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NePankhi folks02:12
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NePankNePank: i have a qiestion, how many speakers on bottom should work when music is playing?02:19
william_102:25
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NePankthnx, i thought already 2nd speaker was damaged by shipping02:27
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tbrpahartik: with comments, it seems to ship an init script...04:03
pahartiktbr: I thought it would be safer not to auto-start04:07
tbrok04:07
pahartiktbr: Especially since I am not used to playing with "systemd"04:08
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pahartiktbr: As to how do I manually set things up after reboot, I have defined single character alphanumeric ASCII shell aliases...04:20
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tbrpahartik: but could you drop the init script then? it will serve no purpose04:27
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pahartiktbr: I suppose that would be appropriate04:42
pahartiktbr: And then submit it again to "sailfishos:chum:1.0.4.20:testing" like first time?04:43
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tbrpahartik: correct04:50
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Mnsumy email is not syncing automatically anymore, and I can't access settings->apps->email (the settings app apparently crashes), anyone encountered similar situation?09:46
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Nicd-Mnsu: gmail?09:46
MnsuNicd-: yes09:46
Nicd-mine stopped working too09:46
MnsuNicd-: can you do manual syncing still, e.g. from the cover action?09:47
Mnsuthat works for me at least09:47
ggabrielmine is working09:47
ggabrielboth settings, automatic and manual sync09:47
ggabrielbut i have gmail configured as a normal mailbox09:47
Nicd-Mnsu: no09:48
ggabrielworth checking journal if you have access...09:48
MnsuNicd-: probably have different bugs then, or partially different at least09:49
MnsuApr 07 12:50:37 localhost jolla-settings[10223]: [W] Buteo::ProfileManagerPrivate::parseFile:1096 - Failed to parse profile XML:  "/home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync/syncemail.xml"09:51
MnsuApr 07 12:50:37 localhost jolla-settings[10223]: [W] Buteo::ProfileManagerPrivate::load:152 - Failed to load profile: "syncemail"09:51
MnsuI get those kind of logs, after trying to access email settings page09:51
ggabrielMnsu: and it crashes?09:51
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Mnsuthe app closes immediately when clicking the email settings09:53
ggabrielMnsu: also, do you have that file? :)09:53
Mnsuyes, but it appears to be empty09:53
ggabrielaha09:53
ggabrielinteresting09:53
ggabrieldo you want mine?09:53
ggabriel(if you're willing to try...)09:53
MMorimiksi on f-securen oltava paha09:53
MnsuI could test, if the file does not contain any profile specific stuff09:54
ggabrieli bet that if you recreate the account, the file will be recreated as well09:54
ggabrielit seems to be just the profile, as opposed to the account09:54
ggabrielsec09:54
MMorihit and miss, oops09:54
ggabrielMnsu: http://pastebin.com/1aZqSq2K09:55
ggabrielyou can try that, you can try removing the 0b file altogether09:55
ggabrielmy file checks email every 30 minutes fwiws09:55
Mnsuggabriel: thanks. can access the settings now at least09:57
ggabrielnp09:58
ggabrielMnsu: did you have to reboot the phone or something strange?09:58
ggabriel(such as reoboting battery)09:59
Mnsuggabriel: didn't reboot now, will try that if it does not start syncing10:00
ggabriels/rebooting/removing/10:00
ggabrieli  mean... i find it strange that you ended up with a 0b file10:00
ggabrielit sounds like the old bug when ext4 came into play10:00
Mnsuwell yes, I've had some reboot problems a few times before, and that syncing problem has probably been around for some time now10:01
stephgMnsu, are you out of space I wonder10:01
stephgcan you touch(1) new files in your home directory for example10:01
Nicd-stephg: they might be able to touch even if there's no btrfs space, I was10:01
Nicd-but putting content in failed10:01
stephgfair enough Nicd- then dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/nemo/tastyfile bs=1M count=110:02
Nicd-or just 'btrfs fi show' :P10:02
MnsuI created a file from /dev/zero with cat (~100MB), and that worked10:03
stephgok so you have space :)10:06
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ln-http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/11:10
Tofeln-: quick, we need an anti-virus for Sailfish ! ;)11:12
ggabrielwon't work... it'll have to be free ;-)11:18
tbrI'd laugh, but then I saw this and cried a little: https://together.jolla.com/question/17308/sailfish-os-protection/11:19
ggabrielnothing is secure (tm)11:22
fluxwell, that being said, as far as I know jolla has no security story. every app runs with all the priviledged of the user.11:22
ggabrielwell, user != root11:22
ggabrielthat's a start11:23
fluxI suppose it prevents one from, maybe, capturing keypresses, as wayland might not have the snooping X has11:23
fluxbut they are still able to copy all your mail, visit, web pages, etc etc, to whomever they choose11:23
ggabrielotoh, the $USER installs applications, so...11:23
flanaghttps://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.5.1111:33
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Nicd-forbidden11:34
flanagyeah but it's coming11:34
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flanagthey also started tagging (apr14) on together11:35
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Yanielooh11:36
Turskiooh11:37
Nicd-ooh11:37
junnuvicool11:37
stephg#soon is → thataaway ;)11:37
Nicd-so fast11:37
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svuorelawhat lake is the next one named after?11:41
flanaggood question11:41
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svuorelathat's usually the most important question :)11:43
svuorela(besides what new bugs and features it comes with)11:43
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Nicd-still waiting for Hervantajärvi11:44
TofeThe previous names were a bit too easy to pronounce, I hope they will choose more carefully this time11:44
Kiranoscan someone post a url with questions marked with the tag?11:44
Kiranossorry11:45
Kiranossearched :P11:45
Nicd-https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:apr14/page:1/11:45
KiranosNicd-: thanks11:45
Kiranosmms and sync bugfixes mostly it seems11:46
junnuviTofe: like Paanosenlompolo ?11:46
flanagjunnuvi: too easy11:46
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junnuvithere is pretty good names available http://www.jarviwiki.fi/w/index.php?title=Luokka:Nimi&from=P11:48
flanagTofe, junnuvi: maybe some Skolt Sami language? Aanarjäuˊrr11:48
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Nicd-at some point jolla should switch to street names and use Paska-Avenue11:48
junnuvithat sounds complex enought11:48
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Tofeflanag: fair enough11:48
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Eyeajolla )0!1@ )oy11:51
Waiteeyeah11:52
Eyeamighty11:52
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jussiNicd-: for some release that does some integration with windows? :P11:52
junnuvithose names are already reserved for wp11:55
junnuvi:P11:55
PnuuNicd-: there's plenty of paskalampi in finland11:55
Nicd-but only one Paska-Avenue11:56
Nicd-it has its own ring to it11:56
Skorpya ring of shit?11:56
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fluxnicd-, and if not Hervantajärvi, then I propose Suolijärvi12:07
Nicd-Ahvenisjärvi would do too12:08
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fluxnicd-, how's your weechat relay app going?-)12:12
Eyea)0!1@12:12
Nicd-worked on it for an hour on saturday, the connection stuff is pretty ready but yet to be hooked into the UI12:13
Nicd-dunno how to implement the ssl error dialog because QSslSocket wants a response immediately whether to continue or not12:13
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fluxfail the session, prompt the user, remember the decision?12:24
fluxor use threads to pause responding to QSslSocket12:24
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Nicd-the first is the workaround I'm considering12:24
fluxyou probably want to remember the decision regardless, so it's less work in total12:25
Nicd-the second one is interesting, but could get hairy12:25
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Eyeaany open  viber type sailfishos  app out12:26
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Nicd-there's mitäkuuluu for whatsapp12:27
Eyeayah12:27
Eyeai mean voio12:28
Eyeavoip12:28
Nicd-oh, sorry12:28
ggabrielthere's a tjc question for thta12:28
ggabrielIMHO it shouldn't be an "app", it should be a plugin12:28
Nicd-remembered viber was whatsapp-like, my memory is playing tricks12:28
ggabrielwe don't want sailfish to look like android where each "app" implements its own stack of everything12:29
ggabriel(or ios for that matter)12:29
ggabrieland when I say "we", I mean "I" :P12:29
Eyeayah12:29
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Eyeait woukd be good if sailfishos  had extra accounts like n900  or n912:30
Nicd-that's probably their plan12:31
ggabrielextra accounts?12:31
ggabrielyou mean like sip ones etc?12:31
Nicd-think he means more account types12:31
ggabrielyeah, so tha'ts the idea12:31
ggabrielcaldav integration is one of those12:31
ggabrieland it works (tm), just without the frontend12:31
ggabrielso you can def build on top of that12:31
chem|stggabriel: you mean "we" ever since Maemo I am wondering why android and iOS have separated apps for each service...12:31
fluxnothing else makes sense. though, we only have skype through an android app and I wonder if we'll ever get a more integrated solution for that. the vendor might not be co-operating..12:31
ggabriellike Stskeeps pointed out - the n9 was expected as fully functional, and sailfish is going to grow12:32
ggabrielsadly, i don't see future in skype...12:32
chem|stespecially as they did not have multitasking and daemons12:32
ggabrielmulti-what? :)12:32
chem|stexactly12:33
ggabrielchem|st: i was also being a bit humble, don't want to speak on behalf of others12:33
Stskeepsany multitasking is smoke and mirros12:33
Stskeeps:P12:33
Stskeeps+r12:33
chem|stthere is actually no need for anything else but proper xmpp support12:33
ggabrielbut i just love the simplicity12:33
* ggabriel will refer to multitasking in future as the "m" word12:34
chem|stStskeeps: sure? the homescreen with different apps having cover-actions is the closest thing to multitasking you may get on a 4.5" screen?!12:34
Eyeaany jolla devs in channel12:34
Stskeepschem|st: i want a 27" sailfish screen12:35
Stskeeps:P12:35
chem|stStskeeps: I'd like to have it on a tablet syncronized with my 40" TV... but well you know the rules!12:35
tbrStskeeps: is that the announcement of Sailfish-for-TV? *duck* *run*12:36
Stskeepstbr: tabelt!12:37
Stskeepser, tablet12:37
chem|stStskeeps: 27" tablet?12:37
TemeVis there any android-tv:s around? Port of Sailfish to one of those would be nice :)12:37
tbrTemeV: all sony TVs run android underneath, but probably not easy to get 'in'12:38
Eyeamost droid tablet can handel sailfishos12:38
chem|stanother reason to not buy sony12:38
TemeVtbr, ok12:38
TemeVchem|st, +112:39
chem|stI buy samsung cause of the technology, I hate the company - what about LG?12:40
chem|stand I regret buying a samsung tablet12:40
TemeVQuality of LG just does not seem to be same level as Samsung12:41
ggabrielbuy a sony if you're after quality12:41
TemeVSony is much more expensive12:41
ggabrielwell, good, long lasting quality has a price12:42
TemeVyeah. Samsungs quality and price just meet my requirements and amount of money I'm willing to pay :)12:42
ggabrielfair12:42
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Nicd-LG talks to big brother :P12:43
ggabrielsamsung doesn't? ...12:43
TemeVBut I don't like Samsung as a company either12:43
Nicd-their Smart TVs at least12:43
TemeVSmart TVs are horrible devices anyway12:43
ggabrielTemeV: i sent too many of their monitors for repair to buy anything from them, regardless of price12:44
TemeVwell, I haven't tried new models12:44
TemeVggabriel, every device has flaws12:45
ggabrielsamsung has more than others12:45
ggabrielin my experience anyway12:45
ggabrielso i make a choice as a consumer12:45
TemeVcompared to volume?12:45
ggabrielcompared to generic monitors12:45
ggabrielcompared to sony12:45
ggabrielanyway12:45
ggabrielthat's my personal experience anyway12:46
TemeVwell, often there is a reason for the lower price12:46
ggabrielin my experience, sometimes samsung was more expensive12:46
ggabrielbut in "in development" country12:47
Kiranosipad beats android tablets by miles imo :)12:47
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TemeVKiranos, I was considering on buying iPad and was testing one in the store. All the time I tried to close apps with a swipe and thought "this is not going to work out" :)12:48
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BysmyyrTemeV: :D12:48
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TemeVbut ATM, if I wanted a tablet it would most likely be iPad. Waiting for sailfish to land on tablets :)12:50
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KiranosTemeV: yea I like ios over android actually13:04
KiranosTemeV: I mostly close the app with the button13:05
TemeVKiranos, well there isn't other possibilities with iOS, is there? :)13:05
KiranosI think you can close the app to "multitask" bu haveing an open palm and drag all fingers towards the middle but it works like one out of five times :)13:09
TemeVpinching with all fingers? Thats a gesture that took me a while to learn with mac13:11
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KiranosTemeV: yes exacly13:18
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parasemicseems like my phone is starting to break down13:22
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ggabrielbreak down how?13:22
parasemicscreen is restarting itself all the time13:22
parasemicwith a tearing effect13:22
parasemicused to happen like once an hour, now its going off every 10sec13:23
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parasemici might be forced to go back to android if the next update doesnt fix the major problems like constant rebooting, bootloops and phone history resetting13:25
parasemic:(13:25
flanagparasemic: Can you go to recovery mode? If I remember right, it should display a static Jolla logo there. If the screen flickers in recovery mode too, it's most probably a hardware problem. If it only flickers when the device is actually booted and usable, there might be something wrong with lipstick.13:29
parasemichow do i go to recovery mode?13:30
parasemicalso, Jolla really like to go bootloop every reboot13:30
parasemiclikes*13:30
flanagbefore you go to recovery mode: has it ever flickered during boot up?13:31
TemeVparasemic, try rebootin withou sim card13:31
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TemeVonce only way to boot the phone was to take out the sim, wait for phone to "stabilize" put the sim back in and hope that phone does not boot :)13:32
TemeVand ignore the message that tells you to boot after insterting the sim13:33
flanagTemeV: in those kind of situations (continuosly rebooting) it always was stable until the PIN query and then I just skipped the PIN and it stayed on13:33
flanagthe situation is of course different if you have PIN query disabled13:34
parasemicTemeV: well, my bootloops are always fixed with removing the battery13:34
parasemichmm, seems like the screen restarting stopped now. SW issue then13:35
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TemeVflanag, yeah I had disabled PIN query13:35
parasemicany info when the next update is coming? losing phone history twice a day (avg. rate of rebooting) is pretty annoying really13:36
flanagI think all these problems are caused by connectivity.. the Jolla is probably rock-solid without a SIM13:36
flanagparasemic: should be soon, as they have already started tagging on together (apr14)13:36
TemeVflanag, seems to me like that also13:37
parasemicflanag: cool. hope they get it right this time. even if OS fluidity has increased every update, the everyday usability has gone worse at the same time... sigh13:38
TemeVI put this "fix" to a test https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/#post-id-36965 and no reboot since13:38
flanagTemeV: I can't see why that would help13:38
flanagmy battery stays really well there even without TOH13:38
TemeVwell, bad connection to battery could cause voltage drops and random behaviour13:39
Turskiflanag: and you have tried removing the battery for 10 minutes?13:39
TemeVit seems a long shot for mee to13:39
TemeVo13:39
flanagI think it just works because when people are doing this, they'll take their battery off for over 10 minutes13:39
parasemicdoubt that too.. cant even get the phone to reboot by forcing the battery to move13:39
TemeVflanag, it does not take 10 minutes to do that13:39
flanagwell, 5 minutes is enough to fix it (10 minutes is just to make sure)13:39
flanagso I think the reason is the fact that the battery is off for a time13:40
TemeVmaybe13:40
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flanagafter the battery trick, the Jolla is usually stable for 1-2 weeks and then starts developing these stability problems until you do the battery trick again13:41
flanag(for me)13:41
parasemicyeah. my reboot are hand-in-hand with certain stuff I do like sending messages in messages or mitäkuuluu, or updating tweets13:41
TemeVfor me it helped for a day13:41
parasemicdoubt its a HW issue13:41
TemeVat best13:41
TemeVnow that I have different operator my reboots went much more rare13:41
flanagTemeV: so the battery was always off for 10 minutes when you did it?13:42
TemeVyeah13:42
flanagok13:42
TemeVusually i forget it for half an hour or so13:42
flanagthere's some hope though: "I believe that a lot of the issues you're seeing will be resolved by the next update, as significant effort was expended on improving the lower-layers of our connectivity stack. But I don't know much about it, at all, so I can't say exactly what changed. Reading the release notes and changelogs when the next update is released will probably be more informative than I have been, I guess."13:43
flanagchris.adams (Apr 3 '14) https://together.jolla.com/question/35079/10420-stability-problems-findings/13:43
TemeVflanag, yeah I've read that too13:43
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nanderHi13:49
nanderIs anyone here a jolla employee and able to look up imei numbers?13:50
nanderMy phone got stolen, along with my home key and my wallet13:50
Yanielyou can see the imei number on your account page on jolla.com13:51
nandershop.jolla.com or a different page?13:51
Yanielhttps://account.jolla.com/registration/login/13:52
kontiohttps://account.jolla.com/devices13:52
Yanielerm, yes13:52
nanderI see TWO phones13:53
nanderWhich is weird13:54
nanderDec. 18, 201313:54
nanderAND Dec. 23, 201313:54
Yanieland different IMEIs?13:54
nanderYes13:54
YanielO.o13:54
nanderThey only share the first two digits13:54
nander3513:54
Yanieldid you use your account on some other phone?13:55
nanderNo, I didn't13:56
Bysmyyrnander: :(13:56
nanderAh, it might have been my n913:56
nanderBut I don't think it is13:56
Yanielor do a factory reset (although I don't think that'll give you a new IMEI)13:56
nanderThat definately shouldn't give you a new imei13:56
nanderIMEI should stay the same13:56
nanderIs there a pattern in imei?13:56
nander(should jolla imei numbers follow a certain pattern?)13:57
nanderWait a sec, the first one IS my N9, it has to be, unless jolla employees activated it before it arrived13:57
Yanieldid you try sailfish on the N9?13:57
nanderYes13:58
nanderIt kinda fubarred my n913:58
Yanielthen it kind of makes sense13:58
nander(it ran out of juice and since then it has been acting strange)13:58
nanderBy the way, I'm probably the first person to have a stolen jolla in the netherlands13:59
nanderThe computer system at the police station didn't recognise jolla as an existing phone brand13:59
Yanielshould be easy to recognize it then :D13:59
flanagnander: did you have a lock-code on it?14:00
nanderYes14:00
flanaggreat14:00
nanderOn my sim at least14:00
nanderI dunno what happens if he uses a different sim14:00
flanagI meant the phone lock14:00
Yanielsecurity code14:00
flanagyeah14:00
flanagthat14:00
nanderI fear I just have a code on my sim14:01
nanderWhich is blocked14:01
nanderThe thief was stupid enough to directly start using my debit card (and fail, because he used a wrong code)14:01
nanderThe bank mentioned that when I blocked my pass14:02
Yanielnow let's hope he is stupid enough to not turn off the phone so it can be tracked down by the operator :P14:02
Yaniel(or change the sim)14:02
Bysmyyroperator can see IMEI14:03
Yanielyes but does it help much if the sim is from another operator?14:03
YanielI guess they do some sharing of stolen IMEIs though14:03
BysmyyrI think so14:03
Bysmyyrbut best way is to kill that phone via jolla14:04
nanderCan jolla press a death switch?14:04
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Bysmyyratleast turn off updates and store14:05
nanderBased on imei?14:05
BysmyyrI think so14:05
nanderI think it would be more hilarious to do evil updates14:05
nander(if your emei is one of a stolen phone, you get a different update)14:05
nanderWhich causes your phone to overheat and explode14:06
nander:D14:06
parasemicanyone know why cant i install prey? installing from warehouse app gives "transaction /2469_vedcaedb" error14:06
Bysmyyroverheating should be easy to implement14:06
Bysmyyrbut better way is to contact to that person who tries to use own jolla account14:07
nanderI could also ask facebook to keep tabs on that phone14:07
nanderFacebook was online on that phone14:07
nanderWhen it got stolen14:07
nanderI could ask them if they know when it went dark14:08
Bysmyyrthey know everything14:08
nanderI could ask them for everything they know14:08
nander(european laws)14:08
Stskeepsand that's kids, why you use a lock code on your device..14:08
nanderI didn't even know that was possible14:08
Stskeepsthe phone is practically a brick after that to people who aren't using it14:08
nanderIt got stolen at a bloody themepark...14:09
Stskeepser, using the correct code14:09
Stskeeps:nod:14:09
nanderAt the station of a rollercoaster14:09
nanderThere was no queue, so I kept reriding it (just stayed on my seat) and after 10 rounds or so it was gone14:09
nanderIt may have been lots more than 10 rounds xD14:09
Stskeepswe had to design it from point of view that we had a supersecret OS coming up; and we like to drink beer; so it had to be able to pass the 'loosing phone in a bar' scenario..14:09
Stskeeps:P14:10
flanaglol14:10
Yanielheh14:10
nanderStskeeps, you should have given it legs and the possibility to find its way home14:10
Yanieldrone toh14:10
nanderEven better, so when you're drunk you just crawl behind your phone14:10
Yaniel:D14:10
Stskeepsnander: shh, business opportunity, TOH14:10
Stskeeps:P14:10
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nanderDamm, april first is a few days ago14:10
flanagI'm glad the usb exploit (for the device lock) was fixed so fast after I reported it, thanks for that14:10
nanderThat's a pity14:10
Stskeepsnander: i'm not sure we can do so much but mail care about your lost phone with your IMEI..14:11
Bysmyyrand this is purpose of the lock code you can set timer very high14:11
nanderI didn't see the option of the lock code14:11
nanderI didn't even think my device would get stolen\14:11
YanielStskeeps: what does "allow input while device is locked" mean?14:11
nanderI'm never drunk14:11
nanderI pretty much always keep my phone in my pocket14:11
Accethere's also that "prey" or whatever that let's you track your phone if it get's stolen and it's online14:11
flanagYaniel: I don't remember that option? I just remember the option to check notifications while locked14:12
nanderWhich you probably have to install before it gets stolen14:12
Acceyep14:12
ggabrielnander: you describe behaviour for "never lost", not "never stolen"14:12
Yanielah, this "input" might also translate as "feeds"14:12
nanderIt just never slipped my mind that someone would steal my bag14:12
StskeepsYaniel: able to see events?14:13
Stskeepsi don't recall14:13
Yaniellike show notification icons on the lockscreen?14:13
flanagStskeeps: ^14:13
flanagYaniel: no, the swipe from bottom14:13
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Bysmyyrbtw, why we can change settings of lock code without providing it?14:14
flanagthat's available if you enable that option14:14
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YanielBysmyyr: you can't14:14
Yanielflanag: ah14:14
BysmyyrYaniel: yes I can, ofcourse I cannot change code put other settings14:14
Bysmyyrooh, that comes after, not before :)14:15
Yanielthere are no settings visible if you haven't set a code14:15
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Yanieland if you try to change them, it prompts you for the code once14:16
Yaniel(like sudo)14:16
Bysmyyryes, I think like s60 where you have to provide code before changing14:16
Yanieland leaving the settings page "drops" the permissions14:16
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Yanielyeah it lets you open the dropdown menus14:16
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Yanielbut reverts if you aren't authenticated14:17
Yanielor rather, does not change anything unless you provide it the code14:17
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nanderI now have a 5 year old nokia fridge phone..14:18
nanderI miss my jolla14:18
ggabrielnander: cool :)14:18
ggabriel(sorry, somebody had to do it)14:18
YanielI see what you did there14:18
nanderDamm, this is gonna cost a lot of money14:19
nanderAll the new cards..14:19
Yaniel:(14:19
nanderAnd in the Netherlands getting your ID stolen is a crime..14:19
nanderStealing it is a different crime, but being unable to present your previous document is a crime14:19
ggabrielhopefully for the thief, and hopefully in most places in the world14:19
nanderSo you get a fine14:19
ggabrielthat's quite bad14:20
nanderNo, the victim commits a crime by allowing it to happen14:20
Yanielnander: even if you have an equivalent document? say, passport14:20
Stskeepswell, i guess it's also because there's area of abuse possible with selling your passport14:20
nanderWhich would be extremely stupid14:20
Yanielhm yeah14:21
nanderSelling your own identity14:21
nanderFor a thief, selling my ID would be great14:21
nanderEspecially given the fact that he has 6 different passes with my name on it14:21
nanderBank card, credit card, public transportation card, etc.14:21
nanderHe has it all14:21
flanagdamn :/14:21
nanderOk, it's all blocked, but still14:21
nanderA goldmine for idenity thieves14:21
Stskeepsnander: it's not exactly stupid, you can claim it got stolen..14:22
nanderAnd someone else uses your identity14:22
nanderTo vote, to get a loan etc.14:22
nanderIf they ever get into trouble, you get into trouble14:22
nanderBecause it's your identity14:22
nanderTo me, the fact that all those passes are gone is worse than losing my phone14:23
nanderIt costs roughly the same14:23
nanderWell, the passes are ~300 I think14:23
nanderI think the total damage is 800-900 euros14:24
nanderHa lol, I have a qwerty OTH on order, I think I'll try to cancel that one14:25
ggabrieli'm sure somebody will buy it off you ;-)14:26
nanderI don't think it's wise for me to buy a pricy phone14:26
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Yanielno-win for you I guess14:33
Yanielunless you can get all your stuff back14:33
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chem|stbuild-quality http://i.imgur.com/81R8qOq.jpg15:02
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Plntchem|st: is that remote gsm trigger for explosives?15:03
Plntah, it is15:04
CoderCandyNo, it's the new prototype jolla phone15:07
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Yanielcomplete with prototype TOH15:07
Waiteefinished product15:10
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kimmoliC4TOH ?15:13
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Mnsutrigger it by ssh'ing to the phone15:15
Yanielso that's what the boom.service systemd service is for15:15
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flanaghaha15:15
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opukhow does one copy google contacts to "local" contacts? I want the backup feature to include them19:21
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zoraelphone slid off the table, screen is now cracked. :<20:56
zoraelwoe is me.20:56
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EYEA_Jolla )01!@ joy22:17
petantikWhoever updated Exchange integration in the last update I wish to sincerely thank them22:17
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EYEA_Jolla )0i!@23:21
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