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covoxgod damnit01:19
covoxnow apple are trying to throw openGL under the bus01:19
covoxhowever no-one cares because there's a chance they're throwing objective C under the bus too01:19
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dr_gogeta86morning peeps07:57
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gexctyping 'reboot' in the terminal with usb plugged in results in a reboot-by-battery-removal LOL07:59
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* tbr uses dsme-tool and gets reliable reboots08:01
* gexc noted it down08:02
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chriadamI use `devel-su -c reboot` all the time, works like a charm for me?08:17
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faidenI have so much to learn08:17
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ggabrieldo you actually need to be root to reboot? :D08:22
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Nicd-ggabriel: isn't that usually the casE?08:32
* gexc trying it again, rebooting with usb plugged08:33
gexcworks fine this time :-/08:33
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ggabrielNicd-: it is, but not on the jolla :P08:36
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Cazouhey, is there any way to install gdb on the Jolla device ?09:22
Stskeepspkcon install gdb09:22
tbrmight need mer-tools?09:22
phdeswer^ssu ar mer-tools and refresh I think  should take care of it afaik09:23
Stskeepsnah, gdb is in core09:23
Stskeepsqt uses for it build09:24
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CazouStskeeps: that did it, thanks ! Is the SDK able to start a debug session now ? because I still haven't been able to start one :(09:27
Stskeepshmm, you'd have to ask kaltsi and jake9xx09:27
kaltsiCazou: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues09:28
kaltsiCazou: yes, debugging is possible, check the debugging part of the known issues below, you'll need to install a few packages manually on your device09:28
Cazoukaltsi: thanks, I came across a known issue page 10 minutes ago but it wasn't this one, I'll try that then !09:29
kaltsiok, it should work, but if you have problems just ask :)09:30
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faenilnetzvieh, meeting starting in half an hour, right?09:36
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Cazoukaltsi: everything works fine now. Souldn't those 2 packages get installed when activating developer mode ?09:42
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kaltsiCazou: I'd prefer an extra page in the developer mode settings where this kind of packages can be installed easily.. not everyone needs those even if they activate developer mode.. but we don't have that yet09:43
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Cazoukaltsi: I see, well, at least it works, that's the most important part :)09:44
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kaltsi:) but yeah.. I'm not too happy about those missing packages09:46
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netzviehSailfish Community Meeting starts in 10 minutes in #mer-meeting, for Agenda see https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004454.html09:50
faidenCan anyone join the meeting?09:55
Stskeepsyes, it's open09:55
netzviehjep09:55
faidenLovely09:55
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faidenJust sitting here patently waiting for FedEx to drop of my phone!09:55
faidenI bet its dented and the package wont even hold together09:56
* netzvieh never had problems with fedex09:56
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faidenIt's mu first time using them, and I have watched so many youtube clips on how they handle packages09:58
faidenand I don't like that I need to be hope between 06:00-18:00 or they send it back09:58
faidenThats why i prefer the post office09:59
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phdeswerfaiden: usually they try to deliver a few times, then you need to call to make an appointment and sometimes they let you pick it up10:00
sledgesPSA: community meeting at #mer-meeting now :)10:00
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faidensounds good atleast phdeswer10:01
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faidenThey send my package from Finland to Sweden through France..11:00
faidensent*11:00
Stskeepsyeah..fedex is fantastic in that regard11:00
Stskeepsi think Khertan's package went through china(!)11:00
faidenouch11:00
faidenDoes not feel like the most optimal route11:01
Khertanfaiden, i live 30km from Charles De Gaule Airport11:01
faiden=D11:01
StskeepsKhertan: i'm still amazed it went through china11:01
Khertanpackage -> finland -> cdg france -> china -> germany -> england -> cdg france again :)11:01
KhertanStskeeps, fedex is a sum of little company they bought11:02
KhertanStskeeps, and system aren't the same in all small entities11:02
faidenThat phone has traveled more than i have11:03
Khertanand look like they have some sync error in syncing tracking number11:03
Khertanfaiden, same here :)11:03
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TemeKhertan: is taht the actual route your Jolla delivery has taken? :D11:10
Temecba to read all the log11:10
Temebut if it is... that's pretty messed up11:11
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maddlerKhertan: the only single routing worse than that was my ADSL back in Italy! :)11:19
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Khertanhttps://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/index.html?tracknumbers=798791104581&locale=fr_FR&cntry_code=fr << the england travel isn't on tracking that s whats fedex employee said to phone11:26
Khertani ven t checked on tracking so probably false11:26
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netzviehcommunity meeting is over, Minutes:        http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-06-03-10.00.html11:32
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* stephg ugh not a good time to have flashing green led and now a long red on power button shutdown 11:43
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faidenI'm sitting with only 1 ear on my headphone so I wont miss the ding dong door11:51
kimmoliwhat was the red-flashin contiuously ?11:54
kimmolilipstickka?11:54
spiiroin_kimmoli: mce tries to tell lipstick that drawing is ok/not; the display on<-->off state transition can't be finished until mce gets reply from lipstick11:56
spiiroin_red blinking while trying to turn display off, and green for display on11:56
kimmolionly red blinks11:56
kimmolithe when tried to switch off from power button only red led stays on11:56
spiiroin_non-blinking red = shutdown indicator11:57
kimmolibut for  1 minute?11:57
spiiroin_if some processes are in weird enough state, it might take time11:57
spiiroin_at some point there was 90s default timeout in systemd configs11:58
kimmoliah, ok (i think he did already took battery out of it) Not my phone11:58
spiiroin_I think it has been changed, but I have no clear idea what the current in release value is11:58
kimmolinot that default 180s ?11:58
spiiroin_IIRC it was made shorter, for the reason you already know12:00
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kimmoliharbout down? 502? Please contact harbourmaster@jolla.com12:31
kimmoliah not anymore12:31
sdjaynakimmoli: yeah known issue, on the list to sort out ;)12:33
kimmolifirst time for me.12:34
sdjaynakimmoli: only happens for seconds at a time, you're unlucky to hit it :/12:35
kimmolior lucky :)12:35
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TMavicajolla map update12:55
Nicd-?12:55
TMavicai got stock map update in store12:56
Nicd-hmm, I possibly wouldn't do it12:57
TMavicait show update at 3/6, but i not able update it12:58
TMavicasystem update soon?12:58
Nicd-at least there was a problem before where app updates were shown right before a system update and they would break something if the user updated them before doing the system update12:58
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Yanielyep, it won't install12:59
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TMavicasystem update soon13:00
Yanielmost likely because it belongs to the system update that's said to be coming soon13:00
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TMavicai think so13:00
Nicd-oh man13:00
Nicd-and my phone is still at optima13:00
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SceltNicd-: it's an awful company. never heard a nice word about then13:01
Sceltthem13:01
TMavicarushing home to wait update13:01
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Sceltyou remember the badgerbadgerbadger aniamtino few yeras back? badgers in my head are singing "updateupdateupdate..."13:02
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SpeedEvilScelt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy69qrJSDxs13:03
FireFlyScelt: well thanks, now they are in my head too13:03
netzviehScelt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGlyFc79BUE ? :D13:03
FireFlyTMavica: here's hoping it's very soon...13:04
Sceltnetzvieh: booyah! :-D13:04
SceltFireFly: you are welcome :-)13:04
TMavicalol..13:05
Sceltupdateupdateupdateupdateupdate...13:05
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Yanielhotfix! hotfix!13:07
TMavicanow is 2100, pls fast13:07
TMavicai need sleep13:07
gexcupdate today?13:07
netzviehnobody said anything about an update today :D13:08
gexc:-/13:08
netzviehand I doubt it, there wouldn't have been a community meeting, if today would be update day ^^13:08
ppI'm guessing friday :-)13:09
Aardnetzvieh: don't expect the update today. but we're very close. it's part of why I didn't notice community meeting happening at first :)13:09
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FireFly:D13:09
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FireFly"very close", meaning friday next week13:10
netzvieh;) \o/13:10
TMavicaaard, i go to sleep then13:10
AardFireFly: that'd be 'close', not 'very close' :p13:10
FireFlyHaha13:10
SK_workvery close means in 3 month, when u7 will be combined to u8 and u9 :P13:10
Yanielyou have until tomorrow 15:00 :P13:10
netzviehAard: I gave up on expecting things years ago :D there are less disappointments then ;)13:11
AardYaniel: if I can have you as my personal slave until tomorrow, sure. :)13:11
* w00t presses the "delay updates for SK_work" button13:11
w00tyour wish is my command! :p13:11
netzviehAard: so that's why you wanted me to work for you :D13:11
YanielAard: you can't I have to pack13:11
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SceltAard & w00t: good work guys!13:15
faidenTime for first startup!13:17
SK_work:D13:18
Nicd-faiden: ooh, you got it?13:19
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faidenYea =D13:21
Nicd-nice13:21
faidensure is, setting it up as we speak13:22
Nicd-remember to run all updates before installing apps13:22
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faidenyea, I do love updates (for real) best ever13:23
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faidenWill take weeks before I remove the protective plastic13:28
YanielI still haven't removed it from mine13:29
Yanieland I got it back in december13:29
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YanielI just cut off the protrusion and since then it has been almost unnoticeable13:29
faidenhmidd13:31
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JopeI always remove the plastic films from any devices I buy13:33
Stskeepssometimes the plastic films may factually scratch, too13:33
gexchmm, that gorilla glass is not as tough as expected13:33
Jopethey're there so that they get to you in pristine condition. once you start using them, then they start their life13:33
covoxyeah, sand can get trapped under the film and forced against the glass13:34
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* gexc got two deep scratches near the center of the screen O_O13:34
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faidenNot the longest power cable thou13:35
faidenCan i use my PC to charge it?13:35
Yanielyes13:35
faidengood good13:35
Nicd-but it will be slower13:35
Yanielit will charge always when it can13:35
faidenStill learning that there are no back/home button13:35
Yanielpart of the reason why I like to ssh in via usb13:36
faidensometimes I'm like where am I!!?!?13:36
Yanieldon't worry13:36
faidenssh through usb... intressting. why not wlan?13:36
Yanielyou'll have learned it by friday13:36
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Yanielbecause I can13:36
faidenheeh I have to try that later first week is just learn the phone, after that i can experiment!13:37
covoxPC charging via usb is pretty quick13:37
Yaniel(in fact, you'll find yourself unable to use anything else after half a week)13:37
covoxroughly 1 minute/%13:37
Nicd-covox: depends on the PC13:37
faidenNot sure if I want to use android support, I heard it steals power13:37
giucameverything steals power ;)13:37
faidenI just need a google sync calendar and Telegram13:37
Yanielwell, charging is another reason to use usb13:38
Yanieland I just happen to like wired connections13:38
* kimmoli passes cold one to tbr ...13:38
tbrthanks kimmoli! :)13:38
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kimmoli... when i could test smbmount ? :)13:39
faidentime to upgrade13:39
faidenI rather use sshfs than samba13:40
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tbrkimmoli: currently trying to get samba4.1 to build13:40
tbrkimmoli: what was missing for smbmount?13:40
kimmolicli smbmount command iirc13:41
faidenhmm where do I format my sdcard?13:41
Nicd-there's no UI for that I think13:41
Nicd-you can do it in the command line or on your computer13:41
faidenAhh ok sounds eaasy13:42
faidenJust need to enable developer console and set my ssh details I guess13:42
tbrkimmoli: I'll try to remember at home. please keep poking me. the 3.5 version should be easy.13:42
Nicd-and don't touch the developer updates13:42
* kimmoli goes to get a lock stick13:43
kimmoli*long13:43
kimmoli*drm13:43
faenilgexc, join our club "This is not Gorilla Glass, Jolla was delivered wrong parts"13:43
faidenno toutchy developper updated got it13:43
Nicd-faenil?13:44
faenilNicd-, me, at least another guy, and now gexc (and don't know how many others) think that this glass is not gorilla glass13:44
gexcLOL13:44
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gexchow to tell if it is a gorilla glass13:45
faenilI've always paid a lot of attention to the screen, on any phone, and this has 2 scratches already13:45
ggabrielgive it a banana and observe the reaction13:45
faenilggabriel, ahaah +113:45
ccha2what is the process name for messaging ?13:47
ccha2for xmpp13:47
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* netzvieh doesn't have any scratches on the glass (phone dropped multiple times on stone)13:50
SK_workonly very small scratches here, but omg, the screen is so greasy13:51
netzviehthe upper edges of the front are damaged rather heavily though13:51
SK_workdamage on the alu part here too13:51
Temei have one scratch right in the middle of the screen :( someone joked here that i shouldn't keep it in the same pocket with my diamonds but i really have no idea what could've caused it13:51
faenilTeme, maybe it was you, the other member of the club :)13:52
Temecould be - i made that remark one time at the night bus after a few bars... so can't really recall nicknames from the time :D13:53
SK_workI'm pretty sure about it13:53
SK_workfaenil: the other one is Khertan13:53
faenilokay, new members welcomed :D13:53
SK_workfaenil: :)13:54
SK_workI would say that the screen is not gorilla, but then my N9 is not gorilla either13:54
SK_workbecause it's scratched everywhere too13:55
SK_work(not to speak about N950)13:55
SK_work(but IIRC N950 didn't had gorilla)13:55
* gexc can feel the deep scratches with a fingertip13:55
* Aard does not have many scratches. maybe I'me too careful with my devices? :p13:55
* gexc has put a glass protector on13:56
gexcand the (non-gorilla) screen protector keeps getting tiny scratches :-/13:57
faidenhmm what is the root password for the phone?13:57
Aardfaiden: unset13:58
faidenok13:58
Yanielfor good reasons13:58
Aardfaiden: you enable developer mode, and specify a password for the nemo user13:58
SK_workfaiden: had developer mode installed ? IT's the pwd you defined in developer mode13:58
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faidenI enabeled developer mode and chose a password for ssh only13:58
netzviehfaiden: ýou log in with nemo and use devel-su to become root :D (it's a bit like sudo)13:58
faidenok13:58
faidenahh works ty13:59
Yanielthe password you set for developer mode is the one for the user nemo13:59
faidennow to umount the sdcard and reformat it to btrfs13:59
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faidenwill it automaticly mount my sdcard after or do i need to edit some fstab?14:00
SK_workfaiden: SD should be automounted, however, btrfs seems to cause problems14:01
Yanielit will try to mount it when it is inserted and when booting14:01
faidenohh ok :P14:01
SK_workI use FAT32, but ext4 seems to be pretty good14:01
faidenwell I try It anyway14:01
YanielI use btrfs, no problems14:01
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Yanielexcept for its buggy handling of fs metadata14:01
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Yanielwhich means I have to rebalance it every now and then14:02
faiden/dev/mmcblk1p1 appears to contain an existing filesystem (vfat) yse -f option to force overwrite14:02
faidenI might aswell14:02
Yanielbut that applies to the phones internal memory too anyway so whatever14:02
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faidenhmm maby I should get htop to get installed14:04
faidenwhats the package manager?14:04
SK_workfaiden: pkcon for packagekit14:05
SK_workpkcon install, pkcon search name, etc.14:05
faidenahh ty kind sir14:05
SK_workfaiden: but I prefer zypper: pkcon install zypper :)14:05
faidenI might as well14:05
coderusMitakuuluu update ready to release. Please update your translation in next 3 hours to be included in next update.14:06
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faidenmaby even install zch with oh my zch14:06
faidenbut then I need git etc14:06
faidenGAH to much! need to learn UI less ssh!14:06
faidenohh yea journalctl!14:07
SK_workfaiden: zypper in git ? :)14:07
faidenneed git to intall ohmy zch14:07
Yanielzsh*14:08
faidenahh yea14:08
faidenmmm vim14:09
YanielI'm not sure I would want to do that, ohmyzsh seems to cause weird problems with a bunch of stuff14:09
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Yanieland fingerterm is... buggy14:09
faidenok14:09
faidenthats why I ask here first =D14:10
Yanielmosh is supposed to do a good job with terminal emulation but fingerterm still fails hard with that :D14:10
faidenahh14:10
Yaniel(when using irc over mosh)14:10
SK_workYaniel: ssh over usb is safer14:11
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YanielI can't really ssh to a random server over usb when I'm on the road now can I14:11
faidenYea just need to learn how to do that first so I sick with wlan for the moment14:11
faidenmmm openvpn!14:12
Yanielunless you meant the ssh over wlan vs over usb thing14:12
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Yanielof course wired connections are safer, especially when you can see the entire wire all the time :D14:12
Nicd-my Jolla is back home!14:13
Nicd-my baby <314:13
Yanielmy preciousss14:13
faidenI like the minimalistic feel of the jolla =D the volume bar as example14:13
faidenits the small things14:13
Nicd-now I have the same first-start feeling as faiden :)14:14
faiden=D Its great14:14
faidenso much todo14:14
faidenthe opportunities14:15
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faidenthere are pictures of random ppl in my jolla! DELETE!14:16
SK_workfaiden: ah, a little advertizement if you want to do some fun stuff: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9293514:17
Yanieloh right the sailor pics14:17
SK_workfaiden: they are nice sailors, keep them :)14:17
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Teme>Unlimited multitasking14:18
Temedo want ;__;14:18
faidenLooks nie SK_work i save the link and come back to it14:18
Yanielpractically it just adds new cover screens instead of hiding app covers14:18
SK_workYaniel: practically that's already something ;)14:18
SK_workI tried to write a new ListView like component that would scroll inside the view if it's big14:19
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faidenhmm I do want to save my music and videos on the SD card .. can i Symlink it to my Video folder?14:19
SK_workit's hard14:19
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Yanielyou don't need to symlink it14:19
SK_workfaiden: create the same hiearchy on SD card14:19
Yanieltracker should add the files to gallery automatically14:19
SK_worka Music folder for example14:19
Yaniel...unless something flipped the switch for you too14:20
TemeYaniel: well practically that is what it needs to do for all open apps to be accessible :D14:20
faidenohh thats nice SK_work14:20
gexcsymlinking the Picture dir seems to wipe all my ambiences :-/14:20
phaeronstrictly speaking you don't need to create the same hierarchy. the whole sd card is indexed14:21
faidenindexed how?14:21
Yanielby tracker14:21
SK_workphaeron: good to know14:21
Yanielwhich basically builds a db of the "relevant" files on the device14:21
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SK_workI usually create the same hiearchy, 1. in case tracker is dumb, 2. because I want to be organized :)14:22
faidenthe phone got a "tracker" then14:22
faidenaha its searched the phone for audio and stuff14:22
phaerontracker is used only for metadata indexing14:22
Yanielthe same tracker used by fedora for example14:22
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faidenSo I can start put my openvpn files in the same location and start the service just as I would on a pc?14:27
Yanielpretty much14:27
faidenIntressting14:28
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faidenhmm how do i reboot phone from the UI?14:51
faidenbutton it is14:52
maddlerthere is a reboot app in openrepo14:52
maddleras far as I remember14:52
maddleror in the store14:52
slettafaiden: also in the standard store. “Lighthouse” has it under “phone controls”14:53
faidenahh ty I will search for it14:53
faidenwas like wtf how do i turn it off at first14:53
Yanielhold the power button?14:54
faidenyea that worked14:55
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Yanieloh and if you are on the lockscreen you have to hold it down much longer than on the homescreen14:56
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faidenhmmm14:57
phaeronYaniel: that's a gard poweroff. not recommended unless phone is hung14:58
phaeron*hard14:58
Yanielon the lockscreen?14:58
YanielI guess14:58
faidenhmm systemctl start openvpn@profile.serice not working ;(14:58
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phaeronYaniel: yes , unlock then poweroff14:59
Yanielnod14:59
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phaeronlockscreen is by design meant to prevent interaction with phone14:59
phaeron:)14:59
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Yanielehe14:59
maddlerthat would be an actionscreen instead15:00
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faidenis there a trick to start openvpn with systemd?15:09
faidenworks from cmd line with openvpn --config profile but not systemctl start openvpn@profile15:10
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faidenguess i start it manualy each time instead15:14
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SK_workany MMS experts out there ?15:17
SK_workbecause I'm failing in receiving and sending MMSes.15:17
SK_workit used to work at some point.15:17
SK_workAP didn't changed15:17
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faidenhow do I removethe tutorial?15:26
SK_workfaiden: zypper se tutorial15:27
SK_workyou will find the packages15:27
SK_workand then, feel free to remove them.15:27
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faidenahh tyvm15:28
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TMavica@arcean any progress of porting exnote and Sketchit to sailfish?15:47
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arceanTMavica: sketchit is almost ready, next in queue is camdrive ;)15:49
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TMavicaGOOD!15:53
TMavicaGood to see you in Jolla.15:53
faidenIs there a easy way to change the background and the colors of menus etc ?15:56
faidenand not usinga  preset15:56
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faidenbest sailfish apps16:00
faiden?16:00
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dr_gogeta86http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/blog/2014/05/16/qa-pete-lau-oneplus-launch-one16:03
dr_gogeta86how to begin hate qualcomm16:03
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Stskeepswhy?16:04
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dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, ARSE-KISSERS16:06
dr_gogeta86thats all16:06
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* gexc finds the data counter get reset automatically this month16:07
faenilfaiden, that's what ambiance does, it changes the colours16:08
Jennyhhey, what kind of cool other halves are there that can be bought already?16:09
faenilfaiden, I think there's an ambiance modder by SK_work iirc, if you want to use your custom colours16:09
faenilJennyh, aloe/black/poppyred16:09
faidenahh tnx faenil I check it out16:09
Jennyhyeah, but any that aren't by jolla?16:10
Jennyhlike the Lastu "skin"16:10
faenildon't know :)16:10
Jennyhhmm16:10
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SK_workfaenil: nope there is not16:18
SK_workmine was just for fun for the sdk16:18
faenilSK_work, didn't you make one?16:18
faenilah!16:18
SK_workfaenil: I'm thinking in making one16:18
SK_workbecause it's just some gconf keys16:18
faenilI see16:18
SK_workbut will probably wait for next update16:18
faenil;)16:19
SK_workas I thought about doing some more hacks (light background and dark text)16:19
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coderusMitakuuluu update ready to release. Please update your translation in next 1 hour to be included in next update.16:24
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khertan_My jolla become hot again, checking usage, pulseaudio eating 15-16% cpu, i m just listening some mp3, it look like a bit height to me16:32
SK_workkhertan_: Jolla playing music here, not hot16:33
SK_work15-16% CPU seems normal16:33
khertan_is there a way to check temp16:34
khertan_?16:34
SK_workkhertan_: I use lighthouse (on store)16:35
SK_workit gives CPU tmp16:35
SK_worktemp16:35
SK_work(as well as process info)16:35
SK_workpretty handy16:35
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faenilkhertan_, looking it out for you16:37
faenilkhertan_, via dbus16:38
faenilcom.nokia.thermalmanage16:38
faenilmanager16:38
faenilget_thermal_state16:38
faenil;)16:38
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khertan__55C16:38
khertan__:)16:38
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khertan__55C look like hight to me16:39
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khertan__516MB used out of 831MB16:40
faenilno idea, I don't usually check temp :)16:40
khertan__faenil: that s because i didn t feel confortable with a heat in the pocket16:40
faenil:)16:40
khertan__it s already too hot here16:41
faenilyeah eheh16:41
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khertan__battery from 99% to 62% in 1h45min16:42
khertan__maybe too much use16:42
khertan__but temp going down after stoping listening music16:43
khertan__down to 42C16:43
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faenilyeah it's 42 here, with lighthouse16:44
faenil40-4216:44
khertan__while my n9 is at 28C16:45
faenilcan't really compare ...16:46
khertan__no same power indeed16:46
khertan__is there a way to downclock jolla ?16:46
khertan__sorry i lag16:46
faenilI think you just have to change frequencies used by the governor, but don't where the default values for the cpu governon are16:47
SK_workkhertan__: 55°C here too16:48
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khertan__SK_work: time for a aluminium toh :)16:49
khertan__and now owncloud 6 which return 405 for MKCOL ...16:50
khertan__owncloud is quite unstable16:50
faenilon jolla or generally speaking16:50
Kondoukhertan__: webdav?16:50
Kondouask #owncloud or #owncloud-dev :D16:50
khertan__faenil: downclock for Jolla, aluminium for jolla16:50
khertan__Kondou: yep i ll16:51
KondouI'm not that fit on the webdav end16:51
faenilkhertan__, I meant ownload :p16:51
faenilowncloud*16:51
KondouI'm only active on the frontend16:51
SK_workkhertan__: :D16:51
khertan__Kondou: but later i m in train and so lag too much16:51
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khertan__faenil: that s ownNotes which sync with ownCloud on my laptop16:52
faenilkhertan__, yes, but is the problem in Jolla, or on owncloud servic16:52
khertan__(test install, but got same result on the raspberrypy too)16:52
Kondoukhertan__: when you're home have a look at owncloud.log btw x)16:52
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khertan__faenil:no not in Jolla :) in my apps or service :)16:53
faenilok ;)16:53
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khertan__pb probably in my apps (which run on Jolla)16:53
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SK_workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPx5WmBncIQ <-- Tizen UI, pretty snappy but so Android16:55
faidenI Wish someone could do a Telgram app16:58
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SK_workfaiden: it mgiht come earlier than expected17:00
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SK_workthere is someone doing this for a KDE GSOC17:00
SK_workwoith telepathy integration17:00
SK_workso ... :)17:01
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faidenI Wish someone could do a Telegram app17:06
faidenwoops mt17:06
faidenaww now my gallery wont start , it keeps crashing QQ17:06
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faenilfaiden, updated to update5 already?17:06
faidenbut tahts good to know SK_work keep up the good work and tnx for helping us =D17:06
faidenI updated the phone the moment i got it17:06
faenilok17:07
faeniland gallery crashes? I never never had a crazy in gallery...but I don't have an SD card17:07
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faenilso the two could be related :D17:07
faenilhad a crash*17:07
faidenhmm17:07
faiden1.0.5.1917:07
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SK_workfaiden: please do this17:07
SK_workopen terminal (or better ssh from computer)17:07
SK_workdevel-su --privileged17:08
SK_work(enter "root" pwd)17:08
SK_workjolla-gallery17:08
faidengood idea17:08
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faidenI can open it from terminal but crashes when i klick the app17:10
SK_workfaiden: then do this17:10
faenileheh17:10
SK_workas root (not privileged)17:10
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SK_workjournactl -fa /usr/bin/jolla-gallery17:10
SK_workand open17:10
SK_workand check strange messages17:10
faidenok 1 mom need to open a ssh session for that17:12
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SK_workfaiden: wild guess17:13
SK_workkillall jolla-gallery17:13
SK_workand restart ?17:13
faidentrue17:13
faidenyea that was simpler =)17:14
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faidenworks now ty =D need to remember that17:15
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SK_workfaiden: it shouldn't have happened17:16
faidenI bet I will find loads of things like this "that shouldnt have happend"17:16
faidenThe phone is great It's just me that like to experiment17:17
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Morpog_PC__it took me a few days/weeks to realise that SK_work is sfiet_konstantin :D17:24
faenilLOL17:24
Morpog_PC__i thought we got a new active community member who is always at work :D17:25
faidenI had my suspicions17:25
faenilMorpog_PC__, ahah :)17:26
faenilDay 230: nobody noticed I'm sfiet, everything is alright17:26
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kimmoli_sailing_sk has too many nicks...17:29
* kimmoli_sailing_ pokes tbr17:31
tbrkimmoli_sailing_: tnx, will have a look now17:32
kimmoli_sailing_oukkis, no rush. have to do some cad17:32
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Morpog_PC__lol faenil17:33
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faidenhmm swiping from lock/homescreen wont take me to ambiance menu like they say in the youtube video. Did they change this?17:40
Temeyou need to make more than one ambience17:41
faidenhehe ok17:41
Temeso go to gallery and favorite them from the star17:41
Temestill some pitfalls there :P17:41
faidenI noticed you can DL your own image and set colors as you wish! Time to loadup the gimp!17:42
faidenI also want to remove my mobile network from the top of my lockscreen17:42
faidenMinimalistic ftw!17:42
faidenIf i uninstall a app will there be any "leaftovers" from it?17:45
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faidenI want it to be clean17:45
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tbrkimmoli: can you please check if mount -t cifs or mount.cifs works?17:49
kimmolimom17:50
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kimmolimount -t cifs did not return anything17:51
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tbrkimmoli: because smbmount seems to be deprecated and removed. mount -t cifs being the successor17:52
kimmolibut its not in /proc/filesystems17:53
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tbrmh, so what's missing then?17:54
tbractually the package seems to contain smbmount... o.O17:54
StskeepsCONFIG_CIFS ?17:54
tbrso a kernel module?17:54
Stskeepspossibly yeah17:54
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phdeswerthat module should be there17:55
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tbrthen "mount -t cifs //foo.bar/mount/ /mnt/baz" should "just work™"17:55
Stskeepsphdeswer: in .config?17:55
phdeswerStskeeps: yep. Checked it immediately as I was pretty sure we had it17:56
Stskeepsk17:56
faidenI wish that you could set what order the apps stay on the homescreen. Like a lock.17:56
FireFlyI agree17:57
faidenAlos wish that if you have 3 apps open then 1 of the 3 got doubble size17:57
FireFlyactually, I think I suggested or voted for that on tjc17:57
FireFlyeh, dunno about that :P17:57
faidenor that you can choose the size of the apps and if you have several scroll through them17:57
faidensay 1 app on each "homescreen"17:58
faidenso you can choose the "layout"17:58
Stskeepsfaiden: btw, write down your first impressions17:58
Stskeepsi'd be interested in reading17:58
faidenwhooeee17:58
faidenOk I open a textfile17:58
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Stskeepsalso17:59
Stskeepsi hope you updated to latest version first17:59
faidenFirst thing i did17:59
Stskeepsgood17:59
kimmolitbr: cant find blaablaa in /etc/fstab18:00
Stskeepsmaybe you need mount.cifs ..?18:00
Stskeepsat a rough guess18:01
tbrI'll try on my phone18:01
FireFlyHmm18:01
FireFlyI wonder if the rounded app cover corners that broke in 1.0.4.20 will be fixed next update18:01
faidenThe gallery needs a search functionj18:01
kimmolitrying again18:01
kimmolitbr works18:02
kimmolihad to -o username18:03
tbr:)18:03
tbryes18:03
tbrdepending on your server that might be necessary18:03
Nicd-hey, since when has the charging led been blue? it used to be white18:03
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tbrstill white for me18:03
Stskeepsdoesn't it follow ambience or something like that..18:04
Stskeeps?18:04
Nicd-it never did for me18:04
FireFlyWhite for me too18:04
Nicd-but now it was blue when I got this from optima18:04
FireFlyflashing blue means "received IM/SMS" I think18:05
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FireFlyhm18:05
kimmoliha, now i dont need to copy rpm to phone, i can just pkcon install-local them over share18:05
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FireFlythat reminds me of another thing..18:05
Nicd-FireFly: but it was constant and I had no sms18:05
* kimmoli wish i had some popcorn to pass to tbr :P18:05
FireFlyDunno then18:06
tbr:>18:06
tbrkimmoli: now for bonus points, someone will write a UI around mount.cifs, maybe steal some of the smb4k browsing code, ... one can dream18:06
Gordon`argh, the reboots are back!18:08
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Gordon`I was typing an SMS, then the phone crashed. I powered on, then after one minute, it rebooted18:09
Stskeepsdid you contact care?18:09
Gordon`I followed the advice given here, and put a piece of paper to maintain the battery in place18:09
Gordon`Stskeeps: not yet. Can I send useful information about the crashes?18:10
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Nicd-well, it's no longer white18:12
Nicd-*blue18:13
Nicd-it's white now18:13
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StskeepsGordon`: if you have shutdowns or reboots, contact care18:21
Sail0rand they say send it in :-/ try the paper trick before helped for me18:22
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faidenOk think I got first day down do you want the impression now Stskeeps or wait for more content ?18:26
faidenIt's just words and thought fast put down18:26
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pdanekhttp://youtu.be/Ci6lMQNLKZU18:26
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Stskeepsfaiden: wait a week or so18:27
faidenalright I keep adding18:27
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pdanekOk ignore what I have sent above please, pretty offtopic, instead a great vid from Zogg: http://youtu.be/BhnqddmFTAg18:33
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Gordon`Sail0r: I did the paper trick. And no reboots, since 2 today18:58
Yanielno reboots since I did it either18:59
YanielI took a postIt note, folded it once and it's been working fine19:00
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netzviehanyone here using textsecure on the jolla?19:36
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Gorithhow I can send a pic as mms and choose another number of contact than default?19:48
tigeliGorith: if contact has more than one number the dialog will ask which one to use when creating mms19:49
coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.5. Privacy settings, new fancy QuickScroll, fixies DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.519:50
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pdanekWhatsApp everywhere... where's the Viber :P19:51
Gorithtigeli: it is not19:51
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tigeliGorith: is the other number listed as "mobile phone"19:52
tigeliGorith: or actually both19:52
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Gorithtigeli: ok, my bad there is only one number, but there should have been two... anyway, it probably asking it19:56
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tigeliGorith: :) np19:57
Gorithsecond number is where the number went (is it me or something else)19:57
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Gorithsecond question19:57
Gorithbut thanks anyway19:57
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coderusJust forgot to introduce one feature of Mitakuuluu v0.7.5: It can import your Android WhatsApp account data!19:58
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artemmacoderus: thanks for MitaKuuluu. Real useful, I am actually communicating with it almost as much as via SMS (I am not very talkative though)20:01
Gorithok, I think it is about me and transferring number from droid, somewhere between second number has been lost20:01
artemmacoderus: once in a while jolla crash logger reports that mitakuuluu server crashed. Would crash dumps make any use for you?20:01
coderusartemma: using v0.7.520:02
coderus?20:02
Stskeepsif he keeps debuginfo, i'd presume so20:02
artemmacoderus: umm.. not sure, whatever is the last public version20:02
coderusartemma: just updated to v0.7.520:02
artemmaoh wait, did I get it from openrepos..20:02
coderusficed some crashes here20:02
coderusfixed*20:02
coderusit had huge kosyak with offline notifications causing server to crash :)20:03
artemmaI have no problem with that it sometimes crashes - things happen. My question is whether it makes sense to send crash dumps to somewhere20:03
coderusfixed that ugly code out :D20:03
coderusartemma: i can upload debuginfo packages for you if you want to do so20:03
coderusbut you should also explain how to use your crash reports :D20:04
artemmaI don't quite get how it would help :/20:04
artemmaah, okay, I don't know much about it either20:04
artemmaI think you apply some magic tool to crash dump + map file (or whatever it is called in qt) and it transforms crash dump into a readable crash stack + maybe some logs20:05
coderusartemma: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kyo4tzo7298lkkg/AABuPQvW13PucZCv5Unhl6-Va20:05
artemmaStskeeps should know. I think I've got crash logger from him20:05
coderusartemma: i tjink i can load it into gdb and backtrace it?20:05
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coderusStskeeps: ^ ?20:05
artemmaSorry, I really don't know. Had impression that you might know this stuff20:05
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artemmaI was only collecting some crashlogs for Stskeeps (I think it was Stskeeps), he was doing further analysis20:06
coderusartemma: so, i think you can send it to me after installing debuginfo package20:08
artemmaI don't quite get how debuginfo would influence that :/20:08
artemmacrash dumps are collected whenever any process crashes20:09
artemmadebuginfo might be useful for processing crash dump maybe20:09
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coderusartemma: it should use process debuginfo afaik for replacing stack functions with its names20:09
specialassuming this is the tool I think it is20:09
specialsend the .rcore.lzo file20:09
artemmaspecial: yep, I think lzo things is what it generates20:10
coderusspecial: is it same dump i cal load into gdb and backtrace ?20:10
specialit can be extracted with rich-core-extract, which is in ..some mer-tools package I think20:10
specialprobably sp-rich-core20:10
artemmawould be cool if somebody could make an article or blog post about how to use it ;)20:10
specialthat will give you a bunch of files, journal and package info, and the coredump is in there20:10
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artemmaand where/how to get the tool. I've got it directly from Stskeeps (or maybe it was special ?)20:10
specialI think it's mostly an internal tool at the moment? I don't know20:11
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kimmolirich-core-extract20:11
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artemmawell, it could be useful to make it public20:12
artemmafor people like coderus20:12
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* artemma imagines even some automatic tool for beta testers that would automagically upload Mitakuuluu crashes to coderus, Quick Launcher crashes to artemma , etc :)20:13
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artemmasuch automagic thing is probably beyond Jolla's scope, but some 3rd party dev could create it and base app->dev mapping e.g. on chum repos20:14
specialthere can be quite a bit of personal information included in the dumps.20:14
kimmoliafaik it is just routing the reports to correct person/place in internet20:14
kimmolithat needs to have privacy, yes20:15
artemmaspecial: sure, that would be only for beta testers willing to be, well, beta-testers20:15
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artemmaanyway, such automation would be for a proper beta testing service such as TestFlight in iOS world20:15
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artemmaI guess things like that will be created naturally when/if there's certain amount of commercial development for Sailfish20:16
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faidensending with jolla through openvpn to znc :)20:17
M4rtinKartemma: like what Abrt does in Fedora & RHEL ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_reporter#ABRT_-_Automated_Bug-Reporting_Tool20:18
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artemmaHow TestFlight works is that it basically installs top exception handler for your app and then sends crash dumps to home base20:18
artemmaM4rtinK: yeah, something like this20:19
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artemmaexcept that in commercial world it is certainly on the app-specific basis, not for whole system20:19
artemmaand for beta testers no explicit confirmation is needed20:19
M4rtinKwell, that could be configured I guess20:20
M4rtinKalso Abrt does some sanitisation IIRC20:20
artemmaJolla is different. OpenSource image is a big attraction here, so some Sailfish-wide solution for all packages verifiedenough to be e.g. in chum could be welcome20:21
M4rtinKbut you can tell it to send the full dump20:21
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M4rtinKwell, even stuff like "hey, AppFoo 3.14 just crashed" reported automatically would be useful20:22
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M4rtinKif the application did not crash before but starts crashing at once20:22
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artemmayeah. Would be good to have some manual process first though :)20:22
M4rtinKafter an update or system update20:22
* artemma hopes for some blog post or article or wiki page on how to use some sample tool(s) for collecting and analyzing your crashes from the users20:23
M4rtinKartemma: sure, first things first :)20:23
M4rtinKartemma: I'm just nothing what is already there and might be useful vs writing everything from the ground up :)20:24
artemmawell, Jolla has at least some tool already working. It's just not public20:24
artemmaor just not promoted maybe20:24
Stskeepsspecial: not internal, just config20:27
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mornfallanother reboot20:29
mornfallindicator showing 0% battery20:29
mornfallshutdown20:29
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mornfall(booting)20:30
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mornfall16% after a boot20:31
Stskeepscontact care?20:32
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specialStskeeps: quick-feedback though?20:34
pdanek1mornfall: I had same issues, battery status is useless20:35
mornfallStskeeps: I didn't want to hear that. :|20:35
mornfallalso, journal is wiped on reboot... meh20:35
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pdanek1mornfall: almost always when I reboot the phone, battery level is different from the one before reboot20:36
pdanek1mornfall: but I stopped caring about it, let me see if it happens after latest update too....20:37
pdanek1mornfall: ok I can't check, my battery level is too high at the moment20:38
faidentime to change the hostfile to remove comercial!20:39
phlixi_how about less rebooting for longer battery life :D20:39
M4rtinKmornfall: well, it is not wiped :)20:41
M4rtinKmornfall: it is just never written to persistent storage in the first place :)20:41
artemmaphlixi_: rebooting is an integral part for connection handover for some people here ;)20:42
M4rtinKmornfall: but you can set it to be persistent, see: https://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/20:42
* artemma often reboots manually to fix connection, some people reboot automatically due to that bad battery contact20:42
phlixi_move less :D20:42
AlmAckcoderus: hi, first thank you for mitäkuuluu app, really a beautifull sailfish app. I updated 20min ago with 0.7.5-1 but now I'm not able anymore to open a conversation. If I press it I see the color that change, but the editing page is not showed, it remains on the main page.20:42
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pdanek1connection issues here too, sometimes I just need to reboot20:43
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pdanek1restarting networking service could help, but reboot does the job20:44
pdanek1fortunately Jolla boots blazing fast!20:44
AlmAckI can confirm, same here20:44
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mornfallpdanek1: blazing fast? you sure?20:48
pdanek1mornfall: well faster than my previous Android20:49
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mornfallpdanek1: yup, it's faster than a slug :D20:49
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mornfallI don't think it boots faster than my laptop though...20:50
pdanek1is iPhone 5s faster?20:50
mornfallno idea20:50
pdanek1my laptop boots VERY slow20:50
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mornfallpdanek1: you need an SSD :P20:53
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phdeswerUsually not starting so much stuff helps too...20:54
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pdanek1It's corporate version of RHEL 6.5, a bit bloated, I keep it in almost default state, not touching it much, running on standard disk, whole disk encryption on top of that20:56
pdanek1boot is very slow20:56
pdanek1I mean, customized company version20:56
pdanek1I want FreeBSD 10 on my laptop! :D20:57
M4rtinKLUKS can slow down hard disk bandwidth quite a bit20:57
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pdanek1indeed20:57
M4rtinKnewer CPUs with hardware encryption accelerations help, but on an older machine it can be noticeable20:58
mornfallpdanek1: for a moment I thought we are colleagues :-P20:58
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M4rtinKBTW, my boot:21:00
M4rtinKsystemd-analyze21:00
M4rtinKStartup finished in 1.794s (kernel) + 1.598s (initrd) + 2.966s (userspace) = 6.358s21:00
M4rtinKcould still be better, but still a bit faster than Jolla :)21:01
M4rtinKoh, systemd-analyze is available in the Sailfish OS repos! :)21:04
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mornfallM4rtinK: I think big chunks of the boot are spent pre-kernel and post-login on Jolla21:05
M4rtinKok then, calling systemd-analyze on my Jolla:21:05
M4rtinKStartup finished in 4424ms (kernel) + 68555ms (userspace) = 72980ms21:05
mornfallok, that's a *lot*21:05
specialit might be overestimating21:06
specialwe have a lot of things in the user session.21:06
faidenhmm where are the ambience pictures located?21:06
M4rtinKand this is sytemd-analyze blame:21:06
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M4rtinKhttp://privatepaste.com/d9b9d2deac21:06
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pdanek1mornfall: why colleagues? :O21:08
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mornfallM4rtinK: interesting, is user-session@ the post-login chunk?21:09
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M4rtinKmornfall: no idea ? :)21:10
phdeswerWeird. I think systemd-analyze is quite buggy. Some stuff there do not sound correct and it is missing some services...21:10
mornfallalso, mount-sd... probably waiting for an overlong timeout21:10
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phdeswer259ms init-done.service And afaik this is just a systemd signal...21:11
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M4rtinKand there is the boot graph svg it spits out:21:16
M4rtinKhttp://www.modrana.org/misc/jolla_boot_graph.svg21:16
M4rtinK:)21:16
faidenis it worth it increasing the gpu govenor?21:16
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phdeswerM4rtinK: interesting to see, however wrong it is... I am surprised it managed to miss pulseaudio for example21:20
phdeswerand timed, profiled, ...21:21
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M4rtinKwill be interesting to see how/if the output changes with new systemd21:22
M4rtinKwell, amybe those are started later or on demand ?21:22
M4rtinKor maybe systemd-analyze just measures up to some target that is reached before these services are started21:23
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phdeswerM4rtinK: nope they are not. I just think systemd-analyze is buggy21:23
phdeswerSince some of those times don't make sense either21:23
M4rtinKyeah, could very well be21:23
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FireFlyM4rtinK: hm, how did you get the startup time down so much? especially the kernel part21:35
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.6 PROPER uploaded21:39
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M4rtinKFireFly: on my PC ?21:48
FireFlyYeah21:48
M4rtinKFireFly: mainly thanks to KINGSTON SH103S3240G :)21:49
CraigAwoogooo21:49
CraigArather, woohoo21:50
FireFlyoh.. SSD21:50
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CraigAi have my second jolla now. how do I sync contact between the devices21:50
M4rtinKadvertised as giving about 500 MB/s up and down21:51
M4rtinKand the advertised values do seem to hold in practice :)21:51
M4rtinKother than that, Fedora has a host-only initrd, which has only machine specific stuff in it so it should load and finish faster21:52
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M4rtinKalso I've killed a few services started during startup I didn't need21:53
M4rtinKsuch as the Plymouth boot screen21:54
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FireFlyHmm21:54
M4rtinKnot that it made much of a difference21:54
FireFlyI should try one of them fancy SSDs someday21:54
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M4rtinKwell, from my point of view they are finally at a price point where one does not need to make big compromises regarding the size21:56
M4rtinKthat kingston was very cheep for the huge overall speed boost it gave21:57
M4rtinKalso recently various SSH caching technologies showed up that make buying a SSD even more of a no-brainer21:58
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M4rtinKfor example bcache, dm-cache or the recently introduced lvm cache21:59
M4rtinKyou basically tell them "cache all random IO for this slow block device on this fast block device" and "skip all sequential IO to prevent the cache from being flushed all the time"22:01
M4rtinKBAM - another speedup for any remaining spinning storage even just with a small (10-20 GB) caching partition on a SSD  :)22:02
M4rtinKsome really nice stuff :)22:04
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Sailor9567hi everyone22:13
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Sailor9567lately, every time  i reboot my jolla the phone disables the 'swipe closing' shortcut and  i have  to enable  it manually, any ideas?22:15
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sledgesSailor9567: first time i hear that, would you submit a but to TJC pls?22:51
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Sailor9567ok22:52
sledges*bug :)22:52
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