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faidenDoes jolla have any adblock software, then again I guess jolla apps dont carry comercial =D13:12
Stskeepsi thought some people used adblock as an extension to the browser13:13
phdeswerI vaguely remember an howto somewhere to do so13:13
faidenahh good to know13:14
coderushosts script for blocking ads working on any linux :)13:14
faidenI really enjoy that you can have openvpn on the phone =D13:14
faidenAm i stick with nemo as the user or can i change that thou?13:15
faidenstuck*13:15
ponkyisn't there an openvpn app for almost any phone?13:15
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faidenCould be true, but I enjoy my cli13:16
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coderusfaiden: you shoudnt change user on embedded systems :)13:17
faidenYea i reckoned as much ;)13:17
faidencan't wait to ssh to my phone13:17
coderus:)13:18
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Morpog_PC__using hosts file here to block ads13:20
faidenHave you subscribed to a list Morpog_PC__ ?13:20
Morpog_PC__nah, copy+paste13:21
faidenic13:21
dr_gogeta86http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.txt13:22
dr_gogeta86like this ?13:22
phdeswerSomething like that works pretty well yes13:22
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faidenTime to find a updated site to get my list from!13:24
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Sailor8545Are Jolla devs losing their enthusiasm? The hype faded and nobody out of Linux community have evvr heard of Jolla.14:50
Stskeepsdo you have numbers to prove that? :P14:50
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Sailor8545nope14:51
SK_workSailor8545: truth is that you have hype during device release14:52
SK_workafterward, hype goes down14:52
SK_workdoesn't mean Jolla community is not active14:53
faenil+114:53
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NavThe number of updates I keep getting to various installed apps would seem to indicate that the community is rather busy :-)14:54
Nav(Plenty of new apps to choose from too)14:55
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sledgesspread the <3 http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R1RAUTGPTT14AP/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00HJA7A3Y15:21
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Nicd-quite similar to how I feel15:23
sledgesanother review similar too15:24
ggabrielthe jolla is awesome15:24
ggabrieli got to use the multitasking view the other day "for the first time"15:25
pp4G (week or few) and slightly more robust calendar and I'm happy15:25
ggabrielwell, the cover actions acdtually15:25
ggabrieland i thought "oh, actually, this is very cool"15:25
sledgeswe all are here for that reason ;) when you feel jolla is ready to your friends - give them this link of independent reviews (ofcourse, for different people, jolla will be come ready at different times in future, but it will!)15:27
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Morpog_PC__ah, I guess for non geeky friends sailfishos needs a few more updates sledges ;)15:28
sledgesbut that's why i pasted exactly this review from a non-geek15:29
Morpog_PC__still, I can impress them often with stuff that only my Jolla does ;)15:29
sledgesall of our geekiness levels differ ;)15:29
sledgesyup, we need to gauge our friends well :))15:29
AcceJolla's new ad slogan "All of your geek are belong to us"15:30
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Quui do like the phone very much currently15:34
Quuafter the "paper fix" :)15:34
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faenilMorpog_PC__, "impress them with something that only my Jolla does" in my case usually results in showing red/green led blinking :D15:35
faenil"does your device do that?" :P15:36
Stskeepsfaenil: i've heard rumours that apple has the same insane homescreen setup as we do..15:36
faenilStskeeps, then they must be hyper-cool to prevent all the crashes15:36
Stskeepsthey don't15:36
faenildon't they? never heard of any crash :/15:37
StskeepsiOS 7.1 also fixed the bug that caused crashes of the home screen, Apple said. That bug has plagued users since September, and in January the Cupertino, Calif. company promised a fix was coming.15:37
Stskeepsthis being in march15:37
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faenil"the" bug :D15:38
Morpog_PC__faenil, erm, red or green blinking are somehow not that impressing :)15:38
faenilMorpog_PC__, aren't they? crap :( that's why they weren't impressed :(15:38
faenil:D15:38
Stskeepswe should really have made it seem more like device panicing15:39
Morpog_PC__haven't had green blinking for a month or so15:39
faenilStskeeps, ahah15:39
Stskeepsbacklight flickering rapidily; LED going red blinking; and speech output "OH MY GOD OH MY GOD"15:39
Morpog_PC__and red not for a long time, expecially since the paper trick15:39
faenilStskeeps, that sounds creepy, I WANT IT!15:39
Morpog_PC__Stskeeps, yep, that would have clearly impressed my friends :D15:39
Quulol15:40
faenilMorpog_PC__, cool, I have it almost daily15:40
Quuthats awesome15:40
faenilI'm startin to hate it :P15:40
Morpog_PC__oooh, sounds bad faenil15:40
Morpog_PC__tried the paper trick?15:40
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M4rtinKwould be easy to do with espeak :)15:41
faenilMorpog_PC__, I don't have reboot/shutdowns15:41
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Morpog_PC__ah, so onloy green ones15:42
Morpog_PC__only15:42
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faenilMorpog_PC__, red ones as well...15:44
faenilred blinking doesn't mean reboot15:44
Morpog_PC__mmmh, never had red ones without rebooting15:44
faenilit's just the phone bleeding15:44
faenilMorpog_PC__, ah I see15:44
Morpog_PC__or maybe i rebooted then :D15:44
faenilheheh15:44
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parasemicare any offline map apps working and if yes, what is prefered?16:16
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SK_workparasemic: there are a few android apps (IIRc)16:18
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Turskinot probably jolla specific question, but how am i supposed to access my own store in aptoide from the application?16:19
ggabrielparasemic: i'm kinda testing modrana16:20
Turskii've loggen in but can't find the store16:20
ggabriel(modrana is in openrepos)16:20
NavSK_work: osmand works quite well (but is a droid app)16:21
* Nav hopes we'll get a native OSM editor eventually16:21
SK_workNav: /me hopes for a native OSM navigation app16:21
NavThat'd be nice too16:22
SK_workmodrana is pretty close, but rendering maps on device is hard :(16:22
M4rtinKyeah, I'd like to support offline map rendering in modRana eventually16:23
M4rtinKbut it is indeed hard16:23
Navmodrana is tile based though - so could potentially use massive amounts of storage16:23
M4rtinKnot only the rendering itself16:23
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M4rtinKbut preparing the data for the rendering and distributing them16:23
M4rtinKso not only the rendering code is needed, but also a tool for converting OSM data to a suitable format and a way of getting them to the device16:24
M4rtinKdoable, but not easy :)16:25
M4rtinKNav: well, it is usually not that bad :) and we finally have a filesystem with much better small file handling16:25
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M4rtinKNav: so the many thousand map tiles should no longer have such a big overhead as on the FAT32 MyDocs partition on the N90016:26
jabishave yo ulooked at leafletjs?16:28
M4rtinKisn't that just another Javascript map framework for web applications ?16:30
M4rtinKlike Open Layers ?16:30
StskeepsKhertanAtwork: 10 bucks on dbus machine id?16:32
parasemicwell i just need offline maps for a trip abroad, so what would you suggest? droid apps are fine16:33
Navparasemic: osmand16:34
parasemicok, ill try it16:34
parasemicthanks16:34
Navthe free version will probably be fine16:34
Plntparasemic: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator16:35
Plntparasemic: free with car navigation using openstreetmap16:36
parasemicim not sure i need navigation, i dont have a car to drive there ^^ but i'll try that just out of curiousity16:36
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faenilparasemic, sygic on android has free offline maps16:39
faenilshould be more reliable :P16:39
jabisM4rtinK: phantom+leaflet to generate a cache, and Qt to tie it together - would be my approach16:39
faenilthe free version doesn't have guided navigation, but it seems you don't need it16:39
faenil*voice* guide, I meant16:39
faenilI'm installing it now :)16:40
parasemicfaenil, yeah im fine with just basic maps :) going to berlin for a little clubbing, so ill be using public transports mostly16:40
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faenilI heard germany is quite well covered by OSM, but I guess sygic is more reliable16:41
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Navfaenil: The german mappers do have a bit of a reputation :-)16:42
faenil:)16:42
NavThey seem to like days out at the zoo mapping animals16:43
NavBecause there's nothing else left to map :-)16:43
faenillol16:43
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faenilI tried it in italy 2years ago, it didn't know any streetname16:44
Navhttp://osm.org/go/0MZu2_4sR- - exhibit A, Berlin Zoo16:45
faenilahahah holy crap16:45
faenilthe situation in my town is quite bad :(16:46
NavThere's a solution to that ;-)16:47
faenilyeah...the time generator! o/16:47
NavYeah, I need one of those too.16:47
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NavA few years back I was walking 40 miles a week mapping for OSM16:48
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NavI get a lot less editing done now16:48
faenilahah16:48
faenilmm alright16:49
faenildalvik crashed while downloading Sygic maps16:49
faenilwhy...why :(16:49
NavI used to have problems with it hanging after installing apps from amazon. The most recent update appears to have fixed that though.16:50
faenilyeah in that case it wasn't freezing16:50
M4rtinKwell, a German guy at SotMEU 2011 was already saying "there is nothing to map 100 km from my house!" :)16:50
faenilyou just had to click the back button ;)16:50
M4rtinKNav: regarding tile preloading - modRana already has support for batch tile download, it is just not yet exposed in the Qt 5 GUI16:51
NavM4rtinK: When it got to the point I was spending more time travelling to a new area to map than I was mapping I knew I needed to find something different to do :-)16:51
NavI ended up just adding more and more detail to my local area16:51
NavM4rtinK: Batch tile downloads need to be done very carefully - it will get you blocked16:52
M4rtinKwell, you can always help by tracing the satellite and Catastr data :)16:52
NavOr even the app blocked if people abuse it16:52
M4rtinKNav: yeah, depends on the tile provider16:52
M4rtinKNav: best to setup your own tileserver for that16:52
M4rtinKisn't that hard anymore16:52
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NavIf anyone is working on any map/geo apps then I'll happily beta test :-)16:54
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M4rtinKNav: modRana is already on OpenRepos16:56
M4rtinKand there are a few other navigation apps there16:56
QuuM4rtinK: btw, any news on modrana updates? :)16:56
M4rtinKAnd BasilSemuonov seems to be also working on something :)16:56
M4rtinKQuu: I was rather busy the last few weeks but I'm slowly getting back to modRana development :)16:57
Quunice nice16:57
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NavM4rtinK: already got modrana, poormaps, osmapper, maep, orienteering compass16:59
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BasilSemuonovM4rtinK, :)17:01
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jabisNav likes his maps ^^17:11
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Navjabis: correct :-)17:12
SK_workM4rtinK: :):)17:13
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pdanekJolla 2! The hype!18:04
PeperJohnnyLink?18:04
pdanekI mean, I want to start the hype, nothing announced. :D18:04
PeperJohnnyAh ok :D18:05
faenil:D18:09
keithzg_I hear it'll support AWS 3G!18:12
* keithzg_ goes and cries in a corner18:12
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ln-Jolla 2, 4K screen, 5.1 surround sound, Symbian with emulation for Sailfish!18:25
Yanielsymbian? please no18:26
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coderussymbian... say hello to descriptors and traps :D18:30
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Yanielsymbian itself is a trap18:32
dunpsailfish and any emulation..18:32
dunpqemu realtime at realtime emulation18:33
pdanekor!18:33
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pdanekSailfish can start emulating BB10 which will be further emulating Android!18:34
dunpjust real linux support and gentoo like support for sources.. :)18:34
Stskeepswindows xp on jolla mobile18:35
dunponly in emulation..18:35
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dunpvirtualmasine kvm support to phone pls :)18:36
pdanekOS/360 revival on Jolla 2!18:38
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walokraiOS 8 is switching to Sailfish OS. or at least the pics looks like that :)18:52
Stskeepswell, that's a fan mockup18:53
mikmastskeeps: you currently live in poland?18:53
Stskeepsyes\18:53
Stskeepsi think that's quite clear to everybody currently.. :P18:54
mikmastskeeps: ok, well you've surely have read the latest and greatest "open letter"?18:54
walokrait's interesting to see how iOS is going to reinvent itself. been stagnant and now bigger screen, active covers etc. like that wp8 and sailfishos has18:54
Stskeepsmikma: yes, i have, but, for various good reasons i'm not going to be commenting on it, i've said what i had to say about this18:55
mikmastskeeps: please don't. i only wanted to be sure that you know about it.18:55
Stskeeps:nod:18:55
Stskeepsi'm however up for making a youtube series to show everybody that i have about as much strength as a small ant through arm wrestling18:56
Stskeeps:P18:56
Stskeeps<- harmless18:56
* w00t has some funny mental images now18:56
mikmastskeeps: so basicly you are not up for a regular finnish sauna evening, because you know, wrestling naked etc18:57
w00tthey just got worse18:57
Stskeepsi'm perfectly fine with sauna, but have not gotten into naked wrestling just yet18:57
Stskeepsi watched this documentary about finnish startup culture called RIOT-ON recently though and i think it was mentioned18:57
mikmaHAH! thats so legendary documentary18:57
mikmaw00t: you need to add snow into those images18:59
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kimmoli_sailingsepelipaini !!19:02
mikmanot bad19:03
tbranybody interested in trying out samba (server) on their jolla?19:03
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kimmoli_sailingyes19:06
kimmoli_sailingtbr i can try19:06
thedead1440Stskeeps: how come you keep watching that documentary recently always? you recommended it to me >a year ago and you are still watching it? :P19:06
Stskeepsthedead1440: well19:06
Stskeepsit's a kind of tradition we have19:06
thedead1440to keep watching failures?19:06
tbrkimmoli_sailing: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/tbr:/branches:/kde:/stable:/mw/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/19:07
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tbrkimmoli_sailing: it's packages that were flying around on OBS already. But I'd expect it to "just work".19:08
tbrofc you still need to define a shared19:08
kimmoli_sailingi will check in 5... i can " safely" add that as repo?19:09
tbrit's completely untested, but should be safe19:09
tbryou don't have to if you're concerned19:10
kimmoli_sailingi have backup phone19:10
tbrif this stuff basically works I can look into how this could be plugged into a USB profile for the jolla19:11
tbras in, you plug in USB, it starts samba and gives you a network connection, just like for developer mode19:11
tbrthat might apeal to some people who dislike MTP19:12
tbrofc some will demand nfs-kernel-server instead...19:13
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M4rtinKtbr: that's basically what BB10 has19:16
M4rtinKtbr: and it indeed works nice19:17
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kimmoli_blahtbr: got bigger screen now, difficult to irc on jolla and hack at the same time :)19:20
tbr:)19:20
tbrM4rtinK: yes, and BB wasn't even the first19:21
kimmoli_blahtbr: ok, ssu'ed your repo, which pkg, samba-client ?19:21
M4rtinKI also have samba on my Android running TouchPad :)19:21
Stskeepsi should really install kitkat on my touchpad..19:22
tbrkimmoli_blah: there should be a samba server19:22
kimmoli_blahnope19:22
pdanekWhy there are no paid apps in Jolla store?19:23
tbrsimply named "samba"19:23
kimmoli_blahaa, ok19:23
kimmoli_blahtbr: http://pastebin.com/S83kTfUY19:23
tbrpdanek: because payment processing is hard?19:23
pdanektbr: You mean there is no support for paid apps?19:23
kimmoli_blahtbr Fatal error: nothing provides logrotate >= 3.4 needed by samba-3.5.9-10.3.1.jolla.armv7hl19:23
tbrkimmoli_blah: duh, ok, so I only fixed build time deps :/19:23
tbrkimmoli_blah: I'll try tomorrow with my jolla when it's fully charged again19:24
tbrthere might be others too19:24
kimmoli_blahsamba-client did look better though19:24
kimmoli_blahhttp://pastebin.com/SG7JkHP519:25
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M4rtinKwhat about NFS & iSCSI ? :)19:25
tbrM4rtinK: screw those, we'll go directly to RDMA19:26
StskeepsATA over Ethernet.19:26
M4rtinKFCoE ? :)19:26
tbrkimmoli_blah: ok, might just be logrotate then, although it might also barf on missing syslog19:26
tbrFCoWiFi19:26
pdanek"Our current target is to provide you the monetizing possibility durign the 2nd half of  2014."19:27
tbrand to please the obscure brigade we might also stop by SNA19:27
StskeepsiSCSI .. wrapped in OpenVPN19:27
pdanekI see, although that's very late. That's not how ecosystem is built, is it?19:28
tbrStskeeps: iscsi over TOR19:28
M4rtinKwell, one can do some crazy stuff19:28
kimmoli_blahhoo Domain=[OLO] OS=[Windows 7 Home Premium 7601 Service Pack 1] Server=[Windows 7 Home Premium 6.1]19:29
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M4rtinKlike creating a compressed zram block device in RAM, exporting it with iSCSI to another machine and there making a LUKS on it, on the luks making a LVM and there on a LV creating a btrfs filesystem :)19:30
M4rtinKall that is theoretically doable :) not a very good idea though19:30
kimmoli_blahtbr: smbmount missing there19:31
tbrkimmoli_blah: yeah, wasn't looking at client stuff, wanted to get the server running19:32
kimmoli_blahbut the client seems to work ok..19:33
tbrI'm rebuilding the samba package with logrotate dependency removed19:33
tbrfor testing we don't have to care19:34
kimmoli_blahbut... hmm... the smbmount could make my life easier @work with all those windows servers ... :)19:35
AL13NM4rtinK: in gods name... why???19:37
M4rtinKAL13N: why not ? :)19:37
tbrkimmoli_blah: we can make that work too19:37
Stskeepsbtw tbr, how did the usb hacking go?19:37
kimmoli_blahi586 completed.19:37
tbrStskeeps: good news: the OTG state machine is in the kernel, bad news: the OTG state machine is in the kernel19:38
kimmoli_blahrefreshing19:38
M4rtinKona a more serious note, I would really like to see support for more advanced storage technologies on Sailfish19:38
M4rtinKat least XFS19:38
AL13Nnah19:38
M4rtinKand LVM would be also nice19:38
AL13Nwho needs xfs and lvm if you have btrfs19:39
tbrStskeeps: basically we spent combing through the code to figure out where to short circuit it and how, so it would end up in exactly one state that we want, instead one of the 10 other possible states19:39
M4rtinKwell, after learning a bit more about storage recently19:39
AL13NM4rtinK: i split up my sdcard with quota subvolumes using btrfs19:39
kimmoli_blahtbr: started to install packigees19:39
M4rtinKI kinda prefer LVM & XFS to btrfs :)19:39
AL13NM4rtinK: can i ask why?19:40
M4rtinKseems more Unix like for one :)19:40
AL13Nlvm is really unefficient19:40
M4rtinK& more tested19:40
tbrStskeeps: the good part is that we can short circuit it in the kernel (most likely) as the kernel controls the transceiver. not like on the TI TWL parts where it had a brain of its own19:40
Stskeeps:nod:19:40
AL13Nand with btrfs, there is no need to have the extra layers for lvm19:40
M4rtinKwell, you have those layers built in btrfs :)19:41
Stskeepsi just want zfs on my phone/tablet and go home19:41
AL13Nplus you have added features like raid1+bitrot protection19:41
Stskeeps:P19:41
AL13NM4rtinK: not quite19:41
dunpcan i use two media to one volume with btrfs?19:41
M4rtinKLVM thin provisioning & XFS is pretty similar to btrfs in many regards19:41
AL13NM4rtinK: you see multidevice btrfs with quota-subvolumes is actually what you wanted to do with lvm19:41
M4rtinKand unlike btrfs you can have swap on a LV :)19:41
kimmoli_blahtbr:  installed... ah, need to make some snack first19:42
tbr:)19:42
AL13NM4rtinK: well, tbf, btrfs has a feature in the works to export a block device (and allow swap)19:42
M4rtinKyeah, I've read the btrfs todo :)19:42
dunpand dm-crypt support..19:42
AL13Nyes, but also internal encryption support19:43
M4rtinKyeah, the feature set is sometimes pretty similar19:43
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AL13NM4rtinK: once you've done more with lvm (especially thin-provisioning and snapshots) you'll learn soon enough why btrfs is better :-)19:43
M4rtinKbut I personally like LVM more than btrfs :)19:44
AL13Nyou'll get over it :-)19:44
M4rtinKit is no longer that crazy :)19:44
saltsaM4rtinK: what benefit does thin provisioning make?19:44
M4rtinKwell, you can't name a snapshot LV "snapshot*" but well :)19:45
M4rtinKyou can alocate arbitrarily sized partitions19:45
M4rtinKand space is allocated from a central pool when used19:45
M4rtinKand returned back once freed19:46
M4rtinKit is good for virtual machines19:46
saltsaexcept I think you'll have lots of problems when there is enough of data in the XFS19:46
saltsaplus you can't shrink xfs systems19:46
AL13Nit's actually not good for fragmentation19:46
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M4rtinKor even for simple stuff like rootfs/home allocation19:46
M4rtinKjust do thin LV for both and you don't need to resize one of them when it becomes full but the other doesn't19:47
AL13Nthis is where btrfs handles things better, you simply use quotas instead of provisioning19:47
AL13Nand subvolumes instead of partitioning19:47
M4rtinKyep, you can't shrink XFS, but you don't have to if it is on a thin LV - all the free block are just not used19:48
saltsaM4rtinK: so does xfs issue some trim-like commands to free up then thin provisoned lv?19:48
AL13Nbut thin provisioning leads to fragmentation19:48
M4rtinKno idea about how it handles fragmentation, but haven't seen any negative reports about it so far19:48
tbrso, what's the colour of the bike shed going to be? vim or emacs?19:48
AL13Ntbr: sssh19:48
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M4rtinKsaltsa: yep, it works the same way as trim on SSDs IIRC19:49
AL13Nrampant layering violations is the way forward: systemd, btrfs, ... :-)19:49
Stskeepslayering is overrated19:49
javispedroomh, systemd criticism!19:50
javispedromind if I join? :)19:50
M4rtinKwell, I like systemd for one :)19:50
* tbr likes layer cakes, preferably delicious and moist19:50
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AL13Ni like systemd too19:50
M4rtinKwell, as long as it is working19:50
M4rtinKbut it is most of the time19:50
AL13Ntbr: i like my cake layered too, especially if there's chocolate mousse on it19:50
M4rtinKsystemctl enable cake.service :)19:51
AL13Nthis reminds me, someone said to me that ubuntu was gonna go with systemd... which is just stupid, i cannot believe that...19:51
w00tsystemctl restart cake-eating.service19:51
tbrCaekAsAService19:51
Stskeepssudo bring me a cake19:51
AL13N*CakeAsAService19:51
tbrAL13N: they did, because debian did19:51
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M4rtinKAL13N: BTW, how does btrfs handle SSD caching ?19:52
AL13Ntbr: you're pulling my leg19:52
tbrnope, true story bro19:52
Stskeepsit all comes down to economics19:52
AL13NM4rtinK: you mean like the zfs l2arc?19:52
M4rtinKAL13N: I know ZFS has that, and there is bcache for generic block devices19:52
w00tAL13N: i'm happy about it (leaving any bias aside, honestly, i'd have been just as happy if everyone adopted upstart for instance..) - everyone using the same lower plumbing means less headaches trying to get something working across distributions19:52
AL13Nafaik nothing yet, just bcache19:52
* tbr agress with w00t 19:53
w00tnow if only mir wasn't still a thing...19:53
M4rtinKAL13N: not sure how it is called but have seen "SSD caching support" mentioned19:53
* tbr has to maintain a multi-distro packaging on OBS19:53
AL13NM4rtinK: though theoretically, when striping is mixed, one could actually have a partial mirror ondemand mirror of the most used files on the ssd19:53
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AL13NM4rtinK: ssd support is not ssd caching support :-)19:53
w00ttbr: i'd love to see packaging be the next thing to converge. but i guess that's going to take a slightly more major revolution :)19:53
M4rtinKAL13N: well, I think it had _caching_ :)19:54
AL13Nw00t: third that19:54
Stskeepsonly time packaging will converge is after all the unbelievers have been slayed19:54
javispedrow00t: tbh I thought the entire init thing to be much more improbable19:54
tbrw00t: systemd becomes a package manager?19:54
AL13NM4rtinK: if supports the use of bcache :-)19:54
* w00t gets so sick of distro hopping and having to remember which tool to run 'install' on19:54
AL13NGNU/Linux ==> SystemD/Linux :-)19:54
javispedroAL13N: ever heard of kerneld?19:54
M4rtinKAL13N: but striping really isn't the same - as long as it does not skip caching of sequential IO, it is sub optimal usually19:54
AL13Nnope19:54
M4rtinKAL13N: well, yeah, that can be done19:55
AL13NM4rtinK: well, we'll have to see, i suspect this is something that'll come with RAID5/6 enterprise ready stuff19:55
M4rtinKand LVM also got caching support recently :)19:55
AL13Nstill, even bcache is more efficient use of caching than ZFS does19:56
AL13NZFS l2arc is mostly usefull with high concurrency19:56
AL13Nbtw: it seems ZFS is quite memory-hungry19:56
dunpi want linux fs to default :) to phone..19:57
arzfs wants 64bit address space and lots of ram19:57
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ararm boxen tend to have none of these properties19:57
AL13Nar: i don't mind 64bit address space, i mean, even ARM wants that :-)19:57
AL13Ni'm curious about AMD's ARM64 v8 chipset19:58
javispedrochipset!19:59
M4rtinKI really really hope that aarch64 finally fixes the current arm mess20:00
ukas~/win 2020:01
AL13Ntbh, its not the ARMv* that's a mess, it's the chipset manufacturers making e mess out of it20:01
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javispedroyou keep using the word "chipset", which is a little weird considering half of the "mobile revolution" of the last decade is thanks to having been able to use a single chip only.20:02
M4rtinKall those hacked custom kernel trees & blobs everywhere & no docs ...20:03
Stskeepswhat, xda-developers?20:03
Stskeeps:P20:03
javispedroxda-developers is exactly the same place it was a decade ago, only they now illegaly share linux binaries instead of wince.20:04
* javispedro has found the transfer of wince terminology (e.g. "ROM", "BSP") to Android very interesting.20:05
phlixi_hi20:07
M4rtinKwell, I still know what XDA stands for (and I've even seen the original MDA) :)20:07
kimmoli_blahtbr  passdb backend = tdbsam ??20:07
phlixi_i would like to copy some files from my n9 to my jolla20:07
phlixi_...whats the best approach for that? more or less directly, without having them to copy to pc (where rights etc get lost)20:08
kimmoli_blahscp ?20:08
AL13Nrsync20:08
AL13Nbluetooth20:08
AL13Nwifi20:08
AL13N...20:08
AL13Nmobile data for all i care20:09
javispedrovirtually only rsync or a tarball will maintain rights/permissions20:09
phlixi_maybe i should point out that i do not want to copy them one by one, since those are a lot, and not via 3g... its ~20GiB20:09
phlixi_i do not know if i have enough space for that -.-20:10
javispedrophlixi_: put them on the same wi-fi ap, rsync via ssh.20:10
phlixi_they are... i will have to look up rsync... thanks for the tip20:10
javispedroscp -p preserves permissions too, I see.20:11
kimmoli_blahtbr, it works with smbpasswd20:12
phlixi_ok, the jolla has rsync, the n9 doesnt :/20:12
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keithzg_Huh, the N9 didn't ship with rsync? Guess I installed it too long ago to remember, heh.20:16
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kimmoli_blahtbr http://pastebin.com/tpurttAE20:17
kimmoli_blahand yes i have finnish dos-prompt20:17
keithzg_Literally used rsync from my N9 to my Jolla last night.20:17
faenilkimmoli_blah, so it works? :)20:17
keithzg_phlixi_: Don't worry if you only have rsync on your Jolla, you can just push or pull from it as long as an openssh server is running on your N9. Rsync is nice like that.20:18
javispedrokeithzg_: not sure20:18
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keithzg_javispedro: Am I remembering wrong? I thought you really only needed rsync on both sides if you wanted rsync-style shares.20:19
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javispedrofor that you need rsyncd20:19
javispedrobut I suspect rsync -e ssh will spawn rsync on the remote20:20
kimmoli_sailing_y, samba works both ways20:20
javispedroat least to calculate partial hashes et all20:20
keithzg_Hrmmm.20:20
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javispedrosamba is nice20:20
javispedroI used to have it on xinetd in n9...20:21
saltsaM4rtinK: how does xfs and thin-provisioned lvm behave when the disk runs out?20:21
javispedroshould try to make systemd/inetd version on sailfish =)20:21
AL13Ndude, rsync is THA BOMB20:21
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AL13Nyes, sure, but why would you, if you got rsync -a ?20:21
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kimmoli_sailing_hmm.. if smbmount something, i hope tracker does not go there20:23
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mikmakimmoli_sailing_: hohohoho, finnish dos20:24
kimmoli_sailing_:)20:24
mikmathey should have translated the commands to finnish versions also20:25
faenilanyone familiar with CMT on N9?20:25
faenildoes WAKELINE TEST FAILED tell anything to you?20:25
faenilthere's help needed for the n9 3.5 kernel update project20:25
mikmathat would have been funny... "verkko käytä t: \\puhelin\nemo"20:25
faenilhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project#TO_DO_list_for_kernel_update20:25
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phlixi_is it possible, that it is not possible to connect twice to the jolla (via ssh)?20:26
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keithzg_phlixi_: You should be able to connect multiple times, I know of no reason why not and I've done so myself.20:27
kimmoli_sailing_atleast i connect but from same host20:27
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phlixi_thats strange, as long as i have putty open, i am not able to connect with filezilla and vice versa...20:28
phlixi_once i close the connected one, after a short time the other is able to connect20:28
keithzg_phlixi_: What OS are you running on your host computer?20:29
kimmoli_sailing_works for me, filezilla works while puttying20:29
phlixi_win720:29
phlixi_a secont putty also does not work :(20:31
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keithzg_Can you switch PuTTY to give you verbose output?20:31
keithzg_equivalient to ssh -v?20:31
javispedromore phantom ssh sessions using pttys? :)20:31
kimmoli_blahsamba about 2.8 Mbytes/sec20:35
kimmoli_blahfrom phone to pc20:35
AL13Nnot bad for being samba20:36
javispedro"for being samba"?20:39
javispedroit should be quite higher than e.g. ssh20:39
javispedroprobably the only thing that'll beat it is a _properly_ configured NFS.20:39
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AL13Nwut, samba is notorious for not getting the full available bandwith20:42
AL13Nand ssh is only slower if cpu can't handle the crypto well20:42
AL13Nrsync over ssh mostly gets pretty close20:43
javispedrotry it.20:43
AL13Ndude, i use it all the time20:44
javispedros/try/benchmark/20:44
phlixi_does this look reasonable? Or are there nor asteriks needed because its for folders anyway? rsync -r user@192.168.1.25:/home/user/MyDocs/gPodder/* /media/sdcard/jcard/gpodder_files/*20:44
phlixi_and where will i put my password?20:45
javispedrophlixi_: if you really want to keep permissions, you need something like -ra20:45
AL13Ni often rsync over ssh on 100Mbit lines, NFS gets 11 easily, sometimes 12; rsync over ssh gets 10-11; samba gets 7 or 8 max20:45
javispedroI _specially_ doubt rsync uses your bandwidth fully20:46
phlixi_i do not know if those are needed20:46
phlixi_probably not20:46
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AL13Njavispedro: why?20:46
javispedroAL13N: gazillion roundtrips when files exist in remote too20:46
AL13Nwe're talking tests with a single big file20:47
AL13Nnot talking about file access overhead20:47
AL13Nthis is about throughput20:47
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AL13Nthe rsync is over ssh getting slightly less is not a surprise20:48
AL13Nand the samba not getting near, is also no surprise20:48
AL13Nthough i should admit that it's been a while since these tests with samba (definately not v4)20:48
kimmoli_blahfilezilla over sftp gets 2.6 - 2.7 MB/s20:49
faenilAL13N, the one tested on Jolla is 3.5.920:50
AL13Noh, for the record, i'm not talking about jolla transfer rates20:50
javispedroAL13N: I've not tried sambav4 either20:50
phlixi_:( user@192.168.1.25's password: \nsh: rsync: not found  ...i thought this is not needed because of: The ':' usages connect via remote shell, while '::' & 'rsync://' usages connect to an rsync daemon, and require SRC or DEST to start with a module name.20:50
AL13Nfor jolla, the bottleneck is the local storage20:51
phlixi_seems like i need to install rsync on the n9 (with a broken warehouse... )20:51
AL13Nyes, you need rsync on both machines20:51
AL13Nscp has the same problem20:51
phlixi_i have no clue how to get rsync on the n9, unfortunately warehouse seems to be broken20:52
* AL13N doesn't know anything about n920:52
javispedrophlixi_: then I suggest scp -p20:53
phlixi_a, this is on both :-)20:53
javispedroor even just tarball the entire thing and send it via normal scp20:53
phlixi_i doubt there is enough space to put a tarball besides it20:53
phlixi_scp will have to do the job, i will study the options...20:54
* javispedro ponders tar cz | ssh .... er... scp will do.20:54
faeniljavispedro, btw just fyi, if you want to stay on the safe side you need bsdtar, as tar won't compress the security caps20:55
kimmoli_blahputty's pscp got only 1.2 MB/s20:55
kimmoli_blahGN everyone... i hope TDC will get their cable fixed by morning  duh  http://tdc.fi/tekniset-tiedotteet20:59
keithzg_phlixi_: You could still just get rsync from rZr's Harmattan repo, see http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=harmattan20:59
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faenilkimmoli_blah, night20:59
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* javispedro ponders a firefox extension that automatically sends the cookie that hides the "cookies warning" for some popular websites21:00
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phlixi_finally, something is copying... :-)21:16
phlixi_(terrible slow though...)21:16
phlixi_around 1.0MB/s21:17
phlixi_well, hopefully will be done tomorrow, thenn i have to leave the wlan :)21:19
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faidenSeems like I will not get my phone from the posoffice, I need to wait at my door for a "couple of days" from 10-17 :(23:40
stephgfaiden: :(23:40
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