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coderusMitakuuluu v0.6-5 update. Changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.6-5 Download: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu06:15
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raa70openrepos has 0.6-608:59
Nicd-that was fast08:59
SpeedEvilhttp://xkcd.com/09:01
stephgSpeedEvil: I want one09:04
SpeedEvil:)09:04
jussihah!09:05
ggabrieli like the screm sound09:09
entilwappu celebration ended less than well, got my jolla stolen :(09:09
Stskeepsentil: ouch, hope you had a lock code on it09:09
ggabrielentil: :(09:09
entilheard the device can be bricked with the imei code, is that true?09:09
entilI called my operator and they said they don't do that, ask jolla or someone else09:10
Stskeepsyou should report it as stolen with the IMEI at least; but we don't do remote shutdowns currently09:10
entilsure I had a lock code, and had the missus call the phone when we got home and I couldn't find it anywhere; it was turned off09:10
Stskeepsno lock code active?09:10
Stskeepsentil: if you had a lock code (i don't mean SIM PIN), the device is practically useless for it09:10
Stskeepsthe thief, that is09:11
entilit should have been locked, but be it as it may, it was turned off when we noticed I didn't have it on me anymore09:11
entiltherefore when it's turned on, it would prompt for the lock code09:11
Stskeepsyes09:11
Stskeepsunless you unlocked the bootloader, you should be safe09:11
entilnothing like that, nothing worse than installing the play store :)09:11
Stskeepsoki09:11
Stskeepsthe thief has a nice brick then09:11
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Stskeepsyou can always try to mail care@ about the issue, not sure if anybody registers that device shouldn't be serviced..09:12
entilI'm hoping it's someone who's taking it to a lost and found service point for the finder's fee09:12
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entilthe missus googled something about filing a police report and then the imei code gets sent to operators who block the phone09:14
jussientil: Hope you get it back, always frustrating to have somehting taken/lost09:15
entiland this is the first time in my life I actually wish there was a cloud service that automatically had all my contacts and sms's and crap backed up09:15
jussihehe09:15
jussientil: they exist... just you havent used them...09:16
Stskeepsidle curiousity to you guys09:16
entilI have to admit I'm scared of eg. Google09:16
Stskeepswhat is your EUR amount for something that's suitable for impulse buys of technology, if idea is good?09:16
ggabrielentil: you are talking about another kind of theft ;-)09:16
entilthe Younited cloud should be nice, and there is the Jolla account but afaict it didn't do automatic cloud syncing09:16
entilggabriel: hehe, the possibility of one, at least ;)09:17
jussiStskeeps: depends on your economic status09:17
entilnsa backups can't be restored :(09:17
entilStskeeps: depends on what jussi said and how relevant it is09:17
Stskeepsjussi: well, let's assume middle class09:17
Stskeeps(which is a very wide term)09:17
entilthe jolla was almost an impulse buy, half-impulse, but I was needing a new phone and I love the Jolla guys etc09:17
ggabrielStskeeps: no impulsive buys for me, unless I can eat it (I'm strange)09:17
Stskeepsin the US, 99 USD for something like apple tv is well within impulse buys09:17
entilI might spend 50e occasionally, though I impulse buy mainly CDs09:17
Stskeepsggabriel: hmm :)09:17
jussi100€, if its awesome. but not for me, my impuls buy level is no more than 40€09:18
Stskeepsggabriel: phone and free bigmac..09:18
Stskeeps:P09:18
ggabrielStskeeps: you may say that the jolla was impulsive, but I put some thought on it09:18
ggabrielfwiw, I have no problem spending ~500 EUR on something that you can get for ~100 EUR in china so long as it's cool, european, nice ethos and so on09:18
ggabrielbut that's not necessarily impulsive09:19
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ggabrielimpulsive for me is "uuuhhh, shiny shiny" :)09:19
jussiStskeeps: honestly though, I think youll find many "middle class" (2 decent incomes, couple of kids) 100€ would be the level09:21
stephgyeah I'm with jussi, but it depends upon the circumstance09:22
stephgif it's 'right' I'd spend more09:22
stephgand the Jolla wasn't impulse. Buying it was MANDATORY09:22
ggabriela 100 US$ apple tv on its own is useless too09:23
ggabrieli do remember people buying ipod nanos as they were paying for something else in the apple store09:23
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jussiStskeeps: oh, and also, here in finland it depends on the level of markdown. if you take a €100 product, price it at 600€, mark it as 70% off, youll sell huge amounts! :P09:27
stephgI'm suprised noone has said anything yet, now that it's May09:28
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ggabrielhas it been a year already?09:29
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stephgwell I was talking about the thing that I'm not going to mention but it's getting near that time of month09:32
kimmolistarts with U ?09:33
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kimmoliit just start snowing here. it is that time of year09:33
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ggabrielno may14 tag in tjc tho09:34
JvD_snowing? here in Espoo?09:35
kimmoliat least something that looks whiteish and did float around behinf my window.09:36
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stephgkimmoli: yeah that one ;)09:36
stephgkimmoli: that's blossom09:36
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stephgjust keep telling yourself that09:36
JvD_kwap09:37
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kimmoliheh. Installed weather Kaarna from store. First start - just died away showing just cover, 2nd start - green led blinks then asks lock code09:47
stephgthat doesn't sound healthy09:47
kimmolitihrd start ok09:48
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kimmolisomething like this in journal lipstick[955]: Wayland display got fatal error -22: Tuntematon virhe -2209:55
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kimmoliooo someone works in harbour QA today ! Congratulations! Your app has been approved by Q10:11
kimmoli*A10:11
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stephgheebo?10:12
kimmoliyep10:13
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KhertanAtworkHi, i ve clearly a problem with sdcard, sdcard is corrupted everytime (even if i didnt got sudden shutdown) fsck fix some things, but i ve often data losses, i use ext4 ... should i avoid ext4 and use other fs ?12:34
KhertanAtwork(sdcard didn't have problem on my lenovo)12:35
KhertanAtworkor could it be also an hw problem ?12:35
Yanielis ccorrupted everytime ____12:35
Yaniel?12:35
KhertanAtworkeverytime i want to transfer things on it, or listen music ... so it s ok for 1 or 2 hours, then corrupted12:36
ggabrielKhertanAtwork: did you try another card?12:36
Yanielhuhh12:37
ggabriel(and another reader, etc)12:37
KhertanAtworkdidn't have other card12:37
KhertanAtworkcards works on other reader12:37
KhertanAtwork(my lenovo laptop, and m800 toshiba, and samsung n130)12:38
ggabrielbut jolla corrupts it?12:38
KhertanAtworkggabriel, look like12:38
ggabrielbrand of the card?12:39
KhertanAtworksamsung12:39
ggabrielit coudl be the phone12:39
ggabrielyou in .fi?12:40
KhertanAtworknope :)12:40
ggabrieli'd try another card :)12:40
KhertanAtworki should add it in the problem for the return12:40
KhertanAtworkphone will go to optima monday12:40
ggabrielyou can also check journalctl to see if there are any errors12:40
ggabrielok, then add it to the problem12:40
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KhertanAtworkggabriel, nothing except mount and umount in journal due to fsck12:43
KhertanAtworkggabriel, thanks12:43
ggabrielyou're sure it's ext4 and not btrfs, right?12:44
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Yanielironically I haven't had any problems with the (still considered experimental) btrfs12:46
KhertanAtworkggabriel, sure (i ve verifyed with df -T)12:46
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nadrielAloha17:21
Nichopehi17:40
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* RzR got a j1 in my hand :)17:40
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NichopeRzR: j1 = jolla, isn't it?17:42
RzRyea17:42
Nichopek, been out of IRC for a long time :P17:43
nadrielMe too17:43
nadrielToo lazy to login to remote server for screen that is always running irssi...17:43
nadrielWell, most of the time.17:44
RzRsugggest me some apps to install and test :)17:44
nadrielDeveloper mode17:44
nadriel>: ]17:44
Nichopein my case I was logged in just in case, but didn't look at the conversations17:44
RzRwarehouse17:45
nadrielActive idling?17:46
Nichopewell, the most hyped up ones (almost all of them will be grateful to another tester willing to report bugs/issues) seem to be the clients: YTplayer, Friends, Tweetian, IRC..17:49
RzRis there any apk installer ?17:50
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Nicd-RzR: you can install APKs from the transfers list (if you have downloaded them) or with a file manager17:53
RzRyes i installed f-droid17:54
RzRthis is nice17:54
RzRhttps://f-droid.org/FDroid.apk17:54
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RzRdo u know some migrating page for harmattan users ?17:56
Nicd-for app development or for users?17:56
RzRboth17:57
RzRnow as user17:57
RzRlike a map app , like we had on n9 :)17:57
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Nicd-jolla offers a very basic map app17:57
Nicd-it's in the store17:57
Nicd-here's some sort of a guide for developers: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Porting/Harmattan17:58
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* pahartik wishes that there was confirmation dialog before user-requested shutdown, or at least countdown timer with possibility to cancel18:30
Nicd-why?18:31
ln-but there is a timer, you need to hold down the power button for a while, don't you?18:32
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pahartikNicd-: I accidentally shut it down by pressing power button for too long18:32
Nicd-I don't think that's an issue that is expected to happen often18:33
ln-pahartik: do you press the power button regularly, and if so, why?18:34
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pahartikNicd-: What I tried to do was locking display before putting device to pocket in commuter bus... But my thoughts got distracted and I held button down for two seconds or something...18:35
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pahartikNicd-: Very often to lock and unlock display18:36
ln-i've never pressed the power button to lock or unlock the display...18:37
Nicd-well, I'm inclined to say that if you accidentally press the power button for seconds at a time, it's your own fault :P18:39
coderusRzR: congratulations!18:42
* Aard welcomes RzR to the dark side18:44
ln-pahartik: so, please consider not using the power button for locking and unlocking the display. only use it for power.18:45
Nicd-I do use the power button for locking the display, it's no problem18:45
Nicd-but just like with any other phone, don't keep it pressed down :P18:45
Nicd-eventually there has to be a hardware shutdown anyway if you keep it pressed18:46
pahartikln-: I suppose unlocking by double tapping now works reliably... Two releases ago it did not, so I learned to avoid it18:47
Bawal_i love the double-tap unlock18:54
Bawal_always disappointed when i accidentally try that on other phones18:54
AardBawal_: that was a vital feature, as all of us were used to that from the N9 already :p18:55
Bawal_i can believe that, getting so used to it18:55
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Bawal_my last phone was n900 so...18:56
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ln-was it some special characteristic of the N9 display that it can show the clock without consuming much power?18:57
Bawal_and i swore i wouldn't swap it for anything that doesn't have hardware querty18:57
Bawal_but here i am18:58
Bawal_and now, i don't really even need the querty other half...18:58
ln-*querty*?18:58
Bawal_right18:58
Bawal_qwerty18:58
Bawal_anyways18:58
ln-sownds aukuard18:58
Bawal_yup that's me18:59
Bawal_usually i can write correctly tho :<18:59
Nicd-ln-: N9 had standby display18:59
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Aardln-: it's an oled display, that makes low power mode easier19:00
ln-okay19:00
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ln-that's one feature that i'll certainly miss when i some day switch from N9 to Jolla as my primary phone.19:00
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pahartikBawal_: I also upgraded from "Nokia N900"19:02
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ln-oh no, he started using quotes again.19:04
Aardln-: I eventually got used to it, but it took quite a while. it was helping that we have a rgb led again, so at least I have an idea about notifications19:05
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NichopeBawal_: my case was nearly the same than yours. Now I would still like a HW QWERTY, but atm I don't have the money to pay myself one of the 3D-printed ones19:19
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* Stskeeps passes kimmoli a cold on19:27
Stskeepse19:27
kimmoliglub glub aah thanks19:27
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RzRthx guys20:05
RzRso many stores ... i will takes me some time20:05
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sledgesRzR: welcome aboard fella!21:49
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