that | 14:46 |
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| ggabriel | zmo: building up on chem|st's comment, it'd be nice to know _what_ you need to sync :) | 14:47 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: +1 | 14:48 |
| zmo | well, I want to sync owncloud's dav-contacts and dav-calendar | 14:48 |
| zmo | which I'm already using accross my devices and computers for some time now | 14:48 |
| chem|st | zmo: sync'ing was all borked when I sync'ed my N9, I retried with every release but the last one. | 14:48 |
| zmo | what do you mean by borked? | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | ok, i can't speak for either of them | 14:49 |
| chem|st | zmo: export it to file and import it by hand | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | zmo: in all fairness, you're touching on a topic that is not fully complete in sailfish just yet | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | so it's all a matter of trial and error | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | my experience is this: | 14:50 |
| zmo | that's what I've read in together | 14:50 |
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| chem|st | zmo: contacts did not get sync'ed when fields were unknown, characters were unknown etc | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | for contacts: my master is the phone, so I imported all the vcf's from the n9 and worked for all my 505 contacts (except one) | 14:50 |
| chem|st | zmo: as long as there is no cardDAV and calDAV implemented properly I'd do it by hand | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | for calendar: I use the work-in-progress plugin with davical, my master is davical for that, and it works ok, but you need to use terminal for things like sync'ing, and things may fail | 14:50 |
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| zmo | ggabriel - ah, ok, like that | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | having said all that, I don't think any of the above is aimed for a normal user, not sure what type you are :) however, and unfortunately, google seems to work fine if you don't care about your privacy or that of your friends's | 14:51 |
| zmo | got a link ? :) | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | zmo: it's in together.jolla.com | 14:51 |
| tbr | Kiranos: no, I meant there is a QML/Silica version | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | first or second answer to the caldav question | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | #sync is where you get help | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | zmo: bear in mind you need to be able to compile something with the sdk and so on | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | but don't let me sell you that... others said that synevolution works fine, so that may be an easier option | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | zmo: fwiw, I think this whole thing is worth a read: https://together.jolla.com/question/534/support-for-caldav-based-calendars-eg-google-calendar/ | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | loads of complaints of "Y U NO caldav ritght now", but skip those and concentrate on the actual information ;-) | 14:53 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: they said that on both previous phones... and it is still not working for some people | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: you mean synevolution? | 14:54 |
| chem|st | yes | 14:54 |
| zmo | ggabriel - that's the post I was reading when I saw about syncevolution | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i haven't tried it tbh | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | zmo: ok, first answer is what i'm using for calendar | 14:54 |
| zmo | to me simpler is better (and when I say simpler, I mean KISS/Unix mind, not necessarily "easy") | 14:54 |
| Mnsu | I've been using syncevolution with owncloud, and it seems to be working just fine | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | i think ballock was trying it with owncloud, not sure whether it was a success | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | well, for what i see the accounts api is not stupid simple ;-) | 14:55 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: I did fallback to caldav-only after several hours trying to sync an aggregated calendar with other tools than bare caldav | 14:55 |
| zmo | ggabriel - well, it can't be worst than the badly documented account-sync-adapter API of android | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | zmo: few things can be worse than android, but that's another story ;-) | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: thanks, you discourage me from trying it and justify my effort testing the buteo plugin ;-) | 14:56 |
| chem|st | zmo: after some android folks where telling that vcards MUST be sent as MMS I was wondering what those idiots at google are doing and if they get paid by carriers to not support SMS inline vcards... | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | they must be smoking a strangely mild tobacco | 14:58 |
| zmo | ggabriel - indeed, the Android API is a damn mess, I can't get through the obscurancy of ObjC and the close mind of apple, that's why I bought a jolla and first want to use it, and then begin developing stuff and tools for it | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | zmo: looks like you're keen - you may want to give the caldav bit a go with owncloud then | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | not sure about carddav tho | 14:58 |
| zmo | well, I mostly want the carddav stuff :-) | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | davical also supports that, so i wouldn't mind helping out by testing stuff | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | uhm... that may be tricky | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | this plugin i'm talking about doesn't do carddav | 14:59 |
| zmo | the only thing about sailfish it's that it's a whole universe to digest at once | 14:59 |
| zmo | and I'm already pretty busy working on other projects :-) | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | pretty much everybody's problem | 15:00 |
| zmo | guess so :-) | 15:00 |
| zmo | it would be nice to get some Jolla/Sailfish devs do a kind of MDN equivalence for Jolla/Sailfish dev | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | MDN? | 15:01 |
| zmo | mozilla developer network, some kind of wiki-like reference for all the mozilla api mess | 15:02 |
| zmo | but their mess is well documented :-) | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:02 |
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| ggabriel | admittedly, there's a great need for documentation, starting from mer | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | my personal problem is that i document a lot as part of my job, so all i want to do when i get home is try stuff rather than continue writing :) | 15:14 |
| zmo | ahah :-) | 15:14 |
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| zmo | urgh | 15:31 |
| zmo | syncevolution fails because I'm using a self signed certificate on my server :-s | 15:31 |
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| zmo | yeah <3 ssh and nice configuration files | 15:48 |
| zmo | it was in .config/syncevolution/OWNCLOUDNAME/peers/dans-ton-cloud/config.ini | 15:49 |
| zmo | SSLVerifyServer = 0 | 15:49 |
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| Kabouik_ | Hey kimmoli, do you have 30 sec? I've got a question about Bitbucket (but not toholed) | 16:04 |
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| zmo | yay, it's syncing | 17:36 |
| zmo | though, it's the first sync/merge | 17:36 |
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| flanag | Already thought that I can trust my Jolla.. after the battery trick it seemed fairly stable after the latest update. Now I got a sudden shutdown and it doesn't respond to the power key at all anymore (has been like that for a couple of minutes). Might try removing battery.. | 19:18 |
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| Stskeeps | flanag: hmmm. good time to contact care with those symptoms | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | sure it's completely dead? | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | no ssh etc | 19:19 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically: deleted half-a-screen of assembly code to fix a problem! | 19:20 | |
| RST38h | Hi, Stskeeps, how are things? =) | 19:20 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: well, Ḯ'll try removing the battery and see if it starts responding after that | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: all good | 19:21 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: I hope it starts working.. I don't have a fitting SIM for my other phone, damn | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: let me know your battery % when it's alive again | 19:22 |
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| flanag | I'll keep the battery off for a couple of minutes | 19:23 |
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| flanag | Stskeeps: yeaah, it boots | 19:24 |
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| flanag | Stskeeps: battery percentage is where it was, 54% | 19:24 |
| szopin | sorry, in a cellar, qdeclarative5-boostable? | 19:25 |
| flanag | and I got a connection error message right after it booted and I entered my PIN.. | 19:26 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: btw, my gallery app started acting weird a couple of days ago, it didn't want to start, kept loading and the cover disappeared, I started it again and the cover disappeared.. after maybe 20 seconds it decided to just suddenly start up | 19:28 |
| flanag | has done this twice now | 19:28 |
| szopin | happens with many apps for me, 10 minut off-battery reboot serms only workaround | 19:30 |
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| flanag | szopin: which apps? | 19:31 |
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| szopin | last time couldn't get to settings of email | 19:31 |
| szopin | it would just crash | 19:32 |
| flanag | so the 10 minute battery off trick fixed it? normal reboot didn't? | 19:32 |
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| szopin | yeah | 19:32 |
| flanag | ok, maybe I should do that again.. damn | 19:32 |
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| szopin | no idea what is being left over but it is very windowsy in this regard, same with ohkbd | 19:33 |
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| szopin | non-battery removal reboots help with unusual battery consumption (every second/third in my experience, nothing showing in htop yet 10% per hour on idle) | 19:41 |
| szopin | but when apps start acting up 10min is the only way to fix it | 19:42 |
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| flanag | luckily I haven't seen any unusual battery consumption with my Jolla (yet?) | 19:44 |
| Milo- | yet another random shutdown when trying to take a picture :/ | 19:45 |
| szopin | started with 4.20, usually one reboot fixes it so no big deal | 19:45 |
| flanag | damn these problems | 19:46 |
| flanag | I hope there are some fixes coming in the pipelines | 19:46 |
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| Milo- | would start using N9 again, if I could remember how to use it. | 19:47 |
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| szopin | oh just noticed in log my q did not go through: anyone have an idea how to compile libsailfishapp on device? cries lack of qdeclarative5-boostable | 20:04 |
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| special | szopin: compiling on device is unusual, but that comes from mapplauncherd-qt5-devel | 20:09 |
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| szopin | in chroot it works very nicely, ty | 20:10 |
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| Yaniel | okay the battery indicator does not know what it wants now | 23:27 |
| Yaniel | tried to open irc -> phone instantly shut down | 23:27 |
| Yaniel | powered on -> "beeeeeeeep" | 23:27 |
| Yaniel | it still booted, but showed 0% battery | 23:28 |
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| Yaniel | connected charger -> instant poweroff | 23:28 |
| Yaniel | but it showed the "charging" screen... with 40% battery | 23:28 |
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| Turski | Yaniel: take battery out for 10 minutes... | 23:36 |
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