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Nicd-wtf. so I sent a message to care about my SIM card problem. got a response that it won't be fixed under warranty06:16
Nicd-this is exactly the stuff that should be fixed under warranty06:17
Nicd-I sure as shit am not going to pay for it06:18
walokrathey didn't tell you why?06:21
Nicd-no06:21
Nicd-"You can send your device for repair, in which case you'll get a price estimate for the repairs. The repair of your device is not covered under the warranty."06:22
walokraI would understand that if SIM problems were something you could break yourself06:24
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SceltNicd-: optima bullshit care, I assume06:32
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mfulzdoes someone know how to let the gallery app see videos on the sd card?08:33
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coderusmfulz: it should be available in gallery automatically afaik08:55
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mcfriskuh, my jolla just shutdown without any indication, and failed to start after a few power button presses, first few boots went upto the jolla startup logo and then device just shutdown. Is the HW perhaps giving in?09:00
specialbattery low?09:00
mcfrisk95%09:01
the_mgtmcfrisk: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10516/09:03
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Stskeepsmcfrisk: turn off device, pull battery 10 minutes09:04
Nicd-I haven't had shutdowns for a few days after doing the paper trick09:04
coderusI havent any shutdowns since i have Jolla :)09:05
mcfriskthis was my first $random shutdown, will try the paper trick too09:06
the_mgti am currently pulling the battery for 10 mins09:08
mcfriskI was trying to play music before the shutdown, with headphones this results in the damned high power clicks and pops so there for sure was a power usage peak too09:08
the_mgtI have had many random shutdowns09:09
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the_mgtoften the battery level is indicating there is only 2% or 4% left09:09
the_mgtso, it might have to do with weak signals and the phone powering up the "modem" to get better signal09:10
Nicd-I did the paper trick with official jolla paper too :)09:10
* rigo_ had that recently even with an N909:11
the_mgtI have had these black screens and also some calls I could not answer, either due to black screen or touch screen not responding09:11
the_mgtstarted around the last update, although that is just kitchen psychology rationalising. might be totally unrelated and just a correlation09:12
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ottulouhh, some issues with the Jolla... phone rebooted suddenly, only a few apps running (same as always, no problems before)10:10
ottuloafter reboot battery was down to 4% from something like 55% before10:10
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chem|stbugs with roadmap tag on tjc are confusing...10:28
chem|stAard: did I read it right that we get limited caldav with u6?10:28
Quuottulo: battery out for few minutes should get it back to normal level10:28
Aardchem|st: yes10:29
chem|stso download only for now?10:29
Nicd-caldav! <310:29
Nicd-thankyou jolla engineers!10:29
chem|stor limited as in you add some specific companies?10:30
Aardchem|st: no, it's just not tested as much as we'd like to have it for fully supported and advertised feature. but should work with arbitrary caldav providers10:30
chem|sthail jolla!10:30
Aardchanges required if it blows up should be in the open source buteo plugin, so if it blows up for you and you're bored you could even fix it ;)10:31
chem|stok ;)10:32
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Jupp3ottulo: I have had similar issue few times11:26
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YanielAard: so are there instructions for interested people for adding arbitrary caldav calendars?12:01
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ggabrielYaniel: #sunc (topic)12:17
ggabriels/sunc/sync/12:17
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Yanielah12:23
Yanielforgot what that channel was named12:24
ggabrielnot sure how current it is tho12:24
ggabrielthere's a question in tjc too (instructions in the answer)12:24
ggabrielmaybe the latest buteo plugin comes with the latest sailfish and everything, and all that we're missing is the ui12:24
stephgooh ggabriel you around tomorrow eve?12:25
ggabrielstephg: i'm climbing i'm afraid12:25
stephgboo okies12:25
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the_mgttaking the battery out for half an hour seems so far to have fixed the random reboot issue13:02
the_mgtbattery calibration trouble? or remaining current in the circuits, that "drains" out when you unplug the battery long enough13:03
oh8gnzhave you same guys same problem with "Latest" or "New" unanswered phone calls? Seems that without boot I can't get them out from my screen13:04
the_mgtthe whole notification thing is a bit out of sync here13:04
the_mgtsometimes I can hear email/sms notification, but LED might not blink. Also no notification in the noti. center13:05
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kimmoli_sailingi have missed calls just reappearing after boot as new calls13:11
kimmoli_sailingnewly missed calls, and i feel stupid when i call back to someone13:11
oh8gnzthat seems to be then a common problem13:12
kimmoli_sailingand i think i have had same as the_mgt but very rarely13:12
kimmoli_sailingjust sound of notification, but then nothing13:13
the_mgtmost often it is with emails13:15
SK_workkimmoli_sailing: isn't this a problem of rights for the missed call db ?13:16
the_mgttoday, I received a sms which I read and a few minutes after that, the LED was flashing blue. but no new sms had arrived13:16
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kimmoliSK_work:  dont know root cause... https://together.jolla.com/question/15195/bug-cleared-missed-call-notification-reappearing/13:21
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mornfallhmm, the freedreno drivers look pretty good at least on paper16:28
mornfallcertainly a lot better than a year ago or so when Jolla was presumably working on HW adaptation16:29
Stskeepswayland working yet?16:29
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mornfallStskeeps: it seems so, yes (well, it can run Weston)16:31
mornfallStskeeps: it's probably more of a lipstick question than a wayland question16:31
Stskeepsmm16:31
mornfallit can do (desktop) GL 2.1 now16:31
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Stskeeps:nod:16:31
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faenilhttp://bloggingthemonkey.blogspot.it/2013/07/freedreno-update-drmkms-and-ifc6410.html16:32
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mornfallStskeeps: another thing that needs 3.12 kernel though :P16:32
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SK_workfaenil: very interesting, thx faenil16:38
Stskeepsmornfall: yeaaah16:38
Stskeepsnot going to happen16:38
faenilnp, just googled a bit :)16:38
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mornfallStskeeps: why oh why?16:38
* faenil is picturing Stskeeps saying "yeaaah" right now16:39
Yaniel3.12? pfft16:39
Yaniel3.1416:39
javispedroat least Google has a 3.10 fork around16:39
mornfallStskeeps: so is there a list of kernel-space binary blobs Jolla depends on?16:40
javispedro<office space boss voice>Yeah.... 3.10 .... that would be greaat.16:40
Stskeepshmm, wlan (replacable with open driver), and myastroker thingie that dalvik installs16:40
mornfallStskeeps: is the open wlan driver the one from qualcomm that appears on codeaurora?16:41
Stskeepsthink so, but check djselbeck's stuff16:41
Stskeepsit's 'prima'16:41
mornfallyeah, prima is on there... I mean this one https://www.codeaurora.org/projects/all-active-projects/msm-wlan16:43
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Stskeepsnod16:43
mornfallthe git log makes it look like a corporate project, at least16:43
suosaaskiIs sailfish running on galaxy s3 yet? I remember it was demoed....16:44
Stskeepsi9305 yes16:44
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mornfallStskeeps: myastroker doesn't seem to be something that shows up on google... is that baked into the kernel, coz I don't have any modules loaded besides wlan and cfg80211...16:45
faenilit's mysa*16:46
Stskeepsmornfall: included in alien dalvik16:46
Stskeepsnot installed by default16:46
mornfallStskeeps: I have alien (started, even)16:46
Stskeepshmm16:46
javispedroyeah, same thing16:46
javispedrowhich is a good thing, because mysatroker basically allowed to copy process memory irregardless of uids16:47
suosaaskiStskeeps: it works completely? GPS, phone calls and so on.16:47
Stskeepssuosaaski: not yet16:47
Stskeepsnexus 4 is more complete16:48
mornfallwell, that's at least some good news, coz between freedreno and the prima wlan driver, it's at least theoretically possible to get a non-geriatric kernel :)16:48
Stskeepsyes16:49
javispedroin case you are interested what happened to mysatroker, it seems that dalvik is now banging /dev/binder directly16:49
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mornfallmysatroker is short for MYriad Share Anything TROugh KERnel16:50
mornfallsounds omnious16:50
javispedromornfall: lol16:50
javispedromornfall: well, it did exactly that =)16:50
Stskeepswonder what was wrong with fd passing16:50
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javispedrohave to wonder if alien is namespacing accesses to binder..16:54
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javispedrois there any doodling or drawing or drawn notes app?17:20
javispedropreferably open source?17:20
faenilalready tried recompiling xournal? :D17:20
javispedrooh, too complex17:21
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javispedroI'm interested in one for a quick test of a bluetooth finepoint styles17:21
javispedroso I have to change the source a bit17:21
Stskeepsfinepoint styles?17:21
javispedro*stylus17:21
Stskeepsah17:21
javispedro=)17:21
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javispedrooh, canvas API17:22
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* javispedro facedesks after rememember I already did this17:24
faenil:D17:25
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dariornelashi there!17:46
stephgohai!17:46
dariornelasI need some help to diagnose my phone problem17:47
stephgwhat's the problem dariornelas17:47
dariornelasit was rebooting everytime I tried to record a vídeo and only stopped when I removed and reinserted the battery17:49
stephgdid it reboot at all when you weren't trying to video (during the same period_)?17:49
stephgprobably not related did it get hot?17:50
dariornelasI just bought the phone (2 days)...17:50
stephgfinally, by 'reboot'ed you mean it went black and you saw the Jolla logo again or did the interface just restart (i.e. black, and then no logo)17:51
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stephgbut then ux17:51
dariornelasmade the updates, and today it rebooted 3/4 times without doing nothing abnormal17:51
stephghm17:51
stephgso it's running 1.0.5.19 now yeah?17:51
dariornelasexactly17:51
dariornelastried the 10min without the battery solution and it was looking good, but then when I tried to record a vídeo the phone rebooted17:52
stephgthat's not good :(17:52
dariornelasby reboot I mean, I press "REC" button and the screen goes black and the jolla logo appears17:52
stephgdid you see a red LED? (does sound like  reboot tho)17:53
dariornelasyes17:53
stephgthe videos17:54
stephg(final question!)17:54
stephganything odd about them, very shaky or something?17:55
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stephgfirst time I've heard of the launching the camera causing a reboot17:56
Anz_whenever someone mentiones frequent reboots, this comes to my mind (without much diagnostics). try other things before attempting this: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10516/?answer=36965#post-id-3696517:57
stephgyou may want to check on together.jolla.com to see if anyone else has had the same17:57
stephgbut yeah after that emailing care at jolla.com is where you're going to be at :(17:57
Sail0rI am currently trying the paper trick17:58
Sail0rand for now it helps17:58
Sail0reven in the areas where it shutdown everytime it works for now17:58
mikmathe paper-trick has actually worked on me too17:58
Sail0rbut I wonder why it happens after a certain time or after upgrade to 1.0.5.1917:58
mikmanot a single random shutdowns after i cut a piece from businesscard and put it in between the battery and the phone17:58
Sail0rdid you have "clean" shutdowns or screen just went black?17:59
dariornelasjust recorded a video with the phone on a table and the video is normal stephg17:59
mikmasail0r: screen turned black and i had to push powerbutton for couple of secs to turn the phone on17:59
Sail0rmikma: ok same for me17:59
dariornelasSail0r I had both18:00
dariornelasI already checked together.jolla.com and didn't find anyone with a problem in the camera18:00
dariornelasso I thought this was a good shoot18:01
dariornelasI think I'll try the paper trick18:01
Sail0rI had it everytime I had a bad network coverag18:01
Sail0re18:01
Sail0rand did smth which does much traffic18:01
Sail0rlike map application surfing or smt18:02
Sail0rIt did never happen before 1.0.5.19 and it started one week ago but the update was there long before18:02
Anz_[not sure; stating unverified remarks] afaik, it happens in situations requiring high power. increased load or so.18:04
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javispedrowouldn't shut it down, not reboot.18:05
Sail0rMore and more people seem to have this issue18:09
Sail0rlet's hope it's not hardware related18:09
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Sail0ror can be fixed forever with the paper-trick18:10
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Jupp3stephg: Well, now I'll tell you second time that camera occassionally reboots the device :P18:20
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javispedroAlways remember that many things may result in random reboots18:23
javispedroe.g. I recently had a kernel panic18:23
Jupp3javispedro: Sure, and I think it has happened with other programs too, but it feels that it happens most often with camera18:24
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javispedroby the way, on systemboot.log, after a panic:  "Startup:  pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_HW_reboot"18:24
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Anz_stephg: just wondering what is that '' in one of your previous messages :) a question mark?18:25
stephgAnz_: which one? (sorry, laptop ran out, came home, only just back)18:26
Anz_no worries. nothing important. just saw ''18:26
stephgAnz_: not that I remember, was on laggy-as-hell 3g (not my Jolla's fault, but Vodafone UK) and occasionally characters creep in that I typed by mistake but deleted but didn't make it to the irc client :/18:28
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Sail0rwtf is going on the mailinglist19:01
flanag?19:02
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flanagSail0r: you mean this "Discrimination and abuse.."?19:04
Sail0ryep19:04
rigo_trolls takeover as usual19:07
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Sail0rwell it does not read like it's only trolling ;)19:13
Yanielquiiiiite elaborate for a troll19:13
phlixiI might want to give my jolla a chance as my daily phone, in order to do so, i need more space ;-) is this the way to go with my 64gb uSD card? https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/19:13
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Yanielphlixi: I only formatted mine as btrfs19:14
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Yanielbut I don't need it to work with dalvik19:14
phlixi...i do not plan to remove the card or any fancy, just want to store files bigger than 4gb...19:14
Yanielyup19:14
phlixii yould prefer to not mess with the system too much (installing exfat support etc)19:15
Yanielshould be pretty much like what that thread explains19:15
phlixibesides some phones i only have wundows machines, is it doable via ssh directly on the phone?19:16
phlixiok19:16
Yanieljust make sure you format the right thing ;)19:16
Yanielyes it is19:16
Yanielin fact, for btrfs you have to do it on the phhone19:16
phlixi(so far i do not have much android stuff installed, actually i do not like it much; but with threema i already have one "dependency")19:16
Yanielyou might need to enable the mer-tools repo and install btrfs tools19:17
YanielI'm not sure if they are there by default or not19:18
Yanieland you need to be root to see if they are in your path anyway19:18
Yaniel(or devel-su)19:18
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stephgphlixi: will you evern take the card out of the phone and mount it elsewhere?19:19
phlixistephg: not planned at all19:19
phlixiwell, maybe in two years to burn it ;-)19:19
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stephgyour computers are Win or Lin or Mac?19:19
phlixiall win besides a n900 (and n9 / nexus both without sd slots)19:20
stephgwell Yaniel is spot-on really19:20
stephgbtrfs (formatted on-device as there are compatability issues between versions) or ext419:21
stephgif you need 'proper' compatability then fat32 but you've already said that's a no-go with filesize limits19:21
phlixifat32 no big files19:21
phlixi;)19:21
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stephgwell if it's ext3/4 yuour n900 will be able to read it19:22
stephg(maybe btrfs if you run your own kernel ;) )19:22
phlixiactually this is the only real "must have requirement" i currently can think of, bigger files than 4gb have to be supported (which i guess includes bigger partitiions than 32gb possible, that would be otherwise second must have)19:22
phlixino need to have it in the n900, already have one there.19:23
phlixiif there is something to copy, theres is wlan19:23
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phlixiin https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ on "9." which is: "chown nemo:nemo jolla/ - add -R if needed" what is -R for?19:29
Sceltphlixi: recursive19:30
phlixiok, nothing in there for now ;)19:30
phlixithougt of readonly or the like which doesnt made sense19:30
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tango_phlixi: there is an ext2/3/4 fsd for windows btw19:40
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phlixithanks, but, ehm, i guess i dont care :D19:40
phlixisorry, do not meant to be disrespectful19:41
Stskeepsphlixi: recursive might also mean make sure the directory has permissions set straight19:42
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phlixistraight?19:42
Stskeepsas in, nemo:nemo19:42
Stskeepsie being sure jolla/ is nemo:nemo19:42
stephgstraight: |, not ¬19:42
stephg;)19:43
phlixiI mean, i just created that folder, there is nothing in it where i would want to set rights as well19:43
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Stskeepsexcept the folder itsel19:43
phlixiyeah, but for that i would not understand why i would have to use recursive19:43
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Stskeepswell, you could be okay without -R19:43
phlixii used it anyway, because it could not hurt^^19:43
Stskeepssince it's empty19:44
Stskeepsbut chown is needed19:44
phlixiat the moment i am looking for how to kill dalvik, I thought thats easy, but google foo is obviously bad at the moment :/19:44
Stskeepssystemctl stop aliendalvik.service19:44
Stskeepsand start again afterwards19:44
phlixiyes, totaly understand that, was just curios about the "-R"19:44
phlixithanks!19:44
stephgfwiw launching an android app does that automatically (the restart I mean)19:45
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phlixiseems to work, but whats the point in mounting it as /media/sdcard/5fc9e386-4a39-4fb1-a215-9f88237e0b5220:17
phlixii thought the outcome would be something like /media/sdcard/jolla20:19
phlixior even better, i dont know, maybe ~/sdcard (well i knew the tutorial wouldnt do that)20:20
phlixiseems weird to me to have /media/sdcard/5fc9e386-4a39-4fb1-a215-9f88237e0b52 to put my files there...20:20
stephgphlixi: weird why?20:21
phlixiits an ugly path20:22
stephgthe UUID-for-the-mount-point bit was introduced so that tracker could keep track of multiple sdcards20:22
stephgiirc20:22
phlixiwell, i do not plan to have multiple cards20:22
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phlixii guess i want to replace mount -o subvol=android,compress,$MOUNT_OPTS ${DEVNAME} /data/sdcard/ with something like that: mount -o subvol=android,compress,$MOUNT_OPTS jolla_part_of_sdcard /data/sdcard/20:24
phlixiright?20:24
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phlixi...in order to get /media/sdcard/jolla_part_of_sdcard20:25
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phlixino :/ there is still  /media/sdcard/5fc9e386-4a39-4fb1-a215-9f88237e0b5220:30
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Sceltcheck what is in $MOUNT_OPTS20:32
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phlixilooks like i removed mounting the android thingy20:32
phlixii revert that change an change the liine above20:33
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phlixiScelt: MOUNT_OPTS="dirsync,noatime,users"20:57
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phlixiafter replacing a lot of "${UUID}"s it now seems to work as expected :-)21:24
phlixiThanks a lot! :-)21:24
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javispedrook, the "2DContext" keeps state between diferent invocations of onPaint21:50
javispedrothat would have nice to know... a few hours before =)21:50
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louisdkAnyone that have experience with wireless charging and Jolla?22:37
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phlixilouisdk: maybe i can tell you more in 2-3 days when ill receive my charger22:59
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Anz_phlixi: what have you done on Jolla side to enable wireless charging?23:37
phlixiordered that one: http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/~/product/category=9141090&id=3548048423:37
phlixibut i guess with a little bit of glue you could use every qi thingy off of amazon/ebay etc23:38
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