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AL13N_workcoderus: that would be fine for me... but is it that simple to make?07:20
Nicd-jolla in service, I'm stuck with a cheap android07:20
StskeepsNicd-: which one, ooi?07:20
Nicd-galaxy gio07:20
Stskeepsah07:20
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AL13N_worki'll be stuck without a phone, when my phone goes into service07:21
Nicd-installed a reddit client and google+, now the memory is full07:21
Nicd-I can't even07:21
coderusAL13N_work: very simple. folderlistmodel is here07:21
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AL13N_workcoderus: ah, like that07:21
coderusjust make suitable delegate for your project07:21
AL13N_workNicd-: my phone keeps giving errors that updates fail due not enough memory (even though i don't do any updates at all)07:22
AL13N_workwhich means the automatic uncontrollable google services app is trying to update07:22
AL13N_workNicd-: workphone07:22
SK_workNicd-: you can't even finish your sentence :D07:22
AL13N_work:-)07:22
Nicd-SK_work: exactly!07:22
Nicd-SK_work: I ran out of memory07:22
SK_work:D07:23
Nicd-I'd love to put Sailfish on this though, boot it off an SD card07:23
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faenilveskuh, ping09:22
Stskeeps(may take a while, people are at lunch..)09:23
faenilyeah, just realized09:23
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veskuhfaenil, pong09:51
faenilveskuh, got a few minutes to try reproduce a bug on sf browser?09:51
faenilactually, 1min09:51
veskuhfaenil, sure09:51
faenilwww.trenitalia.com09:51
faenilgo there, and try pinch-to-zoom09:52
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veskuhfaenil, yep, broken. I'll file. Thanks.09:52
faenilveskuh, cool, thanks09:53
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faenilit's the national italian train stuff, so quite a big annoyance :D09:53
w00tchoo choo09:53
faenilahah09:53
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* ggabriel remembers the last time he checked trenitalia....09:53
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chem|stfaenil: are you complaining about being unable to zoom?09:54
faenilchem|st, yep09:54
chem|stfaenil: that is on alot of websites09:55
faenilchem|st, well, if you fix one, you may fix all of them :) so let's report unfunctioning websites and provide veskuh ways to enjoy the day! :D09:55
chem|stin landscape you cannot even see 40% of the site...09:56
ggabrielfwiw, sometimes the inability to zoom is desired09:56
chem|stat least that is what I had on another...09:56
chem|stggabriel: yeah I thought that is the website as you cannot zoom it on android devices too09:56
ggabrieladmittedly, mobile website design isn't mature enough (because evreybody has a stupid "app")09:58
faenilggabriel, inability to zoom should only happen on mobile websites09:58
ggabrieli haven't checked trenitalia on the jolla tbh09:59
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faenilveskuh, fyi, zooming works both on Webcat and Firefox for Android (both on Jolla)10:00
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veskuhfaenil, yep, works also on chrome so definitely in our gecko adaptaion10:10
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faenilveskuh, does chrome work on jolla now?10:12
flanagfaenil: I think you just need the Google services10:13
veskuhfaenil, I have one real android device for testing10:13
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faenilflanag, I have gapps instaleld10:20
flanagfaenil, oh10:20
flanagI don't know what's wrong then10:20
faenilbut chrome never worked on jolla, it starts but doesn't load pages, there must be something else missing10:21
flanaghave you tried the new opera btw? it uses blink (chrome's engine), so it's very close if you can't get chrome working10:21
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faenilno haven't yet, I'll try it now thanks10:21
faenilnice, I think it's the smoothest I've tried on sailfish :)10:24
flanagmaybe I should try it too, I haven't yet :)10:24
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stephgbecause I'm an idiot is the meeting in 3 minutes or 63 minutes?13:57
SK_work15:00 UTC13:57
SK_workhttp://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=current+utc+time13:58
SK_workstephg: ^13:58
stephgthx SK_work13:58
ElleoSK_work: I'd be careful, that gives the wrong answer in its result field13:58
Elleoit's showing BST there13:59
Elleoinstead of UTC13:59
ElleoBST is UTC+113:59
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Elleoah actually, if you look at its interpretation of that query it's just doing it as "current time"13:59
SK_workElleo: it's not wrong, it shouldn't13:59
SK_workit shows your time and utc time as 2 clocks13:59
SK_workand do a conversion13:59
Elleoso it'll just show the local for whoever views it14:00
ggabrielSK_work: re your comment yesterday (xmpp server side history), I think it's a cool feature for corporate uses of xmpp14:00
SK_workggabriel: corporate use lync14:00
SK_work:P14:00
ggabrielnah14:00
ggabrielyou'd be surprised14:00
ggabrieli work for a fairly large software company and they use xmpp14:00
SK_workggabriel: true corporate use lync :D14:00
SK_workthe others use IRC :D14:00
SK_work(troll inside :))14:01
ggabrieland i used to work for a very small consultancy and they used xmpp _and_ irc14:01
ggabrieland they saved the history coz you could scope it per project14:01
ggabrieland have a nice history of requirements, customer problems, risks and so on14:01
ggabrielofc the conversations there weren't like the ones you'd have with your mates14:01
ggabrielbut it's nice that xmpp supports all that14:01
SK_workggabriel: agreed :)14:01
SK_work+114:01
ggabrielalso14:02
ggabrielyou could give external customers access to IM/IRC14:02
ggabrielwhich was very cool14:02
ggabrielwhen the engagement is over, they can't talk to you any more :)14:02
SK_worktoo bad :(14:02
SK_work:D14:02
ggabrielwhat a shame, give us more money :P14:02
ggabrielin the meantime, my android phone chose to reboot14:04
ggabrieland i can't even do the paper trick because the user can't replace the battery14:04
SK_workggabriel: you are fud-ing :D14:04
SK_workonly Jolla phone rebotos14:04
ggabrielsorry14:04
SK_work(troll inside)14:04
SK_work:D14:04
SK_work(sorry)14:04
ggabrielit's nice to point out the other side of the coin sometimes ;)14:04
SK_work:)14:05
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lbtPSA: community meeting in #mer-meeting15:01
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Sage_javispedro: just continuing here :)16:25
Sage_javispedro: each profile before it can be merged to final product in updates or so officially needs to be certified. https://www.bluetooth.org/en-us/test-qualification/product-development-overview/qualify-your-product16:28
javispedroWell, so far I think  most of existing profile support comes from16:29
javispedroeither bluez itself, which I hope would be "easy" to certify,16:29
Sage_you wish :)16:29
javispedroofono (which does have support for bluez5 already)16:29
* Sage_ smiles16:29
Sage_sry :)16:29
javispedroand a tangled mess of hastily interconnected programs for A2DP/HFP?16:30
Sage_I think jolla was the first one to certify ofono+bluez in general :)16:30
javispedroprobably true.16:30
javispedrowell, certainly true.16:30
javispedroI don't know of any other platform using ofono tbh.16:31
javispedro(does Intel do something?)16:31
Sage_also bluez 5 has not been certified by other than one entity (tizen iirc) and even that is done with very very small amount of profiles16:32
javispedroIn any case I don't know how much "influence" jolla has in ofono upstream, but I'd expect that bluez4 may limit future ability to upgrade16:32
javispedroto put it simply, bluez5 itself supports fewer profiles bluez4 did16:32
javispedrooffloading more of the work to other parts of the "love triangle" (e.g ofono or connman)16:32
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javispedroI'm not certain if bluez5 is the answer.16:33
javispedrowhich is why I didn't scream at the idea of bluedroid.16:33
Sage_would be nice if that bluetooth pts test suite would be free for everyone so that community could help on testing new profiles for example16:34
javispedrosad truth is that there'll also be a working qtbluetooth backend for bluedroid _before_ a bluez5 one16:34
javispedroin fact I think the bluedroid backend's already there.16:34
w00tjavispedro: the bluez5 backend work appears to be going quite well, fwiw16:35
w00tlots already merged (https://codereview.qt-project.org/#q,status:merged+project:qt/qtconnectivity,n,z), though a lot still ongoing (https://codereview.qt-project.org/#q,status:open+project:qt/qtconnectivity,n,z)16:36
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Stskeepswouldn't boot 2 qt or whatever it was called, strictly speaking need something like bluedroid / android HAL usage?16:36
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javispedrooh16:37
javispedrohttps://codereview.qt-project.org/#patch,sidebyside,68177,6,src/bluetooth/android/devicediscoverybroadcastreceiver.cpp16:37
javispedroseems that qtbluetooth for android actually targets Java API16:38
javispedronot HAL/bluedroid16:38
Stskeepsyeah, thought so16:38
Stskeepseither way the problem is that you still need a daemon of sorts on top16:38
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javispedrothis makes me lean more towards bluez516:40
w00tAard: so, followup is: qtbluetooth was first API-stable with qt 5.2, and bluez5 will keep the same API.. so I guess once we upgrade to 5.2, and have store support for OS versioned stuff, we can offer it? :)16:40
Stskeepsjavispedro: bluez5 .. with bluedroid backend?16:41
javispedrothat is crazy =)16:41
w00tso crazy it might just work!16:41
Aardw00t: if you didn't miss anything, yes16:41
Stskeepswe already have libhybris..16:41
Stskeeps:P16:41
Stskeepsthis is the crazy platform16:41
Stskeeps:16:41
javispedroStskeeps: well, bluez itself can implement the android Bluetooth HAL16:42
javispedroso that's how crazy it is =)16:42
w00tso we could have bluez implementing bluedroid implementing bluez?16:42
javispedroyes"!16:42
Stskeepsinsanity on intel platforms only..16:42
w00twhat was the saying.. no problem in computing can not be solved by adding another layer of indirection?16:42
javispedro:916:43
javispedrowell16:43
javispedrotruth is, were bluedroid to be used, bluedroid HAL API seems actually high-level enough to be directly usable, or with only qt inbetween16:43
AardStskeeps:  let's just ship with a usb hostmode adapter and usb bt dongle. then we can just use normal usb bt drivers, and we save the bt wlan coexistence issues at the same time16:43
javispedroprobably emulating bluez API on top of it would be crazier16:43
javispedro(kernel sockets, ugh)16:43
StskeepsAard: ah, the shenzhen method.. 3g tablet.. using usb otg dongle..16:44
javispedrofrom the producers of a "NFC other half" for a device that already has NFC...16:44
javispedrothe Bluetooth OH!16:44
javispedro(--applause--)16:45
Stskeepsjavispedro: don't give marketing ideas..16:45
Stskeeps;)16:45
w00tjavispedro: one of these days, we'll produce an OH that has a phone built in! :D16:45
ggabrielcan you share the recipe of that thing that you're drinking/eating?16:45
javispedroso, options..16:46
Stskeepsggabriel: there's this place nearby jolla offices called 'meritahti'..16:46
w00tLOL :D16:46
javispedroa) keep bluez4, use qtbl as 5.2, let's talk some other day of BLE16:46
Stskeepswasn't ble possible using crazy-ass system("gatttool") things?16:47
javispedrob) bluez5, backport bluetooth/* from modern kernel, use qtbl as of 5.3/5.4, pray to certification gods16:47
Aardit's fair to say without meritahti and amsterdam we wouldn't have shipped :p16:47
Stskeepsand the nepalese place16:47
ggabrielcool, i'll check it out, it has good reviews16:47
javispedroc) bluedroid, use qtbl bluedroid backend (5.3/5.4/?), reuse as much work as possible frm android (dunno what can be reused)16:48
Aardggabriel: steaks are great, burgers are great16:48
javispedrod) bluedroid, "bluez-bluedroid" translation layer, use qtbl bluez backend, reuse as much work as possible from current work16:48
javispedroe) invent new wireless communication standard based on meritahti16:48
Aardjavispedro: for d) the thing is that I don't want to be stuck with bluedroid16:49
javispedrodoes this cover all options?16:50
javispedroStskeeps: certainly ble is possible in bluez4, I am not sure of what are the limitations if any16:51
javispedrofwiw, <self-propaganda>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oD_lqNHes8 this stylus uses BLE</self-propaganda>16:51
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javispedroif the decision is made to get stuck with bluez4, implementing whatever API Qt decides for BLE on top of bluez4 is an option16:52
javispedrobut since Qt5.2 has no BLE API yet I have no idea16:52
Sage_Stskeeps: hah :D16:52
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javispedroso the question is16:53
Stskeepswell, strictly speaking the problem should rather be if qtbluetooth can switch backends modularly16:53
Stskeepsand apps keep working16:53
javispedrowhat is Mer going to do? what is Jolla going to do?16:53
faenilnepalese place! that was good :)16:53
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w00tStskeeps: pretty sure it can, I will check that part of things tomorrow16:54
Stskeepsjavispedro: a bullshit mer response is 'what makes technical sense and helps spread to many devices'.. it's not really fun to have something you can't run16:54
Stskeepson any hardware besides a intel pc16:54
javispedroI can't see how Bluez5 would break hw compatibility, but I can see how it would break support for every profile on earth.16:55
javispedrowell, apart from the ĂĽberoutdated kernel16:55
AardStskeeps: we should do something with j2ee services and xml apis between bluetooth stack and qtbluetooth, that's portable.16:55
Stskeepslet's boot up dalvik to serve bluetooth requets..16:55
Stskeeps+s16:55
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javispedroyeah, and then we can use the qtbluetooth java/android backend16:56
javispedroyou laugh now, but in a few iterations of libhybris..16:56
javispedro;P16:56
AardStskeeps: that's a good idea, we boot app dalvik, and in there we run a j2ee-server, and the qtbluetooth connects to that via a local virtual ethernet interface16:56
SK_workfaenil: nepalese +116:57
* javispedro makes mental note to look for differences in jolla kernel and 3.4 in bluetooth/*16:57
Aarduh, tampere already16:57
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javispedroso it's clear to me then for the near future the situation will look like16:58
javispedrobluez4 and qtbt 5.216:58
javispedrowith qtbt 5.2 approved for harbour apps16:59
Aardmost likely, yes16:59
javispedroI think it's reasonable and provides some leeway for future changes as long as Qt API is respected.16:59
javispedro(and solves problem 1 if you forget about BLE :) )16:59
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Stskeepsbluez4 wrapper for bluedroid for bluez4 incompatible devices?17:01
javispedrosome parts might be impossible to do17:03
Stskeepsany obvious problems17:03
Stskeeps?17:03
javispedrokernel sockets17:03
javispedroe.g. BTPROTO_*17:03
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javispedroI am still pondering how important supporting that is.17:04
javispedroe.g. https://github.com/enthought/qt-mobility/blob/master/src/connectivity/bluetooth/qrfcommserver_bluez.cpp#L11617:05
javispedroqt itself opens a listening RFCOMM socket by using listen() syscall17:05
Stskeepsok, and in bluedroid it'd be:17:06
Stskeeps   47     bt_status_t (*listen)(btsock_type_t type, const char* service_name, const uint8_t* service_uuid, int channel, int* sock_fd, int flags);17:06
javispedrohttps://source.android.com/devices/reference/bt__sock_8h_source.html17:06
javispedroyep17:06
javispedroI am yet to see any bluedroid platform to see how broken it is17:07
javispedromaybe opening sockets that way works if they didn't mess too much with the kernel.17:07
javispedroprobably NOT if the driver is userspace and propietary though.17:07
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javispedroStskeeps: so unless you think of a magic way to emulate those listen() calls it may be harder than what I thought17:14
* javispedro googles meritahti17:18
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javispedrooh, it's a restaurant.17:18
javispedrofor some reason I was thinking on that weird finnish candy17:18
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Aardjavispedro: salmiakki?17:21
javispedroyep17:21
javispedrothanks :)17:21
Aardjavispedro: http://www.pirkka.fi/sites/default/files/styles/max_width_800/public/products/marsu_58654_2_jpg.jpg17:23
Aardor http://www.rainbow.fi/typo3temp/pics/0f4d254a17.jpg17:24
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javispedrowhat wikipedia calls "salty liquorice" is what I've never tried17:25
javispedro"non-salty" liquorice :) is known here as regaliz17:26
Aardthis one is sweat licorice sauce, to put over icecream, or make milkshakes, or...17:26
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kimmoliomnom salmiakkia17:54
Quuwat17:54
Quumarsu? lakritsi-kastike? :D17:54
flanagI was looking at that filename too17:55
AardQuu: they make it out of the droppings from them :p17:56
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* kimmoli wonders how they get from BT to laktriskastike17:57
javispedromust be true that RF causes brain cancer ;)17:59
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fk_lx_Jolla unhealthy practice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE&t=17m38s18:15
Morpog_PC___Didn't you want to leave our community?18:16
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fk_lx_Morpog_PC___: I left community, but that doesn't mean automatically leaving channels and staying silent18:17
fk_lx_simple as that18:17
Morpog_PC___Well, I hoped so.18:18
fk_lx_I not feel a part of community anymore18:18
Morpog_PC___healthier for everyone and less annoying18:18
fk_lx_Morpog_PC___: and I thought you are reasonable guy18:18
fk_lx_but with discrimination is like with hunger, full won't understand the hungry one18:19
fk_lx_anyway thanks for talking18:19
fk_lx_bye :)18:19
Morpog_PC___I just don't see the point to stay at a place which you don't like18:19
Morpog_PC___bye18:19
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fk_lx_Morpog_PC___: to monitor what is happening and if there aren't any threats etc.18:19
fk_lx_now bye18:20
Morpog_PC___see, so not healthy for you then18:20
Morpog_PC___bye18:20
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ln-it also seems to go on twitter18:24
ln-+on18:24
Stskeepsso, i think this might be a good time to talk about irc guidelines.. this is not an official jolla irc channel; but one for the community to talk more or less freely, but in any channel or community there needs to be a framework for dealing with misbehaviour18:24
Stskeepsover in #mer we have https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines which is ~= old meego guidelines which is probably based on god knows what18:24
Stskeepsand it's a bit unclear who would be complained to18:24
Stskeepsso i'm pondering if we should start collecting volunteers to have ops in this channel18:25
Stskeepsit's me, jope, iekku, w00t, aard   ..18:25
Stskeepscurrently, which is admittedly a bit much on the jolla controlling side of things :)18:26
* Morpog_PC___ still reads guidelines18:26
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javispedroI know that you dislike this story, but it's not like there are biweekly troll attacks18:26
javispedroI have this feeling a shitload a useless paperwork is going to be generated for what's still a somewhat minor reason.18:26
Stskeepstrue18:27
Morpog_PC___sure javispedro18:27
suywe should start /ignore'ing, I suppose18:27
Morpog_PC___but if it happens you can point to the guidelines and so nobody can acuse you for abusing your powers18:27
Stskeepsyou might argue that all irc guidelines comes down to 'use pastie' and 'don't be a jerk' ;)18:28
ln-Morpog_PC___: somebody can18:28
iekkui would get some active community members as ops too18:28
iekkuvoted ones18:29
Morpog_PC___+1 iekku18:29
Stskeepsthough we don't really have a mailing list to organize on, either18:29
Stskeepstogether.* miiight apply, but..18:29
Morpog_PC___it's unnoficial18:30
Stskeeps(me and iekku are founders here, fwiw)18:30
iekku:)18:30
Morpog_PC___yeah, but with jolla hat off i guess18:31
iekkuyes18:31
Stskeepsi'm wearing a nice headset, no space for hat18:31
iekkuif not stated that this is official18:31
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iekkuwhich haven't ever happened18:31
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Morpog_PC___maybe add mer irc guidelines to channel topic, or welcome message?18:32
iekku+118:32
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Stskeepswell, let's let it simmer a bit and perhaps speak about it again tomorrow18:35
ShadowJKaw, my scrollback doesn't go far enough18:35
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Morpog_PC___there are logs ShadowJK18:35
Morpog_PC___http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/index.html18:36
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ShadowJKoh wow, how many weeks back do I have to look :D18:41
javispedroas many as you have time for18:43
javispedroalternatively just 40ish minutes will do :)18:44
iekku:D18:44
kimmoliStskeeps: what's up doc? how is my head today?18:44
w00tkimmoli: the sky's up :)18:45
javispedroon my desktop at least, my global menu bar is up.18:46
Stskeepskimmoli: i don't know, but i would like to sell you a http://www.choosemuse.com/18:46
ShadowJK40 minutes did not provide enlightenment :)18:46
javispedrooutside the lcd screen, the so-called real world is too dark to be seen18:46
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javispedroStskeeps: really hovered my mouse over the "buy" link for a looong time when they were up in indiegogo18:47
javispedro(eventually decided not to, though)18:47
javispedro(mostly because I won't be able to fit that band along the occulus rift) =)18:48
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kimmoliStskeeps: is that better than having reconciliation sex ?18:49
kimmoli(as my neighbours seems to do atm)18:49
AL13Ndoes anyone know what these beep tones are that you when placing a call?18:49
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kimmolidialtones ?18:50
javispedrothe emulated dtmf maybe?18:50
AL13Nyou know when you place a call, and before it's ringing there's a few beeps18:50
AL13Noften i hear 3 beeps18:50
Nightmare__nsa dialing in?18:51
AL13Nor is it after ringing?18:51
AL13Nhmm18:51
javispedrointerference by solar flares?18:51
AL13Nbefore ringing18:51
AL13Nok, so noone else has this?18:51
Nightmare__never heared those beeps18:51
kimmoliwhat operator?18:51
AL13Nso it's provider related then,18:51
AL13Nok18:51
AL13Nmobile vikings18:51
AL13Nin .be18:51
AL13Nhmm18:52
AL13Ni see "mnp beep" being mentioned18:52
AL13NThe MNP beep is a feature designed to know if the number you’re trying to reach is from another network or not.18:53
kimmolihmmm, this reminds me that Jolla does not recognize if called number is busy...18:54
kimmolishould it?18:54
kimmoliN9 did nice work on that, suggested redial after some time18:54
AL13N"Mobile Number Portability" beep18:54
javispedroone of the most useless wikipedia videos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DTMF_dialing.ogg =)18:54
AL13Nkimmoli: what when people have 2 possible lines?18:54
kimmoli?18:55
ln-do americans *really* have modern cell phones that dial with audible dtmf? (as it happens in tv series and movies)18:56
AL13Nmy jolla has audible dtmf18:56
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AL13Nbtw: i noticed there's a mobile vikings app now18:57
AL13Nlol18:57
kimmoliah, this was my fav app on N9, http://n9-apps.com/rotary-dialer18:57
ln-i mean, when you select a name from the phonebook and call him/her, there's no audible dialing of that number in real life.18:57
kimmolimaybe they need to hear that.. it does not happen if you dont hear it18:58
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kimmoliOT: ok, so who will buy me a pair of tights ? http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/oulu/saaskikesan-pelastus-sukkahousut-ja-tuuletin/632213/19:00
mikmado they need to be used?19:00
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kimmolii think un-used are cheaper, at least in japanese markets19:02
Nightmare__price depends on who used them :D19:02
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ShadowJKmy Jolla seems much happier with my new access point19:48
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HtheBdoes anyone know if Jolla can join adhoc networks?19:53
HtheBI cant find my hotspot that I've created with my N919:53
Stskeepsit can't19:53
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HtheBwhy not? :(19:56
HtheBpatent?19:56
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ln-adhoc networks discriminate jolla, that must be it19:56
Stskeepsno, just .. connman19:56
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HtheBlimited?19:57
HtheBwhat about in the future Stskeeps ?19:57
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Stskeepsnot likely to happen19:58
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HtheB:(19:58
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Nightmare__imho connman has "some" space for improvements20:21
chem|stHtheB: does adhoc by hand work?20:22
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walokraiekku: in mer-meeting minutes you wrote "current ETA for stats in harbour is june". was other harbour features discussed? like comments etc.20:23
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stephgwalokra: iirc it was payments20:24
stephgthe logs are online, one second please caller...20:24
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walokrayep, I red the notes (http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-27-15.00.html)20:24
HtheBchem|st: what do you mean?20:25
HtheBmanually entering information?20:25
HtheBhaven't tried that out to be honest20:26
stephgwalokra: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-27-15.00.log.html from 16:28 onwards20:27
stephgbut H2 for payments she said20:28
walokrastephg: yep20:28
HtheBpaid apps in store?20:28
HtheBabout time I guess20:29
kimmolithere was "big" maybe there20:29
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stephgkimmoli: loving the picture20:30
stephgbut it looks like someone has hit you in the face20:30
stephg;)20:30
kimmolime?20:31
stephgja!20:31
stephgles twatteurs!20:31
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kimmolibetter now?20:34
kimmoli:)20:34
stephghehehehehe20:34
stephg*very* happy!20:34
kimmolimean it was not selfie, this is selfie20:34
kimmolipaintsie :)20:34
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* javispedro watches the "nokia car phone" scene in star trek 11 20:41
javispedrototally accurate prediction20:42
javispedroand the film is from 2009..20:42
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ShadowJKLooks kinda weird today :-)20:46
javispedrolooks exactly like pan am in 2001, except with more lens flare and less science20:48
ShadowJKPan Am is in so many movies, it was only recently that I was convinced it doesn't exist20:50
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pdanekhttp://youtu.be/Z7dLU6fk9QY20:51
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