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dunphttp://www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-ethernet-network-explored-possible-jailbreak-in-the-future00:20
dunp:)00:20
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msvb-labMorning folks.05:24
Stskeepsmorn msvb-lab05:26
msvb-labStskeeps: Happy Saturday morning, you up bright and early.05:28
msvb-labOr just have jet lag like me?05:28
Stskeepskid woke me at 6:30..05:28
msvb-labThe little one, nice alarm clock. So what's the hotest new Mer/Sailfish project happening right now?05:28
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msvb-labI see Marc Dillon is speaking at the Open Mobile Summit in London next month, you going there too?05:33
Stskeepshmm no, got an url?05:33
msvb-labhttp://www.openmobilemedia.com/london/conference-speakers.php#Dillon05:33
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msvb-labSeems to me to be a rather corporate environment. Hope Marc can handle it.05:34
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Stskeepssometimes those environments need a fresh breath ;)05:45
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lpotterI just hope he doesn't succumb to the necktie05:48
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msvb-labHe's probably at least somewhat used to being around corp types?06:00
msvb-labDoes he have one or more than one necktie?06:01
Stskeepsi'm not sure i've seen him in a tie..06:01
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tjpthe first one!10:29
tjp... to drop a jolla in a toilet10:29
tjpor not. either way, I'm not too happy about it.10:29
lpotterdid it survive?10:29
tjpdidn't dare to turn it on yet10:30
chem|sttjp: :/10:30
chem|sttjp: put it in a box of rize for the day10:30
chem|stwhat is this? poppy red as the third toh... now I really feel how limited limited is...10:32
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tbrchem|st: yeah it's an awkward choice10:33
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stephgI want more colours :(10:40
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lpotterget some paint10:45
stephgha10:45
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spacedentisthi everyone. i was wondering... /sdcard is a symlink to /data/sdcard, and an android app (osmand) has put some data in there already. however, my actual sdcard is mounted in /media/sdcard/$UUID ... would it make sense to move all data from /data/sdcard to the sdcard and make /data/sdcard a symlink to the sdcard mount point?10:55
spacedentist....or is this supposed to work somehow differently?10:56
Aardspacedentist: sdcard is the virtual android sdcard. real sdcard for android will come at some point, but is not supported right now10:59
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spacedentistah okay. so i should leave /sdcard how it is, and not make it a symlink to the actual sd card. understood. thanks!11:00
chem|ststephg: I want to be treated like I supported Jolla, it feels more like "thanks for your money but we moved on now"11:06
chem|stspacedentist: if you need help on formatting your uSD to have it split for android and jolla give a shout, I have it sorted11:07
chem|stis there a way to enable usbnetworking without the need of dev-mode?11:07
spacedentistchem|st: oh, oh, that's interesting. do you need to have separate file systems for android and jolla? i've just put a btrfs filesystem on my 64gb sdcard and copied 30gb of music on it....11:09
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spacedentistso yeah, how does that work, chem|st?11:09
chem|stspacedentist: nope, you format the uSD btrfs (the complete one so /dev/mmcblk1 and not mmcblk1p1)11:10
spacedentistah okay. and what next?11:10
chem|stthen you mount it somewhere eg mount /dev/mmcblk1 /mnt/11:10
spacedentistokay11:10
chem|stthen you create two subvolumes11:10
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chem|stcd /mnt11:11
spacedentistso, that's btrfs subvolumes/11:11
spacedentist?11:11
chem|st?11:11
chem|stnope11:11
chem|ststep by step11:11
spacedentistsorry.... i was just thinking out loud. so first you create one big btrfs, and then you use btrfs subvolumes to divide it.11:11
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chem|styou actually do not divide it, all the space is there for all subvolumes if you do not activate quota on one of them11:12
spacedentistcool! :)11:12
chem|stso format to btrfs11:12
chem|stmount it11:12
chem|stgot to mount folder11:12
chem|stcreate subvolumes (btrfs subvolumes create jolla)11:13
chem|stthis now shows as /mnt/jolla folder11:14
chem|stcreate another one (btrfs subvolume create android)11:14
chem|stthis now shows as /mnt/android11:14
chem|stso now comes the trick11:14
chem|stthe default volume mounted is subvolume=0 the root volume11:15
chem|styou can change which volume will be served as default11:16
spacedentistah, i see.11:16
spacedentistso the standard jolla mount scripts will then mount my jolla subvolume to /media/sdcard/$UUID11:16
spacedentistthat's clever11:16
chem|stare you familiar with the steps or should I go through it in detail11:16
chem|styes exactly11:17
spacedentisti'm not familiar but i guess "man btrfs" or similar will show my all i need to know11:17
spacedentistbut i get the idea11:17
spacedentistcool. i'll do that now. thanks a lot, chem|st!11:17
chem|stthe other subvolume android I wrote in the mount-sd.sh below the btrfs capable mount exec11:17
spacedentistah, okay, and you mount that to /data/sdcard then?11:18
chem|styes I moved data/sdcard to the currently mounted /mnt/android11:18
chem|stand left the original data untouched in case of removing the sdcard11:18
chem|stfor you in steps11:19
chem|stI did everything on device:11:19
chem|stmkfs @ /dev/mmcblk111:20
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chem|stmount -o subvol=0 /dev/mmcblk1 /media/sdcard11:21
chem|stbtrfs subvolume create /media/sdcard/jolla11:21
chem|stbtrfs subvolume create /media/sdcard/android11:21
chem|stbtrfs subvolume list /media/sdcard (there you get the sub-id to set it default)11:22
chem|stbtrfs subvolume set-default <id> /media/sdcard (not sure about that one look it up again)11:23
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chem|stcp all files from android over to the android subvol11:25
chem|stalter the mount-sd.sh script to mount your uSD/android subvolume to the android-sd folder11:25
chem|stdone11:26
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chem|stit takes a bit after a reboot to mount that so be patient when looking the first time11:27
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Eyeajolla )0!1@ )0y11:31
spacedentistchem|st: since I had 30gb of data already copied to my btrfs (which i want to have in my jolla subvolume), i used11:31
spacedentistbtrfs subvolume snapshot . jolla11:31
spacedentistto create the jolla subvolume. it seems to create an ordinary subvolume, but one that starts with all the contents of the sdcard's root directory.11:31
spacedentisti then just deleted the data from the sdcard's root directory.11:31
chem|stsounds nifty ;)11:32
chem|stI did not have btrfs so I needed to reformat anyways11:32
spacedentisti'm a btrfs newbee, so i hope this wasn't stupid. but in "btrfs subvolume list" the jolla subvolume looks like a regular subvolume now.11:32
chem|stbut thanks to a usb3 cardreader this went pretty fast11:33
chem|stI am n00b as well so I just told you the steps I did learn in the process11:34
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spacedentistchem|st: just rebooted my phone, and everything works perfectly. jolla subvolume is mounted in the right place, and /data/sdcard now contains my android subvolume! :) thanks a lot for your help11:55
spacedentisti didn't edit /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh but instead placed this line in /etc/fstab:11:56
spacedentist/dev/mmcblk1p1 /data/sdcard/ btrfs subvol=android 0 011:56
spacedentist...which works nicely.11:56
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dunpfstab is right way :)12:02
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jf_yo13:36
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jf_is there any sandbox for browsers13:38
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coderushello14:05
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coderusbought microsd for my jolla14:06
korcoderus: is the "%1 messages"-thing known?14:06
coderusis there preferred way to format card?14:06
coderuskor: what are you talking about with me?14:06
kormitäkuuluu14:06
coderuskor: what exactly?14:06
Turskikor: latest version?14:07
korit's been in anything that's been past 0.2 for me14:07
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Bawalat least in 0.2.9 it's fixed14:07
Bawali think14:07
korupdating to 0.2-10 now, let's see14:09
Nicd-kor: it was fixed for me already14:11
korit is indeed.14:15
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suyI'm travelling to japan next month and I can't find an "official" list of countries/bands supported. Is this one correct? http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php14:28
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YanielGSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz it says on the box14:29
YanielUMTS 900/2100 MHz14:29
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suymm, on what part of the box?14:31
Nicd-suy: look at http://jolla.com/ technical specs14:34
Nicd-GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz, 4G LTE* 1800/2600 Mhz14:34
Nicd-ooh, it now says of the 4G on the site: "Supported in Finland during Q2/2014, other countries and operators to be announced at a later date."14:34
flanagnice14:35
Venemo_jcoderus: if you want to use btrfs, don't format it with a newer kernel. otherwise use your preferred method14:36
Turskihave we heard enything about april update yet?14:41
Yanielrelax, april just began14:42
Turskiwell, last update was "early" march14:43
Yanielso it should be within the next 3 weeks14:43
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TurskiYaniel: so short answer is "no"14:44
Yanielcorrect14:44
Turskithat would have been enough ;)14:44
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TemeV_Would be nice to know what is coming in the next update14:46
Venemo_jsome stuff was already officially announced14:47
LancerLast update was nice. Finally usb connection works and access to microsd is nice14:48
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TemeV_can't find any announcements in together15:02
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flanagit's not an official announcement but this can be found on together:15:03
flanag"I believe that a lot of the issues you're seeing will be resolved by the next update, as significant effort was expended on improving the lower-layers of our connectivity stack. But I don't know much about it, at all, so I can't say exactly what changed. Reading the release notes and changelogs when the next update is released will probably be more informative than I have been, I guess."15:03
flanagchris.adams ( 2014-04-03 07:04:48 +0300 )15:03
flanaghttps://together.jolla.com/question/35079/10420-stability-problems-findings/15:03
TemeV_Thanks. That was actually what I wanted to know. Stability issues are only reason for my I'm considering changing back to N915:06
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Waiteewhat stability?16:30
Waiteewow16:31
Waiteemy device has worked fine16:31
Waiteeexcept for the openrepos + upgrade16:32
TemeV_Waitee: random shutdowns16:32
Waiteeyeah16:32
Waiteereading that post16:32
TemeV_https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/#post-id-3696516:33
TemeV_there is an interesting solution though :)16:33
Waiteeonly problem im having is openrepos cant update16:34
TemeV_Waitee: do you have the repo enabled?16:34
WaiteeTemeV_: cant enable the repos16:34
Waiteedunno why16:34
Waiteethen again im only using mitäkuuluu from openrepos so i can just reinstall every time theres an update available16:35
Waiteeso i havent bothered fixing it16:35
TemeV_Are you trying to enable it from command line or warehouse?16:35
Waiteewarehouse16:36
Waiteehavent really even tried to fix it16:36
TemeV_Well try from the command line, if you some day want to fix it :)16:37
TemeV_Or try reinstalling Warehouse16:38
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mordhmhm, how to check when rild dropss the ball; i mean, i've been seeing silent, complete radio deaths and would love to be able to set up a watchdog-like thing to alert me16:41
mord...or perhaps even do a reboot after a noisy notification16:42
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Elleo16/17:07
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Nicd-hmm, my gmail no longer works on the device18:11
Nicd-when I try to "update sign-in credentials", it just shows the rotating progress indicator with "Updating account" forever18:11
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Nicd-email app seems to get stuck on update forever too, finally just says "problem with update" :(18:14
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Pnuutry to remove and re-add the account?18:32
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arkkipii5kawhen is younited for Jolla out?19:02
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Accetwitter says Q219:27
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CvPhi21:37
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