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KabouikHey guys, I just purchased an Android app from Amazon store and in the Appstore in Jolla, the download fails00:38
KabouikIs there any way to get the apk from my computer and transfer it to the Jolla?00:39
Oni^Kabouik: try http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/00:40
KabouikDoes it work for Amazon store?00:41
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KabouikLooks like it doesn't work :(00:50
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KabouikNobody knows? I've just paid for an app I can't download :<01:01
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Kabouik:/01:11
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KabouikIs there anyone here who succeeds downloading apps from the Amazon Appstore cloud?01:18
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Siddeif the led is blinking green very fast and screen is unresponsive. What does that mean?06:03
Stskeepsssh in?06:04
Siddei'm not connected to any wifi06:05
Stskeepsokay06:05
Stskeepswhen did it start doing it approximately?06:05
Stskeepscircumstances06:05
Siddethat is what i was trying to do when it started doing this06:05
Siddeonce i had similar problem connecting to wifi and the led started blinking red very fast06:06
Siddebut now it's blinking green. So i'm guessing it's different error codes06:07
Siddenow it stopped blinking green and instead turned into a steady red06:09
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Siddeand now it rebooted :D06:10
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Stskeepssteady red = shutting down06:12
Siddethe problem solved itself. But i have only had problems with the wifi at work and never at home. I'm guessing that there is something flaky with the wifi driver. Something it does not like but works most of the times06:12
Siddeboth uses wpa2-psk06:14
tbrwifi chipset interactions can be really obscure06:14
* tbr has seen plenty of those in the day06:15
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tbrTI and its wilink5 chipset was quite "famous" in some configurations06:16
tbralso I have an intel chipset that _really_ hates weak signal conditions on the broadcom chipset of my WNDR3700. It will lock up and reboot the wifi card. resulting in loss of network for 30-60s06:17
Stskeepsmorn tbr06:18
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KiranosStskeeps: after latest update, going from wlan to 3g data is very slow, was much faster before last update, when I leave home I have to wait a pretty long time before I can use spotify. Did something change in last firmware that might cause this?06:22
StskeepsKiranos: it's 'when walking out the door it still looks like it's connected'?06:22
KiranosIt says no internet connection06:22
Kiranosand its when I go outside my wlan range06:22
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Kiranosand it should auto to 3g06:22
Kiranosit does but it takes a long time06:22
Stskeepsperhaps lpotter can help answer06:23
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Kiranoslpotter: ^ if your around06:23
lpotterhmm?06:23
Kiranoslpotter: if you can read the last few lines06:25
Kiranosabout wlan to 3g takes a while before 3g gets connected06:25
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lpotterfew reasons why that might be.. usually connman is slow to remove the old AP06:27
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Kiranosok, it was faster before last update, I've seen a noticable longer time for it to connect to the 3g when I leave home06:35
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spiiroinSidde: red = ui is not responsive during display on->off transition ; green = the same for display off->on transition07:24
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Siddespiiroin: thanks08:41
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lbthey matrixx10:10
lbterr - oops - was scrolled back a lot :)10:10
ggabriellbt: beware it's no longer the weekend and you gotta pay the rent ;-)10:12
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lbt*g*10:14
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matrixxlbt: you can say hi to me anytime, no need for reason :)10:39
lbt*g*10:39
lbtand I've missed you - been far too long since I was in .fi10:40
lbthmm... when's Devaamo10:41
chem|stwould be nice to not overwrite unchanged configs with default ones... now I have no log of a lipstick hickup from last night...10:41
lbtchem|st: you mean changed?10:41
chem|stall screens became one and launcher started to show like in edit mode background but without10:42
tbrlbt: depends, currently there is an idea floting to have it in early autumn10:42
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matrixxlbt: too far indeed10:44
chem|stlbt: not exactly, what you mean is if user changed config do not overwrite, I mean the debian way, do not write config files if the package gets updated and no changes happened to the config package wise10:44
lbttbr: cool - looking fwd to it10:44
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lbtchem|st: worth logging an issue - at the very least they should be backed up10:45
lbtmatrixx: we shall have to reserve some time for a proper session!10:46
chem|stlbt: simple post-install script to check if installed or upgraded, if installed write config if upgraded only write if previous package default differes from current...10:46
chem|stlbt: tjc for the config part?10:47
lbtchem|st: it's probably bad packaging - not marked %config10:47
lbtyes10:47
lbtand rpmish should handle that10:47
* lbt goes back to his writing ... o/10:48
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Yanielffs tracker, get your ship together10:57
YanielI mean come on, one does not expect half an album to just... never show up10:57
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jussiwhat is the hole on the top of the phone for? top left?11:01
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Accealternative mic?11:07
stephgyeah isn't it noise cancellation11:07
stephg?11:07
tbrthere are two Mics, correct11:08
chem|stis the UI lipstick or silica, I mean the launcher + home-screen11:09
chem|stlipstick is the actual desktop isn't it?11:10
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matrixxlbt: sure, I have probably forgot everything in lack of practise :/11:11
lbt*g* it'll all come back11:12
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jussiis anyone working on KDE connect for Jolla ?11:20
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* matrixx just won a younited hoodie in twitter \o/11:28
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kimmoli\o/11:29
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* ggabriel must avoid arguing trivial stuff in tjc :S12:27
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mornfallconnman is super-confused once again :\14:04
mornfallis it really so hard to find a working network setup thingy?14:04
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netzviehmhh my jolla keeps it's IP when switching from hotspot wlan to home wlan, shouldn't be that way :(14:46
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ggabrielnetzvieh: that depends on a bunch of things :)14:50
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netzviehggabriel: please elaborate :)14:50
ggabrielnetzvieh: in a bit14:50
netzviehthanks :)14:51
ggabrielnetzvieh: long story short, it's possible14:51
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tbrMeeting starts in one minute on #mer-meeting!14:58
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laehtistbr: thanks for info!15:04
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ggabrielnetzvieh: basically, if your hotspot and your ap use the same net and your dhcp server isn't too restrictive, it's ok for the phone to keep the ip address15:13
ggabrielfwiw, y dhcp server assigns a static ip to my phone, so it changes most of the time15:14
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netzviehmhh, my hotspot gives 192.168.43. IPs, my home network 192.168.0. both are /24 so that's problematic15:32
ggabrielnetzvieh: can the jolla access internet in both places?15:33
netzviehsadly I can't do a thing with my dhcp server config wise (shitty router, and I didn't have time to get another one)15:33
netzviehggabriel: yep15:34
ggabrieland you are 100% sure that your home network is /24 and not /16? :)15:34
ggabrielso, netmask 255.255.255.0 and not 255.255.0.015:34
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netzviehggabriel: ip a s on my desktop tells me 192.168.0.14/24 ;)15:39
ggabrielnetzvieh: then it doesn't make sense15:40
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netzviehggabriel: yes. might be a problem with the router, but my laptops don't have that problem after being connected to hotspot and then switching to homenetwork15:41
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ShadowJKdevice is getting hot, please close all apps :(15:50
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tbronce again a very good meeting16:35
laehtistbr: indeed. Though first time for me, was a pleasure to see how good the community is16:35
ggabrielglad it went well16:36
ggabrielyou guys aiming for a weekly meeting?16:36
tbrfor the moment16:36
tbronce the major things are ironed out we'll switch to biweekly16:36
ggabrielgood stuff16:37
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KiranosI'm in need of a jolla armband which fits for running16:38
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Kiranosis there an android phone with the same measurments I can buy a case for?16:38
ggabrielKiranos: the sony xperia sp is almost exactly the same16:38
tbrKiranos: hmmm, depends on how snug the fit. I have good experience with belt pockets for Nexus416:38
tbrif there is a rectangular phone that would be a much better reference though16:39
ggabrielKiranos: maybe a couple of mm smaller16:39
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Kiranosggabriel: which is smaller, the jolla?16:40
ggabrieli personally use my hand to hold the phone because i like to live my life dangerously16:40
ggabrielKiranos: the sony xperia16:40
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Kiranostbr: suggestion of nexus 4 is a bit larger than sony xperia sp16:42
Kiranosso it might be a good fit16:42
tbrKiranos: the downside there is that it has round corners16:42
tbrbut otherwise almost the same dimensions16:42
ggabrielsame with the xperia, but they're not as rounded as the nexus 4 iirc16:42
Kiranosok thanks!16:43
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Kiranosggabriel: tbr will probably go with http://www.amazon.co.uk/iGadgitz-Neoprene-Sports-Jogging-Armband-Classic-Black/dp/B00CA1Y9S6 seems like a good fit16:47
ggabriellooks ok16:48
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ggabrielvolume buttons won't work :P16:48
Kiranosthat doesnt matter16:49
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ggabrielyou just crank it up to 11, don't you? :)16:50
Kiranosyep :) all the way up16:50
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tbrheadphone hole is probably misaligned16:59
ggabrieltbr: good point17:02
ggabrielbut that's easy to fix ;-)17:02
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Sail0rnow twitter is completly useless -.-18:10
Sail0rand it does not log anything to journalctl18:12
Sail0rwhen it freezes18:12
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Sail0rwhat the fuck happend to my phone after the update :(. Email settings cannot be opened it only says "Settings not responding", Twitter manual update leads to a complete hang of lipstick, automatic updates are not working anymore18:15
Sail0rand nothing in journalctl18:16
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ggabrielSail0r: i'm assuming you're calling journalctl as root18:16
Sail0rjep18:16
ggabrielinteresting18:17
ggabrielyou do have plenty of space in the relevant file systems, right?18:17
Sail0rrootfs                 14G  5.1G  8.3G  39% /18:17
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Sail0rvar systemlog has also plenty of space18:18
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Sail0rthat's the only thing i see when it happens: http://nopaste.info/15fce54c79.html18:20
ggabrielSail0r: i have no clue, and it definitely doesn't happen to me - i have twitter and can access email settings no problem18:20
Sail0rhm strange18:21
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TurskiSail0r: are you using wlan?18:21
Sail0rwlan and 3g is the same18:21
Sail0r*result18:21
TurskiSail0r: because i've noticed some major freezes with wlan18:21
Turskiso bad that i've disabled whole wlan18:21
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Turskiconnmann freezes and jams whole lipstick somehow18:22
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ggabrielcorrection: twitter doesn't work any more for me :P18:22
Stskeepsi found it happening in wifi_free() which was a bit unusual18:22
Sail0roO18:22
Sail0rfreezes?18:23
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ggabrielSail0r: no, just doesn't update, will try to reauthenticate - ont sure our problems are similar18:23
Sail0r2 days ago it stopped with updates18:23
Sail0rand if i hit update it freeezes18:23
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TurskiStskeeps: oh, you have found something?18:24
Sail0rit does not even sent packets towards twitter18:24
Sail0rif i can trust tcpdump on my def gw ;)18:24
ggabrielok, twitter fixed18:25
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Sail0rreauthed?18:25
StskeepsTurski: yeah a bit but having problems jugging with debug symbols18:25
ggabrielSail0r: yup18:26
Stskeeps+juggling18:26
Sail0rit constantly says onlinecheck failed for <ssid>18:26
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Sail0rmaybe i just try a reboot ;)18:27
Sail0rmaybe it starts ilogging afterwards18:27
Sail0rk reboot fixed the twitter problem, but i wonder what it caused18:29
Sail0rsettings also started working now oO wtf18:30
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teve20:33 < bshah> krop: something related to automoc..18:35
teve20:33 < bshah> krop: something related to automoc..18:35
teve20:33 < bshah> krop: something related to automoc..18:35
teve20:33 < bshah> krop: something related to automoc..18:35
tevesorry18:37
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cvphi18:40
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KaaczSail0r: what about btrfs problem? https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/19:04
Sail0rbut this wouldn't be resolved by a reboot?19:04
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Kaacztry # " btrfs fi show" under root ..19:05
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Kaaczif in line with devid is size and used same, there is problem .. :)19:06
Kaaczthen will be good run balance19:07
Kaaczall is in that thread ..19:07
Sail0r        devid    1 size 13.75GB used 8.75GB path /dev/mmcblk0p2819:08
Kaaczah. time for beer degustation .. bye :)19:08
Sail0reverything ok but thx for the tip19:08
Kaaczok, btrfs looks ok ..19:08
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szopin_sailingis wayland 1.2(1.3) planned/in the works?20:26
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szopin_sailingasking because someone recently brought up on tmo wayland-friendly project (mpv), that is on 1.2 since 6 months20:29
szopin_sailingif we're expecting everything x to move to wayland, having outdated wayland will be a major pain20:30
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chem|stszopin_sailing: you are better off asking it on the develML or is #sailfishos I think20:31
szopin_sailingthere are some jolla guys here no?20:32
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szopin_sailingbecause it does seem like a major compatibility component, kernel like, like with n900, too old kernel=no new things, but as new things move to wayland right now there will be no old things, if/when vlc move to wayland it will be 1.3(4,5?)20:35
szopin_sailingbackporting to wayland 1.1 is always an option, waylandpower kind of thing20:36
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szopin_sailingtaken to #sailfishos, thx20:41
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chem|stszopin_sailing: ;)20:52
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