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TriztIs the Myriads Alien Dalvik suffering of the bug found in Android pre 4.4 ? CVE-2013-737309:24
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faenilTrizt, there were a few CVE fixed in Upd4, see https://together.jolla.com/question/33507/release-notes-software-version-10420-ohijarvi/09:36
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faenilyours doesn't seem to be one of them, that doesn't mean it's not fixed though, I just don't know :)09:37
Morpog_PCupdate 5 says: Fixes security vulnerabilities - Android Bugs 9695860,1014834909:37
SK_Workand it is most likely related to Myriad support09:37
SK_Workdoes Myriad fixed this ?09:37
Triztfaenil: this was reported in today09:40
faeniloki09:40
Morpog_PCwe,, then I guess it is suffering by it09:41
Morpog_PCwell09:41
Triztdepends on how much myriad has modified things, but yes, should be most likly we are affected, but I do not have access to myriads bug system, so not 100% sure09:41
SK_WorkTrizt: what's the severity ?09:42
TriztNot rated by NIST yet09:42
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dunpups10:48
WntIs it possible to copy the phone number of a contact that is synced to the phone from a Google account?10:48
dunphttp://is13.snstatic.fi/binary/bin-1289388690645.pdf10:48
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WntI cannot get to the edit mode of the Google-synced contacts like described here: https://together.jolla.com/question/28798/request-copy-contact-detail-to-the-clipboard/10:49
Wntthere doesn't even seem to be the possibility to delete or change the type of the phone numbers listed there10:51
Wntbut I can add new phone numbers and edit them in the same contact10:51
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sledgeshey everyone, use this to spark more patience to your friends adopting sailfish ;) http://htmlpad.org/JollaLove/13:29
ggabrielhaha13:31
ggabrieli have to write a review in the user experience thread @ tmo13:31
sledgesoh yeah!13:32
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faenilanother impression I have with Update5 is that WiFi life is longer, 3G data life is shorter13:55
faenilI used to do 2days with 3g and medium use...now I end the first day with 20-30%13:55
faenilwhile I just did almost 4 days with mostly WiFi + some 3G13:56
faenil(low use)13:56
faenilusage*13:56
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faenilsletta, is there any performance improvement planned for update6?14:58
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slettafaenil: nothing big from my side at least. Anything in particular you are after?15:02
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faenilsletta, nothing particular, lags everywhere :/15:06
pp4g promised?15:07
Accenext update will bring the moon to earth15:08
ggabrielfaenil: curious... where do you experience lags?15:08
faenilggabriel, most visible example is homescreen15:08
faenilbut also in most of the apps15:08
ggabrielyou mean multitasking?15:08
faeniljust try going to Store -> all apps15:08
faenilno, scrolling through the pages of apps15:09
pp10:03 < Stskeeps> [21:48] <Stskeeps> echo "performance" >/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor15:09
faenilthat's clearly not 60fps15:09
ppis worth a try15:09
slettafaenil: have you enabled the performance governor?15:09
faenilpp, yes that's the only thing which we all know :)15:09
ggabrielfaenil: yeah, i wouldn't say 60fps, but i wouldn't say lag either15:09
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faenilsletta, nope, I was looking for something else, I guess we all agree performance governon is the etrema ratio15:09
slettathe other thing that will help here is Qt 5.2 :)15:10
faenilah right, that's in the works as well15:10
slettayes, but since it was a fairly “big” minor release there are a few issues to iron out, but it is starting to shape up15:11
faenilyeah, I can *imagine*15:11
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faeniland I guess the move to 5.3 will be less painful15:11
slettamaybe...15:11
sletta:)15:11
faenilggabriel, no, homescreen is just sluggish, if you go to Store -> All, it's laggy15:12
faenilit clearly lags while preloading apps icons15:13
faenil(while scrolling)15:13
ggabrielfaenil: i have to say that it's pretty acceptable for my taste15:13
ggabrielbut you know how "fast" is relative15:14
ggabrieli'm an old man ;-)15:14
faenilggabriel, I'm smoothomaniac(TM)15:14
* sletta too15:14
ggabrielfaenil: yeah, DEF not smooth15:14
faenilprobably caused by too much FPS videogaming in past years :D15:14
ggabrielthe problem is the only way that smoothness is achieved is by caching a screenshot15:15
ggabrielbut i prefer to wait a few ns rather than deal with that hack15:15
ggabrielgaming is different tho15:15
faenilwait, are you talking about multitasking views?15:15
faenilthat's not the issue15:15
ggabrielno, the store one15:15
ggabrielwhe nit loads icons and so on15:16
faenilthen you mean screenshot of the entire view on gpu15:16
ggabrielfaenil: yeah, the apple way :)15:16
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slettascreenshotting is not the way… The scene graph renderer can cache stuff in vertex form which is much more flexible15:17
faenileh, if only sailfish were as smooth as "older-than-iOS7" ..15:17
ggabrielsletta: not arguing for or against it15:17
ggabrielolder-than-ios7 was ok most of the time15:18
ggabrielbut complex things it lagged15:18
ggabrielanyway15:18
ggabrieli suppose it's fixable properly15:18
ggabrielby giving more priority to the renderer than the icon loader or whatever15:18
faenilonly ok? at least what I saw on my friends' iphones is still unbeated today15:19
ggabrielfaenil: well, i have an iphone 415:19
faenil(which makes me sad :( )15:19
ggabrielwith ios6, things are pretty bad in some places15:19
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ggabrielsome IM applications for instance15:19
ggabrielweb browsing is definitely not smooth15:19
ggabrielbut they use the screenshot trick I read15:20
faenilweb browsing not smooth? :/15:20
ggabrielno15:20
faenilwhat happened...15:20
ggabrielfaenil: you saw iphone 4 or iphone 4s?15:20
ggabriel(or 5/5s?)15:20
faenilno it was 415:20
faenilor 4s15:20
faenil but not 515:20
ggabrielthere's a big diff between 4 and 4s speedwise15:20
ggabrieli was happy with ios415:21
ggabrielit was smooth and everything15:21
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faenilwell that could be the one I saw15:21
faenildon't know which iOS it was15:21
faenilbut it was so smooth and responsive :'(15:21
faenilhaven't seen anything like that yet...got to admit15:22
ggabrieli bet if you actually use it for your needs you'll find lags15:22
ggabrielthe email application15:22
ggabrielomg15:22
faenilsletta, do you have any update regarding the visual input lag instead? i.e. how fast the UI follows the finger, to be clear15:22
ggabrielthat one's very bad15:22
faenilggabriel, :)15:22
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slettafaenil: it is being worked on, but the UI needs to run at 60 for touch to be smooth too, so it kindof all fits together15:26
slettaThere is also some work being done on the buffer sharing between the client and compositor which should result in improved latency for input as well15:27
faenilI see15:28
faenilsletta, is there any command to disable mtdev?15:28
faenilI wanted to test how it behaves without its smoothing algos :)15:29
slettabetter :)15:29
faenilehehe15:29
faenilis there any way to disable that stuff?15:30
slettawe use mtdev to feed input events into Qt in the compositor side, so you can start lipstick with a different input plugin, but evdev/mtdev is the only thing which is in the stack, atm15:30
faenilI see15:30
slettayou can compile your own of course15:31
faenilsure15:31
faeniland where does your "better" come from instead? :D15:31
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slettafaenil: I tried to patch mtdev to not do the fuzzing and that gave a more accurate touch sequence for certain finger speeds15:33
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faenilI see :)15:33
faenilsletta, I also think a simple change in ListView's maximumVelocity would make wonders15:34
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faenilit really feels a bit like it's not my finger which is controlling the UI atm15:35
faenilthe accelerationg params are off, the max speed is way too low, the deceleration is off as well15:35
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faenilit doesn't help that you can't swipe left/right while the list is scrolling15:40
faenilthat's a big drawback imho15:40
faenili.e. I have to stop scrolling my conversation if I have to go back to conversations list15:40
faenil1 (useless) extra tap15:41
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faenilthe problem then is that all apps not using Silica's ListView would have different behaviour15:43
Kiranosno news about whats in the upcoming new update?15:44
Kiranoslast time we got mms very early :)15:44
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ggabrielno may14 tag just yet :)15:46
faenilmonthly updates cause addiction :D15:47
ggabrielthey were going to skip summer tho15:48
ggabrielnot sure what's summer15:48
faenilI guess july or august15:48
ggabrieltechnically 21st july -> 21st september in this hemisphere15:48
faenilyeah but wasn't it only 1 update that they're skipping?15:49
ggabrielmy point exactly :)15:49
faenilso, I guess it's july or august15:49
faenilnot sept :D15:49
faenilit's actually 21st June -> 21st sept btw :P15:49
ggabrielsorry, s/july/june/15:50
faenilanother thing, you can't go back in a page while the transition is ongoing15:51
faenilthat's another annoying thing :D15:51
javispedrono july update??? I want my money back!!15:51
ggabrielfaenil: i assume you have tjc's for all this? :)15:51
javispedro( ;) )15:51
ggabrieljavispedro: you want it in bitcoins? :)15:51
faeniljavispedro, right!?!?!?!! :D15:51
faenilggabriel, I don't as they're too small15:51
javispedro:)15:52
javispedrohi btw15:52
faeniljavispedro, hi :)15:52
faenilhow you doing15:52
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javispedrocompletely alone in the uni since it seems there's some bank holidays coming in15:52
faenilehehe15:53
stephgfaenil: you seem to be very backwards today15:54
ggabrielstephg: o/15:54
stephg\o15:55
ggabrielstephg: did you manage to set the email sync frequency in a more peak/non peak fashion in the end?15:55
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faenilstephg, what do you mean :)15:55
stephgeek no it dropped off my radar sorry ggabriel15:55
ggabrielstephg: boo, ok, i'll try to remember tonight while having a beer15:55
ggabriel(unless the beer makes me forget)15:56
stephg^ probably my problem15:56
stephgfaenil all of your lol are backwards15:56
stephg^ that one was too, just to make you feel at home ;)15:56
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stephgno this is what I mean:15:58
stephg12:50 <@faenil> ahah15:58
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stephg16:53 < faenil> ehehe15:58
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faenilohhh I see :D15:58
stephgmaybe you have hiccups :)15:58
javispedros/ohhh/hhho/15:58
faenilXDDX15:59
ggabrieluse lol, can't get it wrong15:59
javispedroare you by any chance suggesting that we reduce the ample repertory of human emotions to "lol"?15:59
ggabrieljavispedro: for sure, we should implement newspeak16:00
stephgjavispedro: I said nothing of the sort!16:00
ggabriel(big brother's language)16:00
stephgalthough on an unrelated note we are currently only talking in the office in terms of clickbait16:00
stephgyou won't believe what faenil is saying on irc these days16:00
stephg*click*16:00
* javispedro is not talking in the office today :)16:01
faenilI have to agree talking while being alone is not fun16:02
ggabrielsoliloquys are fun16:02
ggabrielunless somebody hears you16:02
ggabrielin which case it ceass to be such16:03
javispedrolecturing without students is also fun16:03
ggabrielceases even16:03
ggabrieljavispedro: you lecturer?16:03
javispedroTA a bit16:03
ggabrielsounds like long break16:03
javispedroyeah :)16:04
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javispedromeh, so tired of the bluez fiasco...16:25
javispedrohave to ponder how's jolla managing it16:25
javispedros/jolla/mer/16:26
Stskeepswell, i expect our bluetooth guy will have totally grey hair next time i see him16:27
Stskeeps(we're doing bluez5 work atm)16:27
javispedrotbh I'd just delay everything until everyone makes up its mind16:28
javispedroat least you guys are already using connman+ofono which seems to be the preferred combination16:28
Stskeepsyeah, that we have going for us ..16:29
Kiranoswhat is this bluez fiasco? a link16:29
javispedroI totally expect that by the fedora21 timeframe you'll have to choose between installing ofono for HFP support OR modemmanager for DUN/PAN support16:29
javispedroOR rip everything and replace networkmanager with connman, but then you'll lose gnome-shell..16:30
Stskeepsso, you're saying there's an opportunity to conquer desktop linux in one sweep?16:30
Stskeeps:P16:30
javispedrototally16:30
javispedrobut actually it may be a good time to bring up connman vs nm for desktop usecase.16:31
javispedroif you enjoy long flamefests, that is.16:31
Stskeepsadd a bit of systemd..16:31
Stskeeps:P16:31
javispedroah yeah, forgot about networkd.16:32
javispedrogray hair is an understatement.16:32
javispedroBALDNESS!!!16:32
jukkar_javispedro: I am using https://github.com/connectivity/gnome-extension-connman works quite ok, would need some fixes and integration into gnome16:32
javispedrojukkar_, nice to know16:33
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javispedroi might actually consider moving to connman..16:35
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jukkar_javispedro: currently the progress of connman/ofono gnome ui is stalled, current code can be seen at https://github.com/abarsode?tab=activity16:35
javispedro(I use Mate so I'd personally prefer a standalone applet)16:35
javispedrohttps://github.com/abarsode/connman-gnome/tree/master/applet16:36
jukkar_javispedro: correct place is https://github.com/connectivity/connman-gnome16:36
Stskeepswhich reminds me, i need to try out connman as a PAN client, not server..16:36
javispedrojukkar_, ty!16:37
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Stskeepsjavispedro: out of curiousity, would you happen to know how much power a open PAN connection, but idle, takes? maybe from nxxx days16:37
tbrjavispedro: hey, didn't you have some sort of code for the metawatch that would run on a jolla?16:37
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Stskeepsi don't have handy measurement equipment in my home office, so16:38
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javispedrotbr, I had this https://gitorious.org/gato/test-mw/16:39
tbrthanks16:39
javispedrotbr, does nothing other than set the time, albeit it does it by Low Energy16:39
tbr*nod*16:39
tbryou mentioned that16:39
javispedrothe Gato stuff (same project on gitorious) is required16:39
tbrStskeeps: I have a fake battery and can easily fashion a measurement shunt to see power consumption on a scope16:40
tbrI'd just need a second device that then acts as a PAN client16:40
javispedroStskeeps, no raw numbers, but it should be a "considerable" amount. with n900 settings there was a transmission every 3sec more or less16:40
javispedrocan be tuned, though16:40
Stskeepsyeah, i'm pondering about totally idle for some research purposes..16:40
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Stskeepstbr: n8xx/n900 should do the trick maybe..16:41
Stskeepsor a laptop pc16:41
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Stskeepsjust if it makes sense to teardown connection when idle, reconnect when there's data to be sent, etc..16:41
tbr*nod*16:42
javispedropossibly yes16:42
tbrStskeeps: well, BT-LE...16:42
javispedrotimeout should be ~minutes16:42
Stskeepsif you do PAN between two BT4.0 LE devices, it'll be spending less power, than if between two non-LE devices?16:42
javispedrowell, at least that's what my intuition says...16:42
tbrStskeeps: I'm interested to see the actual BT4.1 stuff that should allow for networking over LE16:42
tbrStskeeps: no PAN is not LE16:42
Stskeepsoki16:42
javispedrothe keywords for non-LE are park and sniff16:43
javispedroin n900 I remember had to change via raw hci commands..16:43
javispedro*non-LE idle power savings, I mean.16:43
jukkar_3.14 has preliminary support for BT-LE 6lowpan, no need to do any PAN16:44
tbrneat16:44
tbrshould try that16:44
javispedroI have seen many vendors backporting most of bluetooth/* to 3.416:45
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javispedrojust dropping this in here :)16:45
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tbrno surprise there :)16:45
jukkar_I have used BT 6lowpan to connect two PC devices and run ssh over 6lowpan, it was quite slow but usable16:46
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javispedroyeah, thanks for remembering me of that :)16:47
javispedro(slowness)16:47
javispedromaybe it is better to look into that timeout idea :)16:47
javispedrobtw16:47
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javispedroI do remember that most Android devices showed lots of latency when communicating with metawatch16:48
javispedroso I suspect that the power saving defaults these days in android are way more aggressive than Bluez/Maemo defaults16:48
javispedro(and by power saving settings I basically mean the sniff delay)16:50
tbrthe delay doesn't seem to drop though in case there is communication, so it's either super aggressive or something that is constant16:51
Stskeepsjukkar_: nice16:52
Stskeepsjavispedro: if you and others are interested, we can probably do a bluetooth session in the community meeting at some point16:52
javispedro adaptative sniff scheduling :) -- http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=221307016:54
javispedroStskeeps: I can attend, but no idea if there's much interest16:55
javispedroplenty of work left to do if you'll be migrating to bluez5. qtbluetooth, etc.16:55
tbrand Qt hasn't even started work on the linux side of bt-le16:56
javispedrothere's some work using gatttool16:56
javispedrothat should work for central (aka "client"), more or less16:57
tbrlast time I talked to digia they were like qt? bt-le? nooo that's just i-devices16:57
javispedrowell I saw that on git at least.16:57
tbrgood if there is something :)16:57
javispedroI'd be more worried about the d-bus changes and the loss of the old sdptool protocol16:58
Stskeepstbr: i hear there's bluez5 work ongoing in qt16:58
tbrtheir priority will be classic bluetooth though16:58
javispedroat this time I'd agree with them.16:59
Stskeepsi do hope to figure out what's up with our LE at some point..16:59
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javispedroas of today there's no d-bus api for le yet, so..17:01
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javispedroand the new D-Bus API for services is slightly saner, but it's also way more different to the current QtBluetooth class tree17:04
javispedroso more grey hair17:05
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javispedroie http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qbluetoothserviceinfo.html#registerService maps nicely to old sdp protocol, but in bluez5 d-bus API this function should create a new d-bus object and use it to listen for connections instead of raw sockets, etc.17:10
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keithzgoh oops, forgot that the Jolla reboots when a SIM is inserted19:14
keithzg(why is the N9 seemingly the only phone ever that could switch/pop SIMs on the fly?)19:14
Quutoggle airplane mode, no need for reboot.19:16
keithzgHuh, really? 'cause when I popped the SIM in it immediately rebooted.19:16
keithzgNot sure what I could've done differently.19:16
Quuthat should not happen19:16
Quuprobably pushed too hard on the something's and it rebooted19:17
chem|stkeithzg: my jolla does not reboot when I pull or plug the sim...19:17
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chem|stit asks/tells to reboot but waiting a few seconds brings the pin-code screen up19:18
keithzgHmm I dunno, I was being really careful with it down on a flat surface. But since it now doesn't even try to check for networks (goes "Oops, no networks found." immediately when manually searching again) perhaps it just really doesn't like my SIM ;)19:18
keithzgAlthough I swear I had it see networks before, when I first got it and put this SIM in just for kicks.19:19
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keithzgBut fair enough, one way or another rebooting wasn't supposed to happen I take it.19:19
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TemeVi switch sim to my Jolla all the time. Never had to reboot bacause of that19:33
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TemeVas chem|st said, waiting a while makes the sim work19:34
TemeVand of course choosing the "reboot later" option when it asks for rebooting19:34
fluxI had this problem of Jolla asking me pin code quite often19:38
fluxno problem, just clean the sim-card and put it back again19:39
fluxtoday it has asked maybe 5 times for the pin code19:39
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tigeliflux: do you also get "sim card was removed"-error?20:54
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yacWhat do youo have for foursquare?21:00
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Yanieldoes the android app work?21:04
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tigeliYaniel: iirc, it requires that you have google services framework installed21:06
Yanielship it21:07
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fluxtigeli, rarely21:30
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keithzghttp://www.theverge.com/2014/4/30/5666628/your-corporate-internet-nightmare-starts-now is pretty good IMHO. Although I imagine many folks on channels such as this will have already read it, heh.21:54
Yanielyay for net neutrality21:55
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Yanielmay it get its well deserverd rest21:56
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* keithzg imagines, decades from now, chanting in a secret illegal cult: "oh great Net Neutrality, which will someday return. For that is not dead which does eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die . . ."22:02
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