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louisdkWhat is Jolla's take on an online browsable software catalog? Is there a tjc ticket I've overlooked?00:30
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TemeVlouisdk: https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/01:29
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louisdkTemeW: Thanks01:52
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Stskeepsgood morning everybody04:40
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PeperJohnnyGood morning04:41
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Teguweird, I couldn't stop the alarm clock of jolla as it didn't respond to any keypress nor double tap. I was about to shut it down but tried to plug in headphones, and boom, the screen was lit and I was able to stop it :D04:47
Teguactually it wasn't the first time of getting stuck but I had just powered it off earlier. hasn't happened often04:49
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tukkoneHello, can anybody help with a dead Jolla?06:54
Quudepends06:55
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Quuif its really dead/broken, mail care06:55
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tukkonealready mailed but it is so lonely without the phone :(06:57
tukkoneI thougth if I could try something06:57
Stskeepshow was it dead?06:57
tukkoneI tried to reset to factory settings from the recovery mode06:57
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tukkoneand then I got error reports about corrupted filesystem06:58
Quucan you go to recovery?06:58
tukkoneyes06:58
Quuneat.06:58
Stskeepswhat version of sailfish?06:58
Quuyeah, maybe Stskeeps should help you, not me ;p06:58
tukkonelatest (consumer version)06:58
Stskeepslatest being 1.0.5. something or how as it06:58
Quu.1606:59
tukkoneI had problems before this (random booting etc)06:59
Stskeepsok, so it might be properly corrupted06:59
Stskeepswhere'd you get the error reports from?07:00
tukkonefrom recovery mode console07:00
Stskeepshmm, even the 'btrfs recovery' one?07:00
Nicd-Quu: latest is .1907:00
Quuoh, yeah it is07:00
tukkoneI mailed the screenshot to care07:00
tukkoneI couldn't get the btrfs recovery working after the failed factory recover attempt07:01
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tukkoneI think my Jolla got some how corrupted after failed backup / recover07:05
Stskeepsokay07:06
Stskeepsyeah, you need care then07:06
Stskeepsthey'll reflash the thing likely07:06
tukkoneI couldn't even start the browser or setting app07:06
tukkoneSo you think it is still possible to save the phone? I was already loosing my hope07:08
Stskeepsyes, for sure07:08
Stskeepsit's a reflash away to fix it07:08
Stskeepsprovided the emmc hasn't died07:09
tukkonegood to hear07:09
Stskeepsare you worried about the data, or?07:11
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tukkoneI already lost my data because of failed backup / restore, so I'm not worried anymore07:25
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tukkoneSo what I did before everything went to mess: I made a backup and copied all backups to the sdcard (with settings app option from pulley menu), but didn't check that the latest backup was ok (which wasn't). I think I was a bit careless and copied before the backup was completely done...07:32
stephgtukkone: you deleted the older ones or overwrote them?07:32
stephgoutside chance photorec may be able to find things on the sdcard07:33
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tukkoneNo I didn't overwrite them, I have every older backup but the newest is gone and didn't get copied to sdcard (sdcard is working ok)07:41
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stephgah07:41
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Milo-cool07:44
Milo-wifi hotspot drains battery quite quickly07:44
Milo-even after disabling wifi hotspot :)07:44
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netzviehHmm on android, when using backspace to delete a space after choosing a word from the list above the kb, it will overwrite the word. e.g. word becomes wwor with only wor being underlined08:04
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Nicd-netzvieh: this happens for me too08:32
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coderusjust woke up and got 50+ unread emails about Discrimination, abuse, Right to silence in developers mailing list. Please stop this. Please. Stop. This. !!!09:02
SK_workcoderus: right click: mark as read09:03
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SK_workcoderus: though I would prefer to have a general discussion ML and a dev ML (like everybody)09:03
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AcceI would prefer the spam to stop09:16
Quu"mark as spam" ;p09:17
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SK_workAcce: face it, the spam won't stop09:18
SK_workit's like opening pandora's box09:18
Nicd-I think there should be a generic mailing list for stuff that isn't devel specific09:18
ggabrielit'll never stop so long as people keep enabling the spammers09:18
Nicd-ẗo keep the devel list clean09:19
ggabrielah, you're talking about _that_09:19
SK_workNicd-: +109:19
SK_workah09:19
SK_workforgot about adding what iekku said (generic ml) to next SF meeting09:19
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SK_workiekku: you don't mind if I copied pasted part of your mail about geneirc ml in the agenda for next meeting ?09:21
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faenilo/09:40
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iekkuSK_work, no, not at all. thanks <310:38
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faeniliekku, one thing I forgot to ask during the meeting10:39
faenilI read you agreed to get more info about themes/icons as packages in harbour10:39
faenilcan you give us an update on that?10:40
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Quutheming would be very nice10:49
Quueven just icon packs10:49
SK_workfaenil: add it in next meeting agenda (just in case :))10:50
faenillinky?10:50
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iekkufaenil, i said i will figure out what we can do / if we can do. it's action point from previous meeting. no actions taken yet, as mentioned yesterday. have been bit busy with other tasks. and i still have limited working hours10:53
faeniliekku, ah ok I missed your words in the meeting then sorry :)10:53
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SK_workfaenil: http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings10:54
SK_workit's in ML you lazy10:54
* faenil lazy10:54
faenilah it's always the same link :)10:54
iekku:D10:55
SK_workfaenil: yep, easier :)10:55
faenilyeah, I should have guessed :p10:55
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ccha2when will next sailfish update ?11:22
ggabrielccha2: see tjc - it's moved to june as they're merging 2 updates (6+7)11:22
ccha2with new kernel ?11:23
ggabrielnot that i know of11:23
ggabrielthe kernel is the one that android uses, so check android11:23
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ccha2it's about https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-019611:25
tigeliccha2: fix for that is being worked on11:29
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tigeliccha2: but it's "only" a locally exploitable11:30
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Nicd-hey louisdk, did you order the insmat flip things from jolla shop?11:51
louisdkHey Nicd- yes and it's quite nice.11:52
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ccha2ok thx tigeli12:01
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louisdkWhat is the difference between dev mode enabled vs disabled? SSH server enabled (if activated), terminal shortcut. Anything else? :)12:06
phdeswerExtra usb mode12:11
phdeswerAnd probably some more minor things to make life easy like the terminal app12:11
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stephgthere's a tjc somewhere that lists all of the things in an, er, list12:30
fluxcool, I wrote 10 calendar entries and then noticed they cannot be moved between different calendars13:04
fluxwhat's better than writing 10 calendar entries to jolla via its touch screen? doing it twice!13:05
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Nicd-jolla just wants you to practise writing with a touchscreen13:06
fluxespecially I like that functionality where I set the end-time of the event to be, say, 00:00. it moves the whole event to the previous day.13:08
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fluxwhat happens to calendar event times when I change time zone?13:13
fluxare they kept in local time or in absolute time?13:13
pvuorelaflux: all day events are clock time, others are with the timezone created.13:15
pvuorelaoh and sorry about moving the events, disabled that while sorting out some funkiness with underlying mkcal.13:17
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fluxsomehow I feel it is a bit undereministic what is the default calendar when creating the entry as well..13:20
fluxprevious entry I inserted was Personal by default, but the next I added was not13:20
fluxit seemed to stick to the one added the previous entry as but I guess not13:20
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fluxpvuorela, any luck with next release yet to fix it?-)13:20
pvuorelaflux: let's see :)13:21
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pvuoreladefault calendar should be calendar used when creating last new event.13:21
fluxand while complaining to the correct person ;-) I find it confusing how only 'delete' is accessible via the keep-pressed-menu, but perhaps it's somehow limited to only one entry13:23
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pvuorelam'yeah, it is though also available from event details pulley menu.13:25
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fluxI've somehow learned to associate modification operations with the long press13:27
pvuorelaflux: or was this about expecting "modify" from long press menu?13:27
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fluxyes13:29
pvuorelayeah, could actually make sense.13:29
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Bawalcan i "easily" send/read sms via cli?13:58
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louisdkI've tried a couple of Jolla phones running 1.0.5.16/19 and on all of them I could reproduce this bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/39242/bug-predictive-input-1st-letter-doubling-in-android-applications/ - Anyone using Android apps that does not have this bug?14:00
Nicd-I can confirm it too14:00
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louisdkNicd-, I would really wish Jolla would release more hotfixes to fix these critical bugs. I can easily see this bug being a show stopper for switchers/new users.14:02
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Venemolouisdk I agree14:17
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louisdkVenemo, I've commented on this bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/40756/wiki-urgent-critical-bugs-that-deserve-a-hotfix/ - which you might find relevant.14:19
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louisdkVenemo: Also found this: https://together.jolla.com/question/39819/small-patch-management-between-major-os-updates/14:24
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Cal-Dronemeow14:48
SK_workCal-Drone: hi14:48
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Cal-Droneis there a simple way to get .ica files to android citrix receiver?14:50
SK_workCal-Drone: ??? eh I don't know14:50
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fluxcan I instruct the media indexer (there is one, right?) to use the sdcard as well, so the media player can find them? or do I just need to wait?-)16:21
specialtracker is the component you're looking for, but I'm unsure of the specifics16:21
Quuiirc someone made symlinks16:22
fluxthere is ~/.config/tracker but it's empty16:22
fluxok, I'll try symlinking them to ~/Audio16:22
fluxoops Music I mean16:22
Quucant remember if it worked tho :p16:22
fluxand whaddayaknow, tracker immediately rises to eat the cpu :)16:23
fluxhmh, the media player doesn't seem to have a 'directory' kind of view of things..16:24
fluxso I guess I need to generate playlists16:24
fluxat least those are in plain text, easy to generate16:25
SK_workflux: put your media player in sdcardroot/Music16:27
SK_workit works16:27
SK_workyou can use subfolders inside this one16:27
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fluxsk_work, ok, thanks16:27
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gexcjust got a 'cannot write file /var/tmp/AP_0x809ilc/repodata/repomd.xml' error while trying to refresh the repos16:37
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gexcand it comes back after a reboot16:38
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gexcthere is no such a directory /var/tmp/AP...16:39
gexcmaybe I'll try to make one LOL16:40
gexcnot working16:42
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gexcthis error prevents installing apps it seems :(16:46
gexczypper -v ref reports the error while trying to refresh the repo 'adaption1'16:48
gexcwhat happened?16:48
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gexcthis time it's adaption016:50
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gexcdoes the retrieving process get randomly interupted?16:56
stephggexc: you may be out of space16:58
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gexcwhich partition?16:59
stephgwhat does (as root) btrfs fi show16:59
stephghttps://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/16:59
stephgif it is that, the fix is to free up space as best you can, plug your phone into the mains and run a btrfs balance17:00
stephgplug it in as it's an intensive operation and it'll hit the battery hard17:01
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gexc  /dev/mmcblk0p28 still has 58% free17:01
stephgwith btrfs you can't trust df :)17:01
gexcO_O17:01
Venemo_jhey17:01
stephgit may not be that, but it's worth a look as lack of space causes all sorts of really weird issues17:02
Venemo_jworse than weird issues17:03
gexcYeah...that seems to be it17:03
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gexcI'll try that balance thing ;-)17:06
stephgit's bitten quite a few people (myself included) to the point nwo I don't really use the internal storage17:07
gexcthat's rather weird17:07
stephggot a nice big fast sdcard and put music etc. on that instead17:07
faenilhas anyone bothered asking people in #btrfs some help17:07
faenilso that we know where the problem comes from and can help fix it?17:07
SK_workstephg: same here17:08
stephgfaenil: that's a can of worms ;)17:08
faenilstephg, ?17:08
SK_workI never use internal storage for personnal data17:08
gexcmaybe it's a bad practice to compile directly on the internal storage...17:08
stephgbtrfs lets Jolla do all the shiny stuff with snapshots for the factory reset etc. but it's still a bit, ahem, idiosyncratic :)17:09
faenilstephg, and it won't get better if people don't report bugs ;)17:09
coderuswhat is the high resolution of secondary camera?17:09
faenilcoderus, front camera is 2mp17:09
stephgit'll get better17:10
stephgand I'm sure they know about it :)17:10
faenilI've learned not to make those assumptions :p17:10
coderusfaenil: but what resolution?17:10
coderusis it 4:3?17:10
faenilcoderus, not sure, 2mp is usually 1600x120017:10
faenilnot sure17:10
Stskeepshello warsaw17:11
faenilStskeeps, welcome home :)17:11
stephgfaenil: hehe, but check sections 4.2, 4.6-8 of their wiki https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ :)17:11
faenilstephg, yeah, so what :D are you saying it's not a bug? :)17:12
faenil(which it could even be the case)17:12
stephgI think I'm saying it's a feature that hasn't happened yet ;)17:13
* stephg rarely knows what he's saying17:13
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faenilstephg, yeah, but you know, it takes 2sec (after reading the wiki) to jump in their channel and make sure everything is as it is supposed to be :p17:14
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faenilI've got your point anyway, I'll do that myself when I have that issue (assuming I will)17:15
faenil:p17:15
Venemo_jfaenil +117:18
Venemo_jthe people at #btrfs are indeed very helpful, they even helped me when I had trouble17:19
gexcis it okay to make the external sdcard btrfs?17:20
SK_workgexc: eh17:20
SK_workfor safety and compatibility I formatted mine in fat3217:20
stephggexc: yep absolutely fine, only caveat is it's a good idea to do it on-device rather than on a computer17:20
SK_workyou could go ext4 that could be safer too17:20
SK_workyou won't have the small files issue17:20
stephg(different kernel versions and different btrfs versions interact oddly)17:20
stephgfwiw mine is ext417:21
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gexcI made it btrfs on the phone17:21
stephgcool, no problem then17:21
gexcso it is okay if we use it purely for storage, no fancy stuff?17:22
gexcmaybe I'll reformat it to something else someday :P17:23
stephgdepends what you mean by fancy stuff?17:25
stephgit's perfectly fine to do what you like with it!17:26
gexcLOL17:26
stephgwhat I meant about the on-device off device stuff is that people here sometimes had trouble17:27
stephgcreating a btrfs fs on a computer (say with a new ubuntu)17:27
stephgand then using it on the phone17:27
stephgI think if it's created on the phone none of that'll happen17:27
stephgobvs you can still do snapshots and all the rest17:28
gexccould someday the sdcard reports its full even if it's not?17:30
gexcthere is only one partition though, not as 'fancy' as the internal one :P17:32
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stephggexc: depends how many files you have, how big, how many snapshots you make, stuff like that17:42
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stephgwhat is the capacity of the card?17:43
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gexcit's a 32GB card17:46
gexcjust finished balancing, trying refresh the repos...17:46
gexcseems to be working LOL17:47
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gexcnow moving files to the sdcard...17:59
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stephgcool18:23
stephgonce you've done the move you may want to rebalance18:23
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Kiranosanyone with /topic edit previlegies want to add http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ ?19:55
Kiranosits a great site for jolla users so its a shame not more know about it19:56
Kiranosjust installed google docs :)19:56
Kiranosand latest spotify19:56
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Kiranosbut dame google docs crashes19:58
Kiranoscom.google.android.apps.docs.editors.docs19:58
Kiranoshttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.docs.editors.docs19:59
Kiranosanyone else gotten google docs app to work in jolla?19:59
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stephgKiranos: Drive you mean? yes20:10
* Stskeeps passes around cold beer20:10
stephgnot tried the new ones20:10
* stephg mmmm beer20:11
slatewhich brand20:11
slateI drink no crappy beer.20:11
Stskeepshmm this is like polish beer20:12
Stskeepsit kicks fairly well20:12
Stskeeps:P20:12
* stephg hic20:12
* phdeswer checks his fridge now.20:13
slateBrewdogs Tokyo kicks fairly well also20:13
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Nicd-Kiranos: I wouldn't add it to the topic. it's a 3rd party site not related to jolla and quite frankly I myself wouldn't trust it20:13
phdeswerSaisons Dupond biologique it is ...20:14
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stephgactually not drinking today (too much this week) but I do have a chocolate tarte and coffee icecream and strawberries20:23
Yanielspeaking of trust, I've been poking chromium and firefox with various network monitoring tools...20:24
stephgoh yes?20:24
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KiranosStephg: its the new docs apps20:25
KiranosShould i report crash simewhere?20:25
flanagKiranos: do you have the Google services installed and all that?20:26
KiranosNo just the apk20:26
flanagthat's probably the reason for the crash20:27
Yanielapparently chromium maintains a https connection to some google server (1e100.net) almost all the time (although it seemed to be on keepalive most of the time)20:27
StskeepsYaniel: push notifications?20:27
Yanielas well as the occasional request to clients.google.com and googleapis.com20:27
YanielI think I disabled those20:28
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Yanielbut I have to check again20:28
flanagYaniel: what about Firefox?20:28
Yanielthose guys did quite a good job hiding all seettings20:28
stephgYaniel: had you logged into to google?20:28
Yanielnope20:28
stephg(the browser syncing thing they do)20:28
Yanieljust installed chromium and started setting it to as paranoid as I could20:28
YanielI kinda wish I hadn't checked firefox :D20:29
Yanielbut I have to see about it again without addons20:29
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flanagwhat browser is everyone here using btw?20:29
Nicd-default20:29
Nicd-or on desktop?20:30
stephgflanag: where?20:30
flanagon desktop20:30
stephgyeah20:30
stephgff20:30
flanagheh, should have said that20:30
stephg(very occasionally chromium)20:30
Nicd-chrome, will probably go chromium or opera soonish20:30
flanagwhat's the point of Opera Nicd-? it's just ChOpera20:30
Nicd-speed dial is nice20:30
Nicd-and when they get their sync working I'd trust them more than google20:31
flanagI've been testing SeaMonkey recently, as I don't really like Firefox's Australis..20:31
YanielI used firefox by default (or safari, probably not much better than chrome)20:31
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Yanielbut recently firefox has kept locking up whenever I try to open a file20:31
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stephgflanag: there#s a plugin that undoes all of the new interface stuff20:35
flanagstephg: I've been using that too20:35
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attahAny chance that this will have been fixed in the upcoming release? https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/21:01
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attahThe bug is on line 392 in EventEditPage.qml....21:27
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phdeswerattah: well since you have the qml, post a fix in the question.21:29
attahthe qml is on the phone ^^21:30
attahyeah.. i probably should21:30
faenilpvuorela, ^21:32
phdeswerattah: best way to get something fixed. Kudos to you if you do!21:33
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attahhmm.. i'll make an attempt to cowboy-code it and just swap it on the phone.. just need to figure out what behavior i'd want21:34
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phdeswerattah: that's a hackers spirit! :)21:48
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attahCrap.. i am too tired, that wasn't the bug.. But on a positive note my code "worked"21:59
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attahSuccess.. ugly proof-of-concept works!22:17
attahGood night all!22:20
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