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Quuvissiin vähän pätkii05:47
Quu`/n05:47
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Nicd-yaay, fixed my calendar :) according to https://together.jolla.com/question/33975/bug-google-calendar-not-showing-all-events/08:12
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ppglad to be helpful :-) Probably should figure out how to easily figure out whether a calendar is broken or not08:13
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chriadamUrgh.08:21
chriadamWe should add a "wipe and perform clean sync" option to the account settings ui :-/08:21
ppmaybe storing local events in the process08:22
ppnot that I used any, so wiping everything was an easy choice08:22
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ppwould a dump of broken calendar (or one event in 38-icate be helpful?)08:40
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chriadampp: no, but some log files would be very useful:08:46
chriadamsystemctl --user stop msyncd.service08:46
chriadamSOCIALD_LOGGING_LEVEL=3 devel-su -p msyncd08:46
chriadam(then in a different terminal): dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'google.Calendars'08:47
chriadamyou can rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Sync/gcal.ini if you want to perform a "clean sync" of the Google calendar data08:47
chriadambut some logs first would be very helpful ;-)08:47
pphmn, except I cleaned up the calendars already :-)08:47
chriadamsend them to chris dot adams at jolla dot com08:47
chriadamah ;-)08:48
ppcould go back to the broken ones I suppose08:48
pp(tho that was already in 1.0.4.20)08:48
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chriadamanyway, I have to head home for the night (autz) but please feel free to ping me / email me and I'll respond / track things down tomorrow08:49
ppokie, I'll do the log thing with the broken databases08:49
chriadamthanks very much08:49
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ggabrieli got another sim card disconnection, this time with the message08:55
ggabrielo/ btw08:55
salami`qq08:55
ggabrielmay be a strange network condition as it happens when i sit at the work desk :)08:55
ggabrieli also think that battery life improved somewhat, which is cool08:55
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Venemo_jwhat's this JollaKauppa thing?10:08
oh8gnzShop? ;)10:09
StskeepsVenemo_j: http://jolla.com/hijacked10:09
Venemo_jStskeeps: when's that discussion you proposed on the mailing list? it's today, right?10:09
Stskeepsyes, at 15 UTC10:09
SceltStskeeps: do you work for Jolla as an employee?10:10
StskeepsScelt: hi, nice to meet you, carsten munk, chief research engineer - and in here i speak on behalf of myself :)10:10
Venemo_jwhen it 15 utc? what's it now in utc?10:10
StskeepsVenemo_j: 11:10 AFAIK10:10
Venemo_jah10:11
Stskeepserr.. wait10:11
* Stskeeps panics10:11
Stskeepsnonono10:11
Yaniel10:1110:11
TemeVwhat was the meeting channel?10:11
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Venemo_jabout the JollaKauppa website... let me guess, nobody tested it on a jolla10:12
Stskeepsgod damnit, i screwed up the time10:12
Venemo_jStskeeps: how so?10:12
tbr1500 UTC is 1800EEST is 1700 CEST10:13
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Venemo_jtbr: is it CEST here?10:14
SceltEEST in Finland10:15
Stskeepsokay, if there's going to be somewhat less people from jolla, that is going to be entirely my fault.......10:15
Stskeepsi screwed internal booking10:15
Venemo_jStskeeps: what time did you book it?10:16
Stskeepsone hour before10:16
Venemo_jah10:17
* Stskeeps goes look for nearest balcony10:17
Venemo_jdon't jump!!!!10:17
tbrVenemo_j: yes, you're in CEST10:17
Venemo_jthanks tbr :)10:18
Venemo_jwhich channel is the meeting on?10:18
Stskeepsok, at least people have commited 30 mins of that timeslot.. should be okay10:18
TemeVVenemo_j, #mer-meeting10:18
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Venemo_jk10:18
Venemo_jnot sure I can participate, but I'll try to chime in10:19
SceltStskeeps: cool! I just remember your nick from the maemo (N900) times, year 2010 I guess. did you work for Nokia at that time?10:20
StskeepsScelt: well, subcontractor scum, yes10:20
Sceltokay10:21
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meowIs there an android app compatibility database?10:29
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Venemo_jAL13N, AL13N_work ping :)10:39
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stephg meow not that I know of10:40
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SceltStskeeps: do you know if anyone has managed to get two google accounts to android virtual machine? would be useful in google's own apps such as google drive. I just couldn't find a way to add another account since you can't access the android settings app10:47
StskeepsScelt: i'm not really at liberty to talk about google devices on jolla devices10:47
SceltStskeeps: oh, even there is an official android support? :P10:49
tbrScelt: I didn't bother much, but suspect you'd just need to trigger the account creation dialogue10:49
Stskeepser, google services10:49
Scelttbr: yeah but how is the question10:49
tbrScelt: let it be, he's probably gagged by a pile of very uncomfortable NDAs10:49
Scelttbr: :D10:50
Stskeepsthe paper tastes funny10:50
* Scelt letting Stskeeps be10:50
tbrScelt: as said, haven't bothered, one thought I had at some point was to just get the settings app working to some extent10:50
tbras that is in AOSP, it should be possible to strip it down to what's needed10:51
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Scelthmph10:52
SceltI tried to cycle through google's own apps to find one having possibility to just trigger the account dialog way the play store did the first time10:53
Stskeepsnot discussing the google aspect at all, couldn't you theoretically start up android settings apk?10:54
Scelthmph, maybe10:55
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tbrStskeeps: my point, exactly. in the second sentence I was already thinking further at modifying it for our needs.11:00
meowTrying to convince my boss that I should get the jolla :)11:01
meow"whats so special about this phone?"11:01
salami`for one it keeps crashing like no other :)11:02
inffy_:D11:03
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Yanielwat11:20
Yanielwent to gallery to enable the moonship ambience11:21
Yanielbut it enabled the camera ambience instead11:21
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TurskiYaniel: seen that too11:23
TurskiYaniel: did it already rename some other ambiences? :)11:23
Turskis/already/also/11:23
Yanielhaven't noticed11:23
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Turskii once saw that four ambiences were renamed when something went wrong11:24
Turskibut it wasn't on 1.0.511:24
netzviehno problems switching to moonship here11:24
Yanielnope11:24
Yanielit happened to me the first time now11:25
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Nicd-https://twitter.com/nirub/status/456003810415362049 heheh12:21
Plnt:DDD12:23
TemeV:D12:23
AL13N_work:-)12:23
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TemeVRemote control app would be nice :)12:24
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tbrJope: do you need a letter or can we just skip this and I give you a way to drop me the iso?12:25
* tbr forgot to send the letter last friday12:26
Nicd-TemeV: on demand VNC server on jolla, could be nice :P12:26
Stskeepsi'll first be able to make the dvd tuesday, fwiw12:26
Stskeepsbut already gave konsta the kernel12:27
Jopetbr, rules are rules! ;-)12:27
TemeVNicd-, yeah, VNC would of course be a solution12:27
Nicd-someone just needs to compile a vnc server for sailfish12:27
Stskeepshopefully we'll get in a better shape to deal with this stuff very soon, as this unholy sources mess gets sorted out..12:27
Stskeepsi can probably make a tarball to be put on the interweb this time around12:28
Jopedon't do that12:28
Jopethen that someone who wanted to make us run gets what he wants ;-)12:28
Stskeepspeople will still send the requests anyway :P12:28
Nicd-TemeV: maybe https://github.com/mer-qa/mervncserver12:28
JopeI personally took offence when reading about that12:28
JopeI ain't no monkey boy12:28
Stskeepsi was called monkey most of my primary school years ;(12:29
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Jopeaw :-(12:29
faenilawww12:30
Jopeblaah, I need to visit the post office.. I managed to sell an old symbian s60 device to someone on huutonet12:30
JopeI think I should increase my minimum price to 20e .. a tenner is not very motivating :-D12:31
faenilahaah :D12:33
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ppheh, I still have a 6600 and e70 somewhere, probably could ditch them12:38
ppstill have a n900 and n9 as backups!12:38
Nicd-E70!12:38
Nicd-give give give give12:39
Nicd-I loved my E70 but dropped it and it died :(12:39
ppit was a great little mobile ssh terminal12:39
Accehmm I might have my 6600 somewhere too.. it was nice phone at the time12:40
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JopeI have an E70 too12:50
Jopethe battery went all piglet on me though12:50
Jopeand damn that ui lag was terrible on it12:50
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Nicd-it was nice for IRC though12:51
Nicd-I remember using mIRGGI12:51
* tbr probably still has some BP-4L batteries that would fit an E7012:52
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Jopebl-6c is correct for the e7012:53
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Jopebl-5c and 4c will also work, but have a smaller capacity..12:53
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tbrah13:02
tbrmight have those too13:02
tbrif you need one, let me know13:02
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gabriel9|workis there a way to search packages(remote) with yum?13:51
coderuspkcon and zypper not enough?13:52
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PnuuI think it's weekly topic that someone asks if it's possible to use dpkg/yum/any-not-rpm-package-system13:53
gabriel9|worki am just curius how this rpm tools works13:54
Pnuuor was yum for rpm in suse?13:54
coderusits works better than dpkg ones13:54
tbrpfffz, just use rpm -q ;)13:54
gabriel9|workin mighty arch there is only pacman :D13:54
Pnuuwakawakawakawaka13:54
ggabrielhow do you do that with emerge?13:55
ggabriel:P13:55
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YanielPnuu: I want to use pacman13:57
Yanielactually aura would be even better13:58
Pnuu"I want to use install.exe!"13:58
Yanielyum is used in fedora13:58
Yanielfor rpm13:58
goroboroPnuu: is that possible... it would make life soooo much easier :P13:58
Pnuungh13:58
Yanielwhy can't we just have msi packages13:58
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Yaniellike in the *cough* good old *cough* times13:59
Pnuu"yes -> yes -> agree -> change directory -> yes -> yes"13:59
goroboroonly if we can see the estimated time to complete install13:59
goroboro5 minutes remaining14:00
goroboro2 hours remaining14:00
goroboro3 seconds remaining14:00
ggabrielbsod14:00
goroborothat is incredibly useful14:00
Pnuuggabriel: :-D14:00
gabriel9|workpamcan ftw14:02
gabriel9|workmaybe mer should be based on archlinux14:02
gabriel9|work:D14:02
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HtheBpacman14:05
Yanielupdates every day!14:05
clau3now you get haptic feedback when shutting down. very good14:05
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clau3now you know when to take off your finger, so you won't do a forced shutdown, hence corrupt btrfs14:06
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Stskeepsmeanwhile, a commercial for Firefox OS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJpK8cBjkQ14:13
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SceltStskeeps: :D14:15
ggabrielwhat sound does a sailfish do?14:15
w00tblub blub blub14:15
ggabriels/do/make/14:15
ggabrielor maybe zoom zoom zoom14:16
Pnuuwtf14:16
Stskeepsw00t: let's do one of these underwater.. in ice water!14:17
Stskeeps:P14:17
SceltI think sailfish shouts PERKELE like most of the Finns do when they come up from icy water14:18
Pnuukossua, perkele!14:18
YanielScelt: someone HAS to make a video clip of that14:20
Yaniela sailfish jumping out of the water between some icebergs14:20
Stskeepswhere's that video of marc dillon being in icy water with a jolla device..14:20
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clau3LINE has a native client for Firefox OS already?14:31
Stskeepsthere's no such thing as native firefox os app though14:32
Stskeepswell, as in, c/c++14:32
Stskeepsit might just be wrapped html5 client :P14:32
clau3I guess so14:32
Stskeepsi can tell as much, it's a pain to do things by the book in advertisements, getting OK's to use trademarks, etc14:33
clau3btw, I hope there are plans to fix the notifications for android apps, since currently most apps that use notifications are almost useless :(14:33
Stskeepsi don't personally know, sorry14:34
faenilalso, android notification use wrong icons most of the times14:34
faenilgtalk notifications have whatsapp icon, for example14:34
faenil(and this is random)14:34
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clau3a first nice step would be to map android notifications to system ones, but even so it won't be 100% reliable probably14:35
clau3btw, BB 10 has similar issues14:35
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lbtsailfishos meeting in #mer-meeting in 1min14:59
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Cimont_I was trying to ask this last saturday night but it was really quiet here. So has anybody else had this that some of the whats app notification pictures gets frozen to the start screen?15:34
YanielI have heard about it15:34
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Cimont_Have you heard about a solution to it?15:35
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clau2Cimont_, I don't know a solution, but, are you using the android whatsapp client? If so, there's also a native client, in case you want to give it a try.15:43
Cimont_yeah, i'm using the native one15:44
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clau2no idea then. coderus said he's working on a bigger release, which will include many bugfixes. there's no ETA yet, afaik.15:45
Nicd-Cimont_: then you should say mitakuuluu, not whatsapp :p15:45
Cimont_okay, it's not that of a big deal just that very ugly friend of mine is creeping  the hell out of me every time I open my phone15:47
Cimont_Nicd-: you're  right15:47
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oh8gnzhave you usd telegram (unofficial) client from yandex? is it ok?16:11
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oh8gnzis it usable?16:15
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clau2oh8gnz, I recommend that you install Aptoide from Jolla Store, and install Telegram from Aptoide.16:32
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clau2oh8gnz, you can get version 1.4.12 from there. I've tested it and it works fine, but I'm not actively using it.16:33
clau2except for notifications, but that's a general issue for android apps at this time16:34
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clau2also, someone (can't remember the name, sorry) is working on a native client. you'll find more information on together.jolla.com16:34
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Yanielnow just waiting for the meeting minutes..17:09
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mornfallhmm, rapid red blinking17:17
mornfalland green17:17
mornfalland still green... I guess it's battery removal time17:18
mornfalloh17:18
mornfallit came back17:18
mornfallconnection error17:18
mornfallbut opening settings freezes it again17:19
mornfallnow it's persistent red blink17:19
Stskeepsmornfall: ssh in; devel-su; gcore `pidof lipstick` ; gcore `pidof jolla-settings` ;  gcore `pidof connmand`17:22
Stskeepspretty please17:22
Stskeepswhen frozen17:22
mornfalltoo late :\ also, it didn't have a connection17:22
Stskeepsah, damn17:23
Stskeepsit's a very elusive bug17:23
mornfallI rebooted the AP17:23
mornfallmight be related17:23
Stskeepsyes17:23
mornfall(well, not exactly intentionally, I just dropped a live cable into water...)17:24
mornfallStskeeps: is USB networking alive at all times, on the phone side?17:25
Stskeepsnot afaik17:25
Stskeepsit depends17:25
mornfallI guess I could have tried to bring up network in the terminal17:26
mornfall(since the UI comes alive after a while, but you can't get into settings)17:26
Stskeepswell, plug in usb cable, should ask for options17:27
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mornfallStskeeps: even if settings is hung? :-)17:28
Stskeepsi'd think so17:29
mornfallwell, next time it happens I know what to do...17:29
Stskeepspkcon install gdb17:29
Stskeepsas well17:29
Stskeeps:P17:29
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TurskiStskeeps: got many reports on that issue?18:26
StskeepsTurski: a few here and there; it's the kind of thing i'd really like to find..18:26
TurskiStskeeps: have you got any dumps yet?18:26
Stskeepsnop :/18:26
Turski:/18:26
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szopin_sailingquestion: how to override default placement of make install libs in /usr/local to /usr? keep needing to manually cp .pc files and ldconfig (in chroot, but believe the same happens outside)18:51
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JvD_kimmoli: Is there a way to talk to i2c-1 without having root access?18:56
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kimmoliit should work after some update, amybe 1.0.4.2019:00
kimmoliskvark did notice that i2ctools works nicely even w/o root by accident.19:01
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skvarkyeah, it works without root19:02
memoryleak_good evening everyone19:02
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JvD_yes it works19:05
kimmolimakes things usefull19:05
JvD_I had the devaamo myhalf little twisted19:05
kimmolior usable -19:05
JvD_yep19:06
JvD_are you re-using your I2cif class from i2ctool on your other toh stuff?19:07
kimmolinot actually19:07
JvD_so you are re-implementin i2c functions19:08
kimmolitypically i write low-level c-routiness speifically to the component i use.19:08
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JvD_ok. but would it be less work if i2cwrite and i2cread where more generic and then implement device specific on top of that?19:09
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kimmolicould be, but i2c is not always so generic...19:11
JvD_=)19:11
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kimmoliand those ioctl things are abstract enough for me19:12
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szopin_sailingnemomobile-packages/libsdl-image is borked, ./configure generates makefile that cries lack of automake1.13? looks like makefile.in, rather than makefile19:40
szopin_sailingautogening results in errors with sdl_color19:40
szopin_sailingin bmp file wut?19:41
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szopin_sailingmy attempt at increasing the appspace: https://together.jolla.com/question/39620/request-xwayland/ atill no idea how this would work in practice for libs that are X specific (libXSDL2?) if app requires conflicting lib in X version20:08
skvarkJvD_: I wrote a generic class for reading/writing and then used it, works fine although those leds which I use do not follow the generic memory register paradigm20:08
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szopin_sailors: is xwayland even considered? or do you rxpect community to come up with it? seeing how many apps this can bring if jolla support is out of the question we should probably thinkbof KS campaign or something20:50
rangoyhow do i switch to the 10th running app?20:50
specialrangoy: launcher icon20:50
szopin_patch lipstick20:50
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specialszopin_: what would you need from sailors for it?20:51
szopin_guidance if not provide20:52
szopin_all those llvmpipe stuff20:52
cxl000 szopin_  X has been  actively removed20:52
rangoyspecial: whete is that?20:52
szopin_howblibhybris works, weston has docs20:52
szopin_where is doc of jolla stack?20:52
specialrangoy: launcher icons are what you use to start the application. If it's already running, it will be activated instead20:52
szopin_following wesron xwayland inatructionsbruns into wall right after start20:53
rangoyspecial: ah.. not any other way?20:53
cxl000but I have an old xwayland patched X server in OBS20:54
szopin_comparing to n900 simple git clone/make/make install it is a jungle20:54
szopin_you have working xwayland???20:55
szopin_cxl000: yeah, on 1.0.2.5 libX11-devel was pkcon installable20:56
cxl000only tested on x86 and openpandora. needed some updated packages so might break sfos20:57
szopin_cxl000: what's your tmo handle?20:58
cxl000dont have one20:58
szopin_:(20:58
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szopin_any contact outside irc?20:59
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