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Sailor457hy there. someone can help me to pass the security dialog on the browser in about:config01:58
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alexxy[home]hi all!04:21
alexxy[home]any ideas why on jolla alien_audio* eats cpu04:21
alexxy[home]so jollaphone became hot?04:21
alexxy[home]its usualy happens when i use media player04:22
alexxy[home]and 3g-wifi thetering04:22
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Bysmyyrtethering makes phone hot04:26
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Quuyeah, the sounds dont eat battery05:41
Quuits the 3g share05:41
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Mnsuhas anyone noticed that jolla would continue to eat the battery more rapidly than usual even after switching off the tethering05:46
Bysmyyryes, atleast in my girlfriends phone05:47
BysmyyrI do not use it frequently05:48
Nicd-gonna test the tethering for these two days since I'm in a hospital with nothing to do05:49
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thessysomebody knows if there is some effort to bring textsecure to sailfishos?05:56
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Nicd-hmmm, anyone read the certificate warning screen in the browser?06:03
Nicd-'you have asked Nighlty to connect to...'06:03
Nicd-nightly*06:03
Stskeepshmm :)06:03
Stskeepsveskuh: ^06:04
StskeepsMnsu: yes, that's a bug06:04
MnsuStskeeps: thanks for confirming that, been wondering a bit if it is just a coincidence or my imagination :)06:06
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Nicd-also, anyone noticed the flashing when you peek?06:07
Nicd-sometimes when I peek at the homescreen from an app, it flashes the homescreen at full opacity for a millisecond right at the beginning of the peek06:08
Nicd-then it goes back to the correct opacity06:08
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Quui have seen that06:16
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Quumostly with browser06:17
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veskuhNicd-, yep, the error screens are basicly default ones from gecko tree still. We plan to replcae them with more sailfish style ones that are properly localized, but so far have not had time to do it.06:57
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stephgNicd-: also seen the flash, can't reproduce it regularly though07:41
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coderusHaa, ReviewJolla poll leaks 1.0.6.x Raatejärvi (not released) and 1.0.7.x Saapunki names http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ru/2014/06/your-review-of-jolla-phone-doing-it.html07:58
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faenilNicd-, yeah it's a known bug, it's been there forever, maybe mjones has an update about that? or w00t ?07:58
SK_workcoderus: what a leak :D07:59
Temei've been having a problem lately - after i end a phone call, the call stays "active" or something for 30-90 seconds07:59
Sceltupdateupdateupdateupdateupdate08:00
StskeepsTeme: yeah, bug :/08:00
Temeduring this time media player won't start playback for example08:00
TemeStskeeps: next update fixes?08:00
Stskeepsi can't promise, but i haven't seen the problem in ages08:00
Temedid not run into this before the last month or so :(08:00
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Temewell let's hope it goes away :) for me it's not really annoying but i guess if you know it there's a tjc and all that jazz08:01
Stskeepsi found it annoying, personally08:02
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Temeyeah it's annoying when it happens but i make or receive a call maybe once per day and it doesn't occur every time08:04
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sledgeshttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/77714021/SailingMeegon_ambiance.png09:59
faenilit's awesome :)10:01
faenilusing it :D10:01
tbram I the only one who had a flashback from that fish? http://atyafipeca.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/u-96-stnazaireauretourdemission.jpg10:04
Temepretty cute sledges :d10:04
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sledgessrc: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/114569068796906064050?cfem=110:06
sledgesfaenil: cool! tbr: lol! Teme: ;)10:06
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ggabrielha, jolla rebooted itself10:46
ggabrielinteresting10:47
ggabrieluhm... boot loop :(10:47
ggabrielok, it's back10:48
ggabrieltriggered by an email, this is kinda strange10:49
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ggabrielor maybe not10:50
ggabrielah well10:50
Stskeepscheck /var/log/systemboot.log10:51
ggabrielwas about to ;)10:51
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ggabrielit says Startup: pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_HW_SMPL10:53
ggabriel5 times10:53
ggabrieland then pwr_on_by_pwr_key10:53
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ggabrieland now it's stable10:53
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rangoyAnyone who can tell me when "early june" is?11:02
pp"very soon" :P11:02
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ggabrielrangoy: 1-14 june11:02
thargorbetween end of may and middle of june11:03
ggabriel15 is mid june11:03
ggabriel16-30 is late june11:03
ggabrielbeautifully simple, almost like an apple product11:03
rangoyOk.. so the update will arrive late in early june? ie. 14.june?11:04
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ggabrieli don't know about that11:05
ggabrielso far, i heard june update11:05
rangoyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/11:05
ggabrielok, so then i'll expect it between the 1st and 14th :)11:06
ggabrielbut i'm not really bothered11:06
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ppI'm guessing might even be tomorrow afternoon, it's been on a Friday quite many times11:10
kimmolifirady 13th is coming11:15
* rangoy is an update addict11:16
kimmoli*friday11:16
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ppyay, a bunch of openssl zero-days, I smell a small delay :-)11:45
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tbrhumh?11:48
pphttps://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt11:49
Jope_<311:59
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HtheBStskeeps: o/12:42
Stskeepshello, connection laggy12:43
HtheBhi, how are you?12:43
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Stskeepsi'm good thanks12:44
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HtheBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfOjkB17BA12:44
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ggabriellol12:46
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Temedoes jolla support class 10 sdhc cards ?13:07
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* tbr still hasn't heard about unsupported cards, at all13:09
phdeswerTeme: it should yes13:09
Temecool13:09
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Temeand with the designated speed? i mean it probably supports it but i could imagine some devices only being able to do lower speed class I/O, but still being able to support higher speed class cards13:10
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pdanekhttp://www.jollatides.com/2014/06/04/your-review-of-jolla-phone-doing-it-together/15:06
pdanekYour current system (see: Settings -> System -> About product -> "Sailfish OS")15:06
pdanekHow can I enable EPEL or something? I order to get higher version.15:06
specialEPEL?15:08
pdaneklol15:08
pdaneksorry15:08
SK_workextra package for entreprise linux15:08
pdanekI slept like 4 hours last night15:08
pdanekI'm zombie15:08
SK_work(redhat stuff)15:08
pdaneksome early adapter.15:09
pdanekyes15:09
pdanek:D15:09
SK_workyou have to be chosen by some Jolla gods15:09
SK_workpdanek: well ...15:09
specialthere is no public beta program15:09
pdanekEven if I gave up warranty etc.15:11
pdanekI can't get to beta somehow?15:11
pdanek:/15:11
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specialwell, strange things can happen if you suck up to Aard enough15:15
specialit got me hired ;)15:15
* Aard regrets nothing! especially not the huge amounts of free labour I got out of it :p15:15
SK_workspecial: ha, didn't knew you harassed Aard to get hired :)15:16
specialnah, not quite like that15:17
specialI seduced him with code15:17
SK_workseduction by code15:17
SK_workthat must be some pretty code15:17
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ggabrielhopefully not this "pretty" http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=4521315:19
ggabriel(yes, you know what it is!)15:19
* Nav just saw an "update available" notification and got all excited, then realised it was just for a couple of apps :-(15:20
SK_workggabriel: https://github.com/mame/quine-relay15:20
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SK_workggabriel: https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/blob/master/QR.rb15:21
ggabrielsounds simple15:21
ggabrieli'm inclined to say that writing a [insert your least favourite closed protocol IM] client is more useful15:22
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specialggabriel: better yet, talk to me and figure out how to get it in the built-in messaging client ;)15:27
ggabrielcoderus sholud be talking to you for his whatsapp client :P15:28
ggabrieli'm an xmpp promoter fwiw15:28
coderusggabriel: ?15:28
ggabrielactually, i don't know if coderus's whatsapp client is already integrated15:28
ggabrielcoderus: nothing important, just chitchatting :)15:29
coderusggabriel: i didnt read backlog15:29
coderusggabriel: so please quick introduce what are you talking about :)15:29
ggabrielcoderus: is your whatsapp client integrated in the sailfish messaging framework?15:30
SK_workcoderus: ggabriel would love to have mitakuluu integrated in telepathy15:30
ggabriel(like sms/xmpp and all those)15:30
SK_work(in short)15:30
ggabrielyeah, that15:30
ggabrielactually, i don't use it, i don't mind15:30
ggabrielbut it'd be nice/seamless for the rest who do use it15:30
coderusggabriel: no, until sailfish gui have no MUC support15:30
ggabrielah, that was it15:30
coderusyes15:31
specialit will be coming, in time..15:31
coderusit quiite easy to do15:31
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Nicd-can I change jolla wireless AP channel somehow?15:40
Nicd-I get almost full 3G coverage but tethering speed is terrible15:40
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SK_workNicd-: check connman DBus API ? :)15:41
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Nicd-well if there's no easy answer then I'll just let it be15:42
Nicd-I'm in the hospital so not going to start hardcode hacking :P15:43
PlntNicd-: maybe using "iwconfig wlan0 channel XX" from terminal but hard to say if that will work15:43
Plntbut i guess you already tried this15:43
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Nicd-nope15:44
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Nicd-hehe, I just had to get closer to the phone16:02
Nicd-seems wlan is as finicky as bluetooth sometimes16:03
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pdanek1camera cover glass on my Jolla back cover, is moving a bit -> when I try to move it side to side16:08
pdanek1weak glue16:08
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Turskipdanek1: solution: do not move camera class16:14
pdanek1:D16:15
pdanek1I often touch/press/play with my phone in locked state16:15
pdanek1so every piece must be stiff :D16:15
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Nicd-tethering working nicely now :)16:36
Nicd-getting 1.5 MB/s easy16:36
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locusf4g?16:41
Nicd-3G16:45
Nicd-think the contract has 21M limit16:45
locusfnice16:46
locusfI got my 50KB/s internet chugging as I don't yet have my adsl installed16:46
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Turskiis there any solutions mms stream playing?17:03
Turskilooks like mediaplayer can't handle them17:03
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nodevel17:15
Nicd-17:16
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Stskeeps&^@#17:21
Stskeeps:P17:21
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javispedro&nbsp;17:39
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javispedrobtw guys I see that qemu already has an implementation of the "crazy vfat emulator"17:39
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javispedromaybe it can already be used so that the "crazy windows vfat driver" can corrupt all your files via usb mass storage!17:40
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sharpneliOh Jolla. Y u boot.17:46
Stskeepsboot?17:47
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Nicd-das boot17:48
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Morpog_PChttp://abload.de/img/previewzfkd6.jpg18:13
kimmoliMorpog_PC: https://i.imgflip.com/9cx6c.jpg18:15
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Morpog_PC:D18:16
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faiden*shakes fist* I thought a new update was out18:24
faidenhmm wonder If i should remove screen and install tmux instead but, tha means  need to build it myselfe18:24
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Nicd-tmux is life18:25
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faidendoes jolla have a better mediaplayer? Like one that i can add folders and not by albums and artists18:46
faidenmost of my music is Uknown artist18:46
Morpog_PCfaiden well, tag them18:49
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faidenawww takes to long and to much work18:49
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Morpog_PCmost players nowadays work like that unfortunately18:49
faidenQQ18:50
Morpog_PCit's a one time work ;)18:50
kimmolifolders are so 199518:50
Morpog_PCthere are tools out there that help you18:50
HtheBkimmoli: you are so 190018:50
faidenIf I won't stand up against it who will!!18:50
faidendirectorys then kimmoli  ?18:51
HtheB(what folders are you talking about guys :p)18:51
pdanekadd by folders instead of albums and artists is how A LOT of people still do it18:51
pdanek(08:46:33 PM) faiden: does jolla have a better mediaplayer? Like one that i can add folders and not by albums and artists18:52
faidenyea I meant directorys18:52
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pdaneksure, folder, directory, the same18:52
HtheBoh, yes! I always structure my music with directories!18:52
HtheBI hate the apple way....18:52
pdanekI agree, every media player should have option to play folder18:52
faidenaye, should be simple to add I guess18:52
Morpog_PCwell, I do both, directory AND tags18:53
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faidenhardcore18:53
HtheBhaha18:53
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Morpog_PC:)18:53
HtheBfaiden: You should try out the awesome music player for harmattan18:53
faidensome ppl like to have cover art and tags etc, How am I to see that when It's in my pocket?18:53
HtheBQuasarMX18:53
faidenwhats harmattan?18:53
HtheBfaiden: troll?18:53
faidenno got my jolla 2 days ago18:54
FireFlyI do both too18:54
Morpog_PCand you missed the N9?18:54
HtheBhmm, most of the Jolla users are former Nokia users18:54
HtheBN918:54
HtheBNokia N918:54
FireFlywell, I make sure that the music is properly tagged and have tools sort them into folders for me18:54
faidenI'm a sony ericsson /zte blade18:54
TimoNot all of them, apparently.18:54
Morpog_PCmy N9 and harmattan still got a special place in my heart :D18:54
HtheBTimo: that's why I said "most" :) not all ;)18:55
TimoExplains a lot. I should learn reading.18:55
faidencan i add quasarMX to sailfishos?18:55
kimmolimy problem is that i have only one album...18:55
HtheBfaiden: there will be a Sailfish OS release soon18:55
faidengood good18:55
HtheBhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8131818:55
Morpog_PCHtheB, http://abload.de/img/previewzfkd6.jpg18:56
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TimoNow that my Jolla has to be sent to repair tomorrow, I'm using the N900 again. Lovely device, but I'm missing the Sailfish UI.18:56
* Morpog_PC hides18:56
pdanekI have typed A LOT on Nokia N900, now with Jolla, I barely use my phone. :( keyboard is must... if there won't be a release of good keyboard half, I will be forced to resign :(18:56
Timopdanek: It seems like Dirk is working on a new batch of keyboards, with better quality. :-)18:57
faidenlooks nice18:57
pdanekTimo: I had qwerty from Dirk, I sold it yesterday to n950 from TMO18:57
HtheBMorpog_PC: I donno...18:57
faidenI like the seach function18:57
faidensailfishos needs more search functions in their apps18:57
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HtheBfaiden: https://katastrophos.net/quasarmx/18:58
HtheByeah18:58
Morpog_PCN9 had global search, but everyone disabled it :D18:58
HtheBhaha, it was a mess on the N918:58
HtheBwhile on the iphone, it works very well.... :(18:58
faidenIf its a lightweight simplistic musicplayer that makse me add folders I'm happy18:58
HtheBits the best there is :)18:58
pdanekTimo: that Motorola keypad used for QWERTY made by Dirk isn't for me18:59
HtheBhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1426800&postcount=16318:59
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pdanekTimo: but I have to say, it was cool hanging around with such huge phone with that QWERTY OH, everyone was like: wtf? :D18:59
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Morpog_PClol19:00
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Morpog_PCit needs sailfishos 2.0 to have proper landscape in all apss I guess19:00
pdanekAgree!19:00
Morpog_PCewithout that qwerty hwkb is useless19:00
pdanekI wouldn't mind to have Sailfish ONLY landscape, I barely use portrait when landscape is available :P19:01
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FireFlypdanek: I find I use the jolla quite a lot even though it lacks a hardware keyboard.. but still, I know what you mean and I miss the N900 keyboard dearly19:04
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pdanekThe need for keyboard has made me start looking on Blackberry phones. That rumor about Blackberry Windermere makes me hyped. :P19:04
pdanekfor me, keyboard > OS, unfortunately19:05
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Timopdanek: I also tried the keyboard, but didn't like the Motorola keybad either.19:05
pdanekthat's why Nokias were always win-win19:05
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pdanekTimo: from Dirk?19:05
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Timopdanek: Yup. There was a meeting in Utrecht, where he also was.19:06
M4rtinKwell, the are now even more Win :)19:06
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FireFlyOS > keyboard for me--unless I have a terminal emulator and sane *NIX environment my phone is mostly worthless19:06
pdanekM4rtinK: except Win19:07
FireFlyI really really value being able to scp stuff to/from the phone, or ssh to a VPS, or hack on a C program while on the train19:07
M4rtinKwell, Win-dows :)19:07
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TimoUsing the N900 really gives me a feeling of sadness, that I don't have a keyboard on my 'real' phone. :-P19:08
pdanekindeed19:09
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pdanekso I gave mine to Zogg, to not feel sadness :D19:09
TimoHaha.19:09
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TimoEven Symbian is better than a phone without keyboard actually. :P19:10
slateJust bought me a 2nd hand Nexus 4 Mako19:10
slategive sailfish :p19:10
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FireFlyTimo: I wouldn't go that far :P19:23
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FireFlyat least not S^319:23
TimoSymbian Belle FP2 is quite useable though.19:24
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FireFlyHm19:24
FireFlyNot sure which version I used on the E7, but I found it to be fairly buggy :\19:24
Morpog_PCbelle was ok on N819:24
Morpog_PCanna was acceptable19:25
FireFlySailfish on the E7, now that would be something...19:25
Morpog_PCeverything before was horrible :)19:25
FireFlyPhysical keyboard *and* Linux device19:25
Morpog_PCbut i loved the n9 for it's fm transmitter19:25
Morpog_PCerr n819:25
FireFlyMy experience with S^3 on E7 (I think it was Belle, maybe Anna) was programs randomly getting OOM-killed and translation bugs and annoying updates19:26
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pdanekSailfish on E7! The dream!19:30
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Morpog_PCthose symbian phones were always too much cut on hw side. especially cpu and ram19:30
pdanekI know, but everything is possible in the dream.19:32
FireFlyYes, that is true19:32
FireFlyscreen resolution too19:32
Morpog_PCFireFly, not in the beginning19:32
Stskeepswhich is what happens if you let excel sheets run the game and not the experience19:33
FireFlyI received the E7 as a replacement when my N900 broke, and it definitely felt like a downgrade19:33
* Morpog_PC bans excel sheets inside Jolla19:33
Yanielspeaking of dreams, how is update6/719:33
FireFlyThough to be fair they at least managed to find a replacement phone with a physical keyboard, so it wasn't too bad19:33
FireFlyoh yeah, good call19:34
Morpog_PCYaniel, fine I'M updating at the moment19:34
* Morpog_PC *giggles*19:34
FireFlyLies!19:34
FireFly...I hope19:34
Yanieldefinitely lies19:35
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Morpog_PCleave Stskeeps alone, he is researching stuff for update 10 or 11 hopefully :)19:36
* Stskeeps counts19:37
Stskeepsi'm more over in 13-1419:41
Turskiwell, mms/wma streaming problem solved :)19:42
Turskii set up a service on my server to restream it as http/ogg19:42
pdanekFireFly: is it even legally allowed to give you different phone as replacement? I guess they must have given you money if you requested19:43
FireFlyI'm not sure, I was a bit pissed at the time but I never really called up to see if I could get cash instead19:44
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FireFlyIn the end I think it was fine anyway, I needed *some* phone and I dunno if I could've found anything better at the time19:44
netzviehhmm very soon would be tomorrow. m19:44
netzviehmaybe monday if they want to throw in the openssl fix19:44
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vgradewhats the tag on tjc for u7?19:57
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vgradeupdate it is then19:58
coderusvgrade: Saapunki, or what you mean?19:59
vgradewanted to find out whats new but found the list now. https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/19:59
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coderusvgrade: it will be announced tomorrow20:00
vgradeoh, just testing now20:01
* Aard gets twitches nowadays when I hear openssl or gnutls20:01
Sail0rlol20:01
coderusvgrade: you didnt checked upgraded packages?20:01
Sail0rhotfix time Aard? ;)20:01
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* Aard is currently evaluating if I should take the openssl fix in directly, or if we need to test more and should push it as hotfix20:02
Aardthe recent gnutls fix is in20:03
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FireFlyGood thing we have the trusty sailors to pay attention to that for us20:10
FireFlymaking sure the device is secure and so20:10
vgradestore down for update20:11
HtheBhere we go again! :D20:13
HtheBlets DDOS!20:13
Aardwatching for that and patching it is on its way to become a fulltime job20:15
netzviehAard: hire me, I could do that xP20:16
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FireFlyAard: aww20:23
stephgmy thoughts go out to Aard :)20:23
faenilmy whip goes out to Aard :D <320:24
pdanekActually, if Google ARA ever gets released, it's a good chance for having flagship QWERTY phone again.20:25
netzviehpdanek: with each key being a replaceable block? :D20:26
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ppAard: the mitm bit is nastyish, might get bad press for missing it20:27
ppit even got a logo!20:27
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pp(not that sailfish uses openssl for anything important)20:27
pdanekpp: heartbleed still isn't fixed on Sailfish? :O20:28
ppit is (but wasn't really relevant)20:28
coderusdoes browser will be updated? any new features? i didnt read anything about that...20:29
pphttp://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/20:29
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FireFlypdanek: ...how many TLS-enabled web servers (or ftp servers, or other stuff) do you host on your jolla?20:30
szopin_sailingstore seems down, new update rollin?20:30
FireFlyeveryone, hammer the store harder!20:30
sdjaynajust general maintenance ;) https://together.jolla.com/question/44741/official-announcement-maintenance-on-jolla-account-and-store-services/20:31
ppheartbleed is client-side too (tho it's more like leaking credentials to a heartbleeding mitm server or whatnot)20:31
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szopin_sailingthx :(20:31
ppstuff like run fake access point claiming to do eap-ttls next to real one, heartbleed, get username & password for real network, profit is plausible ;)20:32
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pdanekTizen release is good news for Jolla. The more Tizen ecosystem will grow, the more potential Sailfish apps.20:49
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pdanekhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93156 HOW DID I MISS THIS?! :D that's huge20:55
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FireFlyand also healthy competition is always nice21:22
FireFlyFor the consumers, anyway21:23
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