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spiiroin_phdeswer: timed and profiled are in user session -> I guess that is why they do not show up in that graph04:50
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faidenDoes Jolla have support for NFC ?08:00
Nicd-yes, but it is only used for the OH08:01
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faidenwhat is the OH?08:01
Nicd-the other half08:01
faidenaha ok08:01
faidenI guess you could use it to do other things as well =D08:02
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stephgfaiden not without difficulty08:03
faidenI bet ther will eb tools later on08:03
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Morpog_Jolla_Stskeeps: maybe interesting? https://together.jolla.com/question/44563/intel-turnkey-program-for-smartphones-jolla-2-3/08:08
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Stskeepshang on08:10
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faidenNoo don't make another jolla so quickly I just got mine ><08:11
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faidenare there any proxy apps/programs for sailfish?09:16
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faidenor is there anyway to set a global proxy?09:20
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tbrfaiden: mh, the web browser will have probably a separate logic, but for system level it might be possible to cover most other software by setting environment variables09:22
tbrnot sure about Qt/QML and where to set proxy settings for that09:23
faidenhmm ok ty tbr09:23
tbrhave you checked network settings yet?09:23
faidenyea found nothing there09:23
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Stskeepsdear lazyirc.. if you recall a situation within the last 1-3 months, can you reliably recall the name(s) of people involved in the situation, if you got told their names?09:24
Stskeepsduring the situation/or before09:24
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tbrhuh?09:24
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tbrwhich situation though?09:24
Stskeepsin any kind really.. let's say, you were at a resturant with people09:25
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Stskeepsi'm brewing on an idea and pondering how other people's minds work :)09:25
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Stskeepsfor example i can recall a situation and recall who was in that situation fairly decently09:25
tbryes09:25
ggabrieli'd say yes09:26
ggabrielbut I admit that when nicknames are too similar, I get confused09:26
tbrmost of the time this ends in me building an ugly pipe of greps ;)09:26
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ggabrielalso depends on the level of participation09:26
ggabrielso, if you're having a discussion with 3 others, it's easy, while with 15 others it's a bit more challenging09:27
Stskeepswell, one or two should be enough09:27
ggabrielyou probably mean in order to go back in the logs09:27
ggabrieli often go lazy and do what tbr does tho09:28
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ggabrielwhatever i remember first, i start grepping, that can be keywords, nicks, dates, all of the above09:28
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tbrobviously doesn't work for reallife™, unless you have google glass and make it transcribe everything, supercreepy09:28
* Stskeeps patens09:28
Stskeeps+t09:28
Stskeeps;)09:29
* ggabriel gets aircrack-ng on the jolla so kick out gglass people from wifi09:29
tbrStskeeps: prior art on IRC established, you can now only file in the US09:29
Stskeepshehe09:29
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gexcfaiden: try iptables09:36
faidenhmm ok I give it a try09:37
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dr_gogeta86https://developer.here.com/native-apis10:02
dr_gogeta86Sigh Sigh :'-(10:02
ppdr_gogeta86: you probably have to pay them a 5-6 digit sum to be listed there :-)10:04
Stskeepsmoney don't buy you love10:04
Stskeeps:P10:04
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dr_gogeta86but solves problems ....still remember10:04
dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, need to bring portable hotspot with me today ?10:05
Stskeepshum>?10:05
dr_gogeta86upgrade10:06
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dr_gogeta86I've already asked to my company to enable lte on my sim10:06
Stskeepsah, i wouldn't know10:06
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Stskeepsi'm a useless researcher10:06
Stskeeps:P10:06
ggabriellol10:07
ggabrieljune's just started10:07
dr_gogeta86useless10:07
ggabrielare we going to have a "where is the update?" conversation every day?10:07
dr_gogeta86i don't think so10:07
dr_gogeta86ggabriel, i've gently asked10:07
dr_gogeta86I'm not lobbyist10:07
ggabrieldr_gogeta86: yeah, that's cool10:07
dr_gogeta86i'm still using debian10:08
dr_gogeta86:-D10:08
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ggabrielyeah, sorry about that10:08
Nicd-someone needs to register isthenextsailfishosupdateoutyet.com10:09
javispedroouch, this update is heavy to download, anyone has been able to finish it?10:09
Stskeepswhat update..10:09
Nicd-javispedro: don't be mean10:09
javispedroaaaawww10:09
javispedro;P10:09
ggabrieljavispedro: i managed it10:09
ggabrielbut i have a fttc internet connection10:09
ggabrieland sooper dooper wireless10:10
javispedroI too have fiber to the craphouse :)10:11
ggabrieljavispedro: switch off bluetooth, maybe you left it on ;-)10:11
* javispedro always has bluetooth on10:12
javispedrotoday I can see $SOMEONES_FULLNAME's iMac from here10:12
ggabrielthat's why the download is so slow then10:12
ggabrielanyway, let's stop trolling10:12
javispedroI ponder who thought at Apple a good default BT name would be $FULLNAME's iMac10:13
ggabrielI ponder who thought at Apple10:14
javispedrotouché.10:14
phdeswerjavispedro: what did you expect from a company that is in bed with the NSA?10:14
kimmoliNicd-: +1 ... it is available  isthenextsailfishosupdateoutyet.com10:15
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dr_gogeta86meanwhile listen to TOOL- Aenima10:22
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kimmoli:) noticed just that in harbour app comments shows which version you have (had) when commenting, it shows my locally installed developing version, which is higher than harbour version...10:24
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dr_gogeta86kimmoli, any advance in i2c ?10:52
dr_gogeta86I've read about isn't multi tennant10:52
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kimmoliyes, that is an issue.11:02
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kimmolii would not like to add layer which through the comms go there, as usually you have only one toh (meaning only one app/daemon running) connected at once.11:04
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kimmolimaybe simple dbus api; tohBusRequest > Granted; Denied; Daemons must be requested to release bus when e.g. application wants to use it - or something11:09
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Stskeepsanybody with a retail jolla that can give me a ssu lr?11:41
Sail0rdone11:44
Stskeepsthanks11:44
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gabriel9|workis there some update? :)11:49
netzviehsoon™11:54
Nicd-Stskeeps: you need more samples?11:54
Stskeepsnah i'm good11:54
Nicd-sniff, I missed my chance to be useful11:55
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dr_gogeta86ahahaha12:01
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javispedroupdate 1.0.7.22 codename "kärsimätön"12:05
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Nicd-dammit!12:05
Nicd-stop doing that!12:05
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javispedro:)12:07
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faidenThe future is soon12:10
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tbrStskeeps: btw, project ara seems to be worth a look, especially in a forward facing future outlook. there seems to have been a conference with 18h of video produced.12:25
Stskeepshmm, i should watch12:26
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ggabrieljavispedro: cool that you got the update, can you run android, ios and winpho applications now?12:31
javispedroI can run iOS applications12:32
javispedrowell, I can run one... barely...12:32
javispedroit involves ptrace =)12:33
ggabrielkiller feature12:33
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javispedroi'm surprised about project ara12:35
javispedroit seems that they're doing anything they can to try and prove me wrong (I said it would be vaporware)12:35
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Stskeepstbr: got a link by chance?12:43
tbrI'll ask12:43
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netzviehthis one http://www.projectara.com/ara-developers-conference/ ? (it's roughly 18hrs of video)12:53
tbr12:48:38< mdp> http://www.projectara.com12:54
tbr12:48:47< mdp> click developers conference12:54
tbryes12:54
Stskeepsthank you12:54
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faidenare there any gpg encrypted mail apps available yet?13:15
Bysmyyrandroid...13:16
faidenok but any native?13:16
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Bysmyyrone guy says here that you can use mutt (terminal program) https://together.jolla.com/question/887/gpg-for-email-and-other-stuff/13:22
faidenohh thats nice I use that normaly as well13:24
Bysmyyrthen it is ideal solution13:24
faidenJust to bad that you can't get notifications from it :(13:24
faidenmaby with some cronjob and some thing you setup yourselfe13:25
faenilfaiden, creating fake notifications is fairly easy, fwiw13:25
faidensweet13:25
Bysmyyrconfig it also normally. then normal mailprogram makes notifigations ;)13:25
faidencool13:26
faidenHave to look deeper into this when I get home13:26
faenilfaiden, https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/blob/master/tools/notificationtool/notificationtool.cpp#L5513:27
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faidenwell look at that! thats going into my bookmarks ty faenil13:29
faenilnp13:29
faenilfaenil, should be enough to "pkcon install lipstick-qt5-tools"13:29
faenilor maybe it's installed by defaults, don't remember13:30
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faidenare there any net-tools? Like ifconfig and traceroute etc?13:33
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specialfaiden: yes, mer-core13:34
faenilfaiden, I guess so13:34
faidenohh nice13:35
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faidenI feel like I should change the ssh port so I don't get bot spams13:38
SK_workfaiden: on a phone ?13:38
faidenyou never know13:38
SK_worktrue13:38
Stskeepscan happen13:38
ggabrieli'd rather have the firewall on :P13:39
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faidenWich firewall are you using ggabriel13:39
ggabrielphone's13:39
faidenwhat is it called?13:40
ggabrieliptables :)13:40
Bysmyyrit is easy to remove password login and use only rsakey? is there some trick different htan in normal linux?13:40
faidenlawl kek13:40
ggabrielBysmyyr: yes13:40
Bysmyyrwhich question is yes?13:40
ggabrielenable dev mode, ssh in, add keys, disable ssh, you can still log in with your keys13:40
faidengoing to get a proxy working with iptables13:40
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Bysmyyrggabriel: but is devel-su workiing also after that?13:41
ggabrielBysmyyr: nope, you need the password, so you install sudo13:41
ggabriel:D13:41
Bysmyyrok13:41
ggabrielneedless to say: it's your own responsibility, you can brick the phone and all htat13:42
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Bysmyyrofcource ;P13:42
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faidenhmm ipconfig works but traceroute and dig etc is not installed :P13:44
ggabrieloh, yeah, many tools missing13:44
ggabrielopenrepos may be useful13:44
ggabrielbut with extreme care13:44
ggabrielor compile yourself13:44
faidencould do that ye13:47
faenilfaiden, not installed or not in mer repos?13:47
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faidenStill not figured out what openrepos and mer repos are13:48
ggabrieli tried to find dig/host in mer-tools and didn't ifnd it13:48
faenilfaiden, so, Sailfish = Mer (core) + Nemo (middleware) + SailfishUI13:48
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faidenohh13:48
faenilfaiden, so mer repos are the official repos where the core packages come from13:48
faenilso they're installed by default13:49
faidenthats why I had a hard time finding it13:49
faenilopenrepos are 3rd party repos13:49
faenilfaiden, "ssu lr" will show you the repos your phone is using, and you'll see there's mer-core as well13:50
faidenAnd i should be carefull with those13:50
faenilyes because they could be hosting packages which replace your system ones, and lead to havok13:50
faidenouch13:50
faenilsomething was changed about that in Update4, but I don't remember details13:51
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faidenI guess all I need to do is learn ip tools13:51
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faidenhttp://linoxide.com/linux-command/use-ip-command-linux/13:51
faidenit can do almoust everything13:52
faenilfaiden, so if you type "pkcon install traceroute" it will look for it in default repos13:52
faenil(if you haven't installed any other repo)13:52
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faideni use zypper actually13:52
faenildoesn't really matter13:52
faidenye13:52
faidenI wish there was a site that had tweaks/guides ambience  tools etc13:55
faidenits so spread out atm13:55
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faidenOhh and turning off the RFC made my battery last much longer13:55
faidenI mean the NFC13:56
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faenilfaiden, I think it's turned off most of the time anyway?13:59
faenilthere's a physical trigger which handles that, iirc13:59
faidenohh14:00
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jmlichHi guys, I am looking at https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/categories/200115337 can tell the web designer to use more contrast colors or more visible font? The "submit request" button is almost invisible for me )-;14:05
Temesame for me14:06
faenilyeah, that's barely readable :/14:06
Temealso: really that cursive font?14:06
faenildon't know who works on the website though... Stskeeps ?14:07
faenilI'm sure he knows :)14:07
SK_workfaenil: stskeeps knows everything ? :D14:07
faenilindeed14:07
faidenTy btw everyone that helps us naabs with the phone =D14:08
faidenhmm ssh-copy-id works and the .ssh/autorized_keys got my PCs key in it but still asks for password when logging in..14:10
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tobiskifaiden: do you have multiple id_rsa files on your client ssh directory?14:11
tobiskiI had same problem and had to ssh-add that key to ssh-agent so it would remember it14:11
tobiskitry to ssh -i path/to/your/private_key user@host and see if it still asks for password14:12
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faidenhmm got id_ecdsa.pub and id_ecdsa14:14
faidenbut it works on all my other computers14:14
tobiski.pub is your public key which goes into that authorized keys and id_ecdsa is your private key14:15
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tobiskidid you try ssh -i path/to/your/private_key user@host?14:15
faidenbut I checked the authorized_keys and ig got the .pub one inside it14:15
tobiskiyes that should be fine14:16
faidenstill It ask for password the first time I log on QQ14:17
faidenbtw what service do i need to restart to restarts ssh?14:17
faidensshd with systemd is not running14:17
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faidenGuess I could just restart phone14:18
faidenhmm I shoudl try uncomment AuthorizedKeysFile.ssh/authorized_keys in sshd_config14:20
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faidenhmm I guess the ssh is not configured in /etc/ssh/14:23
faidenthen where do I config it?14:23
gexcisn't it in /etc/ssh ?14:24
faidenI did config a diffrent port but when restarting the phone it still using port 2214:26
gexcO_O14:26
faidensshd_config14:27
faidenthen again systemctl status sshd.service is not running14:27
faidenbut I still connect to the phone through ssh14:27
faidenso I'm like ehh14:27
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javispedrosshd.socket?14:39
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faidenhttps://together.jolla.com/question/24634/add-fail2ban-to-prevent-ssh-bruteforcing/ read this one and not sure if you can change the developer port14:40
faidenI guess you can turn of developer mode and start the sshd systemd service instead14:40
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faidenbut developer mode brings terminal and such ;(14:41
faidenahh yes and sshd.socket worked  javispedro14:42
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faidenbut still not sure how to change the port14:44
faidenhttps://together.jolla.com/question/4363/how-to-configure-sshd-to-listen-on-a-different-port/ there we go14:46
* javispedro has rlogin via bluetooth =)14:47
WntI found a website that crashes the sailfish-browser with a "Segmentation fault". How should I report this kind of potential security risk?14:48
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Wntannoying thing about this is that as the browser always opens the last opened page when launching it, it now chrashes all the time14:49
SceltWnt: disable internet and open browser then?14:49
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faenilWnt, veskuh works on the browser14:50
phdeswerWnt: and it would be good to know the website. Helps to find the bug14:51
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veskuhWnt, settings has clear private data which also forgets the history14:51
veskuhWnt, other option would be to close the browser and open some url for example from email or twitter or fb14:51
Wntluckily the chashing code of that website is not run right away when opening the url so it's possible to click on the close tab button before it crashes14:52
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veskuhWnt, URL ?14:52
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veskuhYep, I can replicate the crash. Will file the issue and we will investigate.14:53
Wntveskuh: great14:54
veskuhWnt, thanks for reporting.14:54
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.7 bugfix update. DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.715:12
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Nicd-updating :) thanks coderus!15:16
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kimmoli_sailing_has someone got issues with Sonera coverage on jolla?16:48
kimmoli_sailing_3g16:48
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tbrnot more than on other devices too16:49
kimmoli_sailing_hm, had to reboot that before data connected at all16:49
kimmoli_sailing_airplane mode toggling didnt help16:50
kimmoli_sailing_meh, not my phone16:51
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chem|stso the gsm modem is gone again... this is the first time with this version - are you guys sure this is a software issue?16:55
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Morpog_PC___wow coderus mitäkuuluu is smoother than ever! good job!17:47
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coderusMorpog_PC___: what you mean dear17:50
coderus?17:50
Morpog_PC___chat delegates17:50
Morpog_PC___scrolling view there17:50
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Morpog_PC___was laggy before, now smooth17:51
coderusemm, no. i didnt changed anything in last releases17:51
coderusplacebo17:51
Morpog_PC___maybe that new fancy scroller influences it?17:52
coderusno new fancy scroller, it was in 0.7.5 and never can see it :D17:52
coderusand nobody can see it*17:52
Morpog_PC___:D17:52
coderusMorpog_PC___: just you have more free ram now than before17:53
specialhow can there be so many devices on this couch and none of them are the one I'm looking for17:53
coderusthis the only reason i see17:53
Morpog_PC___hmm could be17:53
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coderusMorpog_PC___: delegates creatin in equal linear with free amount of ram17:53
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Morpog_PC___sounds like the reason then17:54
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netzviehspecial: you have a jedi on your couch?17:55
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pdanekhttp://chod.sk/a28a7 such a beauty!18:11
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meek_geekhello19:52
salami`hello19:54
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meek_geeksalami`, Salam19:56
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