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Temeand coming back to the battery life issue, i've been off the charger for 70 mins which 30 playing music, only just now fired up irc05:28
Teme100%->83%05:28
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Temedoes not seem like what it was before u7 :\05:29
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StskeepsTeme: well, might be useful to try and track what it is05:30
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TemeStskeeps: just got to the office, realized the reason: had tethering on and was using it instead of a familiar WLAN :D06:10
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Temeso my bad, move on everyone06:10
Temei guess i was prone to suspect something is wrong since i'd seen some complaints by other users06:11
Temecould be they fell to the same pit :)06:11
Aardshould we move tethering to advanced features only unlocked if you make some tests that you're capable of using your phone? :p06:12
sharpneliOr maybe take it as a hint that the UI could be bit more discoverable?06:12
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Temeyeah, i only discovered it when i could not get to intranet with my work laptop06:15
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Temehad no idea i had turned it on briefly last week06:15
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Temejust pitching an idea that there could be a "turn on for x minutes" or some notification if you've had it on for days without anyone connecting06:18
Nicd-windows phone turns the tethering off if it doesn't have anyone connected for x minutes06:21
Nicd-even that is not foolproof though, I noticed one day that it had been tethering since the morning because my ipod was connected to the phone's wlan :P06:21
Nicd-I had just relied on the auto-shutdown feature06:21
Aardwe do have a kind of auto-shutdown feature -- if battery runs out the hotspot is not available anymore ;)06:22
Teme:D06:23
Nicd-hehe06:23
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fluxaard, doesn't work if you're in the carger :(06:58
fluxcharger even06:58
fluxmaybe it could be fixed by not charging when acting as an ap?-)06:58
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stephgflux: works for me07:00
stephgyou mean a charger or on a pc?07:00
stephgcome to think of it it works for me when attached to a PC for power too07:01
fluxI mean the automatic WLAN AP shutdown functionality won't work if you're connected to a charger.07:01
stephgaah07:01
lpotterconnman does not keep track of tethering clients07:03
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coderushttps://openrepos.net/content/coderus/aliendalvik-superuser-binary test if you want07:30
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ggabrielo/08:19
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Mirvnice, https://marketplace.firefox.com/ installs apps normally on Jolla too (on Android's Firefox). great work from FirefoxOS people.09:00
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Mirvnext step: the same FirefoxOS apps installation via built in gecko browser?09:02
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stephgMirv: cool09:08
slateStskeeps: update 7 for mako in testing stage?09:19
Stskeepsslate: aye09:19
slateGreat news.09:20
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gexcno sudden reboots for near one week without paper, hmm, good09:36
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Nicd-no reboots since mine got back from optima a couple of weeks ago09:37
svuorelaI wonder what there was in the last update that seems to have fixed the speakers09:37
* gexc is wondering what did optima do09:39
Nicd-gexc: to mine?09:39
gexcyep09:39
Nicd-they replaced the SIM holder09:40
gexccould recent units of battery get a more 'suitable' size?09:40
gexc:O09:41
gexcso is it 'loose sim'->'high power consumption'->reboot09:42
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MnsuI also removed the paper after latest update, no sudden reboots since09:47
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Quuiirc they changed the limits/something09:57
Quuto prevent shutdowns09:57
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pdanekMy icon for Terminal disappeared --> reappeared again after reboot of Jolla. Strange.10:21
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tbrWTFBBQ. I had a missed call and it shows me a contact name (who most certainly did not call). If I go to the list it shows (correctly) "private number"11:22
tbrknown bug?11:22
Stskeepsuhh11:23
Stskeepsspecial: ^11:23
specialtbr: so the notification is wrong, but the call history is correct?11:23
tbrcorrect11:23
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specialhave ssh access handy?11:24
tbrsure11:24
tbrI _suspect_ it took the first contact with a number...11:25
specialpkcon install nemo-qml-plugin-contacts-qt5-tools11:25
tbras the contact started with B and I don't have many entries11:25
specialas nemo: devel-su -p; contacts-tool search "name of that contact"; contacts-tool details [id of that contact]11:25
specialmy guess is that it has a phone number detail with an empty string as a phone number11:26
specialI thought we had prevented that case for update7, but I might have my timeline wrong (or we might have screwed it up)11:26
tbrah, let's check that11:26
Venemo_jcan the jolla open ps files?11:27
specialhm, that should be in update711:27
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specialthere is a known bug that the notifications don't handle private numbers properly. But resolving it as some other contact is a different level of weird11:28
kimmolidifferent from 19861 ?11:28
specialyes, different11:29
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tbrspecial:     PhoneNumber:;0;Home11:30
tbrand a second one with a genuine phone number11:30
Venemo_jseems it can't :(11:30
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kimmoliVenemo_j: ps as postscript?11:31
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Venemo_jkimmoli: yep11:31
tobiskiI unplugged charger this morning at 8am and now 2:30pm I got 34% battery left, that's not good :/11:31
tbrspecial: after editing and saving the contact, the line disappeared, also in the edit view there was only the working number11:31
specialyeah, People wouldn't accept that11:31
specialit probably came from a sync11:31
tbryes, I think it came from a google sync11:32
specialbut it should not have been resolved. Will file a bug about that..11:32
* tbr looks up the contact on the google side11:32
specialI wonder how a contact with a phone number of " " would be handled11:32
tbrhrm, on the google side the entry has no phone numbers at all...11:33
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kimmolihmm... in people, there is some email addresses listed which i cant delete. Long press doesnt do nothing11:38
kimmolisingle-tap doesnt allow to edit11:38
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specialkimmoli: what's the icon to the left of it in the edit dialog?11:39
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kimmoliearth ?11:39
specialsome linked details (from sync accounts, etc) can't be edited11:39
kimmolisame as others, those which i can edit have underline (like in textfield)11:40
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Yanieluhh, tracker/media player11:40
Yaniely u do this11:40
Yanielrandomly songs eiher 1) don't show up after a reboot or removing+reinserting memory card11:41
Yanielor 2) just don't play11:41
Yanielin the latter case journalctl says something about "no URI"11:41
coderuskimmoli: you need to edit details in google/facebook, not at phone11:41
kimmolithese details are not in google nor in exchange11:42
kimmolii have deleted that wrong address ages ago11:42
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coderuskimmoli: where is then? :)11:44
kimmolidont know, i removed all 10+ links between just 3 accounts.11:46
kimmolinow i managed deleted the one with wrong email.11:46
kimmolinow when composing new email, i can see the correct address, but 3 times11:47
specialo.O11:47
Quukehfliryeah11:47
specialhmm, did we never..11:47
Quuhrm.11:47
kimmoliit is linked to 3 google accounts with same name11:47
Quusomehow, i have Aard's number in my phone 15 times11:47
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Quucant combine/delete any of them because they undo themselfs11:48
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Nicd-:D11:48
Nicd-overly attached Aard11:49
Quuwell there are other contacts too11:49
specialkimmoli: reproduced the incorrect de-duplication of email addresses, will file a bug about that11:49
specials/incorrect/missing/11:49
kimmolideleting links will interrupt remorse timers of other deletions when first triggers11:49
kimmoli(tjsp)11:50
kimmolinow deleted all expect the one from exchange, now i got only one. we'll see when google syncs next time11:50
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sledgesLondon calling! https://www.google.com/calendar/render?eid=czBocjdxOXExbzB1dGc5dWpiaHFpMGc0ZzAgZ2MxYm9wbWgzYzVuMG9ndmxvNmNldWpsa2NAZw&ctz=Europe/London&sf=true&output=xml (cc: ballock ggabriel DrainBamaged1 vgrade lbt alterego sdjayna bcc: cybette) https://twitter.com/sledgeSim/status/47850495104884736011:52
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stephg:)11:54
sledgescc: stephg11:54
sledges:D11:54
stephgyou know I'm coming anyway ;)11:54
sledges;D oh yes11:54
stephgthough I may be a bit late (depends on the weather)11:54
sledgesno strict start time ;)11:54
sledgesit's a relaxed lazy event :)11:54
sledgesit's Sunday!11:55
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sledgesone more: https://twitter.com/sledgeSim/status/478506787885555712 :)12:00
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ggabrielsledges: \o/ and thanks12:03
ggabrielany chance to get the address of the hack place without logging into google? :)12:03
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sledgesgoogle.com w/o logging?12:05
sledges:D12:06
sledgesor bing.com if you prefer :))12:06
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ggabrielsledges: just a post code would be fine12:06
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ggabrielyeah, i never log in google... don't have the password with me anyway12:07
sledgesLondon Hackspace12:07
sledges447 Hackney Road12:07
sledgesLondon12:07
sledgesE2 9DY12:07
ggabrielta12:08
ggabrieladding to jolla calendar12:08
sledgestime: 14-1812:08
sledgeswe shouldhave lunch at 13 somewhere, so not to think about food during the event :)12:09
sledgesnor go out/bring food either12:09
ggabrielexcellent12:10
ggabrielplenty of time to go climbing providing that i wake up early enough12:10
sledgesis your pub in vicinity?12:10
ggabrielkinda, let me check12:10
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ggabrielsledges: pub I suggested (founder's arms) is not too close12:13
ggabrieli mean, say 30' travel time12:13
ggabrielnot too bad either12:14
ggabrielproblem is the bloody football12:14
sledgesfootball is usually late12:14
coderusDirty but working Superuser binary + apk bundle package for Jolla: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/aliendalvik-superuser12:14
ggabrielsledges: yes, but people go to the pub early to get a seat :)12:14
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ggabrielthere's this pub close to the hack place (and close to a tube station for peeps to go to liverpool st) http://here.com/united-kingdom/london/bar-pub/the-shakespeare--826gcpvn-5e745f77796545419231ac8e5ebc2d8612:15
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ggabrieli've never been there tho :P12:15
sledgesggabriel: i don't see any good matches that day might save us ;) : belgium vs russia, south korea vs algeria, united states vs portugal12:15
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sledgesbest to find pub which has (one) are without a TV, will surely be plenty of seats :)12:16
sledges*area12:16
ggabrielwell, i can't help much... the founders is massive, and if the weather is nice, they have a terrace12:17
ggabrielthe one massive one i know without tv's everywhere is in lewisham12:18
ggabrielwhich is really nice12:18
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ggabrielbut it's a bit of a treck away (hackney->london bridge->lewisham, and then lewisham->london bridge->tube/bus to liverpool st)12:18
ggabrielalso, london HACK space is in HACKney gg12:18
sledges*_*12:19
sledgesGGabriel :)12:19
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ggabrieli used to attend wickid parties in hackney wick too :P12:19
ggabrielanyway, preference is non football pub12:20
ggabrieli can go for a quick recon mission before going to the hack place12:20
ggabrielthere's the royal oak too12:20
ggabrielthat area (e2) isn't too busy either, so it may be a good place to find something12:20
ggabrielagain, no nice views upon thames and whatnot12:20
ggabrielbut hey12:20
sledgeswas about to suggest - take take away away and go for an hour squandering the surroundings between 13 and 14 o'clock12:21
sledgesif we will still be publess by that date12:21
ggabrielwe fail over to *12:21
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ggabrielha, the marksman pub, i like the name12:22
sledgesanything fishy? ;)12:23
sledges(kidding)12:23
ggabrielprobably chippy :P12:23
ggabrielok, we'll manage12:23
ggabrieli can't think today anyway12:23
sledgessafe :)12:24
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AardQuu: that's a feature, not a bug.12:37
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coderusAard: Quu hmmm12:48
coderusi'm having 15 contacts of myself too... and it's appearing every time again.12:48
coderusWhat is that feature for?12:48
AardQuu: that you can't get rid of me, if I'm in the contacts :p12:49
* Aard watches you!12:49
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coderusnot 14 or 16, every time 15 copies of same contact.12:52
Stskeepsgoogle apps installed?12:52
coderuscontact with just phone and no other info. and phone marked ad landline number.12:52
coderusStskeeps: yes12:52
coderusmarked as*12:52
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matrixxhas any idea what might be wrong.. suddenly my jolla stopped receiving phone calls, they go straight to the answerer13:07
matrixxnetworks shows signal and mobile data works13:08
Stskeepsmatrixx: operator? change to "Prefer 3G" -- any changes?13:08
matrixxon Sonera13:08
matrixxlet's try13:08
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matrixxno help :/13:09
Stskeeps /system/bin/logcat -b radio           -- make a call to the device?13:09
matrixxshould it do something, it just hangs13:10
matrixxapparently it should output something if the call would have went through?13:12
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Stskeepsyes13:18
Stskeepswas this as root?13:19
matrixxah crap.. seems that my sim card is broken13:20
matrixxI found another device to try on, and the same issue persists13:20
Stskeepsor network has problems13:20
matrixxnetwork works fine, except the call receiving13:20
matrixxI can still make phonecalls if that matters13:21
Stskeepsthat .. sounds od13:21
Stskeepsd13:21
Stskeepsi'd be inclined to blame sim or your network13:21
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specialcould also be something like call forwarding or similar network settings13:21
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specialbut yeah, contact operator13:22
matrixxI doubt it's a network issue since my colleague has also similar company sim and it works fine13:22
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StskeepsHMM13:22
Stskeepserr, hmm13:22
specialsettings -> apps -> phone, check call forwarding and call barring settings13:23
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matrixxalready checked, no call forwarding on13:26
matrixxalso haven't touched any settings, just started to happen13:26
matrixxbut I now contacted my operator, let's see what they say13:26
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Venemo_jmatrixx: they should replace your faulty sim card13:49
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DrainBamaged1nice one sledges15:43
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circ-user-nS7TSHi there15:44
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sledgescheers drive DrainBamaged1 :)15:58
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Anz_I'm unable to zoom some emails. is this a known issue?16:08
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Milo-why'd the device restart itself, when SIM card is removed?16:31
ggabrielMilo-: it doesn't in my case16:32
ggabrielit gives me the option but i ignore it16:32
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Milo-just received new SIM card from DNA, removed the old one and placed the new one in, and the device had shut itself down somewhere in between16:32
Milo-seemed unnecessary.16:32
Milo-ah..16:33
Milo-the "restart now" area is so big, that it's very easy to accidentally hit, while paying attention to the backside..16:34
Milo-that sounded strangely erotic.16:34
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ggabrielwell16:38
ggabrieli have pressed the button unintentionally in the past16:39
ggabrielso maybe that was the case16:39
Milo-I'm assuming that now16:39
dunphttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/chinese-govt-reveals-microsofts-secret-list-of-android-killer-patents/16:40
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pdanekStskeeps: Did you also fancy the wireless earbud from movie Her? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1629248706/earin-the-worlds-smallest-wireless-earbuds16:44
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sqozzhello together, do someone know if its possible to listen to FM-radio with my jolla?16:45
Milo-seems like something that you could use once.. and after that you wouldn't be able to find one of them.16:45
Milo-other than that, love it.16:45
javispedrosqozz, seemingly not.16:46
pdanekMilo-: yea, especially in some busy office space, it could get lost easily16:47
Milo-or jogging and one pops out of the ear.16:47
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Milo-that's what happens with all-in-ear headphones. no matter what kind of foam they use.16:47
Milo-all in-ear*16:48
pdanekMilo-: not true16:48
Milo-and I'm yet to find good bluetooth in-ear headphones. problems: bad quality, rattle, and occasional "lag"16:49
pdanekMilo-: true16:49
pdanek:D16:49
ggabrieldepends on the ear16:49
ggabrielmy ear is rubbish16:49
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ggabrielor maybe it doesn't want to hear evil16:49
pdanekggabriel: there is always option to get custom headphones, although a bit more expensive16:49
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ggabrielpdanek: true, but yuk16:50
ggabrieland it's a faff16:50
Milo-wired in-ear headphones are mostly annoying because of the wire.16:50
ggabrieli use the ethymotics (i think) ones wchih are stuck-in-ear16:50
Milo-but the quality is just superb16:50
ggabrieland they are ok16:50
ggabrielthey hurt a bit, but great for running16:50
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ggabrielwhat i really want is a neural lace16:51
Milo-ah.. my perfect saying from the climbing world is: "if it hurts, it'll stick"16:51
pdanekggabriel: recommended: http://www.minerva-hearingprotection.co.uk/mi-performer-pro.html  or maybe cheaper one: http://www.minerva-hearingprotection.co.uk/mi-performer.html16:51
ggabrielpdanek: interesting16:52
Milo-I'm currently using koss isparks. they are used just like those ear protects you might use while outdoor shooting ranges or while working in noisy factories16:52
pdanekethymotics are good, but I would also buy custom ear plugs for them16:52
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Milo-mostly they stick pretty well, but sometimes the foam pulls it out.16:52
ggabrielwell, i still have to option to pop by boots and do it16:52
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ggabrielpdanek: would you say they stick properly, i.e., good for running?16:53
Milo-£400 for set of in-ear headphones O_O16:54
ggabrielshure are in the same range tbh16:54
ggabrielyou can always pay more for audio equipment16:55
Milo-oh dear :)16:55
Milo-but something to listen to mp3 files when jogging..16:55
Milo-sounds a bit overkill16:55
ggabrielthe trouble is that these in-ear solutions are untestable16:55
ggabrielit isn't overkill when it lasts and performs16:56
pdanekYou can keep using Ethymotics and just buy custom earbuds which you use instead of foam. For example: http://www.acscustom.com/uk/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=26&virtuemart_category_id=216:56
pdanekMany headphones like Ethymotics are compatible with ER moulds.16:56
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Milo-pdanek those are specially for each customer?16:56
pdaneksure16:56
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Stskeepspdanek: :)16:57
pdaneklook bottom on the page16:57
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ggabrielhehe, they're as expensive as the headphones themselves16:57
ggabrielbut thanks for the tip pdanek ;)16:57
pdanekTrue.16:57
pdanekExpensive.16:57
pdanekIt's only if someone needs superior comfort.16:57
Milo-damn :o16:58
Milo-didn't know they had such services16:58
ggabrielehtymotics comes with the boots one which is a lot cheaper16:58
pdanekNot just Ethy.16:58
ggabrielnot sure it'll be the same quality tho16:58
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Milo-finland probably doesn't have that kind of services :)16:58
circ-user-KyaiJHey, who's in for a riddle? :-)16:58
Milo-I'm sure we are too cheap for that :)16:59
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pdanekThere are hundreds of full-custom headphones, that the whole piece including electronics or cable is made into your ear-shape. Either in silicone or acrylic version. Silicone version is more comfortable.16:59
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circ-user-KyaiJDo we have some cracks from Jolla online?16:59
circ-user-KyaiJhttp://pastebin.com/XSDHR8Vp16:59
circ-user-KyaiJI might have scrambled up sth. in line 923 something goes wrong17:00
circ-user-KyaiJit's the output of my journalctl.17:00
circ-user-KyaiJofono can't work17:00
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Yanielthere are some sailors lurkin around here yes17:01
circ-user-KyaiJstskeeps for example?17:01
circ-user-KyaiJ:P17:01
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Milo-I like how that "pledged amount" keeps increasing as I'm watching the video17:04
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Milo-I think it just jumped several thousands.17:04
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MoritzJTwhich video are you watching?17:06
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pdanekStskeeps: Maybe you've noticed that I often start off-topic discussions in here. Is it acceptable, or too much?17:10
ggabriellike i said before, i'd have missed riot if it weren't for the off topic-ness of #jollamobile17:11
ggabrielso keep it coming17:11
Stskeepspdanek: well, stay mostly on-topic or related, should be fine17:11
ggabrielunless ofc we're having a relevant discussion17:11
pdanekok ;)17:11
Stskeepsie, strange new hws are certainly on topic17:11
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ggabrieli wouldn't say audio accessories are off topic fwiw17:12
MoritzJTWhat new HW? Can i get an update?17:12
MoritzJTor link17:12
ggabriele.g., the jolla is ok for high quality xyz brand etc etc17:12
MoritzJTBy the way, stskeeps, have you seen my paste? ;-) http://pastebin.com/XSDHR8Vp17:12
StskeepsJun 16 18:13:07 Jolla kernel: ofonod: unhandled page fault (11) at 0x00000010, code 0x01717:13
Stskeepsthere's your problem17:13
ggabrielMoritzJT: out of curiosity, patched conman?17:13
MoritzJTyes, patched conman, that ran fine for a week17:13
ggabrielk17:14
MoritzJTI had a random reboot, after that, no SIM, no BT, no WiFi, ofc.17:14
MoritzJTIt happened with my Alien Dalvik freshly rooted and me playing with ROM toolbox and Android Busybox installer.17:14
Turskibtw, is jolla hardware able to communicate with sdcard reader faster than about 12 MB/s?17:14
MoritzJTI have no idea if touching alien dalvik stuff could lead to this.17:14
Turskisince that's the max i'm able to get17:14
Turskiat least for write17:15
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MoritzJTIf you want fast write to your Jolla, follow this for a FAT32 partition: https://together.jolla.com/question/10002/alternative-to-mtp-usb-mass-storage/?answer=43463#post-id-4346317:16
TurskiMoritzJT: FAT32? are you kidding?17:16
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MoritzJTno, I'm not kidding, I used that to have USB-OTG from N8 and 808 able to handle it ;-) Also old WinXP machines in work environment without exfat stuff enabled17:17
Turskiwell, i already have tuned journal-less ext4 partitioned card17:17
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MoritzJTstskeeps, should that page fault tell me sth.? I'm considering to reset my device instead17:17
TurskiMoritzJT: i have no reason to use any microsoft crap on my devices17:18
MoritzJTwell I haven't managed to expose SD-Card the same way that is described in the link17:18
dunpfat emulation?17:18
MoritzJTWell lucky you then ;-) The above works with any FS. Use EXT4 then17:18
StskeepsMoritzJT: can you reproduce?17:19
MoritzJTit's still quicker for access than writing to SDcard for me17:19
TurskiMoritzJT: the post you linked looks like something that should be burned17:19
TurskiMoritzJT: just format the sd card and insert it into jolla, it will work as long as it's not exfat :)17:20
Turskii prefer ext417:20
StskeepsMoritzJT: if so, i wouldn't mind a copy of the coredump17:20
StskeepsMoritzJT: ah.. WLAN not activateable17:20
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Stskeepswell that complicates matter17:20
Stskeepss17:20
dunphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format ?17:20
StskeepsMoritzJT: are you sshing in over usb?17:21
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dunphttp://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf17:21
Turskii was more intrested about hardware limits on sd card speeds17:22
Turskisince my card support write speeds up to 80 MB/s17:22
MoritzJTthat's probably a limitation of how the SD-Card is exposed on Jolla17:22
MoritzJTjust guessing17:23
Turskii'm guessing too that ~12 MB/s is the bandwidth between sdcard reader and cpu17:23
Turskibut if someone is getting higher speeds, let me know17:24
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MoritzJTYes, so that's why I take out my card for large files. I'll benchmark mine later. It's formatted to exfat though, no idea if that poses an additional limitation, we'll see17:24
dunpif user need install fat support for phone? normal fs is ext4?17:24
Turskioh, actually i can copy from /dev/zero at speed of 32 MB/s17:26
mdxthSpeed results with 1 gigabyte file: http://pastebin.com/GeeNfdej17:26
Turskidunp: what you mean with normal fs?17:27
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TurskiMoritzJT: how you measured that?17:27
MoritzJTfat support is already on jolla, right?17:27
Turskimdxth: ^17:27
MoritzJThow I measured what? :D17:27
TurskiMoritzJT: tabfail17:27
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dunpfat?17:28
dunpdefault for sd cards17:28
Turskidunp: exfat is default for SDXC17:28
dunpok but ms patented fs.. :(17:29
Turskithat's why i formatted my card to ext417:29
MoritzJTistn't exfat-nofuse an FS that's derived from it but open?17:30
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MoritzJTWell, problem erased ;-) Thanks Stskeeps. Will report later CU all17:46
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lokimotivehey18:31
Stskeepsmoo18:31
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parasemichey18:35
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Stskeepsm000018:35
parasemicso i installed the update, no help18:35
parasemici think my phone is just flat out broken, it seems to lose connection to everything every 30 seconds or so18:36
Stskeepsso you factory reset, installed update and what's happening?18:36
parasemicnot yet, didnt have time to do all that18:36
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Stskeepsok18:36
Stskeepsand you wouldn't define yourself as a power user?18:37
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parasemicyeah i would, but im not really a linux person18:39
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TMavicaanyone got emoiji keyboard working?18:41
TMavicaemoji18:41
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parasemici did the backup.tar including only my contacts, resetting now18:44
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parasemicok this is weird19:03
parasemicmy screen got some dead pixels after reset .. ?19:04
Stskeepsshoouldn't .. photo?19:04
parasemicthey werent there before, that's for sure19:04
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pdanekDo you consider this as a good ad? http://youtu.be/rGW76JB90Ro19:05
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parasemicstskeeps, cant really get a good photo. some green pixels around right side of the screen19:05
Stskeepsok, anyway: sounds like you might want to contact care19:06
FireFlySee if they show up on a screenshot19:07
FireFlyi.e. if it's a rendering bug or physical bug19:07
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parasemicok, its not showing up in a screenshot19:21
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stephgevening all19:29
Stskeepsevening stephg19:29
* stephg is somewhat in heaven, glass of wine, football, bike maintenance and good folks talking about linux phones19:30
stephgevening Stskeeps19:30
pdanekFreeBSD phones! The hype!19:31
vgrade\o19:31
stephgheh19:32
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parasemicok this gets even more interesting. now my settings app broke (graphically) when doing first update19:37
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attahI think we should have a "bug of the week" here :P19:38
attahThey aren't a whole lot.. but they sure are strange..19:39
jake9xxkimmoli: ping19:39
parasemichttp://kuvaton.com/k/yBjJ.jpg19:41
parasemicwat19:41
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Stskeepsparasemic: that's a screenshot?19:41
stephgif you click on accounts or Apps does the grey go away?19:41
Stskeeps(done how?)19:42
Bawali'll just connect the few rows above... there's this funny feature, where the device will go crazy and all PPP-P-P-PPI-PINGG-G when it finds a connection after a while and there's more than one message waiting19:42
Bawalmaybe one would do19:42
parasemicno, wont go away. it just is like that after i updated to 1.0.2.519:42
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parasemicthis is getting pretty hilarious19:42
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Stskeepsparasemic: yeah.. that's for sure -- i think you should contact care at this point :)19:42
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parasemicstskeeps, yeah that seems pretty reasonable at this point19:45
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parasemichowever, im updating to the latest version just to see what funny is gonna come up19:45
Stskeepsgive me the zendesk id when that comes, that device sounds.. interesting19:46
parasemicmaybe i just have a "monday piece" as ive been struggling with weird issues since forever19:46
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parasemicunstable wlan, kinda weird touch recognition, bad call quality etc19:47
Stskeepsyeah, doesn't sound good19:49
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TurskiRAM/flash fail?19:49
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ShadowJKwhat does "problem with sync" in email app cover mean..19:50
Turskireminds me from one problematic RAM stick i had on my pc once19:50
stephgShadowJK: either sending or receiving failed for one (or more) accounts19:50
ShadowJKhow would i find out more?19:51
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ShadowJKin main view it says "just now"19:51
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Aciidhey, does anyone have experience on how to include curl to qtcreator?19:55
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YanielShadowJK: journalctl19:56
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stephghow many accounts ShadowJK19:56
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ShadowJK2, normal email not on autosybc. mfe one on auto19:56
stephgif one fails and one succeeds I think you'll still get 'just now'19:56
stephgwhat happens if you try and sync all again (either from cover, or from the front view)19:57
kimmolijake9xx: ping-u19:57
ShadowJKsays "just now" on both, and error msg in cover still present19:58
stephgand the networking works right?19:58
stephgtry journalctl as yaniel says19:59
stephgif there's nothing there19:59
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ShadowJKwell, im ircing from jolla right now, so...19:59
stephgdo a ps -ef | grep messageserver, get the arguments, kill it and run it in an ssh session and see if it says stuff19:59
stephg(there is a debug or verbose flag but I don't remember what it is off the top of my head)20:00
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parasemicmoar fuan!20:02
parasemicnow my pull down menu got empty20:02
parasemiconly "silence sounds"20:02
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ShadowJKmsyncd failed to load profile hsms20:06
ShadowJKjolla-email ... sync completed with errors!!!20:07
HarhaanJohtajahttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/fi/articles/202471663-Mit%C3%A4-tarkoitetaan-Oikopoluilla-20:07
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ShadowJKthough no indication in journalctl of possible issue...20:11
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pdanekSkype for Linux is such a crap.20:14
lpotterskyper was better when it was kaaza20:15
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lpotterskype even20:16
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NichopeI don't get why Skype for linux should be so bad, as long as you're not an art lover :S I mean, doesn't it do pretty much the same that on Windows? (maybe except for msn merging and ¿multiple videocalls? dunno)20:19
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stephg ShadowJK start messageserver5 in the foreground, irrc that's what does the actual work20:27
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ShadowJKstephg: messageserver5 running in a fingerterm, sybc error went away..20:30
Yanielhas anyone had success with 4g in germany?20:31
Yanielit worked nicely after the update in finland and sweden and a bit in denmark20:32
Yanielbut in germany and austria I have only seen 2g and 3g20:32
ShadowJKno output in fingerterm fron messageserver520:32
CoderCandy... oookay20:33
CoderCandythat was the weirdest bug I've found so far20:33
CoderCandyThe GUI crashed after a call with my mother20:33
CoderCandyso I put the phone down20:33
CoderCandyand all of a sudden my aunt started speaking20:33
CoderCandyMy phone had called her for some reason.20:33
CoderCandyNow the led is just flashing green20:34
stephgShadowJK: that's weird. I wonder if it was a bug in messageserver or something20:34
CoderCandyand there it was flashing red20:34
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CoderCandySeems to be up now20:34
Stskeepsupdate7?20:35
CoderCandyYup, latest update including connman hotfix20:35
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netzviehYaniel: I tried it shortly with T-Mobile but it didn't get 4G, only 3G. My work phone (xperia z) connects just fine to the 4g net20:40
Yanielhm I suspect frequencies then20:40
netzviehafaik it's supposed to work20:42
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ShadowJKstephg: presumably this mfe thing has contacts and cslendsr stuff too, is thst also handled by messageserver5?20:43
netzviehhmm i know there are a couple of germans here, but the only person i can remember lives in .fi :D and I'm not sure if any of them has 4g anyway :D20:43
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stephgShadowJK: pass, but probably20:48
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TemeVYaniel: I have 4G working in Germany with O220:49
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Aciidany information about crosscompile toolchains for sailfish? I'd like to get curl to build ;_;20:50
Aciid(I'm a huge pleb and I want to use curl for my rest calls)20:50
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Stskeepscurl is preinstalled20:50
Stskeeps(AFAIK)20:50
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pdanek4G with Play carrier in Poland works well.20:51
Aciidyeah, but I'm building an app. and I'm using curl lib, not curl binaries20:51
Stskeepspdanek: indeed, i have same operator20:51
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TemeVYaniel: and there is also this https://together.jolla.com/question/45530/wiki-operation-of-lte-services/#post-id-4730520:52
TemeVOperator: Telekom; Vodafone; E-Plus; O220:52
TemeV4G/LTE working: Yes20:52
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Yanielhm, could be that the operator does not want to give me 4g when roaming then21:04
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Yanielnordic countries do not count as roaming on my plan21:05
netzviehyeah but doesn't explain why I don't have 4g with the jolla21:05
netzviehwell it was my work sim, i just used it to test the connection, so it's not much of a problem21:05
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pdanekDo you think Intel will eventually be able to compete with top ARM chips?22:18
pdanekOr it will stay mid-tier?22:18
pdanekBecause ARM develops really fast, so whatever Intel brings, ARM may do a step forward again.22:19
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