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lpotteryes, amazon store does work00:25
KabouikSo there's a problem with mine, but don't know how to identify the cause00:26
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netzviehKabouik: you installed just the amazon store apk? or is there some fiddling you need to do to get it running?00:29
KabouikI just installed the apk00:29
netzviehwell I have to wait for some jobs to finish, might aswell try to help :D00:30
KabouikTime to have a shower in the meantime! :P I'll come back later and see if you're available, otherwise I'll go to sleep (early wake up in 5 hours)00:31
netzviehKabouik: well it's 2:30 am here so I won't be around for too long ;)00:32
KabouikSame here!00:32
netzviehwell I just tried with the free app of the day00:36
netzviehand it worked just fine00:36
KabouikCrap00:36
KabouikWell no, good00:36
KabouikBut it proves there's an issue with mine00:36
KabouikAnd I have no idea what it is. Internet connection is working00:36
netzviehhave you tried another app?00:37
KabouikYep, a free app of the day too00:39
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netzviehhmm, that's strange. I'm not sure if there's a way to log/monitor the android network stuff from the jolla side00:41
KabouikI may end up removing Alien and resinstalling all from scratch, but it will be a hassle to reinstall all .apk files00:42
KabouikI have an issue with Google Play crashing 100% of the time too, even after reinstallation00:42
KabouikSo wiping the folders corresponding to Alien on the Jolla and then reinstalling it might help00:42
KabouikBut I keep postponing since months :P00:43
netzviehwell I usually wipe once between updates, because i broke something on the device :D00:43
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KabouikAll my .apk files should be in /data/app so it might not be that difficult to reinstall everything00:45
KabouikBut my motivation is around 0 :P00:45
netzviehhehe00:55
KabouikWell, time to go to bed! Thanks netzvieh, good night$01:04
netzviehgood night :)01:04
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william_genhi,howto ssh to N4 with sailfish os?08:14
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PaulePanterHi. Ordering a Jolla phone, I find it pretty perky, that it is *required* to enter a telephone number!08:15
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william_gen1. Enable remote connection in Settings->System->Developer mode08:16
william_gen2. Set your USB interface on host machine to IP 192.168.2.208:16
PaulePanterI hope Sailfish OS is less interested in my privacy. Almost stopped me from buying the Jolla phone.08:16
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william_genBUT where to set USB interface on host machine  IP ?08:16
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dunpifconfig on linux08:20
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MFaro-TusinoPaulePanter: That would be for the courier when they send out the phone. AFAIK, EVERYONE needs to give a phone number when sending larger parcels through mail or courier08:20
MFaro-TusinoIts not Joll, its simply the law08:21
PaulePanterMFaro-Tusino: No other online shop forced me to give my phone number.08:23
PaulePanter*has ever forced08:23
MFaro-TusinoOnline shops for mobile phones?08:23
PaulePanterMFaro-Tusino: No, for TVs or other PC parts.08:23
Stskeepsfwiw, we ship with courier, and they very often require phone number as addresses etc get messed up, and calling makes sure people are home08:24
PaulePanterStskeeps: Well, then it is my problem. I should not be forced to give it. Simple as that. Privacy is more important.08:24
MFaro-TusinoNever NOT been asked for my number for ordering anything online worth more than $10008:24
PaulePanterYou can give a note, saying you recommend it and that is better for the package to get delivered.08:24
MFaro-TusinoBut everyone is entitled to their personal preference on privacy08:25
Stskeepsanyway, -- you can try to contact care about this topic08:25
PaulePanterStskeeps, MFaro-Tusino: I’ll do that.08:25
PaulePanterThanks everyone.08:25
Stskeeps(also, this isn't an official support channel)08:25
PaulePanterStskeeps: Is there an official one? I guess only mail, right?08:25
Stskeepsmail is only real way in practice, for this kind of thing :)08:26
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chem|stif it is the law... why wasn't I asked for a number when importing stuff with special care at the airport (importing laboratory equipment of the red list, €15k)?09:17
Stskeepsi don't know about it being the law, fwiw09:19
chem|stwell, it's not the law, obviously ;)09:19
chem|stPaulePanter: do you have friends with whatsapp and facebook?09:19
chem|stor hike.in or something?09:20
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chem|stonce your data is uploaded to one of them you may stop pcaring about your data, I got a voucher from a pornsite for my 28th birthday to my private email, with my name spelled right, with the correct birthday... invitations to IM services via SMS, notifying me about friends using it (nickname or even realname)09:24
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ggabrielchem|st: are you saying that you only have one real name???!!! :-)09:26
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stephgand does it have a pipe in it ;)09:27
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netzviehregarding the tel# guy ^ when I'm forced and don't want to give it, I give a fake number? where's the problem with that?09:48
ggabrielnothing afaik09:48
ggabrielthey just can't contact you to offer great deals09:48
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netzviehwell the only one trying to contact me via phone for ads is my soon ex-ISP wanting me to stay, but I usually don't give my tel#09:50
netzvieh10min till meeting :)09:50
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rangoygive a fake number when you order, suddenly your jolla is delivered to some random luck bastard :)09:53
Stskeepsremember, community meeting in 6 minutes in #mer-meeting09:54
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walokraeasier to just read the meetup notes than idle :)10:08
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chem|stggabriel: nope I do have several... but the one used in the mail is the one of my birthcertificate...10:09
chem|stnetzvieh: soon ex isp?10:10
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netzviehchem|st: switching my internet service provider10:14
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chem|stnetzvieh: and that got your mobile number?10:26
chem|stor landline10:27
netzviehlandline, since i head landline with them aswell10:27
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PaulePanterchem|st: I think so, but I do not use these services myself.10:42
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PaulePanterchem|st: Do you mean these services harvest my phone number despite they should not?10:42
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pp10:48
netzviehPaulePanter: if your friends have fb app on their phone, fb has your tel# and other stuff10:48
PaulePanternetzvieh: That’s unfortunate. Thank you. I suspected it, but never heard it directly.10:49
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PaulePanterAnyway, Jolla should set a good example and give me more reasons to tell my friends about good things to convince them to buy a Jolla phone.10:50
PaulePanterJust for your interest, I contacted care@jolla.com and they forwarded the request to the security team.10:51
chem|stPaulePanter: they harvest phonebooks, so if any of your friends has your name and number they have your name and number10:51
PaulePanterI also asked them to create a GnuPG key for <care@jolla.com>.10:51
PaulePanterchem|st: Yes, thanks for making me aware of that.10:52
chem|stPaulePanter: how do you think hike.in got my name and number to send me a SMS?10:52
PaulePanterchem|st: No idea. I never heard about “hike.in” before.10:53
chem|styou may take care of your privacy as good as you can, but a single friend who does not take care fscks you over for good10:53
PaulePanterchem|st: I know.10:53
chem|stPaulePanter: hike.in is just another whatsapp10:53
PaulePanterchem|st: I see.10:53
chem|stproprietary IM10:53
PaulePanterchem|st: Still, I am an optimist and hope hike.in and Facebook won’t give access to third party or Jolla. So chances are a little higher less people, I do not want to have my number, know my number.10:55
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AardPaulePanter: well, you should hope that they do give us permission to integrate it properly, as the integrated service won't do bad things with your data :p10:57
netzviehAard: "signondb accessible": This will be changed in the upcoming update, with a bigger change in privilege handling. This is code was inherited from the N9 (masked by aegis there), and is shared with Ubunutu (the privilege control bit is Jolla specific, though) -- could you elaborate a bit more? :)10:59
Aardon which bit?11:00
netzviehthe planned privilege handling11:00
tango_planned parenthood11:01
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Aardnetzvieh: the original privilege handling was basically a quick hack to make things suck less + conform with some TOS. what we did now was auditing all services requiring something with privileges, still using the same technology, and tie down privileges on several locations + adjust services when necessary. together with that we're introducing stuff like an unprivileged contacts database11:08
netzviehAard: thanks :)11:10
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Yanielcan haz meeting logs?12:42
ggabrielYaniel: they normally email them to devel-sailfish12:42
ggabrielwith a link and whatnot12:42
Yanielsomeone might have had the link at hand here too12:43
Yanielwhatever12:43
ggabrielit wasn't emailed yet12:43
Yaniel(I'm not on the list)12:43
ggabrielYaniel: i'll share when i get it then :)12:44
Yanielokay, thanks :)12:44
SK_workggabriel: Yaniel http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-06-10.00.log.html12:45
ggabrielSK_work: thanks12:46
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Yanielty12:47
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SK_workpvuorela: can you come on #sailfishos ? :)13:01
pvuorelasure.13:01
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raa70goddamn reboots15:26
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Yaniel*sigh* someone could tell tracker that this is not even fun anymore17:08
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Yanielremoved the files, rsynced them back, restarted tracker17:28
Yanieland guess what: nothing in media player17:28
Yanieland one stuck tracker-extract process17:28
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Anz_where to find mitakuuluu support?18:00
slateFrom coderus18:00
raa70tmo thread18:02
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coderus:)18:42
slatehelpdesk closed?18:43
slate:D18:43
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Yanieldoesn't seem like it is indexing the sd card after all?19:11
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Yaniellots of "extraction task went rogue and took more than 20 seconds" in journal19:16
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Yanieland then "Got second extraction DBus error on" a lot of files19:19
Yanieland then nothing else happens19:19
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tango_hm does the builtin browser support webrtc?20:09
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EztranHTML5test suggests not.20:12
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Turskihttp://turski.dy.fi/foo/kappyra.png22:58
Turskimy first battery curve \o22:58
Turskitime to go sleep now...22:58
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