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Nicd-did you see this yet? http://www.thejollablog.com/elisa-launched-jolla-phone-estonia/04:53
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Waiteeall over the news in finland06:26
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Nicd-it is?06:34
Nicd-all I can see is Nokia stuff06:36
Waiteewell not actually all over06:36
Waitee:D06:36
Nicd-all over = I found one article in Lapin kansa?06:36
Waiteei thought i read about it on yle06:37
Waiteecant find the article06:37
Waitee:06:37
Waitee:D06:37
Waiteemy bad06:37
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ln-what is all over?06:39
Nicd-http://www.thejollablog.com/elisa-launched-jolla-phone-estonia/06:39
ln-oh, estonia?06:39
Waiteei guess i shouldn't answer "your mom"06:39
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ggabriellol08:53
ggabrielm$'s mobile ad is named "not like everyone else"08:54
ggabrielsrsly?08:54
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Waiteeand?08:56
Waiteei dont see whats wrong with that ad :D08:57
leinirthat's not too unlike something else you might have seem... ;)08:57
ggabrielnot like everyone/everybody else == unlike08:57
ggabrieli.e., cp -r jolla microsoft08:57
ggabrielor rather, xcopy /r as they don't use unix08:57
ggabrielit's just a marketing message in both sides tho08:58
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Waiteeyes, it's a similiar advert08:58
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Waiteei dont see anything wrong with it though08:59
Waiteeit's not infringing ip of jolla08:59
ggabrielthe copying bit is wrong IMO08:59
ggabrielbut that's just me09:00
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ggabrielon another note, i was pretty impressed yesterday with the call quality of the jolla...09:00
Waiteewell it's like "coca cola - real taste, zero sugar" versus "pepsi max - max taste no sugar"09:00
ggabrieli'm pretty certain i walked under a bridge in a train station where there is no signal and i could continue speaking09:00
ggabrielWaitee: yeah, i won't argue, it's just my opinion.09:01
ggabrielat any rate, if m$ wants to be at the same height of jolla (or thinks they are), surely that's a good thing for jolla09:01
Waiteelol :D09:01
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Waiteethat #unlike thing is like a keyword everywhere with jolla09:02
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Waiteei suppose the "not like everyone else" stuff is just on a couple of adds09:03
Waiteeads even09:03
ggabrielyeah, i should use it more often09:03
ggabrieli was reading the cnet article fwiw09:03
ggabrielthe one that says that elop was a trojan09:03
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Waiteewell i believe there was more wrong with nokia than just elop09:03
ggabrielhiring elop was nokia's fault at the end of the day09:04
Jopenokia needed a lot of fat trimmed09:04
nahkiss"nokia's fault"09:04
Jopebut I can't help but think that he went with the wrong os :-D09:04
nahkisswho is nokia afterl all09:04
ggabriels/fault/responsibility/09:04
nahkissshareholders?09:04
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Waiteei've heard the symbian bosses knowingly tried to make it tough for meego team09:04
ggabrielnahkiss: board09:04
nahkissthe ones who suffer now aren't the ones who made the decision09:04
Waiteesince they knew symbian is going down09:05
Jopewaitee well that's not exactly accurate either..09:05
Jopeit's more like .. hmm ..09:05
WaiteeJope: that's just what i heard09:05
Jopewell yes09:05
ggabrieli wouldn't say symbian was going down09:05
Jopebut as I said not accurate in that wording09:05
Waiteeggabriel: yes it was09:05
Jopenokia's power structure was basically such that people in high places had a lot of influence09:05
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Jopeso if someone preferred symbian, then symbian was king09:05
ggabrielWaitee: from a user perspective, it still behaves better than android/ios09:05
Jopeso yeah perhaps there was some meego oppression in there too09:06
Waiteemy father had N809:06
Jopebut IMO it was more like symbian promotion in everything09:06
Waiteenow he has huawei ascend P609:06
Waiteethe n8 was just a miserable piece of shit to be honest :D09:06
ggabrielWaitee: i have a sony xperia sp09:06
* rigo likes meego oppression09:06
ggabrielmy email client crashed quite a few times09:06
ggabrieland that never happened in my 580009:07
ggabrielalso, symbian could multitask09:07
Waiteei had htc wildfire for 4 years before jolla09:07
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ggabrielso, depends what you want it for09:07
Waiteeit was shit09:07
Waiteenothing worked with it09:07
rigoand symbian phones were still alive after one week in the wild without charger09:07
Waiteebut then again you just need to buy a good android phone09:07
* tbr was quite happy with his 930009:07
Waiteenot a crappy cheap one09:07
ggabrielsymbian needed work, granted, but i don't think that technology wise it was bad09:07
tbrbut that was series9009:07
Waiteeggabriel: it wasnt necessarily bad, but it was late and it used old tech09:08
ggabrielWaitee: yes, of course, loads of archs to support and all that09:08
rigoggabriel: the energy efficiency was good but the lagging terrible, so may be there was a link09:08
ggabrielso, all that needed work09:08
ggabrielrigo: my xperia sp lags as badly as my 5800 fwiw09:08
ggabrieland it's 3-4x faster09:08
Waiteeand i never had a problem with android not multitasking :D09:09
rigomy N9 doesn't lag at all!09:09
ggabrielrigo: granted, compared to meego, symbian was oldish09:09
Waiteemy mother has N9 and she likes it09:09
ggabrielWaitee: i do have trouble with that09:09
rigodoes the jolla lag?09:09
ggabrielit's actually pretty bad that we're back in the dark ages of 286-like processors09:09
Waiteerigo: top end android apps tend to lag09:09
ggabrielrigo: depends09:09
ggabrielrigo: mostly, it's super fast09:10
ggabrielbut if you ask too much of it/msyncd gets hung doing stuff, then it may lag09:10
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arJolla is less laggy than xperia z09:10
rigoWaitee: this is a security feature in Android :)09:10
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ggabrielandroid, on the other hand, lags constantly all the time, so i guess that the experience is consistent09:10
Waiteerigo: what is?09:10
* ggabriel hasn't tried android yet in the jolla09:10
rigoWaitee: the lagging of your android app09:10
Waiteeggabriel: android lagging depends a lot on the actual device :D09:11
ggabrielWaitee: the xperia sp is "faster" than the jolla09:11
ggabrieland it lags worse than the n909:11
Waiteethere's so many android phones out there with bad specs you cant just say "android lags" :D09:11
ggabrielWaitee: 1.7GHz dual core is bad spcs?09:11
ggabriel(1GB RAM)09:11
Sail0rmy galaxy s3 lagged all the time :x09:12
rigohm, reminds me of windows vista09:12
rigoor KDE 4.709:12
Waiteeit's true android is full of shitty java09:12
ggabrieli'll just buy an amd laptop with an arm core and run android there09:12
ggabrielit may not lag09:12
rigoonly worked with 3Ghz quadcore 8GB RAM and SSD09:12
rigoWaitee: it is not full, it is Google's copy of09:12
ggabrielmore than shitty java, i suspect shitty g-engineering09:12
rigoOracle just lost the litigation agianst Google for copying the entire java spec09:13
ggabrielrigo: i thought they were going to have another go [oracle09:13
Waiteeno idea on that end, but i guess it's safe to say jolla isnt near as bloat as android is09:14
ggabrielWaitee: you're right - "bloat" is the first thing i thought when i got this sony phone09:14
rigoI don't think so, the court was pretty clear (and supportedy by many) that protection of header files was a/ not original and b/ would lead to an undue technology monopoly that is normally coverd only by patents09:14
Waiteeon the quadcore devices android works fine though09:14
ggabrielWaitee: it lags on sgs3 (4x core)...09:15
Waiteewell, my fathers ascend p6 works without lag09:15
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Waiteehe's just been cursing everything about N809:16
rigomost of the guys with android devices have a pocket recharger for theirquadcore device and some pocket fan to cool it :)09:16
Waitee:D09:16
Waiteemy jolla heats more running candy crush saga than any android phone i've used09:16
ggabrielrigo: i'm 90% sure that they managed to appeal, and of course it takes years09:16
ggabrielWaitee: you should compare native with native09:17
Waiteeggabriel: true09:17
ggabrielthe fact that the jolla can run apk is a bonus09:17
Waitee:D09:17
Waiteei know09:17
ggabrielgranted, jolla has to do something re gaming09:17
ggabrieland the phone will be perfect for that09:18
ggabrielnot sure it's a priority tho09:18
joonahoii bet jolla is just trying to give you valuable thermal feedback to discourage you to play it09:18
Waiteei do love my jolla very much over any other phone but im defending android because i dont want to be a damn apple fanboy09:19
ggabrielWaitee: i suppose android has 1 or 2 good things09:19
ggabrielthey just aren't the ones i look for in a phone09:19
ggabrielfor business use, ios is much better, even more open than android, which is surprising09:19
Waiteewell when i got my jolla i thought it would've been a better choice to buy a nexus 409:20
fluxthe #1 android app I use on Jolla is Firefox. maybe some day that will change, but it doesn't seem likely too soon :/09:20
ggabrielWaitee: if you aren't interested in reception quality, maybe09:20
Waiteewell the hardware of jolla is cheap made in china :D09:21
ggabrielWaitee: they're both made in china, and yet the jolla has much better reception than the n4/509:21
Waiteewell if i press the n4/5 back anywhere it doesnt say "no simcard installed" :D09:22
ggabrielflux: you remind me i should download ff in my android phone :P09:22
Waiteejust saying09:22
ggabrielWaitee: that doesn't happen to the jolla in fairness09:22
ggabrielto my jolla*09:22
Waiteeggabriel: try pressing on the simcard slot09:22
ggabrielWaitee: did that already09:22
ggabrielat any rate, the sim card gets detected again09:23
ggabrielyou can't fix reception on the n4/509:23
ggabrielthey're not designed well09:23
Waiteemy friends with n4/5 havent had anything to complain about them09:23
ggabrieli managed to test them both indoors with the same network09:24
ggabrieland compare them with an iphone 4 (grip of death!)09:24
ggabrieliphone 4 had better reception09:24
Waiteenot comparing to iphone :D09:24
Waiteei won't touch that shit09:24
ggabrielthat pretty much trashed the nexus's09:24
ggabrielthe jolla is better than the iphone 409:24
ggabrielso there you go09:24
ggabrielWaitee: that "shit" has better reception than the nexus's indoors :)09:24
Waiteeonly thing i hate about apple is the mobile phone deparment09:25
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ggabrielWaitee: i share your feeling, but i hae to say that they've done a better job at it than google09:26
ggabrielif not at a premium09:26
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chem|stWaitee: iDepartment please... or well all software departments....09:32
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* pahartik cannot remember what to do when "Store" application tells it has no account yet but when trying to log in it tells that account exists already12:49
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goroboropahartik: try go to your Settings-> Accounts... remove your jolla account and then add it again12:50
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pahartikgoroboro: Can one do it in shell?12:51
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goroboropahartik: I guess... but its probably more complicated... I'd have to rummage around a bit12:51
goroboropahartik: https://together.jolla.com/question/37660/jolla-store-logout-issue/12:52
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pahartikgoroboro: Thank you, I try this maneuver then12:54
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goroboropahartik: no problem... I hope it helps...12:55
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goroborosorry I don't have the time right now to investigate how you could do this from the command line12:55
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Eyeajolla )0!1@ )0J20:15
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Nicd-the messaging app really failed me today :(20:24
Nicd-I had talked to a couple of people with group SMS months ago. now SMSs that I received from one of those people were put into the group message view20:25
Waiteemy jolla randombly rebooted three times in an hour yesterday20:25
Nicd-so of course when I replied the message was sent to all of them20:25
Nicd-an additional problem was that I had a 1-to-1 discussion open with that same person too, but their messages did not appear there20:26
Nicd-only in the group conversation20:26
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mfulzdoes someone know if contacts can be updated via exchange?20:37
mfulzit seems like the contacts on the phone are not updated when I change something....20:37
stephgmfulz: dunno if the sync is two way20:37
stephgor what20:37
mfulzno from server to phone20:38
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mfulza new contact is uploaded to server but I cannot change an existing on the phone - that's known. But when I'm adding a new number on the server it seems not to be synced back to the device20:38
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mfulzsomone using sync-evolutino?22:23
mfulzit seems to work fine, but the auto sync not22:23
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