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coderusAard: can you probably set sqlite default password to jolla account one or security code lock?05:36
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Aardcoderus: that would compromise the security of the security lock / jolla account07:06
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coderusis the sqlite password bruteforce too easy?07:07
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coderusi'm just guessing :)07:07
coderusor providing system like kde/gnome keyrings07:08
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Aardcoderus: no, in that case we'd need to store the password in plaintext somewhere so that apps can access it. back to square one07:25
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.0 update. Download: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu Changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.007:52
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netzviehis it possible to create new calendars?08:23
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Nicd-ok, time to empty my phone for optima08:36
AL13N_work?08:36
Nicd-going in for SIM card repair08:37
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Nicd-well, SIM card holder repair to be exact08:38
AL13N_workoic08:38
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crazy_impheyho09:47
crazy_impis there a list with new features we can expect with the next release?09:48
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tbryes, they posted a roadmap for u6/709:48
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Stskeepsplus https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/09:49
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crazy_impgreat, thanks :)09:51
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Accewhat does "locked in QA" mean?09:57
Accesome new thing? before I was able to submit changes after the first submit too09:58
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Acceor does it mean it is currently being reviewed, perhaps?09:58
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AL13N_workStskeeps: oooh, nice10:55
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netzvieh[10:23:56] <netzvieh> is it possible to create new calendars on the device? I'd like to have multiple local calendars ...12:40
AL13N_worknetzvieh: no idea, but have you seen this: https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/12:41
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netzviehAL13N_work: yep, but regarding calendars I could only find the sync stuff12:44
KabouikDoes Alien support bluetooth already? I'm trying to connect to my PC using AIO remote (Android app), and it tells me my device doesn't support Bluetooth (it is on in Sailfish settings)12:46
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AL13N_workwhat do i support?12:56
AL13N_workah wait, you meant aliendalvik12:57
KabouikWell, not you, the other guy. Dalvik. :<12:57
AL13N_workgonna have to ship my jolla to care@12:58
AL13N_workrandom reboot stuff12:58
ggabriel:(12:58
AL13N_work:-/12:58
ggabrieli got a million random things yesterday12:58
ggabrielblinking red and green12:58
ggabrielbattery was very low tho12:58
AL13N_workpaper-fix seems to work, but may be placebo12:58
ggabrieland i kinda blame meerun12:58
ggabrielbut i'll continue testing12:58
AL13N_worki don't have meerun installed12:58
ggabrieli didn't do paper fix just yet12:58
coderusand factory reset doesnt help?12:58
ggabrielmy randomness only just started, and coincides with meerun12:59
ggabrielmay be coincidence12:59
AL13N_worki had > 60% battery, so i didn't do factory reset12:59
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ggabrielsomething good has to come out of this distraction in the dev mailing list13:07
ggabrielnamely, thread support in the email application :D13:07
smokexhaha :D13:07
smokexalso the talk of a forum is nice13:08
ggabrieli'm not reading tbh13:08
ggabrielsometimes ignoring is better13:08
phdeswerWell it is the same pro/con stuff about forum vs mailing list13:08
smokexthe guy that started the thread has left and we are sicussing how to improve things now13:08
ggabrielfair enough13:09
ggabrielalbeit i saw one of his emails yesterday13:09
ggabrielit'd be nice to mark a full thread as read+delete :P13:09
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netzviehggabriel: thread support in mail app?13:16
ggabrielnetzvieh: yeah, you know, like the n9 has (and ios, android)13:17
ggabrielemail thread support13:17
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netzviehyeah I know what thread support is :D but it seems I missed that it is/will be in the mail app13:20
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ggabrielnetzvieh: oh, no, pure speculation on my part13:25
CoderCandyI feel lonley on minecraft13:25
CoderCandy... wrong channel, sorry13:25
ggabriellol13:26
netzviehggabriel: ah :D but improvements to the mail client would be most welcome ...13:26
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ggabrielthey'd be nice indeed, altho it does work pretty well13:29
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KabouikAnyone knows about my bluetooth/Aliendalvik question?13:38
StskeepsKabouik: not working13:38
Stskeepsafaik13:38
KabouikAh, too bad. I thought I had seen something about Dalvik now being able to use some more hardware in a previous update, but perhaps it was for the camera?13:39
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thargoris anybody online who is using the jolla in switzerland? I'm asking because of some troubles with mms13:56
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Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/38555/mms-issues-hints-for-debugging-and-helping-us-to-improve/13:57
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thargorthanks stskeeps, but I'm interested to know if anybody has the same behavior or does probably have a solution (or even is able to help testing ;-))13:58
Stskeepswell, solution might be in comments :)13:58
thargorsending is working. But during receiving I'll get an 504 error. Could be the same as already posted in answer part. But I'm curious to know if they experience the same problem14:00
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fk_lx_http://jollamoralstandards.blogspot.com/14:53
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.1 hotfix released14:55
TMavicathanks14:56
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chem|stcoderus: nice that you take care, but I'd be happy to see you to make use of your skills in better ways than supporting a multibillion$ company14:58
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coderuschem|st: sorry, what are you talking about? :)14:59
chem|stcoderus: aren't you the maintainer of mitakuuluu?15:00
coderussure, but what you mean in the message?15:00
coderusi didnt understood15:00
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SK_workcoderus: I guess, supporting whatsapp15:00
chem|stmitakuuluu is a whatsapp client?15:00
coderusSK_work: ah, thanks :D15:01
chem|stthe company that recently changed their terms to own all sent items15:01
coderussorry, i dont care, i'm not paranoid :)15:01
SK_workcoderus: what if you developed your own client, based on open protocols, with bridges to all other messengers :D15:01
coderusi used icq, google talk, and now i'm using whatsapp15:01
coderusi'm just doing what i like15:02
chem|stthis has nothing to do with paranoia but respect of identities15:02
SK_workcoderus: :)15:02
coderusif you hire me i can do whatewer you need15:02
coderusbut unless.. ;)15:02
SK_work+115:02
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chem|stwasted talent15:03
SK_workchem|st: not at all15:03
SK_workwhatsapp is popular, and coderus's app makes SFOS a bit more attractive15:04
coderuswant to offer me a job?15:04
chem|stcoderus: would love to but I have no budget left15:05
coderusif anyone have a company, or have a friend who have a company, or have a friend who have a friend with company, and want to hire mobile developer -> i'm here :)15:06
chem|stSK_work: true, just like a fully functional xmpp client would do15:07
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chem|stbut as it was only important to support facebook chat, it is useless else15:08
SK_workchem|st: not for everybody15:08
SK_workbecause "normal people" want whatsapp15:08
SK_workchem|st: it supports my xmpp account so ...15:08
SK_work(the integrated xmpp support)15:08
ggabrieli guess chem|st refers to voice/video over xmpp too15:09
ggabrielbut that requires mw and frontend dev15:09
ggabrielalso, probably mw is pretty much there15:09
chem|stnormal people want a working alternative to whatsapp - not so tech savvy friends tell me about features they do not have with other clients but would love to go elsewhere15:09
ggabrielso, it wouldn't be an "app", it'd be a plugin (which is the way it should be)15:09
chem|stggabriel: +115:09
chem|stfiletransfer is most important to most15:09
ggabrielwhatsapp protocol should be a plugin too15:10
chem|st"can I send pictures with it?"15:10
Oni^chem|st: tell them there is IRC15:10
ggabrieli guess the api's are not normalised just yet15:10
chem|stOni^: problem is, the android clients are all fsckup BS15:11
chem|stfor anything15:11
coderuswhen you'll do muc support for conversations app, and provide api for controlling my plugin, i'll make whatsapp account plugin :)15:11
chem|stI do not know an xmpp client that has full functionality on android either15:11
SK_workchem|st: because there isn't ?15:11
chem|stcoderus: porting it to telepathy, that is where the api is15:12
SK_workxmpp protocol is not standardized enough to have video between (eg) your instance, and google talk15:12
SK_workfor example15:12
chem|stSK_work: gtalk isn't xmpp anymore15:12
SK_workchem|st: not hangouts, gtalk15:12
Oni^If there is one for Nintendo DS why not to android15:13
chem|stthought that is turned off by now15:13
coderuschem|st: i'm talking about sailfish supoprt for muc15:13
coderuschem|st: i'm still using gtalk xmpp :)15:13
chem|stcoderus: you mean the messaging frontend of SFOS15:13
chem|stah ok thought that was gone by march or april15:14
coderuschem|st: yes15:15
coderuswhen sailfish conversaions gui will support muc we'll do some plugins port15:15
coderusas already have libpurple ported there are many protocols plugins pending15:15
coderusbut without eal muc support in frontend most of them just useless now15:16
coderusreal*15:16
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chem|stcoderus: channelmanager not up to it yet?15:17
chem|stI thought that the limitation is the plugin atm not the other parts15:18
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AL13N_worki saw filepicker!!!!15:23
AL13N_workin the list of new stuff to come!15:23
AL13N_workis there any documentation on the filepicker api yet?15:24
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kimmoliTJC Badge "Necromancer" - who makes these up?15:26
Stskeepsaskbot defaults?15:26
coderusAL13N_work: filepicker only as internal sailfish-browser component, not public component for developers15:27
ggabrielkimmoli: i have one of those, it's awesome :D15:27
kimmoli"Answered a question more than 30 days later with at least 1 votes"15:27
ggabrielSK_work: fwiw, video call through xmpp between an n9 and a fedora's pidgin worked15:27
coderuschem|st: channelmanager?15:27
ggabrieli don't think it does any more because google15:27
FireFlykimmoli: probably borrowed from StackExchange15:27
ggabrielbut otherwise it was very good15:27
AL13N_workcoderus: oh... :-(15:28
ggabrielSK_work: i should have said using gtalk15:28
kimmolihmm i have old windows gtalk client still in use15:28
AL13N_workcoderus: perhaps i can hijack the qml somehow15:28
kimmoliisnt filepicker qml there on the phone?15:29
coderusAL13N_work: sure, but why didnt made own picker yet?15:29
AL13N_workbut then i'd have to do directories stuff and tracker and all those things15:30
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coderusAL13N_work: SomethingPicker is differs fith FilePicker15:30
coderusFilePicker is much easier :)15:30
Stskeepson a sidenote, we should establish irc guidelines at some point for this place and collect a volunteer corps for ops.. as this is more community15:31
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ggabrieli hope the occasional chitchat doesn't go away :)15:32
ggabrieli would never have seen riot otherwise!15:32
Stskeepsof course15:32
SK_workggabriel: gtalk had a rather sane implementation of video IIRC15:33
SK_workbut other XMPP servers either don't have, or have a different15:34
SK_work...15:34
ggabrielSK_work: ok, sorry, didn't understand that you were talking in general15:34
ggabrielat any rate, i'd rather effort spent in fixing server implementations than creating a closed protocol15:35
ggabrielif a need is there for a new protocol, it should be open (like xmpp was born)15:35
AL13N_workcoderus: i don't quite understand what you mean15:35
SK_workggabriel: yes, google did this way for video, but seeing the lack of adoption, the gave up15:35
AL13N_workcoderus: unless you mean that i should do stuff with tracker15:36
AL13N_work*shouldn't15:36
SK_work(or seeing that they could take advantage of a closed protocol, they gave up :))15:36
ggabrielSK_work: ofc google gave up cause lack of adoption and not because they want to show you ads and that stuff while you chat ;)15:36
SK_workggabriel: :)15:37
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coderusAL13N_work: in my mind FilePicker is just filesystem browser.15:39
coderuswith no features15:39
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chem|stcoderus: nemo messaging handler stuff15:49
* chem|st does not know what is FOSS yet and what not15:49
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specialcoderus: MUC is waiting on some middleware refactoring, which I have ongoing in a background branch, and then on a bit of UI work15:52
coderusspecial: cool, thanks :)15:54
javispedroggabriel: after some long investigation I've found out that the single reason most XMPP implementations for Android/iPhone/WP suck is the lack of multitasking15:56
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ggabrieljavispedro: that's interesting indeed15:58
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javispedroalso there's some android myth that keeping many IM connections alive kills the battery15:59
ggabrielandroid kills the battery16:00
javispedroI agree.16:00
ggabrielalso, javispedro, thanks for completing the answer in tjc - forgot that the guy/girl also asked about multiple clients16:00
javispedronp16:01
javispedroalso, server-side history storage (known in xmpp as message archiving iirc) doesn't seem to be very prevalent in servers16:02
ggabrieli bet google excelled that that ;-)16:03
* ggabriel bbl - shopping16:03
javispedrogoogle used some propietary stuff for that16:03
SK_workggabriel: wondering: should message be archived server-side ?16:04
SK_workisn't this nice for NSA etc.16:04
Aardjavispedro: xmpp will be irrelevant soon anyway, with google and facebook dropping it. back to a few weird geeks like me using it with their own servers :/16:05
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javispedrothe concept of an open web, gnu/linux desktop environments will also be irrevelant soon.16:06
* javispedro has not been optimistic as of lately16:07
javispedroso at least I am trying to make a stand :)16:07
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chem|stjavispedro: true... with no successor to the n900 there will be no qwerty linux phone and without working mtp on most LTS distros noone will ever use it again ;)16:12
chem|stAard: fb chat is going whatsapp integrated?16:13
specialchem|st: not so far, just closed16:14
specialthey moved it to a separate app from their own mobile apps and are discontinuing XMPP next eyar16:14
specialyear*16:14
javispedrobasically more or less what google did, except that fb did not even federate to begin with16:15
chem|stspecial: reading proprietary protocols?16:15
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specialother than XMPP, they don't offer any public APIs for chat.16:15
chem|stok16:15
specialgoogle hasn't announced that they're discontinuing XMPP support, but it's probably going to happen.16:15
w00twhich just gives me more incentive to not use facebook :-)16:15
w00tso I'm not entirely complaining...16:16
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SK_workspecial: ah yeah ... the move from xmpp from Facebook :(16:16
coderuswhatsapp and facebook announced about future plans. and they wont integrate facebook into whatsapp.16:16
javispedrospecial: neither the new gmail web interface nor any of their mobile apps supports federation any longer16:17
SK_workspecial: they promised an API that is under review and "available soon"16:17
Aardsame here. it'll demote facebook for me to something I just keep around so I can contact friends if I need to, but not really use anymore16:17
w00tspecial: ping!16:17
SK_work(to big paid customers ? :()16:17
javispedrowhether they internally use xmpp or not is irrevelant16:17
javispedro(e.g. whatsapp used some bastardized xmpp)16:17
specialSK_work: they seem to be working towards making it irrelevant16:17
specialfacebook's XMPP bridge has always been crap. We're probably better without it.16:17
SK_workspecial: indeed16:17
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SK_workbut I want APIs16:17
SK_workFB was good at providing API but now they are keeping everything for themselve16:18
SK_works16:18
specialjavispedro: federation is a separate issue, really. XMPP support at least gives you broad open client support16:18
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javispedroit is certainly separate, but without it you are at the whim of the server, which is what I want to avoid16:19
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javispedroprecisely so that one can switch when they make blunders such as what they're doing now16:19
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* Stskeeps could need a cold one18:32
* stephg pages kimmoli, he has the coldest18:32
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mikmano soup for you18:34
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Stskeepsi had cold soup today18:34
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* kimmoli has cold here...18:38
* kimmoli no soup18:39
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mikmamm mmm mmmm... sauna is about ready \o/18:42
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Gorithis there some incoming fixes for the booting issues?19:14
Stskeepsif your device shuts down or reboots, contact care19:14
Gorithafter a service (they switch battery) no booting, but at last few days there is again some booting19:15
Stskeepsokay, if the repair didn't work, contact again, i presume19:15
Gorithie. with android apps and camera19:16
Gorithmaybe then, it is different now19:16
Gorithok, but anyway, just asking if there is some fixes coming and if not then maybe I'll contact care19:17
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hR13_Hi all, I need to export my addressbook from jolla to cvs or similar how do I do that?19:29
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Stskeepskimmoli: i'm still waiting for jollamemes dot tumblr dot com20:40
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ottulonenStskeeps: I get in my head an image of a man sitting on a chair - for a long time21:01
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