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| Nicd- | did you see this yet? http://www.thejollablog.com/elisa-launched-jolla-phone-estonia/ | 04:53 |
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| Waitee | all over the news in finland | 06:26 |
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| Nicd- | it is? | 06:34 |
| Nicd- | all I can see is Nokia stuff | 06:36 |
| Waitee | well not actually all over | 06:36 |
| Waitee | :D | 06:36 |
| Nicd- | all over = I found one article in Lapin kansa? | 06:36 |
| Waitee | i thought i read about it on yle | 06:37 |
| Waitee | cant find the article | 06:37 |
| Waitee | : | 06:37 |
| Waitee | :D | 06:37 |
| Waitee | my bad | 06:37 |
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| ln- | what is all over? | 06:39 |
| Nicd- | http://www.thejollablog.com/elisa-launched-jolla-phone-estonia/ | 06:39 |
| ln- | oh, estonia? | 06:39 |
| Waitee | i guess i shouldn't answer "your mom" | 06:39 |
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| ggabriel | lol | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | m$'s mobile ad is named "not like everyone else" | 08:54 |
| ggabriel | srsly? | 08:54 |
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| Waitee | and? | 08:56 |
| Waitee | i dont see whats wrong with that ad :D | 08:57 |
| leinir | that's not too unlike something else you might have seem... ;) | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | not like everyone/everybody else == unlike | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | i.e., cp -r jolla microsoft | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | or rather, xcopy /r as they don't use unix | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | it's just a marketing message in both sides tho | 08:58 |
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| Waitee | yes, it's a similiar advert | 08:58 |
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| Waitee | i dont see anything wrong with it though | 08:59 |
| Waitee | it's not infringing ip of jolla | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | the copying bit is wrong IMO | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | but that's just me | 09:00 |
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| ggabriel | on another note, i was pretty impressed yesterday with the call quality of the jolla... | 09:00 |
| Waitee | well it's like "coca cola - real taste, zero sugar" versus "pepsi max - max taste no sugar" | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | i'm pretty certain i walked under a bridge in a train station where there is no signal and i could continue speaking | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: yeah, i won't argue, it's just my opinion. | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | at any rate, if m$ wants to be at the same height of jolla (or thinks they are), surely that's a good thing for jolla | 09:01 |
| Waitee | lol :D | 09:01 |
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| Waitee | that #unlike thing is like a keyword everywhere with jolla | 09:02 |
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| Waitee | i suppose the "not like everyone else" stuff is just on a couple of adds | 09:03 |
| Waitee | ads even | 09:03 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i should use it more often | 09:03 |
| ggabriel | i was reading the cnet article fwiw | 09:03 |
| ggabriel | the one that says that elop was a trojan | 09:03 |
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| Waitee | well i believe there was more wrong with nokia than just elop | 09:03 |
| ggabriel | hiring elop was nokia's fault at the end of the day | 09:04 |
| Jope | nokia needed a lot of fat trimmed | 09:04 |
| nahkiss | "nokia's fault" | 09:04 |
| Jope | but I can't help but think that he went with the wrong os :-D | 09:04 |
| nahkiss | who is nokia afterl all | 09:04 |
| ggabriel | s/fault/responsibility/ | 09:04 |
| nahkiss | shareholders? | 09:04 |
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| Waitee | i've heard the symbian bosses knowingly tried to make it tough for meego team | 09:04 |
| ggabriel | nahkiss: board | 09:04 |
| nahkiss | the ones who suffer now aren't the ones who made the decision | 09:04 |
| Waitee | since they knew symbian is going down | 09:05 |
| Jope | waitee well that's not exactly accurate either.. | 09:05 |
| Jope | it's more like .. hmm .. | 09:05 |
| Waitee | Jope: that's just what i heard | 09:05 |
| Jope | well yes | 09:05 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't say symbian was going down | 09:05 |
| Jope | but as I said not accurate in that wording | 09:05 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: yes it was | 09:05 |
| Jope | nokia's power structure was basically such that people in high places had a lot of influence | 09:05 |
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| Jope | so if someone preferred symbian, then symbian was king | 09:05 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: from a user perspective, it still behaves better than android/ios | 09:05 |
| Jope | so yeah perhaps there was some meego oppression in there too | 09:06 |
| Waitee | my father had N8 | 09:06 |
| Jope | but IMO it was more like symbian promotion in everything | 09:06 |
| Waitee | now he has huawei ascend P6 | 09:06 |
| Waitee | the n8 was just a miserable piece of shit to be honest :D | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: i have a sony xperia sp | 09:06 |
| * rigo likes meego oppression | 09:06 | |
| ggabriel | my email client crashed quite a few times | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | and that never happened in my 5800 | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | also, symbian could multitask | 09:07 |
| Waitee | i had htc wildfire for 4 years before jolla | 09:07 |
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| ggabriel | so, depends what you want it for | 09:07 |
| Waitee | it was shit | 09:07 |
| Waitee | nothing worked with it | 09:07 |
| rigo | and symbian phones were still alive after one week in the wild without charger | 09:07 |
| Waitee | but then again you just need to buy a good android phone | 09:07 |
| * tbr was quite happy with his 9300 | 09:07 | |
| Waitee | not a crappy cheap one | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | symbian needed work, granted, but i don't think that technology wise it was bad | 09:07 |
| tbr | but that was series90 | 09:07 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: it wasnt necessarily bad, but it was late and it used old tech | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: yes, of course, loads of archs to support and all that | 09:08 |
| rigo | ggabriel: the energy efficiency was good but the lagging terrible, so may be there was a link | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | so, all that needed work | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | rigo: my xperia sp lags as badly as my 5800 fwiw | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | and it's 3-4x faster | 09:08 |
| Waitee | and i never had a problem with android not multitasking :D | 09:09 |
| rigo | my N9 doesn't lag at all! | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | rigo: granted, compared to meego, symbian was oldish | 09:09 |
| Waitee | my mother has N9 and she likes it | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: i do have trouble with that | 09:09 |
| rigo | does the jolla lag? | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | it's actually pretty bad that we're back in the dark ages of 286-like processors | 09:09 |
| Waitee | rigo: top end android apps tend to lag | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | rigo: depends | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | rigo: mostly, it's super fast | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | but if you ask too much of it/msyncd gets hung doing stuff, then it may lag | 09:10 |
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| ar | Jolla is less laggy than xperia z | 09:10 |
| rigo | Waitee: this is a security feature in Android :) | 09:10 |
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| ggabriel | android, on the other hand, lags constantly all the time, so i guess that the experience is consistent | 09:10 |
| Waitee | rigo: what is? | 09:10 |
| * ggabriel hasn't tried android yet in the jolla | 09:10 | |
| rigo | Waitee: the lagging of your android app | 09:10 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: android lagging depends a lot on the actual device :D | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: the xperia sp is "faster" than the jolla | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | and it lags worse than the n9 | 09:11 |
| Waitee | there's so many android phones out there with bad specs you cant just say "android lags" :D | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: 1.7GHz dual core is bad spcs? | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | (1GB RAM) | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | my galaxy s3 lagged all the time :x | 09:12 |
| rigo | hm, reminds me of windows vista | 09:12 |
| rigo | or KDE 4.7 | 09:12 |
| Waitee | it's true android is full of shitty java | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | i'll just buy an amd laptop with an arm core and run android there | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | it may not lag | 09:12 |
| rigo | only worked with 3Ghz quadcore 8GB RAM and SSD | 09:12 |
| rigo | Waitee: it is not full, it is Google's copy of | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | more than shitty java, i suspect shitty g-engineering | 09:12 |
| rigo | Oracle just lost the litigation agianst Google for copying the entire java spec | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | rigo: i thought they were going to have another go [oracle | 09:13 |
| Waitee | no idea on that end, but i guess it's safe to say jolla isnt near as bloat as android is | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: you're right - "bloat" is the first thing i thought when i got this sony phone | 09:14 |
| rigo | I don't think so, the court was pretty clear (and supportedy by many) that protection of header files was a/ not original and b/ would lead to an undue technology monopoly that is normally coverd only by patents | 09:14 |
| Waitee | on the quadcore devices android works fine though | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: it lags on sgs3 (4x core)... | 09:15 |
| Waitee | well, my fathers ascend p6 works without lag | 09:15 |
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| Waitee | he's just been cursing everything about N8 | 09:16 |
| rigo | most of the guys with android devices have a pocket recharger for theirquadcore device and some pocket fan to cool it :) | 09:16 |
| Waitee | :D | 09:16 |
| Waitee | my jolla heats more running candy crush saga than any android phone i've used | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | rigo: i'm 90% sure that they managed to appeal, and of course it takes years | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: you should compare native with native | 09:17 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: true | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | the fact that the jolla can run apk is a bonus | 09:17 |
| Waitee | :D | 09:17 |
| Waitee | i know | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | granted, jolla has to do something re gaming | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | and the phone will be perfect for that | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | not sure it's a priority tho | 09:18 |
| joonahoi | i bet jolla is just trying to give you valuable thermal feedback to discourage you to play it | 09:18 |
| Waitee | i do love my jolla very much over any other phone but im defending android because i dont want to be a damn apple fanboy | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: i suppose android has 1 or 2 good things | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | they just aren't the ones i look for in a phone | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | for business use, ios is much better, even more open than android, which is surprising | 09:19 |
| Waitee | well when i got my jolla i thought it would've been a better choice to buy a nexus 4 | 09:20 |
| flux | the #1 android app I use on Jolla is Firefox. maybe some day that will change, but it doesn't seem likely too soon :/ | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: if you aren't interested in reception quality, maybe | 09:20 |
| Waitee | well the hardware of jolla is cheap made in china :D | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: they're both made in china, and yet the jolla has much better reception than the n4/5 | 09:21 |
| Waitee | well if i press the n4/5 back anywhere it doesnt say "no simcard installed" :D | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | flux: you remind me i should download ff in my android phone :P | 09:22 |
| Waitee | just saying | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: that doesn't happen to the jolla in fairness | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | to my jolla* | 09:22 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: try pressing on the simcard slot | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: did that already | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | at any rate, the sim card gets detected again | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | you can't fix reception on the n4/5 | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | they're not designed well | 09:23 |
| Waitee | my friends with n4/5 havent had anything to complain about them | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | i managed to test them both indoors with the same network | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | and compare them with an iphone 4 (grip of death!) | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | iphone 4 had better reception | 09:24 |
| Waitee | not comparing to iphone :D | 09:24 |
| Waitee | i won't touch that shit | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | that pretty much trashed the nexus's | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | the jolla is better than the iphone 4 | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | so there you go | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: that "shit" has better reception than the nexus's indoors :) | 09:24 |
| Waitee | only thing i hate about apple is the mobile phone deparment | 09:25 |
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| ggabriel | Waitee: i share your feeling, but i hae to say that they've done a better job at it than google | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | if not at a premium | 09:26 |
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| chem|st | Waitee: iDepartment please... or well all software departments.... | 09:32 |
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| * pahartik cannot remember what to do when "Store" application tells it has no account yet but when trying to log in it tells that account exists already | 12:49 | |
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| goroboro | pahartik: try go to your Settings-> Accounts... remove your jolla account and then add it again | 12:50 |
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| pahartik | goroboro: Can one do it in shell? | 12:51 |
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| goroboro | pahartik: I guess... but its probably more complicated... I'd have to rummage around a bit | 12:51 |
| goroboro | pahartik: https://together.jolla.com/question/37660/jolla-store-logout-issue/ | 12:52 |
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| pahartik | goroboro: Thank you, I try this maneuver then | 12:54 |
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| goroboro | pahartik: no problem... I hope it helps... | 12:55 |
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| goroboro | sorry I don't have the time right now to investigate how you could do this from the command line | 12:55 |
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| Eyea | jolla )0!1@ )0J | 20:15 |
| Eyea | hail )0!1@ | 20:16 |
| Waitee | lol | 20:19 |
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| Nicd- | the messaging app really failed me today :( | 20:24 |
| Nicd- | I had talked to a couple of people with group SMS months ago. now SMSs that I received from one of those people were put into the group message view | 20:25 |
| Waitee | my jolla randombly rebooted three times in an hour yesterday | 20:25 |
| Nicd- | so of course when I replied the message was sent to all of them | 20:25 |
| Nicd- | an additional problem was that I had a 1-to-1 discussion open with that same person too, but their messages did not appear there | 20:26 |
| Nicd- | only in the group conversation | 20:26 |
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| mfulz | does someone know if contacts can be updated via exchange? | 20:37 |
| mfulz | it seems like the contacts on the phone are not updated when I change something.... | 20:37 |
| stephg | mfulz: dunno if the sync is two way | 20:37 |
| stephg | or what | 20:37 |
| mfulz | no from server to phone | 20:38 |
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| mfulz | a new contact is uploaded to server but I cannot change an existing on the phone - that's known. But when I'm adding a new number on the server it seems not to be synced back to the device | 20:38 |
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| mfulz | somone using sync-evolutino? | 22:23 |
| mfulz | it seems to work fine, but the auto sync not | 22:23 |
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