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keithzgWhere are the playlists in the Media app stored? In the tracker database, or in discrete files elsewhere?00:58
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keithzgHmm I see an "nmm:playlist" table but it's empty.01:22
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keithzgOh wait, there's a playlist folder in ~/Music and they're saved as .pls files, haha, how did I overlook that? That's perfect. Yet again I find myself appreciating the choices in SailfishOS :)01:24
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Stskeepsmorn07:09
Nicd-morning07:09
Nicd-the best way to start a saturday is sailfish app development in the morning07:10
Stskeepsi'd say coffee, but each to his own .. :)07:10
Nicd-refactored all my logic into javascript files07:12
Nicd-hopefully now I can gather them into a central place instead of being hidden in all the qml pages07:13
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william_genhi,who know when next EA(EA3) for nexus4 will pubilish?08:31
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fluxnice, this woudln't even need a custom ToH to add proper camera button to jolla :P : http://gizmodo.com/this-sticker-adds-four-customizable-buttons-to-your-and-156919920208:45
flux(well, it wouldn't give that, but I suppose that sticker can be nice fo some uses)08:45
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tbrwilliam_gen: usually when the next sailfish version comes out, so monthly, so in a week or two, I'd guess08:57
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william_gen1.0.5.16-->EA2,but 1.0.5.19 no EA309:14
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Stskeepswilliam_gen: ah, it just has mms fixes09:19
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Kiranoshm im on windows7 and latest jolla fw, how can the usb say not connected at present but still draw power from the usb connection? :P10:49
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Waiteei have several usb cables and only some of them work with jolla10:52
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Kiranoshm ok will have to try another one from work11:13
KiranosWaitee: thanks11:13
Waiteenot sure if some of them are broken :D11:13
Kiranosyea mine aint broken though, it works with my chromecast and the phone currently charges through it11:14
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Kiranoshm now I did always ask and reconnected, it let me choose which mode but when I took connect to pc it didnt take11:15
Kiranoswill turn it off and retry11:16
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Stskeepsworst things about cleaning your office table: when there's devices you can't seem to find12:19
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M4rtinKeven worse if you still can SSH to them :)12:47
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tbrM4rtinK: don't remind me...13:01
tbrM4rtinK: though if they have some sort of speaker you can make them squeak. ;)13:02
kimmoligst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/home/nemo/whitenoise.wav ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! alsasink13:14
Stskeepstbr: fuck! now i realized where it was13:14
Stskeepsssh'ed to it earlier and i realized.. it was on balcony doing gps tests13:14
tbr:D13:14
Stskeepsi think it might be dead13:14
tbrrain?13:14
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Stskeeps:nod:13:15
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ggabrielStskeeps: borrow wife's hair dryer :)13:15
tbrbiig pack of rice13:16
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ggabrieltbr: ah, neat trick13:17
tbrtaking it apart certainly helps too13:18
Stskeepsdidn't try to power it up13:18
* ggabriel remembers his resurrected-after-rain first nokia13:18
YanielStskeeps: sailfish app development does not imply coffee?13:19
kimmoliovernight in rice (non-cooked) works - tested after asfa gone in toilet... it was tempting to flush though13:19
kimmoli*asha13:20
tbr:D13:20
ggabrielkimmoli: lol13:22
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raa70=)13:32
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Anz_hei. how does the jolla browser user agent shown on facebook?  is it like 'firefox on linux' ??13:35
Temewhy would it be specific to facebook?13:37
Anz_jolla asked to re validate facebook account and on entering tje password, asked to review a login from13:37
Temeseems to be Firefox 29 on Linux13:37
tbrfacebook might think that as the engine is gecko and the useragent probably contains a "like foo bar"13:38
Temethismachine.info follows that logic too13:38
Anz_ok. thanks13:39
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.6-7 released. Download: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu Changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.6-714:53
Waiteeyay15:14
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Waiteeit's kinda funny that mitäkuuluu is propably the #1 3rd party app available for jolla and it's not downloadable through the jolla store15:21
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RzRhi is there a git client for sfos ?15:30
M4rtinKWaitee: well, it is not the only one :)15:30
WaiteeM4rtinK: true, and i know it's because of the policy for jolla store or something15:31
M4rtinKWaitee: even the foursquare client (FourSail) that is even used by Jolla people is not in the store :)15:31
vgradeRzR: git cli is on device15:31
M4rtinKWaitee: yeah, exactly15:31
M4rtinKWaitee: should get better once Qt 5.2 is in15:31
Waiteeokay15:31
M4rtinKWaitee: but I still think Jolla should have made an exception for the most popular apps provided their authors don't mind the possibility of the app breaking due to update15:32
M4rtinKWaitee: or if authors were fine with fixing the app before an update15:32
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RzRvgrade, stupid me :)15:39
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kalamadn1scoderus: my mitakuuluu seems to go offline randomly without any notice. so after a while i check it and when there is no messages, i restart it and then get tons of messages that weren't delivered earlier... it has been doing this at least for the 2 latest versions. (haven't installed the 0.6-7 yet)15:42
Nicd-coderus's speed of development is insane15:43
kalamadn1syes it is :) great job!15:44
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coderuskalamadn1s: its Sailfish feature15:47
coderusyou should enjoy it :)15:47
Nicd-my mitakuuluu has done that only once15:48
kalamadn1saaah nice :)15:48
Nicd-all other times the messages are received instantly15:48
kalamadn1si've had it quite many times now... well i can live with it :)15:49
coderuskalamadn1s:  add email with automatic sync and all will be okay :)15:51
kalamadn1sok, thx!15:53
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louisdkAnyone tried Snapchat on Jolla?16:33
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petantikI have it, but not treied it yet.16:56
Yanielwtf is this16:56
Yanielon my jolla, I 1) don't have fdisk 2) have mkfs.btrfs but no others16:57
StskeepsYaniel: hmmm16:57
Nicd-Yaniel: install them from mer-tools?16:57
Yanielnot found16:57
Nicd-I think I have mkfs.vfat from there16:57
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StskeepsYaniel: [root@Jolla nemo]# rpm -qf /sbin/fdisk17:14
Stskeepsutil-linux-2.22.2-1.1.2.armv7hl17:14
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Yanielhmm I'm pretty sure I didn't see it a moment ago17:17
Yanieloh well17:18
Yanielthey are all there now17:18
Stskeepsmaybe $PATH?17:18
Yanielyeah it does not have /sbin17:18
Yanielonly /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin17:19
Stskeepsnod17:19
Yanielis PATH inherited over SSH connections?17:20
Stskeepsno but there's some oddity there i think17:20
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stephgYaniel: devel-su or something else? /sbin is the first entry in my path if I'm root17:29
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stephgand you should also have a slew of mkfs.* commands, though iirc Stskeeps is correct about dosfsutils or whatever it's called being in mer-tools17:30
stephgdosfstools17:30
stephge2fsprogs for most of the others17:31
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Yanieljust as nemo17:37
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stephgyup not in nemo's path by default17:37
Yanielbut why is mkfs.btrfs?17:38
stephgI don't have an explanation other than the btrfs-progs package maintainer put it there17:40
stephgdo an rpm -ql btrfs-progs; rpm -ql e2fsprogs; to see what's where17:40
stephgi.e. the rest of them are in /sbin, but the btrfs devs put it in /usr/sbin which is in nemo's path17:41
stephgcue a long philosophical argument as to which system utils need to be where and why ;)17:42
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Yanielbleh17:44
stephghehe17:44
stephgyou love it really17:44
YanielI don't even have a /sbin on my pc17:46
stephgreally? that strikes me as a bit odd, which OS?17:47
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Yanielarch linux17:53
Yanielwell technically there is /sbin but it is just a symlink to /usr/bin17:53
stephgah17:53
Nicd-that's what the arch maintainers decided to do17:53
Nicd-they merged all the dirs17:54
stephgyesh17:54
stephgit's an outmoded concept now really17:54
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Stskeepssilly usability question19:04
Stskeepslastucase19:04
Stskeepsaren't you afraid somebody will steal it if you put it in places, like on a table, like you'd do with a mobile device?19:04
tbrhuh?19:07
Stskeepswell, it has your credit cards in it, as an example, or money19:12
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tbrah, I didn't bother looking into that19:17
M4rtinKso it is not just a piece of wood ?19:17
M4rtinKI though lastucase == that weird wooden TOH19:18
Stskeepsno, it's a credit card case too19:18
* tbr missed that19:18
tbralso thought it's just a wooden case19:19
M4rtinKoh19:21
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Stskeepshttp://lastucase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/LastuCase-for-iPhone-55s-Kaamos-Inside-300x300.jpg being iphone variant19:27
osatoni just keep my lunch card in it, so it's not a big problem19:29
osatonand it's usually in my pocket19:29
osatonand it's awesome19:29
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Stskeeps:nod:19:31
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ShadowJKArent you afraid somebody will steal it if you put it in places, like on a table?20:22
ShadowJKThat would equally apply to wallets :)20:22
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ShadowJK... except I probably do that with wallet more often than with phone20:22
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AardShadowJK: we're in finland... :p20:36
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meek_geekguys one question21:23
meek_geekHowz the Jolla Phone's display ?21:24
meek_geekIn the world of 1080p where does the qHD based Jolla stand ?21:24
* tbr almost never feels that21:25
* Yaniel sees pixels... when looking really closely21:25
tbrand I have a 1080 device next to it quite often21:26
Yanieland there are relatively sharp high-contrast lines21:26
* Skorpy personally doesn't see the point of high res display on a phone.21:26
Yanielhigh dpi > high res IMO21:26
Yanielalthough the former kind of implies the latter21:26
Skorpyyeah21:26
SkorpyI still don't see why they are needed.21:27
Yanieltext is generally much nicer to read at a high dpi21:27
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Yaniel(says the guy who uses a bitmap font in his irc terminal)21:28
Skorpy^21:28
slatefixedsys or go home21:28
slate;)21:28
YanielTerminus IYF21:28
meek_geekOk21:28
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Teguso if really you want 1080p, jolla is out of question21:29
Yanielmeek_geek: basically it is "good enough" as is21:30
Yanielunless you specifically want 1080p21:30
Teguthough usually the ones with 1080p are a bit larger21:30
Tegulike 5 inches or over21:30
Tegu(maybe there are smaller)21:30
slateIMO its "ok" when you get used to it. Just dont use a better one a second.21:31
meek_geekYaniel, qHD good enough ? you sure ?21:32
Yanielfor all I care so far, yes21:33
YanielI wouldn't mind a smaller screen with the same resolution though21:33
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meek_geekYaniel, but jolla is premium phone21:42
slatemid-priced21:43
slatenot premium21:43
YanielI bought it because of the SW, not the HW21:43
Yanielthe HW could be better yes21:44
slateI bought it because of the SW, sold it because of the HW21:44
Yanielbut for me it is sufficient for now21:44
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Tegutbh, it's slightly overpriced, which can only be justified if you want to support the company (imho, ofc)21:46
Yaniel^21:46
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meek_geekYaniel, Tegu I see that the project does not accept donations21:46
slateI'd pay the licenses to get it run 100% on nexus 5 HW21:46
YanielI thought of it a bit like a kickstarter project21:47
Yanielmeek_geek: it is a company. they get money by selling phones (and hopefully soon from licensing the OS)21:48
Yanielbut you can contribute to the underlying opensource projects if you want21:48
Yanielmer and nemo that is21:48
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meek_geekYaniel, yes sir I do not earn a lot .. I struggle and just happen to survive and live21:52
meek_geekI earn 175 GBP for now21:52
meek_geekevery month21:52
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meek_geekand just happen to live21:53
Teguyou'd better not waste it to any kind of smartphones then, I guess..21:53
meek_geekya21:53
meek_geekI think so21:53
meek_geekI get to pay my electricity bill and apartment rent21:53
meek_geekand for my food21:54
meek_geekand I save 10 GBP yet!21:54
meek_geek:]21:54
Yanielyeah the jolla might not exactly be suited for you just yet then21:54
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Yanielbut if you want to support them, by all means, see if there is something you are interested in doing for those OSS projects21:55
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meek_geekYaniel, I would buy a Revolution Phone for half the price and use Sailfish OS as they would put it on their cellphone its the phone where you get to install any community based OS21:59
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Yanieloh right22:04
Yanielr(e)synced my music collection22:04
Yanielnow I have to play tracker golf to get all of it to actually show up in media player again22:04
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Yanielis there a package I can install for additional terminfo files?22:11
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Yaniellooks like rxvt-unicode and rxvt-unicode-256color are missing by default22:11
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meek_geekhi22:25
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Yanielumh22:56
Yanielsomeone care to explain why tracker decided that the album cover for the trine 2 soundtrack is the file called "trine_2_ost_back_cover.jpg" and not "cover.jpg"?22:57
Yaniel(not it does not match the folder name)22:57
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M4rtinKbiggest filename wins! :)23:01
M4rtinKbut yeah, the cover selection is sometimes rather strange23:01
M4rtinKnot only on the Jolla though23:02
Yanielat least it seems it didn't omit (many) songs from the music library this time23:03
Yaniel.m4a embedded covers are still missing23:04
Yanieland then there are some covers that don't show up in the album/artist list23:04
Yanielbut do show up in the album view23:05
slatespotify ftw.23:05
Yanielmeh23:06
slate:)23:06
Yanielsure it is a nice thing to have around23:06
Yanielbut I prefer my physical disks (read: the flacs ripped from those)23:06
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Yaniel:( found a couple of incomplete albums aafter all23:12
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Dridk-sailfishrss client is the best apps of jolla23:39
Yanielwhich one?23:39
* Yaniel only used Tidings23:40
Dridk-sailfish"irc for jolla 0.5"23:40
Dridk-sailfishit makes me understrand the strange sailfish ui23:41
Yanielaka communi-sailfish23:41
TurskiDridk-sailfish: except that it uses some non-standard elements afaik23:49
Dridk-sailfishTurski: like what?23:50
TurskiDridk-sailfish: wait a minute, were you talking about rss-client or irc-client?23:50
Dridk-sailfishirc23:50
Dridk-sailfisharf...23:50
Dridk-sailfishsorry... i wrote rss instead irc23:51
TurskiDridk-sailfish: doesn't it have some fancy side-pulley-menus23:51
Turskihaven't tried it myself, but i've seen the video about it23:51
Dridk-sailfishyes. they are left and right pull23:52
Turskiyep, those are not silica elements23:52
Turskiand you can't find them from any other app23:52
Dridk-sailfishok..23:53
Turskinot meaning that it would be hard to implement23:53
Dridk-sailfishis there a store for dev apps?23:53
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TurskiDridk-sailfish: what you mean with dev apps?23:54
Dridk-sailfishi mean beta stage of apps23:54
Turskiopenrepos.net23:54
Turskibut be careful with it23:55
Dridk-sailfishis there a client to install package?23:55
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Turskiwarehouse is the openrepos.net client23:56
Turskiand ofcourse you can install single packages from commandline23:57
Dridk-sailfishok. tks23:57
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