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Stskeepsmorn05:40
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Stskeepsgood morning tbr05:49
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camerisHi, I'm using a c++ class set as root context in qml. The class contains a QList which I'm using as model for a ListView. The delegates have a ContextMenu and remorseAction that call the class to remove an index, ofc this emits a signal. When this happens the view always jumps to the first item in the view. Is this normal behaiviour? Shouldn't the screen stay where it is?09:13
camerisoh, wrong channel, sry.09:14
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Morpog_PC__made 2 high contrast ambiance wallpapers for better readability outside. https://together.jolla.com/question/44887/high-contrast-ambiences-summer-ready/12:44
gexcCool12:46
gexchow about a green one12:47
gexcthe green on the jolla screen looks really nice12:47
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Morpog_PC__done ;)12:49
gexcgreat ;-)12:51
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coderusMorpog_PC__: you need to create complete ambience with suitable font colors also :)13:24
coderuswhy everybody creating ambiences with just wallpapers?13:24
coderusits useless without proper font colors13:24
Morpog_PC__coderus, too much hassle :) it uses the highlight color from the grid and other text color is white and grey, which are perfect on black13:25
Morpog_PC__if there was a harbour section for ambiences, then I would do the work13:26
coderusi wont use your "ambiences" (which are not aniences, but just wallpaper file) unless you pack it in rpm with proper font colors :)13:26
Morpog_PC__:D13:26
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gexcis it safe to use a 2A charger for jolla?14:48
leiniri've used my 2A blackberry charger for it without trouble :)14:49
gexc:D14:49
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gexcwell it seems the charging rate is similar14:55
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pdanekDo you think Ubuntu Touch will get popular?15:05
pdanekOr it will fail?15:05
Stskeepsdefine 'fail'15:05
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Stskeepsthings don't change overnight for any new OS'es15:06
Stskeepsandroid nearly went bankrupt before it was bought by google15:06
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pdanekhm15:06
pdanekAmazon buys Jolla!15:07
vgradehttp://meizufans.eu/meizu-to-showcase-their-mx3-ubuntu-phone-at-mobile-asia-expo-2014/ points to some traction15:08
Stskeepsthe question is rather in stages: when will it ship it's first product that proves it can be certified by FCC/CE/operators/etc, when will it be taken up by an operator and sold through their channels, when will it appear in retail, when is it a global offering..15:08
faidenSeems like If i dont have webcat open 24/7 My battery is around 70% at the end of the day instead of 12%15:09
Stskeepsand of course, how do they scale up to multiple products and multiple deadlines, deal with operator requirements, etc..15:10
Stskeepsvgrade: well, they had a demo already at MWC afaik15:10
vgradeStskeeps: did you also have sf on mx15:10
Stskeepsno, that was xiaomi15:11
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gexchmm, it seems many users are more interested in the hw of meizu rather than the ubuntu os15:11
vgradebut mx 3 close to jolla spec15:11
Stskeepsa xiaomi mi2s ~= a nexus 415:12
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pdanekvgrade: mx3 close to jolla spec? :O mx3 is like the company's flagship15:31
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vgradepdanek: yea I see now.15:31
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pdanekThe Meizu MX3 features 2GB of RAM, up to 128GB of storage,, and a  Samsung Exynos 5410 octa-core processor, and an 1800 x 1080 pixel  display.15:36
pdanekocta-core :O15:36
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pdanekI wonder, with such HW specs, which will go higher and higher every year, it won't really matter how much lightweight the OS is. It can be bloated with java as hell, yet it will be fast and responsive.15:45
pdanekAlso I wonder, what will be the next big thing that will happen in terms of HW, because getting higher and higher specs is not the way. Will it be something like Google ARA?15:47
gexcmeanwhile bloatwares grow as well ;-)15:47
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pdanekAren't you guys so excited about Google Ara? That's the biggest thing that could happen in smartphone industry, isn't it?15:50
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faenilyeah :)15:52
pdanekDid anyone of you considered having split-screen feature in Sailfish?15:58
pdanekRumors say it's coming to iOS8 and BB10.16:00
Morpog_PC___on a smartphone? sounds like bullshit16:02
pdanekWith bigger and bigger screens, why bullshit?16:03
Morpog_PC___still16:03
Aardpdanek: the specs go higher and higher on high and middle end devices, while the traditional simple phones slowly start getting replaced by similarly priced smartphones -- with quite crappy specs16:03
Morpog_PC___pdanek, because screens won't get indefinetly bigger16:04
Morpog_PC___there is a limit called pocket size16:04
Morpog_PC___ever tried to carry a 7" tablet in your pocket? :D16:05
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pdanekMorpog_PC___: I usually carry my laptop everywhere with me, in backpack :D so I have just phone and laptop16:06
Morpog_PC___well, thats a laptop and not a smartphone16:06
* gexc waiting for easy-(debian/opensuse...) on sailfish16:06
gexcis running a window manager on the phone considered 'split-screen'?16:08
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HarhaanJohtajawell in the future you might be able to stretch your phone to tablet size and so on16:11
pdanekthe split screen multitasking is when you can operate 2 apps at the same time in single screen16:12
Morpog_PC___future != ios8 and bb10 :D16:12
pdanek:)16:12
pdanekIOS is running on QNX! :P16:13
gexcwell in a more distant future phones are plugged in our brainz...16:13
pdanekgexc: yet we will still call it "phones"!!!16:13
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gexcmaybe call it 'communication addons'16:15
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HarhaanJohtajaor eyePhones16:16
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pdanekeyePhone was in South Park :)16:17
pdanekor wait16:17
pdanekin Futurama?16:17
pdanekin Futurama!16:17
HarhaanJohtajafuturama16:17
* javispedro sighs, why there are esound daemon source files mixed with the motoG kernel sources?16:18
wmaroneevil voodoo or sloppiness. your pick16:18
javispedrototal stupidity of everyone involved, ofc16:21
* javispedro continues going deeper in16:21
tbrto spite you, obviously16:21
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pdanekI also wonder, if Blackphone can become popular as an enterprise phone.16:26
pdanekTo potentially replace BlackBerry's position in being the most secure on the market.16:27
Morpog_PC___android is horrible for mdm solutions imo16:27
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pdanekMorpog_PC___: well, anything can be achieved on Android in no time, right? the pockets are deep16:36
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pdanekhttp://www.enterpriseios.com/story/2014/06/02/iOS_8_Brings_Significant_New_Enterprise_Features_Heres_a_Summary16:37
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Morpog_PC___ios is already pretty good for mdm, but was horrible in early versions as well16:40
pdanekh16:41
pdanekhm16:41
pdanekDo you think wearing a suite in business environment will disappear within next 100 years?16:41
pdanekAs the world is getting more casual, doesn't it?16:42
javispedrohttp://www.futurama-madhouse.com/fashion/309-bluesuit.jpg16:43
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danielbeckhello! I developed a Mahjong game (Name: Green Mahjong). I published it on Firefox and Ubuntu Touch. I would like to publish it now in the Jolla app store. However, I'm a little bit lost her. I found that application can be submitted on "http://harbour.jolla.com".17:02
danielbeckHowever, what i did not found is a list of applications that are already in the jolla store. Isn't there something like an online application market available?17:04
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Morpog_PC___danielbeck, unfortunately no17:07
FireFlyooh, mahjong for my jolla17:07
danielbeckFireFly: Its about that game: http://daniel-beck.org/greenmahjong/17:08
danielbeckMorpog_PC___: Could you look which Mahjong games are already available on Jolla?17:08
FireFlyaha, Taipei? (I think is what the solitaire game is called)17:08
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danielbeckFireFly: Yes, solitaire mahjong. No "normal" mahjong.17:09
FireFlydanielbeck: searching for "mahjong" gives no results, for what it's worth17:09
Morpog_PC___danielbeck, none17:10
Morpog_PC___but 1000s of andr17:10
danielbeckOK. I try out to publish it in the store. I hope that it will work.17:10
Morpog_PC___but 1000s of android ones17:10
danielbeckMorpog_PC___: what is andr?17:10
danielbeckah, ok.17:10
Morpog_PC___my cat happened17:11
FireFly:D17:11
danielbeckare they also listed in the jolla store?17:11
Morpog_PC___no17:11
danielbeckAnother question: do you have an idea how much users jolla has?17:13
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Accesomething between 1 and inf17:24
danielbeck:-)17:25
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pdanekdanielbeck: A good question, Jolla should reveal number of downloads for each app in Jolla store, then we could get rough number of sales based on downloads of official Jolla apps17:26
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kimmolithose were real in the beginning, now obfuscated to 1000+17:26
Accebefore they were hidden, I think Android support had been installed 20k times..17:26
pdanekI hoped Jolla being much more open against the community.17:29
pdanekIt doesn't seem to be more open than any other smartphone company.17:29
pdanekBut it's understandable I guess.17:30
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vgradepdanek: when has sales volume anything to do with community17:30
pdanekthat was a bit offtopic17:30
pdanek:D17:31
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pdanekbut maybe I'm wrong, some features in new updates are based on TJC17:32
pdanekso it's a bit community connected17:32
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faenilpdanek, also we have almost 24/7 real-time support and feedback channels (which actually listen), that's not only a bit connected :p17:34
danielbeckI don't really know the amount of FirefoxOS users, however the community is really quite active. I got about 300 downloads one day after publishing the app and only "5 stars ratings".17:35
danielbeckSo, I hope that it will be similar with Jolla :-)17:35
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faenilnot bad :)17:39
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pdanekBest phone for SAP admins? Which one would you think of?17:52
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danielbeckOK, Green Mahjong has been submitted to harbour for QA.18:31
pdanek1Mahjong! The hype!18:31
pdanek1I spent hours with Mahjong on N900.18:32
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danielbeck:-)18:32
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danielbeckI played Shangai Mahjongg a lot, years ago18:32
danielbeckon the amiga18:33
danielbeckHowever, I don't know how long the QA process takes. Perhabs this will take several weeks.18:34
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pdanek1several weeks? what? :O18:36
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danielbeckI don't know, I never did that for Jolla. For firefox, it took 6 days.18:36
danielbeckBtw, what is the name of the Jolla application store?18:37
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danielbeckI would like to put an annoucement on Reddit when the application is published.18:37
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FireFly"Store" is what it says in the app grid, but I'm pretty sure "Harbour" is considered to be the name of it18:38
FireFlyor Jolla Harbour or something18:38
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pdanek1http://youtu.be/I9mnUl9v1wI18:39
Accedanielbeck: Your app will be published probably Monday or Tuesday, at best it's 24 hours on a business day, mostly 2-3 days in my experience18:41
danielbeckAcce: That would be pretty fast. Thanks for the information.18:44
danielbeckThe publishing process was quite easy until now.18:45
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pdanek1danielbeck: Do you see the publishing process better than on FF OS so far?18:54
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FireFlyIt'd be nice to dual-boot Sailfish and FxOS, to try it out19:16
Stskeepswell, personal opinion, i've tried firefox os, i wasn't terribly impressed19:17
Stskeepswhile i might have a bias, i'm also a phone user..19:17
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Anz_despite 'philosophical' allegiance, and wish for its success, i have this 'feeling' ..something isnt right about Mozilla these days. even the least relevant things like those round icons look very unappealing :(19:25
Stskeepswell, there's not terribly lot to work with on 320x480 devices19:25
Stskeepsi've seen 320x480 sailfish on same spec.. it's about effort19:25
* tbr is just sad about mozilla, they seem to be making a lot of bad decisions19:29
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tbrbetting big on fxos being one of them19:29
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RzRhi19:32
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RzRback from tizen conf19:32
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Stskeepswb19:32
Stskeepshow did it go?19:32
Stskeepswell, mozilla.. what else would they do in a world that's getting increasingily mobile; web-based desktop OS'es are conquered by chromeOS; and PCs used less19:34
Stskeepsi'm not sure if they had any other choice, due to the control points and power struggles in android and other os'es for default browser..19:34
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Stskeepsi think they should have aimed for a crosswalk runtime like approach with ffos though19:35
Stskeepsthey would have had a larger market by now from that19:35
RzRStskeeps, was great to see actual products (nfs yet but at least it's there)19:35
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Stskeepsnod19:37
RzRStskeeps, and I discovered ultra closed linux products like tizen gear19:37
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RzRbut was rooted by xda ;)19:37
Stskeepswell, is there really any surprise in that..19:37
Stskeepsi mean, at least gear 1 had open kernel and open bootloader..19:37
RzRwill try if samsung gear pairs with jolla om android stack19:37
Stskeepsdoubt it19:37
Stskeepsandroid stack doesn't grok bt19:37
RzRthat's what I feared ... can this be reported somewhere ?19:38
Stskeepswell, it's a feature that's not there19:39
Stskeepsbut anyway19:39
Stskeepsaren't you the kind of person who's more likely to hack it and get your own non-samsung ui on it? ;)19:39
Stskeepsthat's what i did with my gear 119:39
RzRyes I saw that you ran qt cinematic experience on it isnt it ?19:40
Stskeepsyeah19:40
Stskeepsi didn't get much further with it, still re-evaluating why i'm doing it19:40
RzR:)19:40
RzRbtw are there work in progress w/ xbmc on meego/mer etc ?19:41
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Stskeepshaven't played with that since i went wayland19:41
RzRthen I'll have a look how good is wl support on it19:42
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ppsome support seems to be upstream, suppose people will bother polishing it once the desktop distros finally do it fully19:47
ppsomeone seems to be doing sailfish support for a xbmc remote thing too19:47
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danielbeckpdanek1: The publishing process of an app in itself was easier. What isn't that nice however is that I cannot see how the app will look like in the store.20:25
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danielbeckpdanek1: And what I really miss is an online store, where I can see how applications look like (for example, how the icons look like).20:26
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Oldmanbeefjerkyhi all, im looking to replace my crappy phone, can someone help me find, or help me know what to look for, in buying a new phone21:30
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Oldmanbeefjerkyi only have a few things i need out of the phone, wifi hotspot, at least 2-3 days battery life on standby, and can have the facebook app without freezing or ever ever being slow21:31
Oldmanbeefjerkyhow would you rate the htc desire 310?21:31
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