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Almindorhey, is there any app like pryFi to randomize mac addresses for ping replies?00:39
pdanekAlmindor: no, I don't think so00:44
pdanekBut since you have full terminal root access.00:46
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pdanekYou can always do mac address spoofing by yourself / script.00:46
Almindoryeah, might be a good app to add00:50
Almindormaybe I'll look at it after finishing Lighthouse00:50
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Almindorseems to be a genuine bug too03:32
Almindortop reports 2700% cpu usage at times (try moving around the main screen while watching top in the terminal)03:32
Almindorhups sorry, meant for #sailfishos :)03:33
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Stskeepsgood morrning04:23
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tango_so http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/27zc2c/firefox_os_apps_run_on_android/ apparently firefox os apps run on android. i wonder if they would run on the jolla's alien dalvik?05:49
Nicd-aren'ẗ firefox apps just html5 containers?05:50
tango_Nicd-: I know absolutely nothing about them05:50
tango_if that's true, they could probably just run in the sailfish os browser05:50
tbrthat's for people who love layer cakes05:51
tbrjust run it in the browser...05:51
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Nicd-tango_: I think the FFOS apps are just HTML5 + JS with some additional JS API to access hardware05:51
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tango_Nicd-: so it would need that js api too maybe05:51
tango_(hint hint)05:51
tbrit's gecko already, so probably has all the bits and pieces, just would need to wire up some APIs if they don't work05:52
tbrbut foremost: just try it05:52
tbrand if it doesn't: fix it, it's open source05:52
Nicd-that's kind of appception. Sailfish running Alien Dalvik running an Android app/container running an FFOS app05:52
tbras I said, for people who like layer cake05:53
Nicd-we must go deeper05:53
tbrand redundant as the native browser is gecko...05:53
tbrNicd-: turtles, turtles ALL the way down.05:53
tango_Nicd-:  well you could be running that inside a sailfish os emulator inside wine in a linux vm running on freebsd, probably05:54
Nicd-like this: http://xkcd.com/676/05:54
tango_+1 for maru05:55
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Nicd-so, what happens when the "number of tries" is exceeded in my phone's lock code? will it wipe itself?07:25
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HtheBNicd-: if you have set it up like that: yes07:34
Nicd-"set it up like that"? I just set the number of tries07:35
chem|stHtheB: thought it needs to go to care@ as it will be locked to oblivion07:35
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HtheBchem|st: seriously?07:42
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Nicd-anyone else have mitakuuluu stuck at "connecting..."07:44
Nicd-?07:44
Nicd-well, just had to really reboot it07:45
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Nicd-HtheB: as I understand it if you lock your phone with the lock code, you can't even enter recovery mode without the code07:45
Nicd-and then you have to go to care@07:45
aupoOh, what's this, a WhatsApp client, kewl... Only available as rpm?07:46
stephgaupo: at the moment yes07:47
Nicd-sources: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/07:47
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Nicd-don't forget to send coderus some €€€ ;)07:47
HtheBchem|st: so if you accidently put your phone on the table07:48
HtheBa friend of your just tries to push buttons, or... your kids, baby, dog, cat, dinasaur... whatever07:48
HtheByou're just pwnd...07:48
Nicd-that's the risk you take if you set the limit07:48
HtheBbut it's insane to send it to care :/07:48
Nicd-it wouldn't be a useful lock code if you could just plug in the USB and circumvent it07:48
HtheBwhy not just reset the device, like ALL OTHER companies does?...07:48
HtheBoh wait... they are UNLIKE -_-07:49
aupoHtheB: Then don't set the limit, or set it to 50 or something, I think that was the upper limit for it.07:49
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HtheBaupo: I dont have a limit :P07:49
aupoWell there you have it.07:49
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Nicd-HtheB: write about it to TJC, it can be implemented07:49
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aupoFriend of mine had a similar problem with N900 some years ago, I believe: He had forgotten the sec code, so he just plugged it into the computer and found a file where the 4-digit code was in, encrypted of course, but decrypting a 4-digit code was not all that big a deal... :)07:51
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Nicd-HtheB: if the phone clears and unlocks itself after too many failed attempts, well then it's a free phone for anyone who steals it07:53
Nicd-if it bricks, they have to take it to care@ who will probably (attempt to) check who really owns it07:54
mornfall(well, actually official support for firefoxos apps would be cute... and probably not very hard either, at least compared to android)07:55
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aupoThis ^. At 10 tries to brick, I'd rather take the chance that a dog manages to input a wrong pass code to my Jolla 10 times than let anyone who grabs the phone and has the patience to access all the personal info on it.07:56
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HtheBNicd-: Well, the phone is registered...07:56
HtheBthey could already see who's phone it is07:57
HtheBim pretty sure they can even brick your phone from distance07:57
HtheB(forget the name how it is called)07:57
HtheBat least, If I go to my Jolla account, I see my phone over there :)07:58
Nicd-HtheB: yeah, but if the phone clears and unlocks itself, it can be sold off to unsuspecting buyers since they can show how it unlocks and stuff07:58
fluxaupo, btw, I've pocked-written an invalid PUK code to my jolla..07:58
Nicd-if the original owner doesn't contact jolla in time (or doesn't know what to do about it)07:58
HtheBGlad I didn't try it out :P07:58
fluxpocket even07:58
aupoflux: That... Is an achievement :D 3-try-limit or more?07:59
fluxI only wrote it once07:59
fluxbut before that I probably wrote pin code three times wrong07:59
aupoYeah.07:59
mornfallbtw., we apparently have an overheating problem07:59
HtheBOther Half fan?07:59
aupoThat's... An achievement indeed :D I don't think I've ever managed to pocket-write anything on my Jolla.07:59
HtheBOH Cooler?07:59
fluxapparently jolla doesn't mind accepting pin codes even if proximity sensor says otherwise :)07:59
mornfallI got quite a few reboots yesterday, and they wouldn't stop until I cooled the device off...07:59
aupoHtheB: :awsm:07:59
Stskeepsmornfall: latest update?07:59
mornfallStskeeps: yes, latest update08:00
mornfallStskeeps: keeping the phone in 30+ degrees seems to make it go wonky08:00
aupoHmmm, I haven't encountered anything similar, but I haven't tried any heavy use. What were you doing to get it hot, mornfall?08:00
mornfallin a pocket*08:00
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aupoOh.08:00
fluxI got my first spontaneous reboot for a long while yesterday (with the latest firmware), but I've had some pin code queries, could be related to that08:00
mornfallaupo: playing music :-)08:00
aupoHmm, darn, I don't have my ear plugs with me, could try putting the phone in my pocket and playing Spotify...08:01
aupoActually, I'll do that anyway, just use headphones (They suck though, hurt my ears.)08:02
mornfallaupo: it probably won't do anything if it's not particularly hot (it isn't here today)08:02
HtheBits hot over here08:02
covoxmornfall: sure it's not a loose battery?08:02
HtheBmornfall: what are guys at the warm countries do!? Like saudi arabia08:03
HtheBit's like 40 degrees!?08:03
aupoTrue, not hot in here, but we'll see what happens.08:03
mornfallcovox: very unlikely, I kept the phone in the backpack for 10 minutes and it solved the problem08:03
aupoMaybe I'll put it down my pants...08:03
Stskeepsbest advice in those kind of problems is to contact care, so we have an overview of the problems08:04
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Stskeepssw is usually okay on places like together, but heat and potential service issues are better in care08:05
aupoActually, d'f am I doing, why am I not just putting some videos on play...08:05
HtheBpr0n? :p08:05
aupoWas thinking more along lines of Sharpe's Rifles08:05
fluxthe problem with care is that one is without the device for an unknown period of time :)08:05
mornfallhmm new connman: so far so good08:05
mornfallit actually connects to wifi now, without prodding08:06
fluxhmm, maybe I should sign up as well08:06
fluxnot working great with the new company wifi08:06
aupoDid the new patch do something with how mobile connections are handled, by the way? I've had slower response times, ie. if I haven't used mobile Internet in a while, it'll take ~20 seconds for a connection to be established where previously it seemed to be instant when I opened the browser.08:07
mornfallI didn't try anything other than WPA2 personal yet.08:07
mornfallBut that didn't work very well with the previous version either, so. :)08:08
HtheBflux, sign up for what?08:09
HtheBjust try this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1429304&postcount=208:09
fluxhtheb, for testing the new connman08:09
HtheB^ use link08:10
fluxsounds like that could upgrade a whole lot other stuff as well, no?08:10
fluxor is that what the 'opt in' does08:11
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HtheBAsk nieldk08:12
HtheBI haven't any clue about it08:12
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Nicd-flux: you're having problems too? my wifi just quits sometimes and then apps get confused08:34
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fluxseems the renewed company network is causing it more trouble than it used to08:51
Sail0ryay08:52
Sail0rconnman-1.23+git45-11.1.2.jolla.armv7hl08:52
Sail0rthx Jolla :)08:52
ggabrieldoes it work?08:53
mornfallggabriel: seems so, yea08:55
ggabriel\o/08:55
ggabriel(not that i had any problems myself just yet)08:55
fluxgot the fix, perhaps it works now better, but could be due to reboot as well08:55
mornfallseems that the sim toolkit icon really doesn't like to live in a folder08:56
fluxsame thing was in n9 as well08:56
fluxfunny how these things work ;)08:56
ggabrielfunny i don't have a sim icon :P08:57
mornfallggabriel: maybe your sim card doesn't have those pesky extensions?08:57
ggabrieli cannot remember08:57
ggabrieluhm...08:57
ggabrieli don't remember the icon in the n908:57
ggabrielso maybe not08:57
ggabrielthey do have a website tho, so maybe that's why08:57
ggabrielthey sign you on automagically if you access it from their network08:58
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mornfallit's kind of obsolete08:58
ggabrielagree08:58
ggabrielaltho big companies move at a much slower rate than latest stable technology08:59
mornfall(but so is MMS... there's still demand for this stuff)08:59
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mornfallWAP, on the other hand... I hope nobody uses that anymore08:59
ggabrielwap is still there09:00
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ggabrieli remember using it as a backup when the proper internet connection didn't work on my 580009:00
ggabrielwhere you could configure it09:00
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Sail0rhmpf need to recompile the wpa_supplicant package09:05
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ggabrielballock: o/09:08
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Nicd-flux: how fast did you get the hotfix after opt-in?09:12
flux11:10 I maybe sent the email, 11:55 I started the jolla store app and got the notification09:12
fluxso it could've been faster09:12
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ballockggabriel: what? where?09:17
ggabrielballock: just wanted to confirm that you're still coming to london in 2 weeks :)09:17
ballockI am :)09:18
ggabrielawesome09:18
ggabrielhopefully weather stays nice09:18
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ballockwe might sync mobile phone# in case there's some issue with roaming data transfer09:20
ggabrielballock: sure09:20
Nicd-flux: ok, I haven't got any notification. I wonder if it's because my account email is my.name+unlike@gmail.com and obviously my from-address is not09:22
fluxprobably yes, because the instructions explicitly say that they must be the same :)09:23
aupoIndeed they do.09:23
Nicd-curses09:23
aupo:)09:23
ballockggabriel: actually it's next week, June 22nd09:24
ggabrielballock: true09:24
ggabrieli should have said a couple of weekends09:24
ggabrielyou can guess what's important to me ;)09:24
ballockor, umm, some people count Sunday as the first day of week, so that'd be like two weeks then :)09:25
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HtheBI was in london just a week ago09:39
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ballocksledges, vgrade, stephg just reminding you about the meetup on June 22nd in London09:48
ballockif anyone else's interested, the event is pretty much open09:49
sledgesand free as in free speech :)09:49
sledgesthanks for reminder indeed ;)09:49
sledgesdid we sort our your timing get-to-airport? :)09:50
ballockThe plan from 13:00 to ~ 18:00 I guess hacking some Jolla and non-Jolla devices09:50
ballockduring which I guess some lunch would serve well09:51
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ballockafterwards we move to a pub09:51
DrainBamagedPlenty of those in London :D09:51
ballockI don't remember which bus I'm taking but that's around 23 or midnight09:51
ballockthen I'm dizzing off till my plane accepts me09:51
DrainBamagedWhat event is this? I am uninitiated09:52
ggabrielballock: I assume you bought a ticket for that bus, right?09:52
ballocknot yet, might that be a problem?09:52
ggabrielcould be, i'd make sure you have a ticket somehow09:52
ballockok, getting them right now09:53
ggabrieli never took that bus fwiw, i just know the company, which is across the uk09:53
sledgesalterego: lbt: ^ summer meeting in London 22nd June? ;) (cc DrainBamaged )09:54
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ggabrielnot sure whether the hacking is going to take place if it isn't in a pub tbh09:56
ggabriels/whether/where09:56
Stskeepssometimes social hacking is needed09:56
aupoThat sounds rather dangerous from you, Stskeeps :)09:57
DrainBamagedArha, coders event then, I am no coder... :S09:57
ggabrieli am no coder either09:57
ggabrielnor hacker09:57
ggabriel<- lurker09:58
DrainBamagedI am just a newbie Jolla user...09:58
DrainBamagedAnd lurker, to be fair :D09:58
Stskeepsi'm not organising the event but typically all sorts of contributors are welcome..09:58
sledgesjolla meetup, DrainBamaged pub evening part is totally beer social :P09:58
DrainBamagedCool *thumbs up*09:58
sledgesgreat109:59
aupoDrainBamaged: That's pretty much the best possible situation to go into an event: No fear of getting drawn into any work, just having fun :D09:59
stephgDrainBamaged: if you're here, or can get here, come!09:59
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sledgesneed to tell jpetrise and Nexus_ et al.09:59
DrainBamagedThen I shall, I'm not far from London and have a free day09:59
sledgestwittery peeps09:59
DrainBamagedThank you :-)09:59
lbtsledges: where?10:00
sledgesyou're welcome aboard :)10:00
sledgeslbt: London, centrum?10:00
Stskeepslbt: sledges: looks like you found your summer party.. :P10:00
DrainBamagedLondon's a might place10:00
lbtsledges: you getting a train in?10:00
DrainBamaged*mighty10:00
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* sledges ponders between train and car - easy to park in Sunday London and can haz lots of carbos to offset alcohol shortage :D10:01
DrainBamagedI know London is free to enter in cars on weekends, but where alchy is involved I will be bussing it10:02
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HtheBwhy not Amsterdam? :)10:02
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sledgesHtheB: because ballock is in UK that weekend :)10:03
HtheBlets invite him another time to Amsterdam? :p10:03
HtheBheheh10:03
sledgesyep, our messenger :D10:03
HtheBby the way, does anyone know if there is any chance of getting a shortcut active in the pulley meny while phone is locked?10:04
sledgesessentially - whoever travels anywhere - communicates here and meet! jolla family worldwide ;)10:04
HtheBsledges: I haven't :( I was in London last saturday10:04
aupoAnyone in Chania next week? :D Got a conference trip coming up :D10:04
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sledgesHtheB: argh :]10:05
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sledgesthe rule is active from now on :))10:05
HtheBbut I wasn't alone anyway :p10:05
HtheBI was with my wife, a friend of mine and his wife10:05
sledgesthe more the merrier :D10:05
the_mgtSo where do I need to check if I wanted to write a patch in order to support volume keys on my headset?10:05
the_mgtAnswering phone calls and pausing a track is nice, but I do not want to reach in my pockets to adjust volume10:06
stephgaupo: Chania at this time of year? niiiiice10:06
HtheBthe_mgt: iphone headphones?10:06
sledgesthe_mgt: write to developer care10:06
HtheBwould love to have such patch, because I have a couple headphones that are made for the iphone :(10:06
tbralso BT headset or wired?10:06
tbron BT it WFM10:07
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sledgesthe_mgt: or try pinging jusa_ on #sailfishos too10:08
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sledgesi got sgs3 headset, and vol keys don't work10:09
aupostephg: Myup, nice indeed, though I presume I'll boil by Wednesday; not a fan of high temperatures, although last summer in Japan did kind of temper (huahauhaha!) me.10:10
stephgshouldn't be too hot, I mean it's not august10:11
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aupoSeems it'll be 30+ each day.10:12
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* tbr summons jusa_ 10:12
jusa_I felt a breeze in my aura10:12
tbr:>10:12
aupo:D10:12
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aupoI hope this isn't one of those cases where the summoning spell is known but the banishment spell has been lost...10:13
sledges13:05 < the_mgt> So where do I need to check if I wanted to write a patch in order to support volume keys on my headset?10:13
sledges13:06 < the_mgt> Answering phone calls and pausing a track is nice, but I do not want to reach in my pockets to adjust volume10:13
sledgesjusa_: ^10:13
tbras said, would be good to know which brand phone this was for10:14
ballockggabriel: I just bought the ticket to get to London (actually to Victoria Coach station)10:15
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ballockbut the buses to the airport are like each half an hour, price stays constant10:15
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stephgballock: which airport was it again? Stansted?10:15
ballockso it's hard to say when the party's gonna be over :)10:15
sledgestbr: let's say sgs3, one i got10:15
ballockyup10:15
jusa_the_mgt: I'd start by installing mce-tools package, then run evdev_trace -t /dev/input/by-path/platform-soc-audio.0-event-headset-button  and fiddle with the buttons10:16
jusa_to see if the button presses are registered in kernel10:16
ballockthe airport buses are like... expensive. from Liverpool St they're like 8 pounds, while it costs 7 pounds from Cardiff to London10:18
ballockand it's "kind of" further away than the airport10:18
Plntballock: easybus.co.uk has quite good fares if you buy it in advance10:19
pdanekThey're still cheaper than train.10:19
sledgesballock: you meant to say bristol to london?10:19
ballockno, I'm flying to Bristol on Sat, getting a bus to Cardiff, and leaving from there10:19
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sledgesballock: Plnt: also megabus.co.uk10:19
sledgesballock: need a pickup from airport? :)10:20
goroboroyou guys are so good10:20
* sledges doesn't get jolla guests in bristol that often ;)10:21
goroboroI'm up in Leicestershire... it seems like too much mission to come down to London for a night :D:D:D10:21
goroboroah Bristol... wasn't following that so closely10:21
ballockgoroboro: it's a hacking day and a drinking night :)10:21
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ballocksledges: not from Bristol, I'm supposed to be fine there10:22
sledgesgoroboro: long story short - party in london, but party starter flies to bristol first :)10:22
goroborommmm I really should be more proactive...10:22
sledgesballock: ok you got that covered then :)10:23
* goroboro will have to check with the diary-keeper to see whether he is busy that weekend10:23
ballocksledges: you'll be driving from Bristol?10:23
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goroborothe diary-keeper is very strict about my whereabouts... damn diary-keeper10:23
sledgesballock: yes10:23
goroborothe diary-keeper is my other other half10:24
* sledges likes roadtrips, we could pick up lbt o na way :D10:24
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ballocksledges: damn, I bouhght the ticket already10:24
sledgesballock: ach think first :D10:24
sledgesreturns policy? ;)10:25
ballocknon-refundable10:25
ballocknay, I'll be fine10:25
ballockit wasn't even expensive10:25
sledgesi just realised there won't be good trains/busses to go back to bristol late sunday night, so i'll go by car10:25
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sledgesyea, you could still bin the tickets and have a roadtrip :D10:25
ballock8 pounds for like 300 km10:25
sledgesyou have time to decide until 22nd June :D10:27
ballockI just checked the bus from Cardiff to London doesn't stop at Bristol10:27
sledgeswhich busline?10:28
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ballockNX509 - National Express10:28
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ballockthe only stop between cardiff and London is Newport10:28
sledgesi don't mind picking you up from cardiff, it's just stone's throw away for the sake of adventure up for it :))10:29
sledges(we went to fosdem by car this year :))10:29
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* vgrade will be there if I'm not moving house that weekend10:33
sledgesvgrade: you bettern't be ;) i shuffle my plans to :)10:33
ballocksledges: although the offer is tempting, I think I am good with a bus10:34
tbrwhat are you people up to?10:34
sledgesballock: as you please :p10:34
vgradetbr: london meetup10:35
Sail0rhas anyone installed the wpa_supplicant patch on 1.0.7.18 ?10:35
tbrah10:35
ballockthe this stone's throw is like 70 miles, which you'll need to go both ways, so kind-of a good throw10:35
tbrcatapult?10:36
sledgesballock: then get a bus to bristol :D10:36
ballock:D10:36
Nicd-flux: I used the correct email but still no hotfix update :(10:36
ballockI'm thinking about asking the bus driver to stop on M4 ;)10:36
sledges:D10:36
ballockI don't think he would, though10:36
sledgescheers drive!10:36
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Sail0rhow do I install source packages via pkcon, anyone?10:41
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specialSail0r: you can install zypper if pkcon doesn't do something you need, fwiw10:42
special(but I don't know the answer)10:42
sledgesballock: anyhow offer still holds, you have 9 days to consider :D10:42
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DrainBamagedsledges - You're in Bristol?10:44
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sledgesDrainBamaged: yep10:45
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DrainBamagedI is gurt Brizzle too innit10:45
* DrainBamaged is living in BS310:45
sledgesinnit!10:45
sledgesBS1010:45
sledges:D10:45
DrainBamagedYou could hop in my car to Londonium if you wish10:46
sledgeshaha, or shall we race?10:46
DrainBamagedRace?10:46
DrainBamagedKeep up ;)10:46
sledges:D we'll pull a straw on who's drinking who's driving :))10:47
* DrainBamaged is very happy to drive10:47
DrainBamagedGiven the choice, I'd sooner drive :-)10:48
sledgesnice; so lbt is getting at least two people for a cuppa that Sunday, the rest of involvement is for him to decide :))10:50
* DrainBamaged nods10:50
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sledgesmaybe he'll spin us to London in his TVR? :DDD10:50
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gabriel9install Paradajz10:50
DrainBamagedHa, that'd be fun10:50
gabriel9it just been aproved10:50
Sceltas a Finn, there's no question who is driving...10:50
sledgesdefo10:50
Sceltthe taxi driver of course10:50
DrainBamagedFinnish are the BEST I have ever come across10:51
DrainBamagedOne of my ambitions is to learn how to drive Finnish style10:51
DrainBamagedFor now I'm stuck with IAM/HPC10:51
sledgesthey have special drifting driving lessons on snow10:51
* sledges jealous to bits :D10:51
chem|stStskeeps: care@ is not really descriptive what to return in the package when sending in a device... everything, phone only, phone + battery, phone + battery + cover?10:51
sledgesmandatory in test :)10:51
DrainBamagedYur, I know, is brilliance10:51
Stskeepschem|st: i don't know, sorry10:52
DrainBamagedOur tests don't cover night time or motorways... :S10:52
chem|stjust tell to NOT send in your SIM and sdcard^^10:52
DrainBamagedNot even advanced certificate does night driving...10:52
Sceltwelcome to have it a go next winter10:52
sledgesuk tests are "we'll bring you to the level know proficiency from where you can carry on learning to drive on your own" :))10:52
DrainBamagedThey do skid courses at Castle Combe, that's as good as it gets here10:53
DrainBamagedyur10:53
sledgesScelt: can't wait10:53
* sledges been to Castle Combe last saturday10:53
DrainBamagedWhat do you drive, sledges?10:53
sledgessports pug :D10:53
DrainBamagedWhat is this?10:53
sledgesa 20610:54
sledgeswhat's IAM/HPC?10:54
DrainBamagedArha10:54
* tbr drives a tank10:54
DrainBamagedInstitute of Advanced Motorists / High Performance Club10:54
sledgestbr: seen your monster on g+ :D10:54
Sceltthey skip learning many practical things here too. like how you know someone's coming towards you in a curve at the night10:54
tbr:>10:54
sledgesScelt: are they all aiming to hit you in curves? :)10:55
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DrainBamagedThere's the Pegasus Driving Club too, which I am considering, a local thing10:55
sledgesDrainBamaged: interwesting! what's your cart then? :))10:55
Sceltsledges: nah. it's just better to know beforehand10:55
DrainBamagedI has a 2006 2.2 Litre Honda Civic Denzil10:55
DrainBamagedThe one with all the triangles10:56
sledgesi wish i got this one, then probably could keep up with ya :D http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/26149923921410:56
Sceltsledges: but it's true that usually people tend drive a bit in the middle of the road at the night. easier to elude the mooses and stuff10:56
DrainBamaged160mph? That's a cool top speed10:56
sledgeslol10:56
sledgesindeed10:57
DrainBamagedI got mine to nearly it's top speed...10:57
DrainBamagedWhich is 129mph10:57
sledgesbut we are -drifting- into an offtopic here :D10:57
DrainBamagedBut the road wasn't long enough, so I got to 120mph10:57
DrainBamagedWe are...10:57
sledgesok then, your car to London it is then :D ballock are you following? :D10:58
DrainBamagedSuper10:58
DrainBamagedballock is welcome to jump in the car too10:58
sledgesgert lush10:58
DrainBamagedIt's proper like :D10:58
sledgesyes, from a driving bus10:58
DrainBamagedHe'll have to bail on the M4 and we do a rolling pick up :-P10:59
mcfriskhmm, what causes complete poweroff cases in jolla? was just browsing Fahrplan app when the display went black and device seemed to have shut down completely.11:00
Stskeepsmcfrisk: update7?11:00
Stskeepsif yes, contact care11:00
mcfriskStskeeps: yes, latest SW11:00
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mcfriskAlso saw one case where touch stopped working, only power and audio buttons got UI responses, though double tap was still working. reboot fixed that too.11:01
mcfriskoh, again poweroff, shiit...11:02
Stskeepsturn off device, pull battery for 10 minutes, put it back in again11:03
mcfrisknever had to do this before, but ok..11:03
ballocksledges, DrainBamaged I'm following11:04
DrainBamagedOki11:05
ballockDrainBamaged: where are you driving from ? Bristol?11:06
DrainBamagedShame, be a fun ride in my car ;-)11:06
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DrainBamagedYes, ballock11:06
ballockok, that gets the same then11:06
DrainBamagedWhere are you located, if you don't mind me asking?11:06
ballockI guess I'll be after a party on Saturday, so a calm ride in a calm bus would get me going for the next one in London :)11:07
ballockregularly it's Wrocław, PL11:07
ballockit's gonna be a fun weekend :)11:08
DrainBamagedAha, fair nuff11:09
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sledgesDrainBamaged: thanks for chipping in, be aware you'll have to bear with us for the whole hacking day :D11:12
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DrainBamagedThat's fine11:13
DrainBamagedDid you get my /notice, sledges?11:13
DrainBamagedI'll enjoy watching this sort of thing, never been to such a meetup before and I'm very techie minded :D11:13
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sledgesJolly good :)11:14
DrainBamagedJolla good, you mean?11:14
sledgesgot your notice DrainBamaged , was about to do the same in case of major internet outage closer to the day :))11:14
sledgescertainly :))11:15
DrainBamagedYou ok to play shat-nav?11:15
DrainBamagedOr shall I bring TomTom?11:15
DrainBamagedYou missed called me?11:16
sledgesjust pinged you back, call me Sim :)) (to many puns already :)11:16
sledgesshite-nav? i'll bring jolla with gmaps, most of times gets me there :D11:16
DrainBamagedI'll have N9 and Jolla on me11:17
sledgesvery well ;)11:17
sledgesmaps on N9 support turn-by-turn iirc :P11:17
DrainBamagedyur11:17
DrainBamagedIt does11:17
DrainBamagedI'll bring TomTom too, just in case11:18
sledges:D11:18
DrainBamagedWe'll be more than covered11:18
DrainBamagedJust remember to bring a CD or two for the journey11:18
sledgesyep11:18
* sledges grabs a CD case11:18
DrainBamagedI have my comedies and GTA V soundtracks11:18
sledgescomedies?11:18
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Sceltbest of voice navi: "Drive straight ... the next ... three ... hundred ... kilometers" Thank you!11:18
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DrainBamagedYes, Cabin Pressure and Down the Line, for example11:19
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* sledges plugs youtube11:20
sledgesDrainBamaged: I got Da Vinci's Notebook album, so will blend 'music' and comedy :)11:21
DrainBamagedoki, I don't know this so that works for me11:21
sledgesso we got crew, ship, and the map.11:23
sledgesvenue is missing (cc ggabriel :)11:23
* DrainBamaged nods11:24
sledgesDrainBamaged: what's Denzil? Benzin or Diesel? :D11:24
DrainBamagedDiesel11:24
sledgesor hybrid :D11:24
DrainBamagedI call it Denzil because it sounds more fun11:24
sledgesderv11:25
sledges:D11:25
DrainBamagedderv?11:25
sledgesdiesel oil for road vehicles :D11:26
sledges(diesel-engined road vehicle)11:26
DrainBamagedOh ok11:26
vgradesledges: re venue for hacking I applied to google campus but they said they could not do that day11:30
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sledgesmmm, hackerspaces spring to mind11:34
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DrainBamagedWe need a starting time too, sledges.11:38
* DrainBamaged likes to plan things11:38
sledgessetting off from brizzle? -2hours? ;)11:38
DrainBamagedCentral London will take another hour from M25 junction11:39
DrainBamagedI reckon on three hours11:39
DrainBamagedGive or take11:39
sledgessafe11:39
DrainBamagedBut we neither know venue or start time :D11:40
pdanekI was unfortunate and traveled to airport during The Tube strike. Guess what, I had to sleep in the airport. :)11:40
DrainBamagedOh no11:40
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pdanekNever underestimate power of London traffic.11:41
DrainBamagedThere's a song about the London Underground11:41
DrainBamagedI know, it's pretty solid most the time11:41
* SK_work wants to go to London :D11:41
DrainBamagedI've not driven in London for years, central, that is11:41
DrainBamagedIs super crowded, but loads of touristy things to do11:42
DrainBamagedI wouldn't ever live there, but visiting is ok11:42
stephgSK_work: will buy you a beverage of your choice next time you're around11:44
SK_workstephg: :)11:44
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sledgespdanek: http://vimeo.com/9763438311:49
sledgestime for some viral videos, it's friday :D11:50
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goroborolol12:02
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ggabriel12:40 < DrainBamaged> But we neither know venue or start time :D12:08
ggabrielI suggested the founder's arms ages ago12:08
ggabrielI'm happy to start from 12.0012:08
ggabrielbut not sure that's the right venue for hacking as it normally gets busy12:08
ggabriel(especially if the day is nice)12:08
sledgesthat12:10
sledgesany hackerspaces around?12:10
sledgesggabriel:12:10
ggabrielnot that i know of...12:11
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DrainBamagedBristol has one12:12
DrainBamagedI walked past it by accident last week12:12
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* DrainBamaged did a real life 'StumbleUpon' :P12:12
ggabrielyou mean like this http://southlondonmakerspace.org/12:13
ggabrielbut not sure how to join, etc12:13
DrainBamagedThere's this one https://london.hackspace.org.uk/12:13
ggabrielok, you gotta be a member12:14
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sledgesim sure they wouldn't mind having us as guests :)12:15
ggabrieli'm sure they won't but somebody should ping somebody who is a member12:16
ggabrielsundays are often tricky12:16
ballockwe'd just need to find a member which will host us12:16
DrainBamagedOr a pub with free wiffy12:16
goroborothere are plenty of those in London12:17
ggabrielyeah, trouble is that they may be busy12:17
ggabrieloh, and there's the world cup12:17
goroborothe downside is your code is going to get progressively worse through the day12:17
DrainBamagedIt's London, it's GOING to be busy12:17
ggabrielthe pub i suggested, definitely12:17
ggabrielanything else you want to go away from central12:17
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javispedrodid anyone get update7 kernel sources already?12:24
Stskeepsgave it to konsta yesterday12:24
javispedrogreat!12:25
Stskeepsi'm backlogged as f*** atm12:25
Stskeepshttps://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm893012:25
javispedroStskeeps, I understand, thanks!12:25
* javispedro will update tonight12:25
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javispedroStskeeps, btw I retract saying I updated the firmware, turns out I only "updated" the part where calibration, MAC, etc. is stored (I think)12:26
javispedro(on the wlan/prima topic)12:27
Stskeepsok12:27
javispedrofw is nonredistributable12:27
Stskeepsyes afaik12:27
javispedroso I have to suspect it is a fw issue :(12:27
javispedroI tried to go the most recent driver I could without changing the kernel (by bisecting basically)12:28
javispedroand still same issues...12:28
mornfallhmm12:28
mornfallnew connman didn't really help, afterall12:28
mornfallphone still stays stuck with mobile data12:28
javispedromornfall, you can't enable wlan?12:29
mornfalljavispedro: I can, but it doesn't work. :)12:29
mornfallhave to connect manually12:29
mornfall(and that doesn't work until I disable/enable wlan anyway)12:30
javispedroweird12:30
mornfallsame as it always was, anyway12:30
javispedrothere's a connmanctl tool12:30
javispedroI don't remember the package offhand12:30
mornfallactually, I can't connect at all?12:30
javispedrobut it was on the default repos12:30
mornfallgot the stripey wlan icon when I disable mobile12:31
javispedroyeah, mine does the same12:31
mornfalldisabling/enabling wlan doesn't work either12:31
javispedrowlan driver probably crashed :)12:32
mornfalllovely12:32
mornfallproprietary junk12:32
javispedronot propietary any longer, but junk indeed12:33
mornfallit's prima now?12:33
javispedroyeah, this is what I was talking above -- I'm using prima and it seems mostly the same12:34
javispedrothe version used in jolla seems to be a bit of a frankenmonster with some random backports12:34
mornfallah ok... coz for all I can tell I still have the wlan.ko blob12:34
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javispedroin any case this is a different topic because it won't fix your crashiness12:35
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javispedroprobably stopping connman, rmmod wlan, modprobe wlan, start connman would do something12:35
javispedro(or rebooting even =) )12:35
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mornfallfailure to disable host offload feature12:36
sledgesggabriel: i'm talking to london hackspace about creating an event - looks like there isn't to do too much to make it an event, in hopes of us donating12:36
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sledgesi'll try to pull this off, in the worst case we sit in a park/pub/weather-permitting :)12:37
ggabrielsledges: sounds good12:38
mornfallreloading the module doesn't fix it either12:38
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sledgesggabriel: their acceptance looking positive so far yay12:40
sledgeswe'd need to focus on what we want to hack, vgrade with nexusone & other army of phones would be very welcomed :)12:41
vgradeany chance of Jolla donation12:41
vgradesledges: I have devices12:41
sledgesanyone's got a fancy toh too?12:41
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mornfalljavispedro: connman carries its own wpa supplicant?12:43
mornfallapparently no12:44
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sledgeshey now they want us in https://www.emfcamp.org/ too :D12:45
sledgescybette: ^12:45
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ggabrielfestival looks good12:46
javispedromornfall, no, it uses wpa_supplicant12:46
javispedro(but wpa_supplicant reacts to removing the iface better than connman :) )12:46
sledgesggabriel: what do you imagine us hacking on ?12:47
Stskeepssledges: that looks interesting.. mail cybette12:47
sledges(london hackspace is central london -ish, so will be ok for ballock )12:47
sledgesStskeeps: ok12:47
mornfalljavispedro: well, there is a reason why I use wpa_supplicant+dhcpcd on my laptop instead of all those fancy managers that can't get a wlan connection for the life of them...12:48
ggabrielsledges: i have no idea... like you suggest, running sailfish on other devices than jolla is a good start12:48
ggabrielmaybe showing that the nexus 4 can run it12:48
ggabrielmaybe having 2 nexus's 4 and showing that jolla is faster than android :P12:48
sledgesok, high level stuff12:49
sledgesi'd like to show a TOH too...12:49
sledgesbut haven't got any12:49
mornfalljavispedro: systemctl restart connman immediately gave me a connection12:50
mornfalljavispedro: so it's not the wlan driver, it's connman12:50
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javispedromornfall, if you removed and reinserted the module while connman was running that is a big nogo12:50
mornfalljavispedro: uh, why?12:51
javispedromornfall, as said connman doesn't react well to the wlan interface disappearing12:51
mornfallinteresting12:51
javispedroor maybe it's connectionagent, who knows12:51
mornfallbut it's 2014, hotplug has been around for well over a decade12:51
javispedro(connectionagent is jolla's ui for connman)12:51
ggabrielsledges: i assume you mean showing a cool toh rather than hackin git12:52
ggabrielelse you may need a bit more time (to play with electornics and all that stuff)12:52
ggabriel<- not a hacker tho :P12:52
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sledgesggabriel: wireless charging toh or any toh that uses not NFS but the i2c/charging/power pins12:52
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* mornfall installs connman-tools12:53
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sledges*NFC12:53
mornfallonly it's not the package with connmanctl12:53
mornfallhmm12:53
sledgesbut yea, nfc colour covers will be a start for those who haven't seen jolla at all12:53
vgradesledges: how about a topic on tjc12:54
ggabrieli wonder if anybody in london has the led toh, keyboard toh or something like that12:54
sledgesvgrade: last time it was twitter :D12:54
sledges20 peeps in 24 hours :D12:54
HtheB:P12:54
javispedromornfall, try the -test packages12:55
mornfallI have that one already12:55
sledgesyep ggabriel, and if not, we'll just adhere to a loose agenda anyhow, chillin :)12:55
* javispedro checks jolla12:55
* sledges grabs food before proping an email to london-hackspace12:56
Wnthow can I monitor the device power usage from command line session?12:56
javispedrohm12:56
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sledgesWnt: powertop12:56
javispedro`file /usr/bin/connmanctl is not owned by any package'12:56
mornfalljavispedro: cool huh? :-)12:56
javispedrowhere did I get this from? :/12:56
Wntsledges: does it show the mA it's currently pulling from the battery?12:57
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sledgesWnt: don't think it's that smart, but gives you biggest offenders12:57
javispedroooh12:57
mornfalljavispedro: built from source?12:57
javispedromornfall, /usr/lib/connman/tools/connmanctl12:57
javispedrofound it :)12:57
sledgesWnt: i mean, per-app12:57
javispedromornfall, connman-tools12:57
sledgesoverall mA can be found out from upower --dump12:57
Wntsledges: I'm more interested in the mA usage12:57
Wntok, thanks sledges!12:58
mornfalljavispedro: I must be blind, I was staring at rpm -ql connman-tools a minute ago12:58
sledgesWnt: soz, i assumed you want per-app :))12:58
sledgesupower --dump should be for you then12:58
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WntI want to see how long the battery would last when playing a video fullscreen12:58
mornfalljavispedro: next time, ~/bin is a better place for manual symlinks ;)13:00
sledgesWnt: grep for energy-rate and time-to-empty13:00
sledges"time to empty"13:00
Wnt~3 hous when streaming a video from youtube over wlan13:00
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ballocksledges: I'll be bringing an Archos tablet with Android sources to hack, that might be an excuse for letting us in :)13:01
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dr_gogeta86My huawei is waiting for13:01
* sledges wonders if we'll have hadk out by then, ballock :))13:01
javispedromornfall, yep13:02
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ballocksledges: bring whatever you have ;) I think we'll try managing without one13:02
ballockas a last resort we'll be pinging Stskeeps for some tips ;)13:03
sledges:)) good call13:03
ballocksledges: besides, who reads the docs anyway?13:04
sledgeslulz what docs? :))13:04
Temehttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1m9DWfmzYogJ:blog.ruecker.fi/2013/12/01/mosh-for-sailfish/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera boohoo, why doesn't this work :(13:13
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Nicd-ask tbr13:14
tbrmoo?13:14
Nicd-it used to (I had mosh earlier)13:14
ballocktbr: your site's down13:14
tbrI know13:14
tbrI'm migrating servers...13:14
Temegetting 'Fatal error: file '/repodata/repomdl.xml' not found on medium 'http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/dm8tbr:/branches:/nemo:/devel:/mv/latest_arm7hl/'13:14
tbrthat is an OBS thing13:14
Temeworkaround ?13:14
tbrI believe I wrote that this was temporary?13:15
tbruse Chum repos.13:15
* tbr pokes lbt chum7?13:15
Temei believe it was tl;dr and i just bashed in the commands ;)13:15
* tbr should start putting "devel-su rm -rf /" in those again, for those users who don't think13:16
Nicd-don't forget --no-preserve-root13:16
Temehehe13:16
ballockNicd-: was it included in Jolla too? I thought it only arrived in Fedoras?13:17
tbrTeme: meanwhile, try with this one13:18
tbrhttp://repo.merproject.org/obs/sailfishos:/chum:/1.0.4.20/1.0.4.20_armv7hl/13:18
tbrit should work, but hopefully we'll have chum for u7 soon too13:19
Nicd-ballock: I don't actually know13:19
ballockNicd-: why not try running it?13:19
tbralso please everyone contribute to the thoughts on chum13:19
Nicd-ballock: :)13:19
tbrwe need to get something rolling13:19
ballockNicd-: yup, it's there13:20
ballockand I see Ubuntus also have it13:20
ballockso either they all used the patch, or it was pushed upstream13:20
sledgesPSA: tbr & all, chum: http://piratepad.net/iVW0lrOKXF13:21
tbrthanks!13:21
Temetbr: thx i'll give it a spin13:22
sledgestbr: Teme: building mosh against sailfishos:latest repo will produce an u7-compatible one, all good there13:23
sledges(sailfishos:1.0.7.16 in reality)13:23
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sledgeswe just need sailfishos:chum:1.0.7.16 created by lbt for sane world again)13:24
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Hartzidoes anyone have idea how to unhide a person in MK? coderus?13:39
Sailor6916_Hartzi: By shaking the phone...13:41
Hartziwtf13:41
Hartzinice one13:42
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Hartzibut not very intuitive..13:43
Sailor6916_:) yep, it is13:44
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Sailor6916_pretty much impossible to figure out without knowing it....13:48
specialit's very discoverable; you get angry at your phone for not doing what you want, you shake it, and it does what you want13:48
specialemotion-based UX development13:49
goroboro:D:D:D13:49
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Hartzispecial: :DDDD13:49
Hartzitrue!13:49
sharpneliFunny because it's true!13:49
ballockspecial: not really, last phone I shook didn't survive my shaking it13:50
ballockand that one was much less fragile than Jolla (or any other smartphone nowadays)13:50
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specialthen you buy a new phone and it pads my salary, sounds fine to me ;)13:51
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specialbut in seriousness, with the exception of games, "shake" is usually an example of gestures done wrong13:52
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specialone exception: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5rCwKIogNc13:53
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ballockspecial: really? sounds like a huge fail, with maps reportedly asking you to report an issue on every road bump13:59
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specialthere's a setting for it, it might even be off by default13:59
specialI'd also assume they disable it while routing14:00
specialit's all about tuning.14:00
ballockspecial: sure. I'll be tuning a feature that's supposed to let me report an issue?14:00
ballockwow, that's... abuse of my time14:01
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specialthey're referring to map data problems too, not just application bugs14:01
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phlixiactually i think there is a second "valid shake case", i used it on n9, shake to answer a call14:33
phlixibecause it does not need action on the UI, while ringing, take out of pocket, shake and put to ear...14:34
phlixino need to do anything on the display.14:34
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phlixi..of course this shaking should not be mistankenly recognized as "turn on other side" to silence and vice versa ;-)14:35
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FireFlyGood call14:43
FireFlybeing able to answer without interaction with the display seems like a good idea to me14:43
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goroboroagreed... although the shake would have to be vigorous to prevent you from accidentally answering unwanted calls14:44
AciidHey is harbour down for maintenance? Can't seem to add new apps14:46
Aciidah it just loaded forever14:46
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CoderCandyHEY15:15
CoderCandyI solved the 4g data traffic problem15:15
CoderCandyI needed another APN for 4g15:15
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chem|stCoderCandy: shout it to jolla!15:22
CoderCandyUhm, it's carrier specific15:22
chem|stCoderCandy: they source lists provided by dumb carriers...15:23
CoderCandyOh, where do I find that one15:23
chem|stCoderCandy: no idea, but that stuff is sourced from some list15:23
specialpreconfigured APNs come from https://github.com/mer-packages/mobile-broadband-provider-info/15:24
specialor sometimes from provisioning messages by the provider15:24
specialI'm not sure MBPI has the ability to separate 3g and 4g configurations15:24
specialbut it might be worth changing your provider's to the 4g one.15:25
CoderCandyI'm looking at the xml file15:25
CoderCandyand my carrier has it's regular APN there15:25
CoderCandyBut... I have no idea how to add a 4g thing15:26
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Nicd-OMG OMG OMG Marc replied to my comment in TJC <315:31
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Nicd-well, he replied to everyone's comment but still15:31
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Nicd-this is the happiest day of my life15:32
aupoTrue fan, eh? :D15:33
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Nicd-and he called my idea great!15:33
* Nicd- melts15:33
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AL13Nbtw: for anyone who cares to know... i succeeded in using PBAB with my car kit (Parrot)15:42
AL13Nthe clue was that i had inputted the wrong password before15:42
AL13Nso i need to try it, have it fail, then i can change the pin code and then i can retry15:42
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AL13NStskeeps: for my WLAN packet loss problem + duplicates... i had contacted care about it (and the shutdown issue and the sim card holder issue) , but they didn't know what to do with the WLAN packet loss issue15:44
AL13NStskeeps: btw, i tried contacting Sage_ a few times, but he's apparently not online when i am, or something15:44
faenilhaving a chat with Sage_ is not easy, he's super busy :)15:45
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pdanekhttp://www.connectedly.com/daily-show-takes-google-glass-do-you-hear-what-youre-saying15:51
pdanekcool video15:51
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goroboroVideo is US only, sorry15:56
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tbrsome ssh -D socks proxying later the video plays just fine...16:01
goroborobah16:02
goroborocouldn't be arsed16:02
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* tbr is not impressed16:06
tbrcan I have those 5min of my life back ploxx?16:06
ggabrieltbr: have you watched man of steel?16:08
* goroboro is glad to have saved 5 mins :D16:08
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chem|stspecial: yeah usually the highest config works downwards... the 4g config works fro everything but MMS for mine16:10
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tbrggabriel: don't think so16:11
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specialchem|st: MBPI patches welcome ;)16:17
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chem|stspecial: everything is working fine with mine... it is off and on its way to helsinki^^16:22
chem|st;)16:22
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ggabrieltbr: cool, i've already saved you ~2h of your life :P16:24
tbrggabriel: \o/16:24
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kimmoliStskeeps: pling, any news about the gpio ? (it is blocking eink toh development :( ) Running app as root will ruin console output and also the app appearance too16:27
sledgeskimmoli: was it working without root before?16:28
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gexcwould it cause increasing battery consumption by setting the phone at 4G mode in an area without 4G signal coverage?16:29
kimmolisledges: from 1.0.4.x (iirc) and for sure on 1.0.5.19 atleast16:29
tbrkimmoli: how far are you with your eink things? I might want to join in. I can't promise much constructive help but a lot of enthusiasm16:34
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Stskeepskimmoli: well, root can go into journal16:34
kimmolitbr: here i am: https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/476705070814625792/photo/1 and here https://github.com/kimmoli/stm32-toh-programmer16:38
kimmoliStskeeps: that doesn't help ...16:39
sledgeskimmoli: run a daemon?..16:40
Nicd-kimmoli: I love the rage face on the board :D16:40
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kimmoliäh uh oh, but i just made nice gui for programming my arm on toh...  and yes, it will be a daemon eventually... but... in Finnish "Saavutetuista eduista ei luovuta"16:42
sledgesunderstand your situation kimmoli16:44
sledgesstart splitting into two apps? ;) if eventually it will be a headless daemon anyhow with non-priviledged client chattering16:45
kimmoliit eill be daemon eventually, but the programmer would be a separate tool as i intend to use same cpu for (lots) of other future projects too16:47
kimmolibut, i will change it back to cli tool, then i can run it as root16:47
* sledges nods cli ftw for intense developing :)16:47
sledgesquite likely they won't let you remain as nemo only for too long :)16:48
* kimmoli hopes maybe someday the gpio is controllable again as nemo16:48
sledgeswasn't there a reason it anymore isn't?16:48
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kimmolino16:51
kimmolisomeone suspected that someone has forgotten to include udev rule, or that systemd update did mess things up16:51
sledgesoh ok16:51
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kimmoliöh. höm. so maybe i have been wrong afterall. and maybe i have used it as root. maybe i should go to a corner.16:55
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kimmolinow got chance to test it in 1.0.5.19 :: [nemo@Jolla gpio]$ devel-su echo 67 > export  >>  -bash: export: Lupa evätty16:57
* kimmoli shames rageing about this16:57
kimmoliand goes to write a daemon16:57
* Stskeeps offers kimmoli a cold one16:57
kimmolitnx, i have only warm cola16:58
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Nicd-hey kimmoli, forgive me if this is too personal but have you been involved with the maemo / meego projects earlier? and how do have so much time? you just seem extremely productive :D churning out TOHs and apps17:07
Nicd-meanwhile I never seem to have time to continue my app. or I'm just being lazy17:07
kimmoli:)17:07
SK_workNicd-: not only about laziness17:07
SK_work(IMO)17:07
kimmolii sleep less17:08
SK_workespecially if you work and that you want to spend time with your girlfriend / wife / family17:08
SK_workkimmoli: ah, you are lucky17:08
SK_worksome people can't :( (like me :()17:08
specialI wish every night that I could do the "sleep less" thing17:08
specialand every morning it fails17:08
kimmoli:)17:10
SK_workspecial: hum ...17:10
kimmolithat happens17:10
SK_workI thought you never sleep17:11
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specialI require a lot of sleep, it just happens at erratic times17:11
* SK_work imagines special falling asleep during meetings17:12
SK_work(or during hack day)17:12
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specialhaha, nah, always in one block17:12
specialbut you'll never see me before 10am unless I had something scheduled that I can't avoid17:13
SK_workspecial: like the cat you live at night17:13
SK_workor should I have said: like batman, you live at night17:13
specialit's getting harder now that I'm in norway17:13
specialwhere night ..basically doesn't exist right now17:13
SK_work;)17:14
faenilhehe17:14
SK_workreminds me of Jolla love day17:14
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specialit's unfortunate, all the meetings I used to have at 1am are now at 8am17:15
faenilXD17:15
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SK_workspecial: too bad17:16
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AciidEasy daily The Other Half pastel colors now available18:16
Aciidhttps://twitter.com/ilarilind/status/47751457818070630518:16
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Quuwat18:21
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StskeepsAciid: sure that 20eur bill isn't fake?18:23
Stskeeps:P18:23
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slateblueish ibooks were also cool back in the day18:24
slateblue from jeans18:24
slateAciid: all plastics do that.18:25
slateits a feature!18:25
FireFlyMine's still nicely ora^H^H^Hred18:26
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slateMine got quite terrible looking in 2 months18:27
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slatecolored and scrathed18:27
slatebut hey, its made to be used.18:27
Aciidslate: I wasn't being negative18:30
Aciidthis is just cool :D18:30
slatehehe, okey :) not the first time something written is misunderstood.18:31
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lechrisjolla-email stopped automatic updating today. a20:18
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lechrisany ideas what to look for?20:18
Sail0rreboot :x20:19
Sail0rworked for me everytime sync stopped to work ^^20:20
lechrisall acounts disappeared and came back after areboot. just automatic e-mail fetching did not.20:20
lechrisi already rebooted several times. the symptoms remain the same.20:21
Sail0rhmm20:22
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lechrisSail0r, do you have any idea where to look for some hints? logs, config files, ...?20:23
Sail0rjournalctl maybe20:23
Sail0rdid you try to change the time when sync is done?20:23
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Quulechris: you need to delete the email-app-settings-file-thingie20:24
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lechrisi tried. switching from 30 to 5 seconds made it work again for two syncs. i had no luck with this attempt since then.20:25
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lecristhank you very much Quu! two syncs worked like a charm. :)20:58
kimmoliyay, got it communicating !! http://pastebin.com/ADfBkJ0f20:58
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AciidHey, is there any known quirks with SailOTP, I don't seem to get it to work with Google Authenicator codes22:51
Aciid*are there22:51
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AciidI'm using NTP for that so shouldn't be a timing issue22:51
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