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Stskeepsinteresting reading for those who want oss android runtime: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1425770&postcount=6305:23
coderusliar (krnlying) already tried that for harmattan with similar success05:45
Stskeepswhat's the problem people find?05:45
coderusread this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1375149&postcount=15905:48
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Stskeepsnod05:57
Stskeepsi really wonder how many would be interested in contributing to such a thing05:57
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bjornHmm, javispedro's hack isn't working for me...07:54
bjorn /home/mersdk/share/projects/tales-client/src/src.pro:2: Cannot find feature sailfishsilicabackground07:54
bjornHmm, SailfishOS SDK apparently doesn't like it when you switch active project while building. The deploy step tried to deploy the project that was already building with the packaging file of the newly active project.08:07
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bjornArg, my CPU does not have support for hardware virtualization, so I can't increase the number of cores on the Mer SDK VM. :(08:49
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walokraaargh, I sometimes find myself now flicking even with touchpad for next/prev navigation08:54
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Teme:D11:06
Temei find it difficult to use the occasional android app on jolla11:06
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Temebc of no gestures11:07
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coderus:D11:09
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YanielI feel you11:22
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Yanielsteam is an outright horror11:23
Yanielno swiping, no page indicator11:23
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mornfallPossibly stupid question, but are we going to get automatic "wlan on" when both wlan and 3G is enabled and available?11:30
mornfallCoz the phone switches to 3G when I walk out, but it doesn't switch back when I return home.11:31
mornfall(It seems it no longer crashes or burns when I enable both, so this becomes a relevant question now :-)11:31
niuranin my case when i return to home and have WiFi and 3g enabled it connects to wifi11:32
niuranor crashses...11:32
mornfalloh11:33
niuranor the 3g option disappear11:33
mornfallinteresting :)11:33
mornfallso I guess I should stick with twiddling it manually11:33
niuranbut in the past it connected automatically to wifi11:33
mornfall(maybe it stopped crashing because it fails to figure out it should connect :-)11:33
niuranmaybe11:34
mornfallmakes you wonder how truly horrible networkmanager must be, if connman is the better option11:35
niurani have also a problem with the Android apps notifications,like line, telegram, etc11:35
niuranyes, i switched back to my old phone because the connectivity problems11:36
niuranhopping the updates solve this11:36
mornfallhm, I mostly don't use android apps with notifications so can't comment on that11:36
niuranand use the jolla again as main phone11:36
niuranbut connectivity get worse until the last update11:37
mornfallwell, I don't have a backup (gave my N900 to my wife), but I can live with switching manually... I didn't see a crash for a long while now11:38
Yanielsudden shutdowns didn't go away with the btrfs balancing :(11:39
Yanieland the "enable closing apps with swipe from top" setting is not remembered either11:40
niuranwhen have Wi-Fi and 3g enabled, at home for example,  the 3g disables suddenly,  and it can not be enabled11:40
mornfallwell, 3.4 is an ancient kernel... so presumably ancient btrfs, too11:40
niuraneven the option to enable internet in settings disappear11:40
mornfallniuran: it disables when you go out of coverage, any chance you have blind spots in your house?11:41
niuranno, it disables under coverance11:41
mornfallthat's bad11:42
niuranthe wifi is ok, the phone is connected11:42
niuranbut when you check the connectivity in settings, the data nit only is disabled11:42
niuranit cant be enabled11:43
niuranthen you go to settungs, network11:43
niuransettings11:43
mornfallhmm, I think it tends to become available when you cycle wlan on-off11:43
mornfallbut yes, it's stupid11:43
niuranand internet option has disappear11:43
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niuranonly after reboot the phone ,come back to normal11:44
niuranthis appeared after 1.5 update11:45
niuran(with the reboots)11:45
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niuranany idea about the notifications in Android apps? how to get them?12:07
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mornfallI think you need to keep the apps in question running in the background...12:08
mornfallto get notifications, anyway12:08
niurani open line, telegram and bbm, and have them in the Android emulator in main screen12:09
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niuranwhen opened, the notification arrives,but when the time goes, then they stops12:11
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niuranmaybe something related to a sleep mode?12:11
niuranonly the apps seems to reactivate when open again12:12
mornfallno idea really, the android VM is still pretty clunky12:12
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mornfallin android, app notifications "run" even if the app is stopped12:12
mornfall(and "in background" and "stopped" are mostly the same thing in android)12:12
mornfallbut it seems to work differently on jolla12:13
niuranit seems, yes12:13
mornfallalso, I'm not sure whether it's relevant that an android tile exists12:14
mornfallbecause for me, switching away almost always closes the tile, and the apps appear to lose state at that moment12:14
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mornfall(i.e. moving android to background crashes the window, and possibly more of the android runtime, can't tell, really, it doesn't *say* anything)12:14
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niurani always leave at least one app, only switch between two or three of them12:16
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niuranand the Android window always in the main screen12:17
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mornfallanyone know how can I list hardware of the jolla?13:48
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Yanielwhat do you mean mornfall?13:52
Yanieljolla.com has official specs13:53
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niuranhttp://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/pics-jolla-phone-hardware-opened/13:57
niuranmaybe you are looking for this?13:57
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mornfallYaniel: https://together.jolla.com/question/43043/updated-system-components-kernel-systemd-connman/ the comment by chemist -- I wanted to know which bits of hardware require proprietary kernel modules13:59
mornfallYaniel: I have only found wlan.ko, which says "qualcomm atheros" but not much else14:00
mornfallniuran: not really, the wlan chipset is part of the soc14:00
mornfall"qualcomm dual core" is a nifty spec, but if you are trying to find out what is the wlan portion of the soc, doesn't help all that much14:01
mornfall(re jolla.com)14:01
mornfall(but interestingly it says that LTE in Finland will be supported this quarter, so possibly next update)14:02
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stephgmornfall: if you'd not already seen: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html14:03
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mornfallupdate 7, that's *very* barely Q2 :-)14:04
mornfallah, but it's update 6 for "supported" countries14:05
niuranand toh at the end of the year...mmm,maybe the Jolla unleash its full potential then, a year after14:07
niuranone year to evolve and polish and then time to be really unlike14:07
mornfallniuran: what do you mean toh?14:07
niuranthe other half14:08
mornfallyes, but what about it?14:08
niuranthey announced them by the end of this year14:08
mornfallI missed that too. :-)14:08
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bjornAre QtQuick.Controls supported? My app can't find them.14:11
bjorn[W] QQmlApplicationEnginePrivate::_q_finishLoad:126 - file:///usr/share/harbour-tales/qml/main.qml:2 module "QtQuick.Controls" is not installed14:11
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coderusbjorn: #sailfishos14:24
coderusand Controls is a part of Desktop Qt, not mobile14:25
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bjorncoderus: Ah, alright.14:31
bjorncoderus: It's usable on Android though...14:31
coderusfor android you build everything you want to use with application bundle yourself14:33
coderusin sailfish components build into system14:34
coderusbut you still free to build missed components yourself14:34
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coderusand again, please post development questions to #sailfishos14:34
coderus#jollamobile for general device discussions14:35
niuranfor example Android apps notifications?  how to get them? they work when the app starts, and some minutes after,but no later14:37
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tomcat_berlinhi everyone. i have a little problem with sending sms. it doesn't work anymore! i don't know exactly when it stopped working, sometime during the last weeks (i've been abroad for some weeks, and there i didn't try to send any). i can still receive sms, though. any ideas? thanks a lot in advance!15:32
mikmahmm, operator settings still ok?15:32
mikmapaid your bills? ;)15:32
tomcat_berlin^^15:34
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tomcat_berlinmikma: i think the operator settings are ok. i have mobile internet, phone calls work, receiving sms works, ... so i'd deduce that these are ok15:38
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tomcat_berlinand also "have you tried turning it off and on again?" -> yes ;)15:46
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coderustomcat_berlin: have you tried sending sms om different phone?15:58
tomcat_berlinyes, tried 3 different people15:58
coderuscheck journalctl after sending sms15:58
tomcat_berlingood point15:58
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tomcat_berlinhere's the output: http://pastebin.com/gCzyUnu016:04
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mornfalltomcat_berlin: ofono doesn't love you16:44
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mornfalltomcat_berlin: might be baseband issue, did you try pulling out the battery for 10 minutes?16:45
mornfallI think that's how you clear the baseband state...16:45
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pdanekWhy is everyone speaking about end of Nokia?17:00
pdanekNokia only sold Lumia to M$, right?17:00
mornfallpdanek: the entire handset division, actually17:00
mornfallpdanek: i.e. there won't be any more Nokia phones17:01
pdanekSo they can still make smartphones, if they develop new ones, not Lumia -> Jolla smartphones!17:01
pdanekuhhhhhhhh17:01
pdanekwhat?17:01
pdanekIt should have been Lumia-only before.17:01
pdanekAre you kidding me???17:01
mornfallNo idea. :-)17:01
pdanekSo it is really end of Nokia?17:01
pdanekI need couple more sweaters.17:02
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minimecpdanek: --> http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/09/05/could-we-see-a-finnish-smartphone-from-nokia-in-2016-jolla-sailfish-android/17:02
pdanekBecause Hell will freeze over.17:02
pdanekmmm17:02
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pdanekcool17:03
mornfallpdanek: Nokia retained networks, mapping and research...17:03
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mornfallpdanek: the rest, gone17:03
pdanekso 2015 -> Jolla 217:03
pdanek2016 -> Nokia with Sailfish17:03
mornfallpdanek: you wish :-)17:03
pdanek2017 -> Nokia is again most used smartphone in the world17:03
pdanek2018 -> Nokia buys Microsoft17:03
mornfallminimec: that's pure speculation, and a year old17:04
minimecmornfall: I agree with you, but Nokia would have to possibility to launch new phones in 2016, if they wanted to...17:05
pdanekNokia smartphone on IBM Power8 and Sailfish!17:06
mornfallminimec: so could nintendo, or anyone else :)17:06
pdanekSince Power8 gets licensed and chips being manufactured by other companies.17:07
pdanekSo maybe.... if you let your imagination crazy, we can see PowerPC laptops again in the future.17:07
mornfallpdanek: power8 is kinda power-hungry for a smartphone, you know17:07
pdaneksure17:07
pdanekI'm speaking about the whole OpenPower model17:07
pdanekand possible distant future17:08
mornfall(I'm sure nontrivial part of that power goes to almost 100M of L3 cache ;-)17:08
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mornfallalso, the only operational 14nm fab is Intel, AFAIK ;-)17:10
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pdanekMaybe aliens will land into Nokia headquarters next year.17:11
pdanekAnd give them amazing technology.17:11
pdanekAnd Nokia will be so powerful, that they will become world-wide super-state.17:12
pdanek1 supercountry in whole world, called Nokia17:12
pdanekofficial language finnish17:12
Acceis this where you woke up?17:12
pdanek:D17:12
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mornfallAcce: I think it's where he realized the MDMA is wearing off...17:14
kimmolii hope aliens know tht Nokia HQ is now at Karaportti17:14
pdanekanthem: Nokia theme, most famous TV reality show: torturing Microsoft employees17:14
pdanekthat's the future17:14
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pdanekgod I loved Nokia.... RIP17:16
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