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CraigAsigh08:17
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StskeepsCraigA: mm?08:17
CraigAbeen trying to work with care to order a new phone for two days now. get two responses per morning (4am my time, i stay up), then the next two come the next day. I know they are helping me out its just frustrating08:18
CraigAmy jolla got run over by a truck a few days ago08:18
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CraigAstill works, and well, just can't use it without cutting my fingers open on the glass08:19
StskeepsO_o08:19
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CraigAi got a pic here somewhere08:19
Stskeepswell, at least it wasn't arnold schwarzenegger's tank08:19
CraigAhaha very true08:19
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CraigAhttp://img.craigandrews.com/jolla.jpg08:22
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StskeepsCraigA: not bad08:22
Stskeepsand it still worked after that?08:22
CraigAyeah, it works perfectly08:22
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tbrnokia heritage ;)08:22
SK_workStskeeps: at least nobody won't say that Jolla comes from Nokia after this08:23
tbrthere was a picture of a N9 that got run over by an actual tank, still worked08:23
CraigAi guess I dropped it face down on some gravel, then it got run over by a pickup truck, tires-to-TOH08:23
TheBootroo_workI'm proud of you my grand-son (signed: Nokia 3310)08:23
CraigAlol08:23
SK_work:D08:23
SK_worktbr: the N9 is pretty tough08:23
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CraigAwell the screen did split earlier as a nice present from leaving in the garage over night (winter)08:23
tbrTheBootroo_work: the 3310 would have broken the pickup though08:23
CraigAi think the temp changes cracked it08:23
CraigAbut the running over with the truck did it in08:24
TheBootroo_worktbr: true stroy08:24
TheBootroo_work*story08:24
CraigAlove the phone, want to order another (replacing the screen via Jolla seems like too tough a task from Canada)08:24
CraigAlooking forward to being able to use LTE, 2G makes it painful to do anything requiring data08:25
tbrCraigA: compatible LTE frequencies I hope?08:25
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CraigAyes, I believe i'm in the only widely-deployed zone in North America08:26
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tbrI know most US LTE is not compatible08:26
CraigAyeah, Rogers in Canada - in the Toronto area, has full 2600/7 deployed08:26
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CraigAJolla was a natural choice for me. N9/N900/N95-4/N95-1/N80ie08:30
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tbr:)08:31
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TheBootroo_workCraigA: hehe same for me : Nokia N800, Nokia 5800XM, Nokia N900, Nokia N950, Nokia N9, Jolla08:31
CraigAyeah i had the n800 for awhile too, that was fun08:32
TheBootroo_workN800 was pretty cool for its time08:32
CraigAagreed08:32
CraigAand I used to have so much fun with the N900 in university08:32
CraigAturning on/off projectors in classrooms, tv's in bars, etc with the IR08:33
Nicd-hahah08:33
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CraigAthe way I see it, with ordering a new Jolla, I'll have a spare white TOH to play with for toying with wireless charging08:34
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CraigAand a spare battery :D08:35
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TeguCraigA: we need an IR TOH :D that sounds fun08:48
CraigAyeah, it would be :P08:49
Tegualso could do as a remote at home, too08:49
Temewe need IR toh so you can play Snake with two Jollas, old school :P08:49
Tegu:D08:50
Quulol08:50
stephgsomeone needs to get kimmoli on the case :)08:50
TheBootroo_workTeme: just use Bluetooth08:50
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Temeallows for too much distance :)08:50
Temei mean it makes absolutely no sense to use IR other than for nostalgia08:50
Teme(for Snake)08:51
Tegua tamagotchi app! with IR connection08:51
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thargordoes anybody know if there are news concerning FM TOH?08:55
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thargorI'm interested in participating in developing a fm toh08:58
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kimmolino news on FM TOH... (At least what i know)09:04
kimmoliirda and RS-232 nostalgy however, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92382&page=309:05
kimmolino actual progress through09:05
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thargorI'm really missing the fm tuner09:06
CraigAi liked the feature, but its tough finding a clear station in Toronto09:07
thargorthats not the problem in switzerland... too many stations around ;-)09:08
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stephgkimmoli: from that link in January, what are your issues with rj45?09:09
kimmolipersonal09:09
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fluxa battery-powered rs232-ble-adapter would probably be more useful than an rs-232 ToH :)09:11
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fluxoh right, but jolla doesn't really have a BLE stack :P09:12
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faenilmorning09:49
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phdeswerhi faenil!09:52
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faenilphdeswer, o/ sup :)09:52
phdeswerSo you seem to have working internet in the train :)09:53
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faenilphdeswer, kind of, yeah09:56
phdeswerfaenil: Remind me to explain to you how to get usb tethering to work.09:57
faenilphdeswer, ;)09:57
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stephgif you're interested this weeks' SailfishOS meeting has just started in #mer-meeting10:01
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sharpneliI'm measuring power usage of Jolla in realtime. It looks kinda cool how the power jumps whenever you scroll etc as the GPU powers up10:35
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Temei feel you, it's sort of the same as desktop PC and CPU/GPU temp :)10:41
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netzvieh_What is google sync atm? One way or two way? And if two way, is it possible to disable the upload of contacts?11:03
VDVsxon way only for contacts in update511:03
netzvieh_Thx :) hope there will be a setting for that if two way sync comes ^^11:06
VDVsxnetzvieh_, yes, something like exchange already has11:09
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flanaghttps://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/13:21
ggabrielNOOOOOOO13:22
fluxno may update?-(13:22
ggabrielhow can this be possible!!!13:22
flanagit's not that bad13:23
sharpneliAhmagad 4G <3 <313:23
flanagthey'll combine update 6 and 713:23
Aardggabriel: we'd have been able to maybe publish the may update a maximum of 3 days before where we can publish the june update -> the only sane decision was to put all efforts into the june update13:23
flanagyeah13:23
ggabrielAard: of course i'm being ironic/sarcastic13:24
phdeswerdr_gogeta86: https://together.jolla.com/question/10002/alternative-to-mtp-usb-mass-storage/13:24
phdeswerI made a small unofficial guide there for mass-storage13:24
Aardthe good news is: the new working methods we recently introduced should help us te stick to a monthly schedule more reliably, so when we're back from summer break I hope we won't ever have to do that again13:24
ballockI need a special 4g sim card? not just any?13:24
flanagballock: isn't that the case with any 4g phone?13:25
ballockit's my first one13:25
ballockand it's going to support it in June ;)13:25
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dr_gogeta86phdeswer, I've saw it ...13:26
ballockoh, well....13:26
ggabrielballock: maybe it's a semantic problem, you just need a 4g plan :P13:26
Aarddr_gogeta86: note that something like phdeswer suggested was originally in our plans to officially support, but with the fake mass storage looking quite promising I doubt we'll ever officially support it13:27
ballockso, which is the case then?13:27
phdeswerdr_gogeta86: ok works for me, should not have any bad problems. But then it is not extensively tested. And we have the other thing in the pipeline.13:27
Plntballock: not sure about other places but here in czech republic all three gsm operators requires changing the sim card for lte one (t-mobile, o2, vodafone)13:27
Aardballock: your sim needs to be 4g capable. so without knowing which provider you have, if he has special contracts, how old your sim is, ... it can't be answered13:28
ballockAard: its older than any 4G ads I've seen around, so guess not13:28
ballockIt's just the first notion I've seen that mentions there's something special on the sim card specifically for 4G13:29
ballockbut thanks for the clarification13:29
Aardballock: it was the same thing for 3g :)13:29
dr_gogeta86sometimes they do that to expire old gsm sims13:29
AardI still have some sims only capable of doing 2g13:30
ballockreally? I might have not noticed that, got mine changed after having my phone stolen13:30
dr_gogeta86i got a 2000 and is hdspa capable13:30
dr_gogeta86so13:30
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ballockhey, about the contact sync: will there be a way to *not* sync my contacts to Google while retaining my Google account in the device?13:31
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tbrbtw: in reality those are simcard features, some of which are required by deployments of newer generation networks. The average consumer will call it a 3G or 4G SIM. While in reality it's "supports handshake protocol XYZ as required by operator B's LTE deployment he bought from company C"13:32
FryeIs there a nice way of testing the sim card capabilities from Jolla.13:33
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thargorif the simcard is working for LTE in another phone then LTE should work with jolla too, or am I wrong?13:33
ballocktbr, now that makes much more sense13:33
FryeI'm starting to wonder if my card does not have the capabilities13:33
tbrthargor: correct, hopefully...13:34
tbrbtw: roaming with an old SIM can also be 'interesting'13:34
FryeHmm, I guess mine should be new enough though13:35
FryeI did have an iPhone earlier. So we'll see.13:35
FryeI had to get new one when I switched to Jolla as my primary device on february.13:35
VDVsxballock, yes, you can select one or two way sync13:35
ballockbefore the initial sync after update?13:36
VDVsxballock, two way is off by default13:37
VDVsxfor old accts13:37
ballockok, that's fair13:37
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Teme#elsewhere a user is wondering if there's a way to reset phone lock code in developer mode, https://together.jolla.com/question/1699/howto-clear-or-disable-the-device-lock-code/ does not provide the answer13:43
AardTeme: short answer, ship device to care for reflash.13:44
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ww2Hi, so was it so that if the phone "itself" changed the phone lock code, and I have developer mode enabled, and phone is on, and can answer calls, there is no way to reset the lock code?13:51
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TemeAard: does this info change the short answer? :)13:54
AardJonni: ^^13:55
Jonniww2: phone itself never change lock code.13:56
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ww2jonni: and programs are always flawless and does not have errors13:56
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Jonniww2: well I know that part of the code quite well, there is no accidental way to change the code.13:57
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ggabrielTeme: share, I forgot mine at home13:58
ggabrielTeme: hope you like it salty13:58
ww2either it zeroed it, corrupted it, changed it or sunspots, but I didn't change it for sure that I know13:58
Jonniww2: if your on pr1.0 you can reset the lockcode from rescue mode, and on later versions you can reset the lock code in rescue mode (but it asks if you know the lock code first)13:58
Stskeepsgood afternoon13:58
ggabrielo/ Stskeeps13:59
Stskeepshow is everybody?13:59
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Morpog_Jollastill flashed about mer-meeting :)13:59
ww2Jonni: actually I had the phone in ruoholahti for reflash like 2mon ago. It has somethign "really new" in13:59
ggabrielah, the meeting, must catch up on the log14:00
ww2Jonni: as I'm really confident that I didn't change it myself, I can bring it to ruoholahti if it would help something14:00
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Jonniww2: so you have terminal installed there, are you familiar how to do reverse ssh pipes? I could ssh in and have a look to see if things are corrupted?14:01
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ww2Jonni: have played with ssh local remote forwarding if thats what you meant, but not 100% familiar14:03
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ww2jonni: but I have no access myself to jolla phone atm. other than that locked screen14:03
Jonniww2: ah yes that makes things harder, and you are aware that lockcode is 5-10 digits, just in case that you have tried to use something else?14:04
Morpog_Jollano ssh configured?14:05
Jonniif your on home wlan network, you should be able to ssh in (if you figure out the ip from your wlan ap)14:05
Jonni(and know the password or have uploaded your ssh key in before)14:06
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ww2jonni: yes, I had it 5 numbers, have tried that + once 6 numbers like ~6 times now, so thought that it is changed14:07
edgarsyou14:08
edgarsyo14:08
Jonni(Unfortunately Im in Tampere office, so ruoholahti doesnt help much). If nothing else helps then care can ofcourse reflash which clears the lockcode. Or you need to find someone helpfull in ruoholahti.14:08
edgarswhen we will se a new update? :)14:08
ww2jonni: ok that wlan is the news I needed, just give me 1h or so, I will try to log in, will ping then if you are interested to jump in with ssh14:08
Jonniww2: roger14:09
edgarsand will there be some accidental reboot solutions? :014:09
Jonniedgars: https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/14:09
edgarsi see14:10
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edgarswhen im calling, i have random reboots. sometimes it can be a reboot after reboot :/ do other people have a same problems as me?14:13
Morpog_Jollaedgars, did you try the battery trick?14:16
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vbmithrHi14:18
vbmithrI have just reseted my device14:18
vbmithrnow, activating devel mode takes forever and get stuck, looking for updates as well14:19
vbmithrDid anybody had an issue reseting device ?14:19
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ww2Jonni: I only had mobile network, it wasn't in WLAN AP14:23
Morpog_Jollavbmithr: your clock needs to be exactly correct14:24
Morpog_Jollaand date too of course14:24
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ww2Jonni: I then took of the battery and it only gives jolla screen and hangs there so could it have been corrupted even more?14:24
vbmithrI'm checking that.14:24
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vbmithrtime and date are correct.14:25
Jonniww2: usually it stops on jollascreen if you press volumekey during startup to get into recoverymenu14:25
Jonniww2: but if it stops at jolla screen when you have not pressed volumekeys, then you might have valid warranty case.14:26
vbmithrok, updating14:28
vbmithrI don't know what happened really14:28
ww2Jonni: no buttons pressed and some 5mins now in jolla screen14:28
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edgarsbtw, when we will see any usable TOH?15:11
ggabrieldefine usable15:11
edgarswith some functionality15:11
ggabrieltechnically, the existing ones have some functionality15:11
Morpog_Jollatohkbd doesn't count?15:12
edgarsqwerty keyboard15:12
ggabrieledgars: that exists already15:12
Morpog_Jollaor the oled one15:12
ggabrielnot commercially available, but it's out there15:12
edgarsmaybe some mega flashlight15:12
kimmoli_sailingfree welcome to make one15:12
kimmoli_sailingfeel*15:12
edgarsggabriel: users dont care about something what they cant get15:13
* Morpog_Jolla forcrs kimmoli_sailing to do another batch of tohkbd :D15:13
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ggabrieledgars: so your question is when is some company going to manufacture a hardware other half for the masses, e.g., physical keyboard15:13
Morpog_Jollaforces15:13
ggabrielfwiw, i'm a user and i care that it can be done15:13
ggabrielof course the whole thing has to make sense commercially for somebody to do it at the industrial level15:14
edgarskimmoli_sailing: emm... sounds great :) like a go and make your own phone :)15:14
edgarsggabriel: yes - about your first part of the question15:15
Morpog_Jollai guess thete is not enough volume of jolla devices around to be atractive for hardware 3rd party manufacturers15:15
edgarsggabriel: i;m talking about stuff in which community is interested, sort of first aid kit :)15:15
Morpog_Jollaedgars: well kimmoli_sailing indeed did own keyboard toh15:15
edgarsMorpog_Jolla: cool15:16
Morpog_Jollahe even sold them15:16
edgarshow can it help to me? :D15:16
flanagMorpog_Jolla: wasn't kimmoli_sailing in charge of the software side?15:16
Morpog_Jollahe also open sourced it15:16
Morpog_Jollaohh true, it was dirkvl15:16
Morpog_Jollaor, wad ot? :)15:17
Morpog_Jollawas it15:17
flanagyes15:17
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ggabrieledgars: well, all the instructions on how to do it are out there15:17
ggabrielif you don't have the skills, you can always take all that to a friendly electronic engineer and get it done for you15:18
edgarsggabriel: i dont want a DIY :)15:19
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ggabrieledgars: so, you want something done at a factory15:19
edgarsyup15:19
ggabrielfor which you need a company or capital or something15:19
ggabrielwell, yeah, that doesn't exist just yt15:19
Morpog_Jollathen I guess you will need to wait and hope edgars15:20
ggabriel"when" is a good question15:20
edgars:)15:20
edgarsBUTTT15:20
edgarsmor important thing is usability15:20
edgarsfor example i need more features ti dialer15:20
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edgarsfor15:21
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edgarsmoe detailed callog15:21
edgarsmore15:21
edgarsability to edit dialed numbers15:21
ggabrielall that should be in tjc15:22
edgarstjc?15:22
ggabrieltogether.jolla.com15:22
ggabrielso that jolla/community has visibility and can prioritise15:22
edgarsif it's still not here, looks like nobody cares about this :)15:22
edgarsi think those are MUST HAVE features :)15:23
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edgarsouuu... im almost lating to floorball!15:24
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kimmoli_sailingpromote on twitter etc, here, if you want visibility to tjc issues....15:25
edgars here i mean phone :)15:28
edgarsok, must run15:28
edgarsthanks for reboot hint15:28
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Sailor356hi guys, has someone a valid tracking number for a fedex, dhl or ups delivery? i need it for testing my application17:23
flanagSailor356: Does this help? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11049025/how-can-i-get-fedex-testing-tracking-number17:24
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flanagSailor356: fedex tracking number "797843158299" that is suggested there returns valid results17:26
Sailor356thank you.  fedex is working. i think i release my app in a view days17:28
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flanagSailor356, UPS: 1Z12345E151234567617:29
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Sailor356not valid17:30
flanagit works for me, I tried it on the website17:30
flanaghmm17:30
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Sailor356ok i will try it just a second17:31
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Sailor356ok alright its a bug in my app. i have to fix that. thank you17:33
flanagno problem17:33
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flanagSailor356, here's one for DHL too: 856438555017:37
Sailor356flanag: thank you :)17:38
flanagSailor356: glad to help17:38
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coderusjust tried if Transifex fixed qt5 plural translations uploading. It' didnt (2 monts passed!)17:42
coderussorry, but you should translate 10 strings in Mitakuuluu again :D17:43
Sailor356flanag: 8564385550 dhl Germany?17:43
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flanagSailor356: yes, it returned a "shipment information received" Frankfurt - Germany for me17:44
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flanagSailor356: is that what you were asking?17:44
Sailor356i tried it on the website and returned that's a.invalid number17:45
flanagI tried it here: http://www.dhl.com/en/express/tracking.html17:45
Sailor356on this site it work's. i used dhl.de17:46
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flanagSailor356: it also works on the Finnish site here http://www.dhl.fi/fi/express/lahetysten_seuranta.html17:47
flanagI have no idea why it doesn't work on dhl.de17:48
* cb400f wonders what the "do not track" browser option in update 6+7 does... hopefully the equivalent of adblock+ or ghostery ;-)17:49
flanagcb400f: it just sends a "do not track" request17:49
flanagit doesn't do anything like adblock plsu or ghostery17:49
flanag*plus17:49
cb400fok17:50
flanagsee here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track17:50
cb400fmaybe one of those extensions will work again after the update ;-)17:50
flanagI think it was possible to get an older version of adblock plus working17:50
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cb400fI had adblock+ working until update 517:51
PeperJohnnyIt would be so awesome if they could get it working again17:51
flanagyeah, I think I've seen someone claiming that an older version will work even after update 517:51
flanagnot sure though17:51
flanag"In another question someone posted that the latest development version of Adblock Edge works"17:53
flanag vasavr (May 16 '14)17:53
flanaghttps://together.jolla.com/question/28922/howto-adblock-for-sailfish-browser/17:53
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flanagI've not seen that before17:53
flanagI think I'll try that17:53
cb400f"someone posted that the latest development version of Adblock Edge works"17:54
cb400finteresting17:54
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szopin_adblock works but only until browser restart18:23
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attahkimmoli: So when can I buy a tohiri? ;)18:25
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kimmolii can build one for you18:26
attahnice! but is that with or without a cover?18:27
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kimmoliwith cover, it takes some more time - need to finish design and print18:29
attahthen sign me up!18:29
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kimmolioukkis. i'll try to get cover finished before my next project pcb's arrive...18:31
attah:)18:31
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attahI'll pm you my email18:32
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attahso you just give me the specifics of how to pay when you feel it's time for that18:33
thargor1sorry, but what does iri stand for in tohiri?18:34
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attahinfrared imager, right? :)18:35
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thargor1ahh... does make sence ;-)18:36
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thargor1kimmoli are you interested in a tohfm (fm tuner)18:45
kimmolii have given some thoughts on that, but it will be tricky to implement18:45
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thargor1I would be very interessted in one... but unfortunatly programming and hardware development is not my stregth18:47
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Nicd-this is a long shot but anyone here from/in copenhagen? :)19:29
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thargor1then I'll try too. is anyone here from switzerland? :-D19:35
Nicd-hehe19:36
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FireFlyNope, Stockholm here :\19:40
thargor1I'll be in Stockholm in july19:41
FireFlyHm, anything happening here?19:41
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thargor1holiday19:42
thargor1but don't know in detail... only city trip... probably meeting the royal family for dinner or so19:42
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Nicd-I'm just wondering where I might find a place in Copenhagen to look at the hockey semifinals and use wifi on saturday... :)19:43
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thargor1internetcafe19:49
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Nicd-hmm, if they have a fast enough connection I might be able to watch the games through ssh proxy19:50
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TriztAwayis there a way to change the imei for the alien dalvik from the 123451234512345?19:56
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stephgTrizt:  Editing the binary? why do you ask?20:23
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* Stskeeps yawns20:26
attahYep, it's that time already20:27
attahBTW/FYI.. AT$QCCLAC lists a bit more than AT+CLAC20:28
attahhaven't found anything fun though20:29
Stskeepshmm what does that do20:30
Stskeepsor give20:30
attahlists AT commands20:30
Stskeepsah20:31
Stskeepsi thought funky location/LAC info20:31
attahnope :)20:31
attahhttp://piratepad.net/atqcclac20:32
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attahQCBANDPREF.. almost begging me to brick it ;)20:33
Triztstephg: for I have issue with Mobile Bank ID which gets cancelled a short while after it has been issued as I have the same IMEI as everyone else with a Jolla and sadly they use IMEI to check unique devices20:34
stephgoh, ouch20:34
stephgand you're sure it's the IMEI?20:35
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stephg(also contact the bank? long shot I know)20:35
Triztstephg: yes, was talking with the tech guys at the bank and they told it was the imei wasn't unique on the Jolla and apperently I wasn't the only Jolla user either as they seemed to know the phone in question20:36
StskeepsTrizt: mail that to security@jolla.com20:37
Stskeepsplease20:37
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VDVsxAndroid app ? in that case is a know issue, should be fixed in next releases20:38
VDVsxknown*20:38
TriztI thought it was the /scdrive/Androind/.udid file but modifying it, didn't help20:38
TriztVDVsx: okey, and it's ready when it's ready I assume20:38
VDVsxI think there's something in t.j.c about it20:40
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TriztI didn't find much about IMEI, just a bunch of people saying it's good it's not unique and there are other devices too which don't have unique IMEI and android id20:48
* Trizt needs to get some sleep20:48
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Sailor356hey know someone the php parcel tracker project on google?21:10
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