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Stskeepsgood morning world04:19
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covoxhi everybody06:06
Stskeepsmorn covox06:06
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faenilmorning o/08:12
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Sail0rhm truecrypt doomed08:14
Sail0rhttps://gist.github.com/ValdikSS/c13a82ca4a2d8b7e87ff08:14
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dr_gogeta86good morning guys especially I hope for Stskeeps08:16
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ggabrielSail0r: time to use luks08:17
Sail0rhehe yes :) I am already using luks ;)08:18
ggabrieli use both, lazy to migrate08:18
ggabrielbut i guess the time has come08:18
Sail0rbut now the people maybe stop asking to bring truecrypt to Sailfish ;)08:18
ggabrielaccording to ars, it appears that the true motivator was win xp08:19
ggabrielwhich is fair enough08:19
ggabrieltrouble with linux is that you need root/sudo to mount encrypted partitions08:20
Sail0rit's a great time for conspiracy theory lovers08:21
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ggabrieltruecrypt no longer secure because snowden!!!08:24
Sail0rhehe08:25
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dr_gogeta86And I'm crying10:10
dr_gogeta86https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10365994_504290206343456_2268778368970537889_n.jpg10:10
VDVsxwhat's inside ? :D10:11
_Razor_don't open10:11
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dr_gogeta861+es10:12
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dr_gogeta86https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/behind-the-scenes-invites-are-coming.21563/10:13
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Stskeepsdr_gogeta86: i'm okay, thanks for asking11:34
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slategood old irssi-phone n950 <312:35
slatecant figure out any other use12:35
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faenilslate, nemomobile :p12:37
locusfyeah glacier needs devel and graphics help :)12:38
slatehmm, could install and look in to it. graphics are my thing12:40
locusfyay12:41
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dr_gogeta86but run glacier on sailfish16:01
dr_gogeta86?16:01
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locusfdr_gogeta86: its possible16:04
dr_gogeta86how ?16:04
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dr_gogeta86or how to compile16:04
locusfon Sailfish SDK16:05
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Morpog_PCnice wrap up about the jolla device and sailfishos by @wwwramothde http://t.co/c68eVrtt0217:52
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tango_showed the jolla to a friend of mine, complaied about a lack of a missing universal pinch-to-zoom gesture like mac os x (blows up the text ot make it easier to read when your eyes aren't that good)18:15
Stskeepsgot a video for that on a mobile?18:16
Stskeepsit should be possible to have something that increases font size18:16
Nicd-on OS X it just zooms in the rasterized version18:16
Nicd-so no vector zoom, it pixelates18:16
tango_Nicd-: well, on jolla it should be possible to do it even better (opengl zoom)18:17
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phakoopengl doesn't solve all problems out there18:32
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phakoMaybe OpenGL 4.2 is18:35
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Yanieldream on18:41
Yanielwe don't even have GL ES 3.0 yet18:41
Stskeepswell, not on jolla18:42
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Jupp3tango_: Most programs that draw text with OpenGL probably draw it as textures at "native" size19:13
Jupp3Of course you could render it bigger-than-needed, and as default, render it smaller. Then it wouldn't go blocky immediately (of course there's smoothing)19:14
Yanielthere are also signed distance fields19:16
Yanielwhich scale up pretty well but are more complex to generate19:17
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pdanekIs Jolla going to make any announcement soon?20:44
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pdanekIt's been a while since they have spoken out.20:44
tbrabout?20:46
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faenilpdanek, Jolla has this "habit" of keeping quiet about things :P20:47
szopin_sailinganyone seen dirkvl?20:47
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ShadowJKThere's some article about june update on tjc20:51
faenilpdanek, https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/20:52
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pdanekNo one has spoken of keyboard halfs yet?20:54
faenilpdanek, nothing official afaik20:55
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M4rtinKa mass produced keyboard would be nice :)20:57
M4rtinKwell, actually any official TOH that is not just a piece of plastic would :)20:58
szopin_sailingwith more jollas sold every day it is an investment that at some point will be profitable20:59
szopin_sailingfor the time being following the tohkb2 maybe thread on tmo is the best option21:00
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pdanekszopin_sailing: someone is working on tohkb2? I've got tohkb1, it's "OK", but just a prototype. :/21:15
faenilpdanek, just asking, did you guys think about having it printed by shapeways?21:16
pdanekfaenil: 3D printing is not an issue, but making the whole thing21:17
faenilpdanek, of course, but since the pcb is tehre already21:17
faenilwhat's bad in the tohkb1?21:17
faenilI guess the print quality, or am I wrong?21:17
faenilor is it the sliding mechanism?21:18
pdanekthe whole thing, is clearly a prototype :)21:18
pdaneknot so good for daily use21:18
faenilwhy21:19
pdaneksliding is prototype feel, 3d model is very rough plastic, i's very bulky, the keyboard is not the best21:19
pdanekit's just "OK"21:19
pdanekN900 keyboard experience was 3x as good21:19
pdanektohkb1 is only little bit better than no keybard21:19
faenilhehe21:20
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mdxthscientific calculator TOH would be nice :)21:24
dunptiemu pls :)21:26
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pdanekBtw, I still find N900 better than Jolla.21:28
pdanekEven today. :)21:28
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dunpi like n900 it best phone ever oly more ram and beter cpu..21:28
pdanekdunp: so you're saving for Neo900 then? :D21:29
Hartzibigger screen, capasitive screen, better camera, better usb port construction... :P21:30
dunplighter?21:30
Hartziimproved OS and so on21:30
dunpopenhardware? own custom os?21:31
dunpext to run any linux on it21:31
pdanekHartzi: when virtual keyboard takes 60% of your screen, then you don't really have bigger screen and better camera? not really, and resistive screen is N900 is superior to capatitive ones21:32
faidenWhy is the sensor infront of the phone flashing?21:32
M4rtinKwell, the resisitive screen on the N900 is much more accurate than any capacitive screen I've seen21:32
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faenilfaiden, it's normal, and you can only see it when recording videos21:33
faidenyes, I'm just curious what it is and what it does21:33
Hartzipdanek: maybe, but 3,5" is not still enough21:33
faenilnot sure if it's the proximity or light sensor21:34
faenilone of the two21:34
faidenhmm as long as it's not recording me21:34
faenillol21:34
pdanekM4rtinK: agree, web browsing with N900 screen is amazing21:34
faenilwell it's always on, because it's used for stuff like locking the phone when you put it in the pocket21:34
faidenbut tnx faenil21:34
pdanekHartzi: just question, have you owned N900 please? :O21:34
faenilnp21:34
faenilgood night people!21:35
faidennn21:35
Hartzipdanek: I still have21:35
pdanekHartzi: cool21:35
Hartzibut not in daily use anymore21:35
M4rtinKit is also good for OSM surveying with osm2go21:36
M4rtinKnot really doable at all with capacitive screen21:36
M4rtinKnight :)21:36
pdanekI'm trying to figure out, which OS is technically most developed of all.21:37
pdanekAs of today. :)21:37
pdanekRegardless if it's open source or not.21:37
pdanekDo you think BB10?21:37
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M4rtinKwell, I don't think it is this easy21:38
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M4rtinKeach of them sucks big time in some regard :)21:38
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pdanekI was never BB10 user, but I played with it for 5 minutes on airport and it seemed just amazingly good, even so much better than Jolla experience.21:40
M4rtinKyeah, it is not that bad21:40
M4rtinKand you really see how much money they dumped into it21:40
pdanekAnd I hate using Android, it's just so "dumb phone" feel on Android.21:40
pdaneknot a computer like feel on Android21:40
M4rtinKon the other hand it is very very embedded21:40
M4rtinKwell, Android is much more "computer like" than BB1021:41
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M4rtinKmuch less locked down21:41
M4rtinKusually has usable shell21:41
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M4rtinKand no crazy background task limitations like on BB1021:42
M4rtinKand you don't need to have a signing token from blackberry to take a leak21:42
M4rtinK(well, to run software on your own device)21:43
stephggnight folks, catch you in the morning21:44
M4rtinKalso, IIRC it is still using the Qt4 based Frankenstein called Cascades21:44
M4rtinKand if you want Qt 5, you need to bundle it in your package21:44
M4rtinKbut on the other hand, from user perspective it is rellatively nice and reportedly the keyboard integration on the Q10 is good :)21:45
pdanekhumm21:45
M4rtinKalso it should be possible to write Qt 5/Python 3 applications for BB10 :)21:46
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