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CraigAanyone flying in to Canada anytime soon?03:13
CraigAmy jolla is nearly destroyed, I could use another. Will pay for services03:14
Bu23China Piaoguo03:15
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walokraCraigA: to Toronto on mid-July05:06
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CraigA:o05:06
CraigAif you would be willing, I'd buy and ship to you and pay you for bringing it05:07
walokraisn't there easier way for you to get one?05:07
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CraigAwalokra > ship to UK to a forwarding service, then pay them to ship it to me is really my only other option. chat later, way too late here05:46
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walokraCraigA: ok, the day just started here :)05:53
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Sail0rhm :-/ my jolla started to shutoff in some situations :-/06:50
Yanielwelcome to the... umm.. whatever06:51
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Sail0rIt does not even log smth06:52
Sail0rit just goes off if I pull the battery out06:52
Sail0r+as06:53
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ln-what does Optima Service do to cause that kind of sharp-edged scratch to the metal body: http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/kuvat/jolla_after.jpg06:55
Stskeepswell, you can probably complain about that..06:56
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ln-i did, to care@, and asked them to comment about it and propose a solution, but they haven't answered within almost a week.06:58
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Stskeepsnod06:59
Stskeeps(this being my personal opinion)06:59
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Nicd-ln-: I have that but it's my own fault :P07:01
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FireFlySail0r: tried the paper-pushing-the-battery trick?07:05
ln-Nicd-: how did you do it?07:05
Nicd-I don't know. I've dropped it a couple of times :/07:05
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Nicd-those kind of marks appear over time on any device I have...07:06
Nicd-even my ipod with really round corners has them07:06
FireFlyI've only gotten similar marks on the OH07:06
Nicd-but chicks dig scars, don't they?07:07
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Nicd-anyway, my devices are meant to be used so I don't mind scratches, they're inevitable07:07
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kimmoli_sailingbut it sux when scratch screen on day one...07:10
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TemeVkimmoli_sailing: isn't it just good thing to get it done. After that you don't have to be careful anymore since it is already scratched :)07:25
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kimmoli_sailing:)07:26
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walokrayeah, when I got my HTC Sensation I dropped it to asphalt on day 1. Luckily I had it on case and only the top corner got dented07:33
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walokraafter that you are not so afraid about denting it :)07:36
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niuranhi,i have done the battery and the paper trick, it's early to test if there are not restarts, but the connectivity problems remains09:11
niuranminutes ago the internet data option in settings just dissapeared09:12
niuranit reappeared after reboot the phone09:12
niuranand now it seems to be fine09:13
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Azoghappens to me from time to time, too09:14
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ggabrielo/09:15
niuranonly well connected under Wi-Fi09:15
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ggabrieli cracked my screen yesterday :(09:24
ggabrielbut it was weird09:24
ggabrieli dropped the phone, the screen was perfectly unscratched, frame had a couple of dents09:24
Stskeeps:(09:24
ggabrielbut a few hours later I noticed that it was cracked09:25
Stskeepsyeah.. i think cracks develop over time09:25
ggabrielperhaps metal isn't such a good idea to use as frame09:25
Nicd-:(09:25
Stskeepsif you want to see something scary, look at what happens in cracks in airplane fuselages..09:25
Stskeeps:P09:25
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ggabrieli mean... it's a proper crack from side to side09:25
ggabrielStskeeps: :)09:25
Nicd-I have a couply of small scratches that are only visible in the right light09:25
Nicd-couple*09:25
ggabrieli'll apply a nasty screen protector09:25
elias_aWhat material is Jolla "glass"?09:25
ggabrielelias_a: gorilla 209:26
elias_aggabriel: Does not tell me anything about the material09:26
ggabrielmy crack goes all the way tho, i'm worried i can eventually break it properly09:26
elias_aSome sort of polycarbonate?09:26
ggabrielelias_a: search for it and find out? it's reinforced glass09:26
Nicd-"Gorilla Glass is the registered trademark for an alkali-aluminosilicate sheet toughened glass"09:26
elias_aOk.09:26
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ggabrielnow, on the flip side09:27
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elias_aClose enough to car winscreens.09:27
ggabrielthis gives me the perfect excuse to buy the second iteration of the jolla :P09:27
elias_aggabriel: Your case imho is the same as with windscreen cracks.09:27
ggabrielelias_a: probably triggered by the fall09:28
ggabrielmy point is: if the frame were plastic, this may not have happened09:28
elias_aYou get a stone or a stud in the windscreen -> small point shaped damage.09:28
ggabrielok09:28
ggabrieli'm talking about a crack that goes from side to side, full glass, and goes as deep as the glass is too09:29
elias_aThen the temperature changes take care of the rest.09:29
ggabrieltrue09:29
elias_aExactly.09:29
ggabriellife goes on tho ;-)09:29
Nicd-I remember when a friend dropped her brand new Galaxy Note on the pavement, it got cracked from side to side on the middle of the screen. she almost cried09:30
elias_aBut it is not due to the frame material imho. Here in Finland you see windscreen cracks even in old cars in which the glass is not glued to the chassi.09:30
Nicd-I'm paranoid about my Jolla...09:31
elias_aA rubber seal in between the windscreen hole and the glass means much less tension. Still they crack.09:31
ggabrielframe material can absorb shock and mitigate cracks i think09:31
elias_aggabriel: True, but if you check the crack carefully, you probably find a spot where it has started.09:34
elias_aYou really cannot avoid that phenomenon with present hardened sheet glasses.09:34
ggabrielfair09:35
ggabrieli won't check it09:35
ggabrielwill just cover it with a protector and hope for the best09:35
elias_aBTW - is the jolla glass available somewhere for DYI dudes like me?09:37
ggabrielnot that i know of09:37
Nicd-you'll have to ask gorilla09:37
ggabrieli wouldn't mind a spare either09:37
Nicd-well, corning09:37
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Nicd-or do you mean the exact component for jolla devices?09:38
Nicd-to replace yourself09:38
ggabrieli meant the spare for jolla :)09:39
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Nicd-think only optima has those for now09:39
Nicd-aside from jolla09:39
kimmoliheh, frst aliexpress stuff for Jolla has arrived .. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sweatproof-Solf-Armband-Running-bag-Sports-Cover-Gym-Arm-Band-case-for-Jolla-4-5-Snapdragon/1569944771.html09:39
Nicd-hehe, love that it shows an iphone in the pic09:40
ggabrielNicd-: do you know if you can buy that outside .fi?09:40
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Nicd-what, that armband?09:41
ggabrielno, a spare glass :)09:41
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ggabrielthey'll just repair i guess09:41
ggabrieln/m09:42
Nicd-you can't buy it in finland either09:42
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kimmolii ordered one of these, will provide "review"... http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-5-inch-Jolla-Cell-phone-case-New-arrival-wallet-Flip-Leather-case-Cover-for-Jolla/1687917606.html09:44
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Mnsu_kimmoli: thanks for the link, gonna order one for myself too09:47
niuranMe too, sadly there are not vertical flip one09:48
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kimmolidon't .#blamekimmo if it does not fit :)09:50
ggabrielkimmoli: too late ;-)09:50
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niuranmmm,dont like the fix systen09:53
niuranm09:53
niuranwill wait for one that fits exactly09:53
kimmoliyeah, seems that there is no camera opening either09:54
CissWithttp://www.insmat.fi/en/products//product/650-2088_exclusive-flip-case-for-jolla-phone-black <- im thinking about ordering this one09:55
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kimmolithat should be good choice, i have heard09:55
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StskeepsREMINDER: Next meeting on SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: today in 2 minutes, https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004152.html09:58
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niuranthat looks much better10:00
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nailbarHi all! I have in my hand a brand new Jolla (version 1.0.0.5) with no apps installed. It refuses to upgrade saying "Problem with store". Any hints on what to do?10:15
Stskeepsdid you tocuh developer updates in any way?10:15
nailbarNope10:15
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ggabrielnailbar: I assume you set up a jolla account and that it owrks?10:16
nailbarYep10:16
nailbarThough I've tried developer mode and pkcon refresh and whatnot and that didn't help either. Phone is now reset and I've not installed or touched anything.10:16
ggabrielsearch tjc, there may be ideas out ther10:17
ggabriel+e10:17
nailbarAre you referring to a channel or site or keyword?10:18
ggabrieltogether.jolla.com10:18
nailbarAlright10:18
ggabrielnailbar: probably worth trying your jolla account's user/pass in accounts.jolla.com (or something like that) to check that it works outside the phone10:19
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nailbarTried. Works.10:21
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nailbarJust enabled dev mode. pkcon refresh says "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)"10:23
Stskeepsnailbar: sounds like you touched 'developer updates'10:23
nailbarNope10:23
Stskeepstrust me10:23
Stskeeps:P10:23
ggabrieldef sounds like it10:23
Stskeepsdo a factory reset, log in with jolla account, then all should work again10:23
nailbarHow can I check if I've done that?10:23
ggabrieleven if you switched it on/off quickly10:23
Stskeepsdon't touch the 'developer updates' thing in developer mode10:23
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nailbarI've done the factory reset about 7 times today10:23
nailbarNever touched developer updates10:24
Stskeepshmm10:24
Stskeeps1.0.0.5 had some really nasty bugs in that regard, so10:24
ggabrielunless the repo for 1.0.0.5 is broken?10:24
nailbarCould it be a server side problem?10:24
Stskeepsit's not impossible, but shouldn't be10:24
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Stskeepsi will test a 1.0.0.5 later, but, factory reset, log in with jolla account in the startup wizard, install no apps, then upadte10:25
nailbarYeah that's what I did and when that didn't work I came here10:25
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coderushttps://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/jolla-apps/1.0.0.5/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml working for me10:33
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ggabrielnailbar: the only other thing I can think of is whether you are connected to a network that doesn't restrict you10:39
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nailbarI don't think the network is restricting my traffic. I can install the default apps (except for maps) without a problem.10:42
javispedromay it be a temporary cloudfront fluke on your area?10:43
nailbarNot entirely sure what that means :-)10:44
ggabrieljavispedro means amazon clooud being rubbish10:44
ggabrielwhich is where the repos are hosted10:44
javispedroI see a cloudfront url above10:45
javispedrooh, cloudfront==amazon I guess10:45
nailbarHmm. I could load the repo xml file in my browser and this computer is on the same network..10:45
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nailbarStill refusing to download update, though. Never gets past the initial ~5%10:46
joonahoinailbar: are you on wifi or 3g?10:47
joonahoior have you tried both10:47
nailbarTried both10:47
joonahoiok10:47
nailbarOne at the time and both at the same time. Nothing.10:47
coderusnailbar: can you do the same with zypper and paste output?10:47
nailbarI may need some more hints on how to do that. Zypper is the cli version?10:48
ggabrielnailbar: pkcon is the official way, zypper is an extra tool10:48
ggabriel(for zypper you need mer-tools iirc)10:49
nailbarso pkcon install mer-tools ?10:49
ggabrielno, ssu ar mer-tools10:49
coderuspkcon install zypper10:50
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coderusand then zypper ref10:50
nailbarThe ssu command gave no output at least10:51
ggabrielafter ssu, pkcon refresh10:51
ggabrielthen what coderus said10:51
ggabriel(may work without refresh, but better safe than sorry)10:51
nailbarpkcon refresh still giving me the Authentication failed error but it finds zypper when I run pkcon install zypper10:52
nailbarinstallin..10:52
nailbarAh must be root10:53
nailbarfor zypper ref10:53
nailbarWas there a default password or sudo or something?10:54
ggabrielther is no sude ootb10:54
ggabrielsudo even10:54
Nicd-devel-su10:54
ggabrielthe password is what you set up in settings/dev mode10:54
ggabrieland do what Nicd- says10:54
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Nicd-nailbar: just for fun, try what 'ssu domain' says10:55
nailbardomain is sales, I understand that's correct10:56
coderuspkcon install sudo10:56
Nicd-nailbar: ok, good10:56
nailbarpackageKit is blocking zypper10:56
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SK_worknailbar: allow unplocking10:57
nailbaraight10:57
nailbarstill running. Probably busy (try again)10:57
nailbarTrying again...10:57
SK_worknailbar: it's checking for sw update maybe10:58
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nailbarIt keeps asking me for authentication for 'store'.10:59
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SK_worknailbar: interesting11:01
nailbarUuh more interesting: Firefox can't find the server at accounts.jolla.com.11:01
sdjaynanailbar: could you pm me your jolla account username? i can check our logs.. (sorry i joined the conversation late)11:01
SK_worknailbar: remove and readd your jolla account ?11:01
nailbarI was going to test the username/password11:01
sdjaynanailbar: https://account.jolla.com not accounts11:01
sdjaynanailbar: also removing/adding your jolla account on the device again is also a good idea as suggested11:02
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nailbarDoing remove/add now...11:03
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coderusnailbar: which repo asking for credentials?11:10
nailbarI'll check in a jiffy11:11
nailbarRunning pkcon refresh right now and it's being very sluggish...11:12
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nailbarSo the problem may be server side and a fix is coming. I just got lucky :-)11:20
nailbarAccording to sdjayna, that is.11:20
sdjaynayeah sorry folks, working on rolling out a fix now11:20
sdjaynaonly effects new accounts added to devices since late yesterday i believe11:21
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Quuwhy did you broke it? :<11:26
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nailbarDownloading system update!11:38
Nicd-oooh you scared me11:38
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coderusaAazxszazXCXSZ  cz11:46
coderusaAazxszazXCXSZ  czHGTRA11:46
coderusaAazxszazXCXSZ  czHGTRAuhtrSD11:46
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javispedrotesting a new ROT13 encrypted IM protocol?11:46
coderusjust a kitten, sorry :D11:47
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Teme:D11:47
chem|sta kitten once managed to type "rm -rf" in a terminal window... better lock your kbd!11:48
coderusi'm just ctrl+shift+f6 when afk for long11:48
coderusctrl+alt+f6*11:49
coderusbut i wasnt afk, i tried to catch kitten :D11:49
niurankitten over keyboard,  looking at you saying "ey, i am here" and you answer "i know"11:52
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the_mgtso, is there a solution to those random reboots and retyping of the sim pin?11:54
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Stskeepsretyping of sim pin -> talk to care11:54
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chem|stcoderus: if a kitten can accidentally format your drives, it can also login and format your drive^^11:57
Sailor341_(hate this connectivity )11:58
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kimmolicoderus:  place a empty box on your desk. kitten goes there and not on your kbd12:07
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Waitee:312:08
Waiteekittens12:08
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gabriel9|workdoes jolla plans to create toh keyboard?12:25
Waiteenot officially at least12:25
gabriel9|workwhy the hell not, i is gold mine :D12:25
gabriel9|worki would buy one for sure12:25
Nicd-it's not that easy to just whip keyboards out of thin air12:26
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gabriel9|worki know, but the reason i buy this phone is for hardware keyboard :/12:27
TemeVgabriel9|work: that's quite stupid reason, since it does not have one :)12:28
Waiteeif they produce an official hw keyboard toh they would need to provide universal support for it12:28
gabriel9|workwell from day one they talked about it, people wrote about it...12:28
Waiteeand it would have to be cheap enough, good quality, not too big etc12:28
TemeVit has always been a "possibility"12:29
gabriel9|worki know it would not be cheap, and they would needed to adapt some apps...12:29
gabriel9|workadapt is not a word i think :D12:30
joonahoigabriel9|work: well, there is a prototype batch of hw keyboard tohs by dirkvl12:30
gabriel9|worki follow his work, and he finished first batch12:31
gabriel9|workand i read that he does not plan to continue working on it12:31
joonahoino wonder, it's a crapton of work when handmade12:32
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Waiteeyup12:32
TemeVgabriel9|work: it is open source, just print you own hwkb :)12:32
Waiteei guess the keyboard tohs by dirkvl are too bulky for mass market12:33
TemeVand unreliable12:33
TemeVAt least there seems to be problems with the cable12:34
kimmolithere is some rumors about rev2 ...12:35
TemeVyeah, but dirkvl (or anyone else for that matter) has not confirmed it12:36
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TemeVthere is the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9315612:38
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kimmoliI might have heard something that it will not be 3d printed...12:42
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TemeVThen it sounds expensive or a large batch12:42
TemeVmolds for plastic parts cost a fortune12:43
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elias_aTemeV: Define fortune :)12:44
elias_a4 k€ is the price class for a PE mold.12:45
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TemeVyep, but I doubt one mold is enough12:46
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kimmoli2 molds in one frame, calculated with some online estimator, roughly 2500 USD, material price almost nothing, so e.g. 100 pcs ~ 25 USD/pc is about the same that it costs printed from shapeways12:50
TemeVok, that doesn't sound that bad12:51
Nicd-oh, dirkvl has his own online OH store. they look pretty cool12:52
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TemeVWell, there is still some financial risk to take. Let's hope he is willing to take it :)12:54
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gabriel9|worksorry i was working, so he is working on rev2. I still think jolla should help him13:15
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Teguhm, sometimes the default browser stops registering link presses and you can only zoom. fortunately, a quick restart helps, but tyen again sometimes you wouldn't want to refresh the page (forms or whatever)13:29
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rangoyare we seeing a update this week?14:20
rangoy(as this http://www.jollausers.com/2014/05/whats-next-jolla-italian-community-meetup-summary/ page suggest, update 6 should arrive this week)14:21
niurani have read it to14:22
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niuranit should be great14:22
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sharpneli"device is getting hot. Please close all apps"15:07
sharpneliwat. cpu usage is 10% or so15:07
Nicd-so... are there written instructions somewhere for the paper + battery trick?15:08
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gexcimpedance issue?15:09
Nicd-I don't know what the real issue is but I'm getting shutdowns when I have my finger on the display15:10
sharpneliAnd now it booted. The device xoesnt even feel warm15:10
sharpneliHeat spreader broken?15:10
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kjokiniesharpneli: afaik there is a fix coming in next release.. something about odd bad reading from temperature sensor once in a rare occasion. Haven't seen that on my device though15:11
sharpneliAh. Good to know15:11
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Nicd-ok, I put some paper to jam the battery into place15:27
Nicd-let's hope it helps15:27
Nicd-btw, I love that the phone shows the battery percentage when charging even when it's off15:28
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nadriel_My Jolla just went dark and gives me red LED.16:06
nadriel_Is this bad?16:06
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Teguweird, everybody seems to be having these issues lately16:07
armaybe it's just the battery?16:07
nadriel5 applications open, clock, browser, MeeCast, Messages and phone. Tried to open calls and it froze, screen went black and only red LED.16:08
nadrielnarp, 50% charge16:08
nadrielOkay, 49%16:09
nadrielFirst time I had to remove battery to solve a problem on this phone.16:09
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nadriellast time I rebooted was with update. I think this is solid, but weird nonetheless.16:10
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javispedrooh, didn't see this: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-snapshot16:34
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javispedrobtw, what would be the chapeast way to get access to source code for sailfish packages (as in SbJ versions)?16:36
javispedroe.g. is qt5-qtgui-5.1.0+git34-1.13.3.srpm available anywhere? does one still need to ask for a DVD?16:36
locusfoh nice spot on the snapshot tool16:41
* javispedro has no idea whether jolla's qt is closer to qt5.1 or qt5.216:41
locusfI wonder if nemomobile rootfs is possible16:41
locusfof course with HA bits16:42
javispedroI have no idea in which context that tool is supposed to be run from16:42
javispedrorescue mode seems most likely, though16:42
Raimjavispedro: if it helps, the DVD for the 1.0.4.20 release is available here: http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/16:44
javispedroRaim: yeah, that's recent enough, so it helps. ty16:45
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Raimjavispedro: you actually need to thank tbr, who went through the request process and uploaded it.16:46
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locusfjavispedro: might be that this tool is run inside Jolla16:48
Stskeepsjavispedro: github.com/mer-packages/ for qtbase16:49
Stskeepswe're working on a saner way to rely what exact tag is in use16:49
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javispedroooh, gtgui is qtbase16:51
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* javispedro facepalm16:52
javispedrook, thanks Stskeeps too.16:52
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Stskeepsrpm -q --info16:53
Stskeepsalways good16:53
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javispedrobtw, my factory-@ is 1.0.5.1616:59
javispedroso I guess new base images are already being shipped.16:59
Stskeepswell, service reflashes them17:01
Stskeepsgood thing it's not the 'let's lock the bootloader' one17:01
javispedrooh, I completely forgot trying that!17:01
* javispedro googles "jolla rescue together", finds the phrase funny for some reason17:02
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javispedrohey, it was already unlocked. must have done it while sleeping =)17:07
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Andenis this a good channel to report bugs?17:11
Andeni reported one yesterday but not sure anyone took notice17:12
Pnuutogether.jolla.com is the best place17:13
Andenok thanx17:13
AnzAnden: post as 'bug' in together.jolla.com or if its related to a particular app, at.tje place recommended by tje developer17:14
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Andeni assume together.jolla.com then as it's in the official media player17:18
flanagAnden: if I remember your posts from yesterday correctly, I think at least some of those bugs have already been reported17:19
flanagso look for them first using the search so you won't make a duplicate17:19
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flanagHas anyone else here had problems with sending emails through certain email providers? I've been testing some free email providers and I haven't really seen any problems except with "Zoho.com". I can add it fine and I can see my emails fine but I can't send anything. I get an error (freely translated) "problem with signing in" and the email just stays in the outbox. Any suggestions? I'm pretty sure all the details are right as I19:30
flanag've inputted them multiple times and other email services work beautifully. If I remember correctly, VDVsx was the guy answering to email related questions on together earlier. Are you here?19:30
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flanag(And the Zoho.com account works fine with Thunderbird so it's not that simple.)19:31
VDVsxflanag, yes, without logs hard to guess what's wrong, but looks like authentication problem19:31
VDVsxflanag, what server address and port you use ?19:32
flanagOutgoing Server Name: smtp.zoho.com19:32
flanag Port: 46519:32
flanagfrom here: https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/imap-access.html19:32
VDVsxand you selected Authentication: password right ?19:34
flanagyup19:34
VDVsxlet me see if I can get a free account to try here19:35
flanagyeah, that would probably be the easiest way for you to test for the problem :)19:36
flanagVDVsx: seems that someone else is having the same problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/39681/zohocom-mail-exchange-gets-stuck-in-outbox/19:37
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VDVsxflanag, but that's for exchange, you are using SMTP19:45
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flanagwell yes19:46
VDVsxwe can't afford to support none standard implementations of exchange at this point, too small team and no test servers, etc...19:46
flanagI understand that19:46
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flanagVDVsx: well, SMTP should still work for pretty much any provider?19:48
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VDVsxyes19:50
VDVsxunless they use Auth methods we don't support19:51
VDVsxthere's few like that19:51
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flanagI'm not even actually using Zoho.com (at least not yet) but it would be still nice to know if the problem is something Jolla can fix (if it's not me failing which I doubt, but possible of course)19:52
gogeta_zoho.com stmp ?19:52
flanaggogeta_: yes19:53
gogeta_give me some seconds19:53
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gogeta_250-mx.zohomail.com Hello babel.it (net-93-70-187-234.cust.vodafonedsl.it (93.70.187.234))19:53
gogeta_250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN19:53
gogeta_250 SIZE 2500000019:53
gogeta_i use an stmps server like that and work flowless19:54
gogeta_---19:54
gogeta_220 smtp.par-tec.it ESMTP MSA Posta Elettronica Par-Tec S.p.A.19:54
gogeta_ehlo babel.it19:54
gogeta_250-smtp.par-tec.it19:54
gogeta_250-PIPELINING19:54
gogeta_250-SIZE 4194304019:54
gogeta_250-VRFY19:54
gogeta_250-ETRN19:54
gogeta_250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN19:54
gogeta_250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES19:54
gogeta_250-8BITMIME19:54
gogeta_250 DSN19:54
gogeta_this is mine server19:54
sledgesuse pastie pls19:55
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gogeta_---19:56
gogeta_220 smtp.par-tec.it ESMTP MSA Posta Elettronica Par-Tec S.p.A.19:56
gogeta_ehlo babel.it19:56
gogeta_250-smtp.par-tec.it19:56
gogeta_250-PIPELINING19:56
gogeta_250-SIZE 4194304019:56
gogeta_250-VRFY19:56
gogeta_250-ETRN19:56
gogeta_250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN19:56
gogeta_250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES19:56
gogeta_250-8BITMIME19:56
Stskeepsgogeta_: pastie.org, please19:56
gogeta_250 DSN19:56
gogeta_sorry master19:56
gogeta_sorry master19:56
* sledges sighs19:56
gogeta_every time x-chat paste it self19:56
gogeta_sorry again19:56
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VDVsxflanag, server just denies connection, no apparent problem in Jolla side, lots of issues with their SMTP just check google, here it says that you need to verify the account for sending, not sure where to do that: https://zohomail.wiki.zoho.com/Send-Mail-as.html20:10
flanagVDVsx: weeeell, I have sent some test emails from the account with Thunderbird and it has worked fine20:11
flanagAnd if you are talking about this "You need to verify the account first to enable sending outgoing email from the account." it means that you have to verify your account like any other account to any service (through the other email like gmail address that you gave them when registering)20:12
flanagdid you verify it?20:13
VDVsxno :P20:13
flanag:D20:13
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VDVsxflanag, server is bogus, it advertise wrong capabilities, thunderbird is probably smarter and tries all auths20:28
VDVsxif I change via command line LOGIN auth it works20:28
VDVsxis even mentioned in some articles, for example: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=10947720:29
VDVsxserver says: RECV: "250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN"20:30
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flanagVDVsx: can anything be done about that?20:38
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VDVsxflanag, yup, have plans to improve that to deal with this cases, for the time being if you have console skills you can change the auth type and make it work20:39
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flanagVDVsx: Well, I might try it at some point but I don't really need Zoho.com (at least not yet). It's nice to hear that the problem is not too complex. :)20:41
VDVsxnop is just wrong auth being use since the server advertise it, after changing works fine here20:42
flanagyeah20:42
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flanagVDVsx: How complicated it would be to change the auth through terminal? I might try it at some point.20:43
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VDVsxsec will paste it just 2 commands20:45
flanagah, so simple :P thanks20:45
VDVsxactually 3 :) http://pastebin.com/zu2uXV4T20:48
VDVsxlast command you only replace acct_ID rest is like that20:48
flanagthanks, I'll try that :)20:49
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flanagdoesn't seem to be working, is there anything I could be doing wrong? I found the ID and inputted the command like this: ag-tool update-service 8 email int:smtp/authentication=120:54
VDVsxprobably session is open, do: systemctl --user restart messageserver5.service20:57
flanagok20:57
VDVsxalso do not open account setting and save for that particular account, otherwise you need to do these commands again20:58
flanagoh crap20:58
VDVsxsince it overwrites :)20:58
flanagI just did that earlier to check if there was anything else wrong20:58
flanag:p20:58
flanagstupid me20:58
VDVsxbut you never need to do that once is working20:58
flanagyeah20:58
VDVsxyou can check always, but if you save it will change20:58
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flanagI re-inputted the command and restarted the service and now when I try sending it doesn't give any errors but the email has been in the outbox for a couple of minutes now21:01
flanagsomething else wrong?21:01
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flanagVDVsx: well, I'll try again tomorrow, maybe I'm just forgetting about something, thanks for the help so far :)21:05
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chem|stso I just read about accounts being lost and stuff... now I am hit with it, all for a sudden store wants an account setup...21:38
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Quuyes. you need to login before accessing stuff what wants you to login21:41
chem|stsigning in from store helped - update sign-in credentials in settings does not... seems settings crashed before (unsure)21:42
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chem|stQuu: I am setup ever since I got the phone last year21:43
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Aardchem|st: I'm nowadays happy when I read about other phone manufacturers issues with their releases or hardware :p22:11
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