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mornfallhmm, seems the only way to paste from a computer to jolla is ssh, sqlite3 into the notes app, insert the string as a new note, then run the notes app, select the text and copy it... kinda awkward if you ask me :P00:33
mornfallcf. https://together.jolla.com/question/17195/question-how-to-access-clipboard-from-the-command-line/00:33
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pdanek1Does anyone of Sailors and open-source fans, consider buying Google Glass?00:34
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mornfallnot me, at least not for half a dozen or so iterations00:47
mornfallalso, early adoption is expensive and pushing cash into google sounds like a non-starter to me :-)00:47
M4rtinKI've looked at the specs and it looks rather primitive :)00:54
M4rtinKlet me know once it can superimpose objects into a scene, so that you can't decide which are real and which not without removing the glasses :)00:55
M4rtinKBTW, for a good "further reading" how advanced augmented reality deployment could look like, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennō_Coil00:56
mornfallM4rtinK: you are talking about a production technology :P what did you expect? :)00:58
M4rtinKmornfall: well, bigger field of view & for both eyes01:00
M4rtinKmornfall: also having two camera that are so that you can use stereoscopic tricks01:01
pdanek1wow, there seems to be anime about everything01:01
mornfallM4rtinK: and poor battery life, too heavy to be practical plus a $5k price tag? :)01:01
M4rtinKpdanek1: yeah, pretty much :)01:01
M4rtinKmornfall: battery backpack, ghost-busters style ? :D01:02
M4rtinKmornfall: well, the biggest issue I have with Google Glass is the integration with Googles cloud bullshit01:03
mornfallM4rtinK: being wired to your backpack sucks real bad :P01:03
mornfallit's bad enough to be wired to your clothing via earphones...01:04
M4rtinKI think it is giving a bad name to a rather interesting technology and scaring people away from it01:04
pdanek1http://youtu.be/LuMv29nKo2k01:04
mornfallpdanek1: yeah, under $100k :D01:05
pdanek1what01:06
pdanek1Meta is a regular Kickstarter project01:06
pdanek1for masses01:06
pdanek1not so expensive01:06
mornfallpdanek1: the video description says "The largest augmented reality optics in the world under $100,000"01:06
mornfallwhatever that means01:07
pdanek1yes, means they developed it for that price01:07
pdanek1:)01:07
pdanek1kickstarter goal was 100k01:07
pdanek1but they finally pledged 200k01:07
mornfallalso, the handwaving stuff shown in the video is pretty solid BS :P01:07
pdanek1costs about $70001:09
pdanek1Do you know Steve Mann?01:09
pdanek1he is their chief scientist01:09
pdanek1from what I read01:10
pdanek1his whole life is about augmented reality01:10
M4rtinKthe only question remains:01:11
pdanek1the video is just marketing... I wouldn't buy Meta is this phase01:11
pdanek1but it seems promising01:11
M4rtinKfor how much will Facebook buy them ? :)01:11
pdanek1more than G. Glass01:11
pdanek1hehe01:11
M4rtinKonce they are kickstarted by other peoples money :)01:11
mornfallpdanek1: you mean $3650? :)01:11
mornfallpdanek1: for $700 you get a goggle-style developer edition01:11
pdanek1ah right01:12
pdanek1yes, I read now01:12
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pdanek1btw, whoever made their web, should be replaced01:13
mornfall:D01:14
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mornfallpdanek1: https://www.atheerlabs.com/ :)01:25
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mornfallso google glass is now, meta is in half a year, atheer in a year, that's like iteration 301:27
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mornfall75 grams sounds manageable, but the wire sucks01:28
mornfall180g for the meta less so...01:30
mornfallespecially compared to 50g google glass :-)01:30
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pdanekCan you imagine Google buying Jolla?03:02
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pdanek1Google deciding to replace / evolve their OS, with Android compatibility stack there, but strategy to move developers out of Java, to eventually dismiss Java from Android.03:05
pdanek1Is anything like that even remotely possible?03:05
pdanek1If you get your imagination fly?03:05
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Accedude, if you've noticed, it's FB buying stuff. so, will fb buy jollafor gazillion?07:55
Accethen we get oculus-jolla-whatsrift07:56
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ppswipe-left-to-like?08:12
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Waiteeso people are speculating if fb buys jolla? :D08:15
Waiteei wouldnt be so concerned08:16
Waiteejolla after all isnt anything revolutionary08:16
Waiteeit's just another phone08:16
Waiteealthough i like it very much and there's i2c and shit08:16
Waiteebut still why would fb care to buy a small finnish startup phone company?08:17
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Waiteethere's dozens of small chinese companies that make android phones with better specs than jolla08:18
Quumodular-fb-phone08:21
Quuyou need to have "like" module to like stuff08:21
Waiteebut there's like zte and motorola doing real modular phones :D08:22
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Waiteewhy would anyone be interested in jolla if they want something modular08:22
ppLike-TOH! With sensors to invade your privacy and send data to zuckerbergs skynet08:23
Waiteewe all know toh really is very clumsy in comparison to the phoneblocks concept :D08:23
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Waiteethe i2c technology accepts many modules simultaneously but nobody wants a bulky smartphone :D08:24
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Waiteethe phoneblocks concept really is a lot more promising and there's google helping them08:26
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Waiteejolla's TOH concept is nice for a hacker or tinkerer but for the average guy it's just a feature you're never gonna use08:27
Quuunless jolla sells TOH's with nice features08:27
Acceimo i2c is a start, but something faster will be needed in the future08:27
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ppusb would be nice :-)08:28
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Accebut well, jolla is more about sailfish than the phone.. so, sailfish for phoneblocks / ara would be nice08:29
Waiteetrue08:29
ppI've sort of wondered why they didn't come up with a usb "slot" for laptops, which would fit in a wifi/bt/whatnot dongle + connector (or just a simple passthrough usb port)08:30
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Waiteeiirc jolla said in the release that they aim to be a software developer rather than a phone manufacturer08:30
Waiteebut if facebook would be buying a smartphone company it would be some really revolutionary08:32
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Accewell.. imo whatsapp isnt very revolutionary.. at least not compared to oculus08:45
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Waiteetrue08:53
Waiteebut it's the biggest mobile communications platform08:53
Waiteeskype isnt very revolutionary too08:53
Waiteebut as with whatsapp it's very big08:54
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laehtisI'm looking forward to Whatsapp voice call feature, it's dpmination gets even bigger09:46
laehtissoon regular sms/phone calls become useless09:46
Waiteei doubt that09:48
Waiteein bigger cities perhaps where 3G/4G has a good signal09:49
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Sail0rnot in germany where dataplans are so expensive ...09:50
* ggabriel looks forward to when voip becomes more popular and anyone can do it regardless of service provider.....09:54
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laehtisyes, in Finland operators haven't made the change yet, ypu can get unlimited 24mbps speed 3G for like 20e/month10:02
laehtiswith sms/calls10:03
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Waiteeit isnt very good business really for the operators to have unlimited 3g/4g access10:05
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Pnuulaehtis: I have 24/3 Mbps for 9.90 e/month from saunalahti10:07
Pnuusome free calls and sms's, too10:08
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Sail0rwe have 1gb per month for 2510:10
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laehtisPnuu: Nice, for me currently 24mbps 3000min calls 3000sms 19,90e10:25
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laehtisSail0r: how about German 3G/4G coverage?10:51
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TMavicawhats is command the reset the pulseaudio, my Jolla keeping muted..i not in silence mode15:41
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pdanek1Facebook buys Jolla!15:50
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raa70cool15:55
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Turskipdanek1: april 1st was 3 weeks ago16:02
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AcceJolla buys Facebook16:22
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Sailor-2getherthe quick settings menu is nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbwb9B3aPUQ&feature=youtu.be16:28
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shanttuis it safe to remove /opt/lipstick-pandora/qml folder and reboot? (=do i need to go to recovery mode?)16:39
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matrixxstill having a problem with the android app support17:07
matrixxI uninstalled all android apps, and finally the support by itself, but the icons stay in homescreen for all uninstalled android apps, that can't be right?17:08
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matrixxalso I tried installing android support and some apps back, and they still crash at the launch :/17:09
matrixxsoo.. I'm asking which is the safest way from terminal to remove everything android related to start over?17:09
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Eztranmatrixx: Schturman has a script on OpenRepos to nuke everything related to Dalvik at https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/dalvik-cleanup . All the used commands are listed on that page if you want to do it yourself.17:28
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matrixxEztran: cool, thanks17:32
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matrixxI was just going through the /opt/alien/ and /data dirs and noticed there was quite a lot of stuff even when all possible uninstallation through UI was done17:33
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matrixxmaybe in some future update we could get a cleaner uninstaller in the cases something goes wrong17:33
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Mirvmatrixx: my friend has one app that crashes on launch if the newest version is used, and otherwise works :S I haven't checked if Paarlampi fixed it or not.17:38
Mirvno other problems with other Android apps, and I've the same app's newest version working. weird.17:38
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matrixxMirv: all android apps have somwhat worked before paarlampi, but after the update any don't launch17:40
matrixxI guess something went foobar in the update cause don't know anyone else with the same problem17:41
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Venemo_jmatrixx: create a post on together for this, and give us a link to vote :)17:42
matrixxVenemo_j: there was actually one, but closed as answered17:42
Venemo_jmatrixx: lol17:42
matrixxhttps://together.jolla.com/question/13805/android-support-not-working-apps-not-loading/ this17:43
Venemo_jhm17:43
matrixxearlier I've had also this not launching problem, but always a reboot has helped17:43
Venemo_jI'm on a crappy 2G connection, so can't really open it17:43
matrixxit's waiting for you at the buffer if wanna see it later :)17:44
Venemo_jmatrixx: btw, I've been using your blue ambience and it's great :)17:44
matrixxVenemo_j: great, I'm very glad you've liked it :)17:45
Venemo_jmatrixx: it's great.17:45
Venemo_jmatrixx: there are actually not many good ones, but yours is just awesome :)17:46
matrixxthanks, I've used some earlier on WP and N9 and kinda missed them on Jolla, needed to create ambiences of them17:47
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Venemo_j:)17:51
matrixxyey, the schturman's nuke everything android script works, at least yandex store don't crash at launch anymore :)17:55
matrixxneed to download some others too, but I think the problem is gone17:55
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Venemo_jmatrixx: nice :)18:20
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dispersedis it possible / straightforward to grab the code of the documents app and modify it?19:39
Stskeepswhat'd you like to improve?19:41
dispersedi would like automatic scrolling, because my finger tires of swiping... I have pdfs formatted in single column, fast to read etc.19:42
dispersedit's even hard to focus with eyes with the constant acceleration and deceleration going on19:42
Stskeeps:nod:19:43
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Stskeepsif you're patient, there'll be news in this particular area in the near future19:43
Stskeepsqml should probably be on the device though19:43
dispersedso it would be possible to edit it directly? but I think if there's already work in progress, I'll just wait :)19:44
dispersedthanks for the input19:45
dispersedi'm unfamiliar with the basic OS so I have no idea how to find the files for a package etc.19:46
CoderCandyI got myself a surface pro 2 today19:48
CoderCandy... I can barely use the windows metro19:48
CoderCandyI'm to used to sailfish gestures19:48
CoderCandySo I always try to minimise by swiping in from the side19:48
CoderCandyand close by swiping from the top19:48
CoderCandyBut noo, I have to press a stupid home button :(19:48
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ortylpdoes anyone know how to fix missing audio from android apps?20:01
ortylpI have tried workaround specified in https://together.jolla.com/question/4101/android-apps-loses-audio-resolved/ but it does not work any more20:01
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