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Stskeeps | good morning everybody | 05:32 |
kimmoli | GM | 05:39 |
kimmoli | it is my daughter last school day at primary school... | 05:42 |
Stskeeps | it's saturday? :P | 05:42 |
kimmoli | just getting grade papers | 05:43 |
kimmoli | and sing-a-song | 05:43 |
kimmoli | but had few minutes to tinker with canvas https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=4b088581-a7d0-3004-fcd4-44afd5b2f2f2 | 05:43 |
kimmoli | now must go.. | 05:43 |
Stskeeps | ah | 05:44 |
Stskeeps | cya | 05:44 |
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tbr | kimmoli: good to hear that you got it working | 05:58 |
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tbr | Stskeeps: stalker ;) | 06:03 |
Stskeeps | tbr: twitter follower | 06:04 |
Stskeeps | :P | 06:04 |
kimmoli_sailing | i did config only workgroup and changed security to smbpasswd, added user, and added share to /home/nemo | 06:11 |
tbr | Stskeeps: below 30s is still rare, hence the comment | 06:11 |
Stskeeps | tbr: pure coincidence, i'm not viciously refreshing my twitter account every 10 seconds to see if anybody wrote anything bad about me | 06:12 |
Stskeeps | .. just every 5 minutes | 06:12 |
Stskeeps | :P | 06:12 |
Stskeeps | still, cool work! | 06:12 |
Stskeeps | did you have to bring in kereberos, or? | 06:12 |
tbr | Stskeeps: krb5, yes. see the project. but it's just 5 source packages, so still fairly decent | 06:14 |
kimmoli_sailing | now just need to make systemd service for smbd or something to autostart it... | 06:15 |
kimmoli_sailing | and i can get rid of win-sshfs buggy poc | 06:17 |
Stskeeps | bonus points for making the authentication match with device lock code.. :P | 06:17 |
kimmoli_sailing | i think.i just share / as root user.... | 06:18 |
tbr | Stskeeps: is the code available as plaintext? if so it's just a few lines of script | 06:19 |
Stskeeps | mm i guess a hash somewhere, but i don't know in detail | 06:20 |
Stskeeps | there's a tool for authenticating that recovery menu uses.. i think | 06:20 |
tbr | if it has a pam module... :) | 06:20 |
Stskeeps | ugh, pam in the morning.,. | 06:20 |
tbr | haha | 06:20 |
* tbr should add pam_sssd and make the lock screen authenticate against corporate AD/MDS/LDAP. Can I get a keyboard instead of the numpad? :) | 06:22 | |
Stskeeps | my son just taught himself to take a paper cloth and polish a surface without tearing it apart.. | 06:23 |
Stskeeps | i think he just level up'ed to 'able to making a living on his own' | 06:23 |
coderus | moooooning | 06:23 |
tbr | :) | 06:23 |
tbr | good moaning | 06:23 |
coderus | tbr: as Jonni said there are no technical restrictions for length and symbols in devicelock, just UI | 06:23 |
kimmoli_sailing | hmm.. use accelerationsensor as ui, 5 turns left, 3 right.... | 06:25 |
tbr | coderus: that's what I expected. Hence I asked for a keyboard ;) | 06:25 |
* tbr used to have a long password on his n950 | 06:26 | |
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coderus | tbr: hack /usr/lib/qt5/qml/com/jolla/settings/system/PinInput.qml | 06:28 |
* tbr takes a mental note :) | 06:29 | |
tbr | thanks | 06:29 |
* kimmoli_sailing needs more coffee... | 06:32 | |
* tbr had two mugs and is slowly booting | 06:32 | |
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kimmoli_sailing | when fingerterm will support systemwide clipboard? | 06:33 |
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tbr | I thought it does? | 06:38 |
tbr | meh, so, samba 3.5.9 is horribly outdated. I wonder what we should go for then. something out of the 3.6 series or straight to 4.1 | 06:39 |
* tbr will have to look at packaging and deps, maybe I can find those on the suse obs | 06:40 | |
kimmoli_sailing | coderus: tnx for pointing that file, changed keypadTextColor to white | 06:43 |
kimmoli_sailing | now i can see what keys to press | 06:43 |
coderus | kimmoli_sailing: fingerterm supporting clipboard, just fix was released too late to ship | 06:47 |
coderus | kimmoli_sailing: you can build it yourself | 06:47 |
coderus | nemomobile/fingerterm | 06:47 |
coderus | github | 06:47 |
kimmoli_sailing | yes... | 06:49 |
kimmoli_sailing | if it is updated in coming updates i'm fine | 06:50 |
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tbr | there is also a silica version of fingerterm in chum | 07:00 |
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pp | tbr: I thought windows 7+ pretty much wants samba4? | 07:07 |
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Stskeeps | morn Sfiet_Konstantin | 07:13 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | hello Stskeeps | 07:13 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | week-end time | 07:13 |
Stskeeps | indeed | 07:13 |
Stskeeps | i'm going to spend it in the sun, in the garden with a good book on making addictive behaviour and spending time with my son | 07:13 |
Stskeeps | will be good | 07:14 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 07:14 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | addictive behaviour ? | 07:14 |
Stskeeps | ( http://www.amazon.com/Hooked-How-Build-Habit-Forming-Products-ebook/dp/B00HJ4A43S ) | 07:14 |
* Sfiet_Konstantin gonna hack patchmanager and some other stuff | 07:14 | |
Sfiet_Konstantin | no sun here | 07:14 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: sounds that a pretty good book :) | 07:14 |
Stskeeps | of course some might claim it's evil, but .. :P | 07:15 |
Stskeeps | sometimes in order to make sure people get the most out of an offering, it needs to be part of people's habits | 07:15 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: indeed | 07:16 |
Stskeeps | and not in the way like facebook does it at times, like overly attached girlfriend like.. | 07:17 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: Facebook doesn't have an offering | 07:17 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | (well, a bit trolly) | 07:17 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | but in FB case, it's more about having info for them too | 07:18 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:18 |
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kimmoli_sailing | hmmm pininput.qml change affected only settings page, not actual lock code entry... or do i need to reboot to refresh? | 07:34 |
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coderus | kimmoli_sailing: restart lipstick | 07:59 |
kimmoli_sailing | oh, ok. | 08:04 |
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AL13N | kimmoli, kimmoli_sailing: /me is curious what you're doing with the lock screen? a redesign of some kind? | 08:56 |
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kimmoli_sailing | just changed color of keypad numbers so i can see them | 08:56 |
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kimmoli_sailing | and maybe to old safe style number lock mechanism. | 08:57 |
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* kimmoli_sailing does not know yet... | 08:59 | |
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kimmoli_blah | oo. i really start <3 samba.. just came home, clicked refresh on windows explorer and thumbnails of recent photos started to appear. | 09:24 |
kimmoli_blah | thanks tbr | 09:25 |
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AL13N | kimmoli_blah: i guess it's not that usefull for me, i have no windows at home | 09:29 |
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faenil | morning o/ | 09:33 |
tbr | kimmoli_blah: you're welcome :) | 09:35 |
tbr | AL13N: you're free to package nfs-kernel-server | 09:35 |
AL13N | heh | 09:35 |
AL13N | i use nfs mounts on the jolla | 09:35 |
AL13N | but not the server part | 09:35 |
tbr | yeah, in which direction is simply by preference | 09:36 |
AL13N | yes | 09:36 |
AL13N | samba server probably drains battery that much faster | 09:36 |
tbr | [citation needed] | 09:37 |
AL13N | true | 09:37 |
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AL13N | tbr: maybe kimmoli_blah or kimmoli_sailing_ can provide such benchmarks | 09:37 |
phdeswer | tbr: AL13N: Well you could make usb_moded start and stop the samba server only when it it connected through USB. If you would not use it over wifi of course. | 09:38 |
AL13N | gonna give fscache another go with nfs | 09:38 |
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tbr | phdeswer: that was my thought yesterday actually | 09:38 |
AL13N | maybe i should use intr with nfs for my unreliable wifi | 09:38 |
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phdeswer | tbr: this should do that if that would be what somebody would like http://piratepad.net/sDqjIR1Liq | 09:45 |
tbr | phdeswer: thanks! | 09:46 |
phdeswer | np ;) | 09:46 |
phdeswer | However I can't remember how to keep systemd from starting it on boot. | 09:47 |
tbr | that snippet goes into the usbmoded config file? | 09:47 |
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phdeswer | As described below. It goes into its own file for example /etc/usb-moded/run/samba.ini | 09:48 |
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phdeswer | And not 100% sure but you might need to do killall -HUP usb_moded to force it to reread all the config data | 09:51 |
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tbr | phdeswer: ah, ok | 10:09 |
faenil | phdeswer, hey kernel hacker, what's the chance I can replace jolla's display with something like an amoled? | 10:10 |
phdeswer | faenil: pretty small. Since you will have to find a amoled that fits, with the right connectors and then hope you can find/write a driver for the touch controller. | 10:11 |
faenil | ah right, touch controller | 10:13 |
faenil | phdeswer, is jolla touch+display allinone? | 10:13 |
Stskeeps | afaik | 10:14 |
phdeswer | faenil: usually yes. It is easier for production. | 10:14 |
faenil | so, it boils down to finding a display+touch which fits | 10:14 |
faenil | no idea how likely that is to happen :) | 10:14 |
faenil | phdeswer, I don't think drivers will be an issue, don't you agree? it will be a display from another android device most likely, so I guess it won't be easy to get it work | 10:15 |
faenil | won't be hard* | 10:15 |
phdeswer | faenil: might not be impossible now. But I would be careful about saying it would be easy. | 10:16 |
* tbr was about to suggest the Nx4, but that's also an LCD | 10:16 | |
* faenil likes making frankensteins | 10:17 | |
phdeswer | You'll have to get the driver, be able to match it in the kernel etc... | 10:17 |
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* tbr would even have a display with shattered glass to play with from his Nx4 | 10:17 | |
faenil | phdeswer, isn't there something like generic drivers for this stuff? | 10:17 |
phdeswer | And if something is wired up different it will be all fun. | 10:17 |
faenil | phdeswer, don't they have standard or something | 10:17 |
tbr | depends how close to the hardware optimizations were made | 10:17 |
faenil | yeah.. | 10:17 |
faenil | but I guess the biggest issue here is having connectors in the same place | 10:18 |
phdeswer | faenil: haven't dealt with it in enough detail yet, but experience tells me that most likely that there will be weird undocumented quirks even if it is somehow "standard" | 10:18 |
tbr | or at the very least close enough | 10:18 |
faenil | phdeswer, mm ok | 10:18 |
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faenil | and all samsungs seem to come with the chrome all glued together :/ | 10:19 |
faenil | http://www.ebay.it/itm/AMOLED-Full-lcd-display-touch-screen-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S-i9000-i9001-White-/151286133922?pt=Centraline_Filtri_Adattatori_Skype&hash=item23395b34a2&_uhb=1 | 10:19 |
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tbr | ideally, you'd find a similar device (based on MSM8960) but with amoled and similar cabling | 10:20 |
phdeswer | faenil: welcome to mass production ;) Easier to fit and easier to use in a repair chain. | 10:20 |
faenil | tbr, not sure there is any | 10:20 |
tbr | 8930 would prolly work too | 10:20 |
tbr | there were quite a few phones, including moto-x iirc. just not sure if amoled | 10:21 |
faenil | mmm lumia 1020.... :Q__ | 10:21 |
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faenil | mmm nothing, they all come glued to the chrome | 10:23 |
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faenil | Stskeeps, and detaching touch from display is not doable, is it | 10:28 |
phdeswer | faenil: not really no. That is well glued on usually | 10:30 |
faenil | so if I can't detach the digitizer from the screen this is 100% impossible | 10:30 |
faenil | okay...it was fun until it lasted | 10:32 |
tbr | with a heat gun and several tries, maybe ;) | 10:32 |
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tbr | meh osc copypac goes through local client :-/ | 10:33 |
tbr | my slow connection just got a lot slower | 10:33 |
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AL13N | tbr: any ideas for me to try? http://superuser.com/questions/761023/using-nfs-over-unreliable-networks-wifi-mobile | 11:42 |
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phdeswer | AL13N: do a soft mount at least otherwise you might lock up the thing if the connection happens to drop | 11:44 |
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faiden | https://i.imgur.com/i5nZIHM.jpg | 11:51 |
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AL13N | phdeswer: well, wouldn't hard just hang the file access until it's back? | 11:57 |
AL13N | phdeswer: what would soft do? unmount when unavailable? | 11:57 |
AL13N | what would happen to the fscache then? | 11:57 |
phdeswer | AL13N: throw an error. Hard hang sometimes never gets resolved and you end up with some dead mounts | 11:58 |
phdeswer | Anyway I gave up NFS years ago, there is much better stuff out there these days. I am always suprised there is somebody that wants to use it. | 11:59 |
AL13N | phdeswer: ok, but, what about fscache then? if there's an error, then would the cache be unused? or would it still be used? | 11:59 |
AL13N | phdeswer: better? like what? | 11:59 |
phdeswer | Don't know about fscache. Never used it. | 11:59 |
phdeswer | sshfs is just as easy, encrypted and more reliable | 12:00 |
AL13N | you have a fsc mount option, which uses the standard linux caching module | 12:00 |
AL13N | the way i see it is that sshfs is not good with unreliable networks at all... | 12:00 |
AL13N | s/see/hear/ | 12:00 |
phdeswer | I prefer errors/disconnects over silent corruption | 12:01 |
AL13N | this is just about ro mounts, there's no corruption here | 12:01 |
AL13N | i want reliability accross different networks | 12:01 |
AL13N | i have no problem about the movie just hanging mid play a bit while it switches over to mobile-data+openvpn or something | 12:02 |
AL13N | faenil: tbr: Sage_: ^^ see link above? | 12:03 |
AL13N | i mean thp | 12:03 |
phdeswer | I just checked up a bit on this fscache. Never used it. And hard to say what the effect would be when the connection drops | 12:03 |
AL13N | the must is that you don't use tracker on it... or you'll get some serious shit | 12:04 |
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AL13N | btw: i haven't been able to find xvid codecs, though most other stuff works | 12:05 |
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AL13N | gtg: chores, bbiab | 12:05 |
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PeperJohnny | gepepert | 13:17 |
AL13N | gepeperd | 13:17 |
PeperJohnny | well wrong chat sorry | 13:17 |
AL13N | wrong spelling too :-) | 13:18 |
AL13N | PeperJohnny: ^^ | 13:18 |
PeperJohnny | german spelling ;) | 13:18 |
AL13N | ok, maybe, my german is so rusty it's nonexisting | 13:18 |
AL13N | i was talking about dutch spelling | 13:18 |
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PeperJohnny | well i do not speak dutch =) | 13:19 |
AL13N | that'll do it | 13:19 |
AL13N | tbr, Sage_, thp, Stskeeps: i found out that the mount of busybox/util-linux doesn't support fsc mount option for nfs mounts... i found this patch: http://www.archivum.info/fedora-cvs-commits@redhat.com/2006-07/00706/rpms-util-linux-devel-util-linux-2.13-nfsmount-fsc.patch-1.1-1.2-util-linux.spec-1.133-1.134.html ; but old codebase... ; this one looks newer: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2009-May/069276.html | 13:20 |
AL13N | but it's not that easy to get this to work... i think | 13:21 |
AL13N | though maybe i can just build mount.c into mount with gcc manually... | 13:22 |
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faiden | what should i format my SD card to so my jolla can read it? Ext4? | 14:31 |
Acce | fat? | 14:32 |
faenil | faiden, it depends on your favourite choice | 14:32 |
faenil | some people use btrfs (but be sure to format it FROM THE DEVICE, not from pc) | 14:32 |
faiden | ahh ok | 14:33 |
faenil | some use ext4 (but it seems it is recommented to use tweaks for that) | 14:33 |
faiden | I guess I use what jolla recommend | 14:33 |
faenil | faiden, see https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SDCard#Solution_2:_Tuned_ext4 | 14:33 |
faiden | ty | 14:33 |
Yaniel | btrfs has for example wear-leveling which ext4 lacks | 14:33 |
faenil | faiden, don't know what's the official Jolla recommendation :) | 14:33 |
Yaniel | which is why it is better for sd cards | 14:34 |
faiden | I c Yaniel I check it out | 14:34 |
Yaniel | I suppose the "official" recommendation would be exFAT | 14:34 |
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faiden | bye bye ZTE Blade | 14:36 |
dunp | no license tax to MS.. | 14:38 |
dunp | Linux support for exFAT is still limited | 14:41 |
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Turski | faiden: i would recommend ext4 without journal | 14:56 |
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coderus | ha, SailfishOS doesnt see ad-hoc networks? really? :D | 15:06 |
Sail0r | yep | 15:07 |
coderus | how stupid :D | 15:08 |
tbr | coderus: it's an android thing. the drivers are optimized for ap mode, you can usually turn on ad-hoc support but it sucks in all sorts of ways | 15:08 |
tbr | on the positive side, google requirements pushed every chipset vendor to suply an ap-mode capable driver for hotspot mode | 15:09 |
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coderus | i'm using N9 hotspot :) | 15:24 |
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tbr | coderus: there is an AP-mode driver for that chipset, but I guess Nokia was too deeply invested in joikuspot to care for it... | 15:27 |
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faiden | Ok ty Turski | 15:30 |
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AL13N | faiden: i would recommend btrfs | 15:33 |
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faiden | ok i look into it AL13N | 15:39 |
faiden | ty =D | 15:39 |
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pdanek | Is here anyone who compared latest BB10 with latest Sailfish in terms of Android runtime? | 19:43 |
pdanek | Which ones is better? | 19:43 |
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phlixi_ | pdanek: i didnt, but given that (afaik) apps for bb10 have to be prepared to run on bb10 by the developer, i would say sailfish is better | 20:26 |
phlixi_ | ...because (in theory) every app runs on sailfish, but only those prepared by their developers run on bb10 | 20:26 |
phlixi_ | besides that, i have no idea which one might be better | 20:26 |
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AJAX555 | hmm.. does Jolla send crash reports? | 20:29 |
Stskeeps | not unless you configure it | 20:29 |
AJAX555 | I bet it isn't available in settings? | 20:30 |
Stskeeps | correct, and requires seperate installation and a working endpoint | 20:30 |
AJAX555 | sad, if it had sent error reports, I would have sent three or four this evening | 20:32 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:32 |
Stskeeps | you can probably make it collect some on device | 20:32 |
AJAX555 | imo there should be opinion in settings to decide whatever to send crash reports or not | 20:34 |
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Stskeeps | well, might be over in aard's territory to discuss | 20:36 |
* Stskeeps gets some sleep | 20:36 | |
Aard | AJAX555: we have it in settings internally, but we don't sync the package to public repos currently. I'd like to do that at some point, but it's a bit tricky from legal perspective (a coredump may contain all your passwords and bits of your homemade porn) and how we can handle intake of larger numbers | 20:39 |
phlixi_ | thats easy Aard: when switich the checkbox to "yes, send crash reports", ,have the user acceppt that this might send bits of everything... | 20:40 |
AJAX555 | Aard: yeah, but it still would be nice to be able choose that ^^ | 20:40 |
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phlixi_ | yesterday i asked if it is possible that it is not possible to cennect twice via ssh to the jolla.. | 20:41 |
Aard | phlixi_: that's what people with common sense think. :p | 20:41 |
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phlixi_ | ...and was asked if i could to something like ssh -v | 20:42 |
phlixi_ | today i have cygwin, and nothing happens after that: debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received | 20:42 |
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phlixi_ | thats the full debug output: http://pastebin.com/VqUuUgEf | 20:45 |
phlixi_ | [2014-05-30 22:31:53] <keithzg_> equivalient to ssh -v? <<- see line above ;-) | 20:48 |
Nicd- | how about -vvv? :D | 20:48 |
phlixi_ | Nicd-: shouuld i paste that into a query? :D | 20:50 |
Nicd- | not to me at least :P | 20:50 |
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Nicd- | but -vv and -vvv do give out more information | 20:51 |
phlixi_ | yes, already checked that, and it was so much, that i thought you might want to have it via query :D | 20:51 |
phlixi_ | besides there is no difference between vv and vvv (at least for this case) | 20:52 |
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phlixi_ | there you go: http://pastebin.com/A7da2LCr | 20:53 |
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AL13N | ok, so | 20:56 |
AL13N | i found out that util-linux mount can't pass fsc to mount points, so i tried to write a small mount program: https://gist.github.com/80f94a17cc2fb1f19edf | 20:56 |
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AL13N | but i get https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0f23ad696fce4b37b083 | 20:58 |
AL13N | for ARM, do i need special compiler flags? | 20:58 |
AL13N | i just did gcc -Wall -O2 kmount.c -o kmount | 20:58 |
AL13N | tbr: thp: Sage_: coderus: faenil: Aard: ^^ you guys know about ARM compiler flags? or page faults or whatnot? | 21:00 |
AL13N | anyone? | 21:01 |
AL13N | hmm, i must be doing something wrong, because i just tested on x86_64 and i have a segfault | 21:03 |
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kimmoli | tbr: it complains something in systemctl status, but nothing important... now it starts at boot; http://pastebin.com/0zHwCNL3 | 21:07 |
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faiden | Anyone got any good sailfishos/jolla site that talks about tweaks tricks apps etc ? =D | 21:18 |
phlixi_ | faiden: https://together.jolla.com | 21:19 |
faiden | looks promising ty =d | 21:19 |
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AL13N | ok, nvm, i modprobed the wrong nfs module | 22:20 |
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AL13N | anyway, now that i get fsc working, it's doing something, but gonna need stats and indexes and histogram and stuff to tune it... :-S | 22:21 |
AL13N | sad part, i don't recollect who built me the fscache modules | 22:21 |
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