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Nicd-woooo, ircing from airplane04:17
Nicd-coderus: mitäkuuluu doesn't work when flying :)04:17
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Nicd-coderus: now it started working :)04:26
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coderusNicd-: ? :D04:43
Nicd-I think sailfish messed up the connections04:45
Nicd-wlan worked but it had the exclamation mark over the icon04:45
Nicd- reconnected and now all is fine04:45
Nicd-can share flight pics on whatsapp :P04:45
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Nicd-sadly jolla can't get a gps fix, gps might be turned off in airplane mode04:49
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coderussorry, i have no a plane to check tat bug :D04:59
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arNicd-: consumer gps devices won't give you a fix if you're moving faster than 300km/h05:17
coderus"Pilot, stop the plane, i want to checkin here!"05:19
arhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS#Restrictions_on_civilian_use05:24
aroh, actually it's closer to 2000km/h05:25
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Stskeepsgood morning all09:35
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netzviehg'morning Stskeeps :)09:35
faenilStskeeps, what are you doing here :p09:38
attah'morning09:39
Stskeepsfaenil: kid asleep, car boring09:39
faenilah :D09:39
Stskeepsand doing 4G field testing09:40
faenilnice excuse, well done :p09:40
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stephghey hey10:09
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Stskeepsmooo10:10
Stskeepsno 4g in garden..10:10
attahbetter upgrade your garden.. ;)10:10
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Stskeepsotoh after switching provider it now has reliable 3g10:13
* Morpog_PC___ feels bad not being able to try lte with next update as it's not supported by his low cost provider :(10:13
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attahStskeeps: obilgatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkaeU-8b2jE10:14
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faenilMorpog_PC___, same here, you need expensive plans for that :/10:14
Morpog_PC___yep :(10:14
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Kiranoshttp://opensource.yubico.com/yubioath-android/10:18
Kiranos1. Make sure NFC is turned on10:18
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Kiranosis there a way to turn on NFC in jolla?10:19
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attahRevert to one of the first versions of Sailfish? xD10:20
Stskeepswe dont have nfc or nfc apis10:21
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attahI'd like to think i fixed the calendar time issues.. may i solicit some comments on the solution? https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/11:07
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Nicd-yeah ar, I remembered the limit was way higher11:38
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gexcone 'your-phone-is-getting-too-hot' shutdown and one shutdown at the very moment when a call is connected today LOL13:05
gexcfor the case with the call the solution is to remove the battery...13:05
Stskeepsgexc: contact care13:06
gexcnot experiencing these for quite a long time13:06
flanagIt's the "loose battery" problem again..13:06
gexcI have the 'paper-fix' applied13:07
flanagoh13:07
Stskeepsgexc: check systemboot.log .. what kind of shutdown?13:07
Stskeepsie the hot one13:07
Stskeepsin /var/log/systemboot.log13:07
gexcdevice (hw_battery) temp status overheated (70C)13:09
gexcafter rebooting I checked the temp is ~53C13:09
gexcin the lighthouse app13:09
gexcthe phone feels hot, but does not feel like 70C13:10
Stskeepsok, seems somehow related13:11
Stskeepsie, shutdown and temperature13:11
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Stskeepsif there's a loose connection or something, maybe battery temp wouldn't measure well either13:11
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gexcjust checked the last reboot loop seems to be one month before13:14
gexccould it be something like the-paper-pad-loses-its-elasticity?13:16
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ggabrielfinally, got around to write my experience with the jolla13:51
Stskeepsurl?13:51
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ggabrielhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1426521&postcount=282013:51
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ggabrieldon't expect anything too technical or anything like that, a lot has been said already ;)13:52
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faenilggabriel, nice review, you've even been too kind imho :D14:01
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ggabrielfaenil: thanks, and I don't think I've been too kind... this really depends on people's priorities14:02
ggabrielnote that i haven't mentioned android compatibility. there's a reason for that. it isn't important to me14:02
ggabrielbut i did want to highlight that as a phone it performs extremelly well14:03
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faenilggabriel, for example, I gave my Jolla to my brother yesterday14:04
faenilhe had to check trains timetables, just like you! :D14:04
faenilBUT14:04
faenil1) page loaded, pinch to zoom wasn't working in the homepage14:04
faenil2) he wrote the stuff without zooming, clicked continue14:05
faenil3) second page, side scrolling wasn't working and the page was zoomed14:05
faenilhe couldn't go on, I blushed and told him to try firefox for android14:05
faenilbut that got stuck as well along the process14:05
faenilin the end I had him use the official timetable android app14:06
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faeniland finally he could check timetables :(14:06
faeniland I was sad :(14:06
faenilhe's got a Lumia620, btw (just so you what experience he was comparing to)14:06
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Raimggabriel: FWIW, MeeRun is available from OpenRepos. I have no idea whether this is the full version, though, as I did not use it on N9.14:10
ggabrielfaenil: depends on the website, yeah14:14
faenilactually I was misremember, I had him to switch to firefox for android because browser (after it failed sidescrollling) froze for a few secs14:15
faenilmisremembering*14:15
ggabrielwhat i do is alternate between the stock browser and webcat14:15
ggabrielmost of the times, my problem is that websites refuse to go to mobile mode with stock browser14:16
ggabrielhowever, this is a common problem to all platforms... companies should spend $$$ in enhancing their websites, not making a shell app to access them14:16
faenilthat's a an acceptable issues14:16
faenilbut not being able to navigate it is not imho14:16
ggabrieltrue, the browser does have problems14:16
faeniland it's also OSS, we should help with that...14:17
ggabrielbut safari for ios/chrome or ff for android also have issues...14:17
ggabrielyup14:17
faenilbut a web engine is not exactly the easiest piece of code in the world14:17
ggabrielit gets worse if you see the server side14:17
faenileheh14:17
ggabriela lot of mobile web pages, even applications, are done through web scrapping14:18
ggabrielwhich is, well, not only expensive but also rubbish14:18
faenil:)14:18
ggabrielRaim: didn't know... i'll certainly have a look and/or ask the author14:18
faenilI think webkit is bigger than the linux kernel iirc14:18
ggabrielgood ole webkit14:19
faenileh..14:20
ggabrielnice, found meerun14:21
ggabriellet's check it out14:21
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ggabrielcool, meerun on the jolla :P now I can take both phones and record at the same time hahaha14:53
EyeaJolla )0!1@ yoh14:54
attahWho wants to try the calendar patch?14:54
* attah sucks at making patches though..14:54
attah(creating the actual patch file that is)14:55
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Sfiet_Konstantinattah: calendar patch ?14:57
attahFor this: https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/14:57
attahAnd to be percetly honest i sneaked this in there too: https://together.jolla.com/question/10327/feature-requestcalendar-reminder-turned-on-by-default/14:58
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: I mean, do you wrote a patch ?14:59
attahYes14:59
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: and it works ?15:00
attahyes :)15:00
Sfiet_Konstantinplease distribute it through patchmanager ? :)15:00
attahwhat is that? :P15:00
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9293515:00
Sfiet_Konstantinbasically, easy install of patches for everybody15:00
attahLooks interesting :)15:02
attahBut that means i would have to make an rpm that provides that patch dir?15:04
attahI am hoping that at least the first fix will get mainlined within a release or so... The default reminders though.. seems perfect for patchmanager15:06
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Sfiet_KonstantinJolla people ? ^15:08
Sfiet_KonstantinVDVsx: ^ ?15:09
Sfiet_Konstantin(sorry VDVsx you were the only one I could found)15:09
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AL13NStskeeps: sad news... i get reboots now very frequently, first when i used flash with pictures, now also when trying to make a call, like after 15seconds being connected, battery level > 60%  :-( . it's always the same, it's instant off and starting up again...15:13
attahphdeswer&faenil showed some interest yesterday.. but atm I mostly want some comments on the solution15:13
AL13Ni tried remove battery for 15min etc...15:13
AL13Nit's became unreliable for placing a phone call now :-(15:13
flanagpaper fix15:14
AL13Nanyone think this could be software related? or should i email care@ ?15:14
flanaghave you tried the paper fix, AL13N?15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: where's your patch15:15
faenilattah, I don't even use calendar, fwiw :)15:15
Sfiet_Konstantin?15:15
AL13Nyou mean with the sim cad?15:15
flanagno15:15
AL13Nthe NFC paper fix?15:15
flanagwith the battery15:15
AL13Nbattery?15:15
AL13Ni didn't hear that one before15:15
flanagsec15:15
AL13Nthe battery isn't hot or anything15:15
flanag"Take a piece of paper, fold it so that it becomes 0.5-1 millimeters thick. Then insert this folded paper between the bottom part of the battery and the phone body. The idea is to press the battery tightly upwards against the battery contacts of the phone body (see the attached picture).15:15
attahfaenil: oh.. okay, you did show up in the conversation log though15:15
flanagWe have measured that if the contact of the battery to the phone body is loose (although it does not seem to be loose), then the impedance over this connection is higher and can cause a voltage drop in some current peak situations, making the phone eventually turn off as the voltage drops momentarily under the allowed minimum level. Then use your phone normally (with mobile data) in those same conditions where your phone usually15:15
flanag reboots. Observe if the reboots continue or not. Thanks a lot!"15:15
AL13Nplus, i've been using it successfully since november, only the last few weeks are like this15:16
faenilattah, maybe I tried to help :)15:16
attahyep. you pinged what i believe to be another sailor15:16
AL13Noic15:16
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attahsfiet_konstantin: now it is here http://piratepad.net/Vjd1kv8jwS15:18
attahi applied it with "patch -p0 -i /home/nemo/calendar.patch"15:19
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flanagAL13N: all the symptoms sound like the paper fix should help, so I would try it if I were you (or alternatively send it to service and they'll fix it)15:19
attahand i do recommend taking a backup of /usr/share/jolla-calendar/pages/*15:19
AL13Nflanag: i'm doing the fix, but i can fold a paper only once, or it won't fit15:20
AL13Nanyway, we'll see15:20
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: yep, can understand15:20
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat do this fix ?15:20
AL13Nthe piece of paper that i put in must be more like 0.15mm15:20
attahthe two issues on tjc taht i linked previously15:20
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AL13Nflanag: thanks for the retell :-)15:21
flanagAL13N: no problem, I suffered from the same problem too :)15:21
attahor issue + feature request15:21
AL13Nhmm... we'll see15:21
attahsfiet_konstantin: i put comments on how i do what i do15:22
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: yeah checked15:22
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: think about adding to patchmanager15:22
Sfiet_Konstantin(like putting it in a github)15:22
Sfiet_Konstantin(I can make a package from it if you need)15:23
Sfiet_Konstantinbut on a github, it eases contribution15:23
AL13Nwhoops, when booting, i cleaned the screen, and now i'm stuck on notifications (because of a swipe from the bottom edge during a bad time)15:23
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: why would you force putting end to startDate + 1h when editing ?15:24
Sfiet_Konstantindon't think that's correct15:24
flanagAL13N: you should report that as a bug on together15:24
attahsfiet_konstantin: me neither really.. but it was like that.. only broken15:25
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AL13Nmyes, i should, anyway, it's no biggy, just pressing the button and doing double-tap fixed it15:25
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: mind putting on github15:25
Sfiet_Konstantinsounds good15:25
attahsfiet_konstantin: working on it15:26
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: cool15:26
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Sfiet_Konstantinattah: works :)15:28
attahmember:identifier:sfiet_konstantin: great.. nothing worse than bricking other people's stuff15:28
attah^derp15:29
AL13Nflanag: https://together.jolla.com/question/43682/swipe-during-bootup-can-hang-ui/15:29
Sfiet_Konstantinattah:  ???15:29
attahi copied your name in the client to save myself from typing it all the time... and that failed a bit15:30
flanagAL13N: great that you reported it :)15:30
AL13Nforgot my workaround, added it15:30
* attah wishes there was a clearcase hub15:31
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: thought about writing sf<TAB> and have it autocompleted ?15:32
attahSfiet_Konstantin: woops.. didn't know it could do that :O15:32
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: magic15:33
attahindeed15:33
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attahSfiet_Konstantin: i just remembered how much i hate working remote with git.. it'll have to wait at least until after dinner15:34
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StskeepsAL13N: mail care15:43
AL13NStskeeps: should i try that paper fix first?15:45
Stskeepsi prfer cre15:45
AL13Nk15:45
phdeswerattah: just saw your patch. great work and spirit!15:46
attahphdeswer: thanks!15:46
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Eyea)0!1@15:48
phdesweratj_: Does it fix your problem? If so you should link it to the tjc post. Maybe  it can be picked up by Jolla from there15:49
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attahSfiet_Konstantin: https://github.com/attah/calendar-patch16:27
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Stskeepswhat you patchin'?16:29
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faenil<attah> For this: https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/16:30
faenil<attah> And to be percetly honest i sneaked this in there too: https://together.jolla.com/question/10327/feature-requestcalendar-reminder-turned-on-by-default/16:30
attahyep, that. thanks faenil16:33
javispedrofaenil: one liner fix for the signon issue =)16:34
javispedroExec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=generic /usr/bin/signond in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.google.code.AccountsSSO.SingleSignOn.service16:35
javispedrooops, wrong channel too =)16:35
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javispedrofaenil: after that I can chown the signond dbs to privileged:privileged and mail seems to work16:37
javispedroas does telepathy16:37
faeniljavispedro, thanks, I'm still genuinely interested in why it's on top of the things to fix :)16:41
faeniljust because I could have misconceptions, which I'd like to fix ;)16:42
javispedrofaenil: without aegis or sandboxing there are a lot other things that will probably surprise you16:42
javispedroand clearly that is not priority #116:43
faenilwell, if it takes a few mins to fix and the media is bugging about it, I'd say it's quite high on the list :p16:43
faenilbtw, let me know the other surprised, I'd rather know and act accordingly :p16:44
javispedroI suspect you can still strace any application you want to and read its memory16:44
javispedro*ptrace16:44
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faenilnot  interested :) not surprising16:47
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javispedrothere https://together.jolla.com/question/39495/security-risk-with-sqlite-db-in-jolla-passwords-in-plain-text-in-user-space/?answer=43685#post-id-43685 , let's exploit some karma out of the plain text scare =)17:04
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faeniljavispedro, I don't have issues with plain text passwords17:07
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faenilbut I have issues with plain text passwords stored in files which are readable by *everything*17:07
faenilanything*17:07
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AL13N_jollai did some tests with camera and flash and it seems to be better, for now.18:09
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javispedrowhat, I can't send more than one mail in 5 minutes using gitorious?19:24
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Stskeepspeople still use gitorious?19:31
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tbrjftr: kalakukko is good stuff. but maybe not with pineapple... ;) (re mailing list)19:53
Stskeepsi wonder if pizza with pineapple is a bikeshed topic19:53
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tbrin finland you can have pineapple with everything, including pizza. this seems to insult among others a certain italian native. ;)19:56
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Stskeepsso kinda like poland and cabbage19:57
tbralthough pineapple pizza is quite common also in other places. in germany pineapple and ham = pizza hawaii19:57
Quui put mustard and habanero on everything19:58
Nicd-I can't fathom why pineapple in a pizza would insult people19:58
Quuon rye-bread its ultimate combo19:58
Nicd-pineapple + ham is awesome19:58
tbrQuu: i prefer hot mustard, the sweet stuff here in fi insults me ;)19:59
Quutrue true19:59
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Nicd-tbr: try colman's20:00
attahPineapple and Mämmi?20:00
Quueww20:00
flanagno thanks20:00
phdeswertbr: but that is just one pizze with pineapple. Here you almost need to ask to take it off to get one without.20:00
HarhaanJohtajahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw53dNE2-CM20:00
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phdeswerattah: ultimate Finnish pizze would be mämmi, pineapple and that fake meat product they call sausage sometimes.20:01
attahHaha :) That's almost mean20:01
tbrphdeswer: correct :)20:02
tbrphdeswer: the latter I simply call "finnish vegetables", as it's mostly flour and no meat...20:02
tbrthank god this stuff started disappearing somewhen during the early 90s20:03
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tbrnowadays you get a sensible selection of sausages20:03
* Stskeeps learns about finnish sausages..20:03
KiranosStskeeps: so jolla phone cant do NFC communication ?20:04
Kiranosie we cant use yubikey NEO?20:04
* tbr has not so fond memories of those during the 80s and 90s...20:04
phdeswerStskeeps: when it is in Finland and not Finnish it is ok to buy. Otherwise you get a bread with meat-like products mixed into it ;)20:04
Kiranoshttp://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/yubikey-neo/technical-description/20:04
tbrKiranos: the NFC reader is only for the ToH identification20:04
Kiranosok20:04
phdeswerStskeeps: otoh Polish sausages are supposed to be awesome.20:04
Stskeepsphdeswer: i loathe polish sausages, tb20:05
Stskeepsh20:05
tbrKiranos: it was not engineered for general purpose, hence its range is sthg like 1-2mm20:05
Stskeepsi'm from denmark and i miss a lot of the sausages we have20:05
KiranosI just hooked up my yubikey to the linux pam auth20:05
Kiranosso my servers need my yubikey to login20:05
Stskeepshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medisterp%C3%B8lse , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B8d_p%C3%B8lse20:05
tbrKiranos: the yubi should have USB. better chances with that...20:06
Kiranosyea using that on the desktop/laptop20:06
Kiranosworse with phone20:06
tbryou'd need to power it from somewhere with 5V though20:06
tbrno, I mean the Jolla in theory does USB host20:06
Kiranosoh20:06
Kiranosthe power can be hard though20:06
tbrphdeswer: we should try that some time again20:06
tbrlast time the kernel didn't allow me to switch to host mode20:07
phdeswertbr: indeed we should try.20:07
phdeswerI was trying a usb gadget thingy and realized that it would not work as I had no way to power it.20:07
tbrnah, power is easy, can be made into a small active cable20:07
tbrphdeswer: use a powered usb hub. that's my standard test setup for this scenario.20:08
phdeswerI know, but I had no equipment to make such cable20:08
tbr(yes I've done hacks like this before, on MUSB no less...)20:08
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phdeswerBut yes we should meet up for a beer and hack it.20:08
tbrsure20:08
tbrI can give you one of my cables20:08
tbrshould I drop it off at your office on monday?20:08
tbrit's basically one of those nokia host cables with the connector filed into shape20:09
phdeswerYou could, just can't tell when I will have time to fool around with it.20:09
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phdeswerAnd having someone around to drink beer with during kernel compiles is always more fun ;)20:10
tbr:)20:10
tbrsure20:10
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tbrphdeswer: http://t.co/IVt3a4bJny my quick test setup from back then20:11
phdesweryep. Would be nice to know what exactly was the problem. As I realized not so long ago that the switching to host mode I implemented in usb_moded hits a permission problem in /sys20:13
tbrI think I tried poking it manually too20:13
tbrI can try again some time soon20:13
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tbrIIRC I got permission denied back from the kernel (not the FS)20:14
phdeswertbr: Not sure, but isn't Helatorstai next week a day off?20:15
tbrphdeswer: yes, not sure when we're going to oulu for some family function though20:16
phdeswerWell ping me if you have time around there.20:16
tbr*nod* will do20:17
phdeswerMight be good to have a look to get me started quickly as most of that stuff is totally unknown to ,e20:17
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Kiranostbr: so its an OTG-adapter I should buy?20:45
Kiranosto hook up with a powered usb hub20:45
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tbrKiranos: yeah, it's going to be a bit complicated. also the otg adapter needs a micro-B connector, not micro-a20:51
KiranosDeltaco KABEL USB 2.0 TYP A- MICRO B HO-HA OTG 0.2M20:52
tbrthe powered hub (or other way to inject 5V) is necessary as the jolla can't power the bus20:52
Kiranosyea I'll see if I can find such a cable but from what I read above, your having issues with the usb port acting as host?20:53
tbrI'm likely going to fit a 18650 cell and a regulator alongside an adapter cable, that will allow me to power the bus independently.20:53
slatecosts 1eur and 5mins to build one?20:54
attahtbr: like this? http://www.nokia.com/global/products/accessory/dc-16/ ^^20:55
tbrattah: does that do inline power?20:56
slatehttp://www.amazon.com/Micro-Cable-Power-Samsung-AtomicMarket/dp/B009YPYORM20:57
slateten bucks20:57
slateis this what you are planning to build?20:57
slate+5V input through usb-a20:57
attahtbr: how do you mean inline?20:57
attahfwiw i was still expecting to use a custom cable with it20:58
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tbrattah: what this needs is to feed D+/D- through while adding 5V20:58
tbrattah: but yeah, inside is a 18650 cell and a simple charger and regulator. exactly what I build for fun myself20:59
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attahtbr: data seems to not be connected21:01
Kiranostbr: so to be sure Micro-B to USB A- female?21:01
tbryes21:02
tbrmicro-b is what fits into your jolla21:02
tbrand a female is easy to use to connect stuff21:03
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tbrif you'd have something else like a hub, then you could also do micro-b to micro-b or to mini-b or b21:03
tbrbut a female is nice and generic21:03
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Kiranosgreat a cable with 5v or a usb hub with power doesnt matter to me, hub is actually better as if I use ubikey with the phone usually I dont have a laptop around and if so no power for the extra usb end to draw power from21:06
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attah\o Sfiet_Konstantin21:31
attahhttps://github.com/attah/calendar-patch if you missed it..21:32
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AL13N"tbr: but a female is nice and generic" <---- O.o21:45
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Sailor9567i have a problem22:09
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Sailor9567today my jolla phone freezed while using an android app22:10
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Sailor9567after restart the closing app jesture doesn't work22:11
Sailor9567any idead?22:11
Sailor9567the gesture for closing apps/locking screen doesn't work22:12
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Sailor9567nevermind22:20
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