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Sailor8545_Good day everyone! Is it known if there will be Android apps multitasking in Jolla as well?10:33
Jopethey already multitask just like in android10:36
Nicd-if you mean separate covers for running android apps, then yes10:36
Jopebut I guess you're asking wioll there be a separate cover10:36
Jopeand as nicd said, yes10:36
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Sailor8545_yea, separate covers10:37
Jopeyeps, that was announced to be included in an upcoming release10:37
Sailor8545_cool10:38
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Sailor8545_Also, is Jolla paid by Yandex?10:40
Nicd-they might have a deal but it's not public information10:40
ggabrielnot sure whether separate cover == multitask10:40
Nicd-well, they probably do have some sort of deal10:40
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Nicd-note that it's possible to remove yandex store now10:41
w00tggabriel: it's certainly a lot more multitasking than there is right now :p10:41
ggabrielw00t: true, at least you can see something. but i don't agree with multitasking being what android does10:41
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w00tI don't think any of us do, that's why we're here :)10:42
Sailor8545_most of end users are happy with just separate covers anyway10:44
Sailor8545_I think Android cannot afford to have real multitasking, due to memory consumption10:45
Sailor8545_at least not now10:45
ggabrielSailor8545_: add battery consumption to that too10:45
ggabrieleasy fix: use ms-dos's kernel instead of linux :P10:46
w00tall this talk about wayland and mir.. we should just write a touch based ncurses ui10:47
w00tStskeeps: ^ new job for you in research10:47
Stskeepsdie10:47
Sailor8545_sailfish should have no ui, just mer with cli10:48
Sailor8545_and phys. keyboard10:48
Sailor8545_8bit maps10:49
Sailor8545_lynx web10:49
ggabrielStskeeps: the what? :)10:49
w00tStskeeps: did you see the libcaca qpa plugin?10:49
Stskeepsno10:49
w00tStskeeps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJyF99uqSbY10:49
tbrlibcaca? srlsy? :D10:49
giucamapart the name, that's amazing10:50
Sailor8545_now after you posted the link, is there any way how to automatically open yt links in yy app?10:50
Sailor8545_o.O10:50
ggabrieli think there's a tjc for that10:51
rangoyhttp://www.tomsguide.com/us/chinese-smartphone-spyware,news-19003.html <- could this phone be bought cheap and upgraded to sailfish?10:51
tbrsomeone would need to port the spyware though ;)10:51
rangoytbr: true.. maybe we have to ask the vendor. or just run it in the dalvik vm10:52
tbrthere are so many cool things I've seen being done with libcaca, and that's another, thanks w00t. :)10:53
w00tmy pleasure10:54
Sailor8545_It's N9500, successor of N950!!10:54
Jopeha ha only serious http://welectronics.com/gsm/Nokia/nokia%209500%20open.jpg10:55
Sail0rrangoy: and what makes you sure that the spyware is gone after flashing sailfishos? Could also be a baseband spyware10:55
* Jope had one of those when they were new10:55
Jopeactually it's probably still somewhere around the house10:56
rangoySail0r: can never be sure, but i guess they won't bother as the current solution is good enough10:56
ggabrielin fairness, the jolla may have spyware in the baseband implementation too as that's super secret and nobody has the code10:57
Sail0rrangoy: but even if you can get rid of the spyware why support a vendor like that ?10:57
ggabrielSail0r: +1, i'd still get a jolla, but understand that not everyone can afford one10:59
rangoySail0r: my guess is that they they subsidice their phone to sell you... i guess they sell it in less than or equal to prod. cost.10:59
Sail0rggabriel: there are more cheap phones :)10:59
Sailor8545_would prefer portrait only device or landscape only device?11:05
Sail0rnone of them ^^11:06
Sail0rI use landscape for typing and portrait for surfing11:06
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ggabrielSailor8545_: there's this switch in settings that allows you to use the jolla one way or another11:07
ggabrielor even dynamically11:07
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Sailor8545_I know :D I am asking if one has too choose permanently one or the other11:08
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Sailor8545_I'm pdanek btw11:08
ggabrielpermanently? portrait11:08
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ggabriel(assuming no hw kbd)11:09
Sailor8545_yea, no kbd11:09
Sailor8545_I wonder where can I change nick in IRC app11:09
Nicd-type /nick newnick11:10
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TemeVpdanek: it is also in settings of the server11:10
TemeVlong press server name -> edit11:11
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pdanekthe settings don't have password authentication11:13
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TemeVpassword for irc server? Yes there is11:14
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pdanekok set, thx11:15
ruskiewell my jolla has been ordered11:15
Nicd-pdanek: are you sure you need one?11:15
pdanekI wonder11:15
pdanekhiw come even my pdanek is registered11:16
pdanekI was still able to use it w/o signing in11:16
pdanekwhat's the point of irc password then?11:16
ggabrielpdanek: so that nobody steals your nickname :P11:17
Nicd-pdanek: the password in the IRC server settings is the password for connecting to the server11:17
Nicd-freenode has no such passwords11:18
Nicd-NickServ for preserving your nick is entirely different11:18
Morpog_PC__congrats ruskie hopefully u used a 10€ discount code11:18
pdanekbut othet people can write with my nick11:18
pdanek= useless11:18
Nicd-pdanek: reconnecting to freenode may fail now because you set a password for the IRC server in your settings11:18
Nicd-NickServ on freenode does allow other people to use your nick but you can kill force them to hand it over if you identify yourself11:19
Nicd-s/kill force/force/11:19
pdanekI use pwd for 2 years11:19
pdanekNick: ah, thx11:19
Nicd-I repeat: the password set in the IRC app's settings is not the same thing as your NickServ password11:20
pdanekoh really11:21
pdanekso I have to always manually nsg nickserv?11:21
pdanekthat's silly, why not somewhere in settings11:21
Nicd-ask venemo for that feature11:22
Morpog_PC__or jpnurmi11:22
Nicd-IRC server passwords are part of the protocol so that's why it's in the settings. but it's not the same thing11:22
jpnurmifreenode actually does accept nickserv credentials at server login11:23
ruskieMorpog_PC__, I didn't get any discount code11:24
jpnurmithat's why we didn't bother adding up yet another nickserv-password field11:24
Nicd-jpnurmi: ooh, so they have a modification for that11:24
Morpog_PC__ruskie, bad luck, you could have saved 10€11:24
Morpog_PC__now it's too late11:24
ruskieI already save 50eur by ordering it 2 months later than I thought I would11:24
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Morpog_PC__jpnurmi, seen my message a few days ago about fastscroll?11:26
Morpog_PC__in #communi11:26
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mikmahttp://imgur.com/gallery/8RcQFre11:27
jpnurmiMorpog_PC__: yes, it's done, but i've been waiting for the harbour dudes to move the app to me so i can publish updates11:27
Morpog_PC__ah, so venemo is too busy11:27
jpnurmihe's been busy with his studies and hasn't contributed since jan-feb anyway so...11:28
Morpog_PC__sounds logical11:28
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Morpog_PC__hurry up harbour guys :D11:28
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jpnurmisomeone just needs to do some sql magic :)11:29
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sdjaynajpnurmi: try now11:46
sdjaynajpnurmi: tell me if you see it in harbour under your name11:46
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jpnurmisdjayna: yes, it's there! thank you so much! :)11:47
sdjaynajpnurmi: should be under your name in the store now too11:47
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TMavicaanyone tried this https://openrepos.net/content/locusf/glacier-homescreen11:47
sdjaynajpnurmi: sorry it took so long, if only it was just some sql..11:47
FireFlyNicd-: I'm pretty sure freenode accepts nickserv password as the server password, as one alternate way of identifying11:47
locusfTMavica: only me :)11:48
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TMavicaany screenshot provided is great11:49
jpnurmisdjayna: np, i understand it was quite uncommon request and the highest priority tasks :)11:49
locusfah sure11:49
Nicd-FireFly: apparently so, I didn't know that. but it's still a different thing in the general case :P11:50
FireFlyyep11:50
locusfTMavica: updated openrepos page11:51
TMavicagd11:52
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Nicd-the latest computer culture magazine Skrolli (in Finnish) has a long article on how to code for Sailfish :) (this is the result: https://github.com/Acce0ss/ropedice )11:53
ggabrielah, but doesn't work with accelerometer :P11:54
Nicd-well you can only fit so much into an article11:54
ggabrielthat's fine, just wanted to be the "always room for improvement" guy11:55
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ggabrielactually, moving the device should provide with a seed to randomise the dice better11:55
joonahoiyou could also utilize the camera, and try to figure out the surface texture, then render the dice rolling on the surface recorded by camera ;)11:56
ggabrielaugmented reality OH11:56
joonahoi:D11:56
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TMavicahttps://together.jolla.com/question/47655/jolla-launcher-community-alpha-testing-begins-next-week/12:21
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coderuslocusf: i didnt tried it yet, just guessing now12:38
coderuswrong channel...12:38
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Nicd-ooh!12:43
Nicd-you can now sell your TOHs and the recipient will get to use the ambience12:43
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ggabriel\o/12:51
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gexcdoes the jolla launcher run on a jolla?12:54
ggabrielyou can try to run it in alien dalvik12:55
ggabrielbut why? why?12:55
gexcjust like running a windows with a mac theme on a mac LOL12:55
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TMavicaso TOH can be share, so rpm can be share too? LOL13:30
ggabrieli think that the idea is that when you sell your other half you sell the content along with it13:32
ggabrielsharing the rpm is, as you know, pirating13:32
ggabrielbut hey13:32
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gexcTOHs can be 'borrowed', hmm...13:34
ggabrielwhere's the source for all this btw?13:34
TMavicaborrow to others to download the ambience?13:34
TMavicahttps://together.jolla.com/question/8153/bug-unable-to-download-ambience-2nd-hand/13:34
ggabrielta13:34
ggabrielreading the cybette's post, looks like you can just download the content, yeah13:36
TMavicayes13:36
ggabrieluhm...13:36
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ggabriellooks like i can still use snow white without the other half so gg13:37
ggabrielnot sure this allows OH's owners to just distribute the rpm's for the ambiences tho13:37
Quuyeah? thats how it worked from the start?13:37
ggabrielQuu: yes, i just never tried it before :P13:37
Quuoh okay D:13:37
ggabriel_or_ could be a new restriction13:37
ggabrielif OH's are to be shared13:37
ggabrieli dunno13:37
Quusomeone said copying the rpm works13:38
Quu~month ago13:38
ggabrielcopying the rpm works, indeed13:38
ggabrielit's just not entirely legal13:38
TMavicaSailfish Browser Nightly in openrepos?13:38
ggabriel\o/13:38
coderusTMavica: yes13:38
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TMavicais urs@@?13:38
coderustest please and let me know if any dependency is missing13:38
TMavicait will overwrite default browser or not?13:39
coderusits is default browser13:39
coderusbut never version13:39
coderusnewer*13:39
TMavicaok, thx!@13:39
TMavicagone try13:39
coderusjust text selection feature enabled in this build13:40
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ggabrielnice one13:40
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TMavicacoderus, can u give me ur screenshot of ur folder launcher13:41
coderusTMavica: what you are talking about?13:42
TMavicaum. ur folder with 4 icon, i just want the screenshot u posted before13:43
coderusTMavica: http://i.imgur.com/50UYe3k.png13:44
TMavicathx13:44
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coderusso, what with browser?13:55
TMavicacoderrus so i seem need uninstall the default one to install it13:58
TMavicacoderus13:59
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coderusenable repo in warehouse and check for updates14:01
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TMavicano update show14:02
coderuspkcon install sailfish-browser14:04
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TMavicaok14:05
coderusbrb in 10 minutes14:06
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TMavica??14:15
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TMavicanil help, need uninstall and install urs14:22
Mnsucoderus: libxul.so seems to be missing, can't start the browser14:24
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TMavicaif uninstall and install, sailfish-browser require sailfish setting 1.07, it cant loads the dependency included14:26
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Mnsucoderus: well, not sure if the libxul is related to the segmentation fault14:31
coderusTMavica: you not enabled/not refreshed repository14:31
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coderusMnsu: show me full output14:32
Mnsucoderus: http://pastebin.com/E5tgN0yj14:33
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coderusMnsu: you can't start it with binary only14:34
coderusinvoker --type=qt5 -G /usr/bin/sailfish-browser14:34
Mnsucoderus: http://pastebin.com/62TT4GDP  still the same14:35
coderusMnsu: it's just fallback message, libxul is in /usr/lib/xulrunner-qt5-29.0.1/libxul.so14:37
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coderusok, show me your xulrunner-qt5 and embedlite-components-qt5 versions14:38
Mnsucoderus: http://pastebin.com/861XiPr214:39
coderusand qtmozembed-qt514:40
Mnsuhttp://pastebin.com/H6xXJBpT14:40
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coderusaha thanks, need to upload two more packages14:42
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coderusMnsu: added more packages, please test15:02
Mnsucoderus: works now!15:07
coderuscool, thanks :)15:11
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TMavicaenabled urs repo and check update, still nil show out16:05
Sail0rhttp://thehackernews.com/2014/06/playdrone-reveals-thousands-of-secret.html16:06
SK_workSail0r: thanks16:07
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MoritzJTHi, has anyone managed to copy and backup stuff from /home/nemo in recovery mode to the SD-Card?16:48
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SK_workMoritzJT: on a Jolla ?16:50
SK_workI have a tutorial (in french)16:50
SK_workone sec16:50
MoritzJTI have on in english16:50
SK_work(french but commands are not in french :D)16:50
MoritzJThttps://together.jolla.com/question/41823/howto-permanent-device-lock-recover-your-data-onto-sdcard-if-you-know-the-pin/16:50
MoritzJTIs this the only way? CLI is a hassle XD16:50
SK_workMoritzJT: yes16:50
MoritzJThmm damn16:51
SK_workgood luck16:51
MoritzJThopefully I can mount my exfat card there, dunno if it initializes the exfat module already16:51
TemeVCLI is a friend <316:51
MoritzJTotherwise, I better go for FAT16:51
MoritzJTI know CLI is mighty ;-) I can't execute bklid command, or am I misunderstanding?16:52
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MoritzJTlol16:52
MoritzJTIt's a typo in the tutorial, it's called blkid16:52
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tobiskicoderus: Is Mitakuuluu planned to support emoticons sent from android whatsapp?16:56
coderustobiski: something wrong with emoticons?16:57
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tobiskicoderus: I see only boxes with X in it. Now that I think of it, I probably have and old version installed >_<16:58
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MoritzJTI guess it's rather the emoji keyboard that installs the emoji font having trouble, just like TMavica has them17:05
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coderusMitakuuluu dont care your fonts, it replaces known emoji mappings to images.17:07
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MoritzJTyou're right, sorry17:07
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kimmolitbr: phdeswer >> http://piratepad.nl/tVIX48DaK8 (finally time to return to this thing, writing a dbus-api to read/control gpio17:15
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phdeswerseems piratepad is slooow17:15
tbrindeeeeeed17:16
phdeswerWill check later when I get home. Time to start some time off.17:17
kimmoliyeah17:17
kimmoli(that was only pad i got connected to)17:17
Stskeepsgeneral thought, maybe that could go into tohd?17:17
tbrsounds sensible, as it's toh related?17:17
kimmolithen get dbus signal when it toggles state?17:18
kimmolican order it to wakeup or not to wakeup phone17:18
kimmolican also send "force low" method to it17:18
kimmoli(specs)17:18
kimmoliwas thinking would there be any timing issues...17:20
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Sail0rui cool https://together.jolla.com/question/8153/answered-bug-unable-to-download-ambience-2nd-hand/#post-id-4763317:26
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tobiskicoderus: I had version 0.1 which I installed last december :D17:43
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tobiskiIt's all good now17:43
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coderustobiski: :D17:58
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kimmoliohoo; signal sender=:1.492 -> dest=(null destination) serial=10 path=/; interface=com.kimmoli.gpio; member=gpioStateChanged20:14
coderuscongrats comrad :D20:14
kimmolimer obs seems to be slooow...20:18
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