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Stskeepsbeautiful day out in the sun10:05
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kimmolioo, soon time for BBQ10:16
Aardsigh. I don't have luck with notebook batteries. seems one cell died again10:17
kimmoliintegrated battery on my lenovo lasts <2 hours, in the beginning it lasted 5-6 hours10:17
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tbrAard: I have a big stash of 18650 cells if you want to try to mix and match ;)10:27
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Aardkimmoli: I'm now at my 3rd battery10:28
Aardit jumps from 20% to 4%10:28
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coderusAard: like harmattan does :D10:32
coderusAard: did you tested your battery? maybe calibration problem?10:32
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Yanieland this is the point where I would install update6/7 -- if I had one14:14
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MSameerYaniel: what's wrong?14:19
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M4rtinK2modRana 0.47.1 is out, get it while it's hot! :)14:28
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Quuwoop14:28
M4rtinK2https://openrepos.net/content/martink/modrana-014:29
M4rtinK2release notes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1428708#post142870814:30
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Quuyay, installed14:32
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YanielMSameer: spare time at my hands, mostly15:15
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gexchmm... charging is still going on even if the sys says 'battery full'16:20
gexccurrent is about 100mA16:20
FIQsounds like charging is more or less done then16:21
FIQif current is that low16:21
gexc:-O16:21
gexcso if I just keep the cable plugged, will the battery get damaged?16:22
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specialgexc: no16:22
specialamong other things, I know this because my development phone has been plugged in most of the day every weekday for nearly a year16:23
gexcwell, that's a strong proof ;-)16:24
gexcis the phone drawing power directly from the charger if the battery is really full?16:26
gexclike a laptop16:26
specialthe batteries regulate themselves16:26
gexcnow the current reading is ~1mA16:27
gexcmaybe it's really fully charged16:27
specialthey decide when to pull current and how much, and when fully charged and plugged in they cycle it a bit to avoid wear16:27
specialfrom what I understand16:27
gexcwell, that's good to know16:28
specialnot that I understand much about batteries ;)16:28
gexcmaybe jolla should just get spare batteries in the store16:29
Quuyuuuup16:29
gexcno more concerns about the battery wear :)16:29
specialor we could take the apple approach16:30
specialnon-removable batteries and you can just buy the new phone every year16:30
gexcO_O16:30
Quuthat also words16:30
gexcI broke my N9 while replacing the battery16:30
* gexc is clumsy ;-)16:32
Jopedon't make mistakes.16:33
* gexc used to have a lot of skype calls over 3G16:35
gexcso the battery wears fast16:35
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Jopehow did you manage to break the phone though16:36
Jopethe only difficult part I can think of is not breaking the glass16:36
gexcthat was weird16:36
Jope(me has repaired tons of n9s)16:36
gexcscreen not responding after the battery replacement16:37
Jopek16:37
* gexc has replaced the battery twice16:37
Jopedigitizer cable/connector probably broken :-/16:37
* gexc replaced the screen afterwards but still not working16:37
Jopeaww. :-(16:37
* gexc send the device to a local repair shop16:38
gexcno success16:39
gexc:-/16:39
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gexcin the shop I had the connector replaced16:40
gexcand the phone officially died after that >_<16:40
* gexc can still flash it with the flasher though16:41
gexcstrange16:41
Jopegood as dead if the screen connectors are broken. :-(16:42
gexchmm...16:42
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AardI think for the first time ever I'm one screw short when reassembling a notebook17:10
Quuhuehue17:11
Quuthats not bad17:11
Quubad is when you have more than one extra cable in your hands17:11
Aardthe annoying part is that screw can only be placed when the notebook is halfway disassembled. so now I'm reluctant to fully reassemble it again as then I'd probably locate that thing immediately, and would need to open it again17:13
Quuyeah. that happens.17:13
Quuits never the last screw17:13
Aardit's the only screw where there's exactly one of them in the notebook. so I paid special attention where I put it when disassembling17:14
pdanekIs anyone using that create ambient function? :O17:19
* Aard is17:19
Aardbut only once :p17:19
pdanekMe too :D17:20
AardI have several ambience profiles in use on my main phone, though, but I'm manually switching17:21
AardI use different coloured backs to distinguish between the phones on my desk17:22
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pdanekah I see17:24
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pdanekAard: how many Sailfish powered phones do you have atm?17:24
Aarddepends on what I count17:24
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suosaask1http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/8/5790798/microsoft-1999-vision-of-the-smart-home17:27
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MSameerpdanek: i used it once17:35
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* Stskeeps serves himself a nice martini18:13
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tbrcheers!18:13
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* tbr keeps browsing for cameras and monitors that could make for a sensible rear view/side view setup for his "tank"18:14
Stskeepshack a tizen camera?18:14
Stskeeps:P18:14
tbrphull controll!18:15
* javispedro 's soul dies a bit more after reading 'if (pListHead->next) > 0x00010000) //Assuming kernel address is not that low.'18:15
Stskeepsare you looking at the jolla device kernel sources? ..18:16
Stskeeps:P18:16
MSameerjavispedro: how much android code have you been reading?18:16
* Stskeeps high fives MSameer 18:16
javispedrotoo much. I have lost faith in the world and I'm already hoarding food18:16
javispedrofor the clearly upcoming apocalypse (where every computing device will misteriously fail)18:17
javispedromaybe after logging something like "this loop crashes if the pointer is not right" or similar18:17
MSameerI have seen worse comments18:18
MSameerI can dig it up from the mozilla source tree if you want :p18:18
reviewjollaI'd like to thank all you #Jolla owners for your collaboration. 700th review was just posted, read comment: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/06/your-review-of-jolla-phone-doing-it.html?showComment=140225096830818:19
Stskeepsthere are days when i want to kick off a butlerian jihad..18:20
javispedroit's as if these guys had a working time machine, asked future themselves "which assumptions would cause ourselves most pain in xx years?" and implemented them all.18:20
Stskeepsjavispedro: at that time you'd have gotten a promotion18:20
javispedroprolly true18:21
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* javispedro ponders why the "log dumping" functions implement what is basically a working shell plus libreadline18:22
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javispedrooh, windows... *shudder*18:23
Stskeepsjavispedro: do i dare to ask what you're investigating?18:23
javispedrobt coex18:24
javispedroI have some dumps from motoG so I'm comparing18:24
Stskeepsah..18:24
Stskeepsyou should maybe talk to tigeli too18:24
tigelihmm18:25
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javispedroOBVIOUSLY if by some miracle some of you have deduced this please free me of this pain :)18:25
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Stskeepsdespite some of us's reputation, we're not sadistic monsters.. tigelis' been debugging wlan in general18:25
tigeli:D18:25
Stskeepsjavispedro: could you quickly outline the problem?18:26
javispedromy personal itch is the "lescan kills wlan" thing, but I'm trying to get an idea of how everything is supposed to fit together18:26
tigelijavispedro: you got me interested18:27
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javispedrowell... so far I've deduced that we don't need any userspace tool for coex, unlike several other qcom modems..18:27
javispedrosomewhere in the kernel (or in the fw) someone is sniffing HCI commands to detect what's userspace doing with BT.18:28
javispedro(so, no 'abtfilt' or 'btcoex' daemon)18:28
javispedrowhen the lescan starts the wlan driver receives two commands from this "filter" -- the first one is to disable heartbeat monitoring (which is something that for some reason happens on LE and thus is my primary "suspect")18:30
javispedrothe second is to increase the minimum latency between wlan scans, in their own terms this is because: "WLAN_COEX_IND_TYPE_SCANS_ARE_COMPROMISED_BY_COEX "18:31
* stephg passes a few cold ones around, takes a sip himself18:31
tigelijavispedro: this is on jolla-device?18:32
javispedrotigeli: yep18:32
Stskeepsjavispedro: as a general thought.. is there a wpa supplicant addition to perhaps block wlan scans?18:32
javispedrooh, they have hacked wpa_supplicant too?18:33
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tigeliStskeeps: I've been testing ap_scan=0 in wpa_supllicant.conf to let the driver be responsible wlan-scanning.. initial test results -> not sure yet if that helps18:33
Stskeepswell, we kinda didn't, but, it's always a remote possibility18:33
Stskeepssec18:33
javispedroI have not check'd wpa_supp at all18:34
Stskeepshttps://www.codeaurora.org/cgit/quic/la/ ; search wpa_supplicant18:34
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javispedrothat said I currently doubt it would be involved in this18:34
tigelijavispedro: doing wpa_cli scan in a loop also causes issues18:34
javispedrobasically the different between motoG log and Jolla log is ... 0.18:34
javispedro*the difference18:34
javispedroJolla even thinks it's tx'd the packets, and frees the pkt18:34
tigelijavispedro: with the timings with the coex18:34
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javispedrotigeli: well there's certainly some enforced minimum delay between all types of wlan scans in the drivers18:35
javispedro*frees the pkt buffer, I mean.18:36
javispedrobtw, anyone had any luck with the prima opensource driver?18:37
Stskeepsdidn't djselbeck off tmo get that working18:37
tigelijavispedro: yes, but it makes wlan to miss probe responses18:37
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tigeliwhich makes wlan to disconnect18:38
pdanekDoes WP8 even have support for physical keyboard? :O18:38
pdanekBecause I thought, why Nokia haven't released any keyboard WP.18:39
tigelipdanek: wrong channel :D18:39
pdanek:D18:39
pdanekthis is my only trusted channel18:39
pdanek:P18:39
* javispedro sighs at a useless shortlog because of a bot gone rogue: https://www.codeaurora.org/cgit/quic/la/platform/external/wpa_supplicant_8/log/?h=LNX.LA.2.7.318:43
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tigeli:D18:44
Stskeepsyou should check out codeaurora a bit more18:44
Stskeepsit's an impressive place18:44
javispedroyeah, I found esoundD source files in the motoG kernel sources =)18:45
javispedrothey're not built, but they just tarball'd them. god knows what are they using esoundD for.18:45
tigelithere are bunch of coex fixes in the codeaurora too18:45
javispedroyeah, that's probably btcoex daemon, I've seen kernel side of it18:47
javispedrofor some reason it doesn't seem required on jolla hw, as someone I've not yet identified has subsumed its functions18:48
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javispedroe.g. connecting to AD2P headset generates a "WLAN_COEX_IND_TYPE_SCANS_ARE_COMPROMISED_BY_COEX" msg from HAL18:52
Stskeeps.. which HAL?18:52
javispedroI have the same question.18:52
Stskeepsthat smells like something we're not doing18:53
javispedrobut this from Jolla's log.18:53
javispedro"someone" is doing it.18:53
javispedroI don't know if the functionality of the abtfilt/btcoex daemons has either been moved to another qcom daemon, put into the kernel, or even into the fw18:54
javispedrobut someone is definitely doing sth :)18:54
wazdheya all18:54
javispedroStskeeps: "this" HAL: https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-msm-mako-3.4-kitkat-mr0/drivers/staging/prima/riva/inc/wlan_hal_msg.h18:55
javispedroheya wazd18:56
Stskeepsah.18:56
javispedrobtw for completeness, to enable tracing on stock prima driver.... iwpriv wlan0 setwlandbg $N 8 118:58
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javispedrowhere $N is a number from 0..12 which indicates "submodule"18:58
javispedro(since the interfaces between those submodules seem totally random, I suggest just enabling them all :) )18:59
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tigelijavispedro: I've been using 5 8 1, 6 8 1 and 7 8 1 for debugging wlan/bt coex19:00
tigelijavispedro: and qxdm with diag_mdlog & approriate filters19:01
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javispedrotigeli: 8 8 1 ("WDA") seems to dump contents of coex messages19:07
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javispedroI think I will try setting up the oss prima driver, and then start randomly ifdef'ing out lines of code19:08
javispedrofight crazyness with crazyness!19:09
tigelijavispedro: ok19:09
javispedromy only clue is the heartbeat timer, which seems to be the only difference in btcoex messages between a nonLE scan and a LE scan19:12
javispedroso that's what I'm going to ripoff first :)19:12
javispedrowell, thanks for comments and cya, bll.19:13
javispedro*bbl19:13
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pdanekWhich glass screen ratio is more durable by physics, 1:1 (square) or 1.7:1 (Jolla)?19:32
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Quu0:0 is best.19:45
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Quuuse stainless steel, that shit aint gonna broke19:46
pdanek:)19:51
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pdanek1Does anyone install from Google Play on everyday basis? Is it safe?20:27
coderuspdanek1: safe20:29
suyIsn't required for that some stuff which doesn't come from, let's say "standard", sources?20:31
pdanek1coderus: Is the procedure on elinux.org/Jolla up to date? especially the gapps-jb-20121011-signed.zip?20:31
coderuspdanek1: sure. it will be updated automatically from store after20:32
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pdanekLol, just tried the game Siika, it's very odd. :D21:11
entilpdanek: it's based on a local yet old enough to be forgotten meme :D21:15
entilhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugl42dbJyz0 probably, can't watch now21:15
entilbecause good night ->21:15
pdanekwatching21:18
pdaneklol21:19
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pdanekDoes Qualcomm document their chips less than Intel does?21:47
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javispedrowhat is this doc-u-ment-a-tion you speak of?22:08
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RST38hMoo, javispedro22:11
javispedrohello22:12
javispedrohttp://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/wcn36xx another driver for prima seemingly, and much cleaner.22:18
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