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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/20/google_and_microsoft_agree_to_add_remote_kill_switch_to_smartphones/ <-- so glad I'm not using either android, apple or microsoft for my phone needs05:56
Stskeepswell05:56
Stskeepsif you loose your lock code, you're screwed re a jolla too05:57
ruskieyeah but that's on me05:57
ruskienot on vendor/cellco05:58
rangoyWhat happened to GPS and android in last release? I copied the gps.default.so as suggested in https://together.jolla.com/question/45966/bug-android-apps-lose-gps-fix-when-in-background-since-107/ and that seems to help05:59
rangoyBut is that "safe"?05:59
Stskeepsi .. don't know, android stuff is a bit external to me05:59
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ruskiehmmm in my jolla order it says 24% VAT for Slovenia... is VAT calculated per country or is that just the finish VAT?06:02
ruskieit's just a bit confusing06:02
Stskeepsthe rules for selli=ng a=re =qu=ite =conf=using06:02
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tbrruskie: if it's not a B2B sale, the vat of the country of residence of the selling country applies AFAIU06:09
tbrcountry/party on the second occurence06:09
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rangoyWhen i ordered my phone i got it to norway without VAT. I think i've should have paid Norwegian VAT when it crossed the border, but it never came?06:12
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rangoy(the bill never came)06:13
Stskeepsprolly will come when you least need it :P06:13
ruskietbr, ok it's just odd that it says Slovenia(24%) considering we have 22%06:15
rangoyStskeeps: probably, but's been half a year now06:15
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pprangoy: "use this phone if you have something to declare" ;)06:26
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ppI'd guess they should use finnish vat for consumer eu orders (unless they have enough sales to one country etc.)06:27
rangoypp: :)06:30
rangoyMy guess is that some mixup happened when fedex got a norwegian deliverer to transport it within norway. none of them knew who was responsible for asking for the VAT06:31
ruskiehehe06:31
rangoyit will probably come with large pileup of interest when my phone is already dead in ten years06:32
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ruskienot likely06:34
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mfulzdoes someone know if the caldav is working with horde?06:56
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mfulzIt finds my calendar but it is not creating it in the calendar app nor synching anythin07:13
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tango_/r/android discussing the android launcher by jolla http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/28k0yl/the_nokia_team_microsoft_didnt_buy_has_made_an/08:15
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Stskeepsi don't see jolla mentioned anywhere?08:16
Stskeepsyou mean by the remaining nokia08:16
leinirYeah, ZLauncher is a different thing, sorry :)08:17
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tango_oh damn08:19
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tango_I only saw the title and thought it was talking about the sf launcher 8-/08:20
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leinirnope08:20
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Stskeepsgood morning, btw :P08:32
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leinirindeed :)08:33
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mfulzis someone using horde togehter with the caldav account?08:45
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locusfwhat is this tart daemon that I see running on Jolla, it seems to resposible on using theme daemon?09:21
w00ttart daemon? :p09:22
locusfJun 20 12:16:13 Jolla tart[3821]: [D] MLocalThemeDaemonClient::readImage:176 - Unknown theme image: "graphic-interface-rounded-corner"09:23
* phdeswer has no such daemon. Must be some app09:23
w00tname got truncated, I would guess. grep for the pid09:23
w00twe don't have a theme daemon ('local' means 'no daemon')09:24
raa700must be nsa then09:24
locusfvoicecall-ui09:24
locusfvoicecall-ui -prestart <- theres the tart09:24
SK_workdamn09:25
locusfmy glacier homescreen users are experiencing odd symptoms in the application uninstallation, they can't see the icon-uninstall-app icon which should be overlayed on top of application icons09:25
SK_workI was hoping for a daemon that makes tarts09:25
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locusfI am using my own local themedaemon on glacier homescreen09:26
Jonnithemedaemon stuff usually happends on harmattan apps that have been ported to sailfish.09:26
locusfand yes I have big fat warnings that it might break stuff so they have been warned :p09:27
locusfyeah its the image://theme url image provider09:27
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raa700SK_work: you need tartOH for that09:30
locusfthis stuff is usually handled by the silica-booster tbh, I don't know why lipstick might want to touch it09:30
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locusfJun 20 12:16:06 Jolla lipstick[3764]: [D] MLocalThemeDaemonClient::readImage:176 - Unknown theme image: "graphic-interface-rounded-corner"09:31
locusfthis missing icon is due to glacier homescreen users switching back to lipstick-jolla-home09:31
AtletaHi guys! Anybody knows the Sailfish OS - Nokia N9 port will be update in the future?09:32
AtletaI can't find any informations in the forums...09:32
AL13N_workhmm, does this mean Nokia stole the android launcher from Jolla?09:33
SK_workthey made their own09:33
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SK_workAL13N_work: no :)09:33
Stskeepsjust silly coincidence of doing it same day09:34
Atletawhat colour of launcher? :-)09:34
Atletaso the aswer is: we don't know?09:36
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AL13N_workStskeeps: same day? i didn't see any publication yet10:00
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Stskeepswell, announce10:00
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stephgAL13N_work: the nokia one was announced, the jolla one was annouced as an alpha on TJC10:08
AL13N_workoic, any link?10:10
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stephghttps://together.jolla.com/question/47655/jolla-launcher-community-alpha-testing-begins-next-week/10:10
AL13N_workthanks10:11
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rangoyWhat's release 10.7.18?10:38
specialconnman hotfix10:39
specialhttps://together.jolla.com/question/45026/hotfix-opt-in-hotfix-for-connectivity-in-upcoming-update-7/10:39
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rangoyspecial: ok. thanks10:45
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tango_I'm wondering if should opt in to the connman hotfix11:15
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tango_I've had this "exclamation point in the wifi icon" thing happening onmy home network (that used to work flawlessly before the latest general upgrade)11:15
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tango_a reboot seems to have fixed it (for the time being)11:15
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rangoyi've also seen som issues with last update (.16) and connectivity11:45
specialwell, consider opting in to the hotfix and see if they're solved11:46
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rangoyis it possible to "opt back"?11:53
specialthe last paragraph of that together post explains how11:53
rangoyah... tldr11:54
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ballockbug: two alarms named "Alarm" set to the same time. When you run the second, the first one lits. When you enable both and disable the second, the first one gets disabled first.12:10
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gexcdoes all-day events in the calendar appear in the event screen?12:30
Nicd-event screen?12:30
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gexcnotification screen?12:30
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SK_workgexc: no12:37
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gexc:-/12:38
gexcso the calendar app needs to stay open for viewing today's events?12:39
Yanielit doesn't even autoupdate when the day changes :(12:39
gexcwat12:40
Yanielthe active day does not change (the one whose events are shown)12:41
gexcO_O12:41
YanielI expected it to change if it was showing 'today'12:41
Yanieland all-day events seem to get an extra 23h duration on the jolla12:42
gexcsounds funny...12:42
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locusfcould someone from Jolla tell me what appControl.isUninstallable() function does in order to determine why an application is uninstallable?13:58
locusfsince I have noticed that when switching back from glacier-home to jolla-home, all applications become non-uninstallable13:59
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ggabriellocusf: try #sailfishos or mailing list maybe14:03
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speciallocusf: you're clobbering /usr/share/lipstick/lipstick.conf.14:04
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sledgesballock: DrainBamaged: ggabriel: stephg: vgrade: lbt: after meetup we're going to the nearby Seabright Arms, they haven't got working TVs there :D (just got info from #london-hack-space )14:25
DrainBamagedo/14:25
lbtno TV - excellent!14:25
sledgesyep, they have TVs, but like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fishies_go_pook/1127498650614:26
stephgooh I know someone that lives above the Seabright (assuming it's the same one)14:26
stephgwe're going east right?14:26
DrainBamagedAh good, I like no TVs14:26
DrainBamagedI don't even own a TV :-D14:26
DrainBamagedI hope they've taken the Christmas Tree down though...14:26
sledgesstephg: yes14:27
ballockhmmm... I might still own a machine that hooks up to this "TV"14:27
stephgeccelente14:28
ballock(not taking it though)14:28
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sledgesballock: readying for the trip? :)14:34
DrainBamagedsledges - I have my first 'Masters' IAM session tomorrow morning14:40
DrainBamagedGoodness knows how my driving will change after this :P14:40
ballocksledges: I think I am14:43
locusfspecial: yes I probably am14:49
sledgesDrainBamaged: lol! will be interesting indeed :))14:58
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locusfspecial: yes that was it, thanks :)15:17
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mattaustinHi all. I just reset my device (using the option in settings, not via telnet). I can't connect to my Jolla account, and the website seems down - is this a known outage?15:53
mattaustinWithout connecting to a jolla account, I can't update from 1.0.0.5 :/15:54
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sledgesstephg: how would the parking look around the venue?16:16
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clauwhat's the recommended way to fully clear .vault?18:46
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Nicd-could try deleting it?18:49
Nicd-well, moving it somewhere else18:49
Nicd-then move it back if everything crashes18:49
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clauoh well, someone's got to try it :)18:51
kimmoli_sailing_does someone have device.with zero backups?18:51
kimmoli_sailing_is vault empty then?18:52
claurenamed it and doing backup right now18:52
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claubackup done, copying to sd18:54
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clauheh, new .vault is just slightly bigger18:58
clauso it was probably already pretty much cleaned and packed18:59
clauok, it seems it's working fine now: if I delete all the backups size drops significantly19:00
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coderuskimmoli_sailing_: i have zero backups19:09
coderusvalut have some git configuration info19:09
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kimmolimaybe it just git inits if it is nonexisting19:11
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stephgsledges: apologies only just saw this: re parking, most everywhere should be free parking on a Sunday but the specifics I don't know22:04
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sledgesstephg: awesome, i think we're all good ^_^22:08
sledgescheers mate! :)22:08
stephg:)22:09
stephgsledges: also, streetview ftw ;)22:12
peppelakappagood evening guys22:12
vgrade\o22:12
stephgevening vgrade22:13
stephgevening peppelakappa22:13
sledgesstephg: DrainBamaged did exactly that ;) but we couldn't find a enough zoomeable news stand :D22:13
sledgesahoy la fellas!22:13
stephgsledges: you should be able to zoom in to at least *one* of those parking restriction signs ;)22:14
sledgesstephg: we did22:14
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sledgesbut meant to say about how old the photos are :D22:15
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sledgesby seeing latest headlines :))22:15
stephg"We have a yard with ample parking available accessible through our back gate in Emma Street. It's free to park here if you're visiting the space, but you shouldn't leave your car here for more than an hour or two if you're not around."22:15
stephghttps://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/447_Hackney_Road/Getting_There22:15
stephgon a Sunday that'd shirley be find22:15
stephgfine22:15
stephgeven22:15
sledgesoh yes, and don't call me shirley22:16
sledgeswell found thanks! :D22:16
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stephg;)22:16
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DrainBamagedMe? Doing clever things?22:37
DrainBamagedIt's just not in my nickname :D22:38
sledgesjoin the crew :D22:39
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JartzaI've just done clever things with attiny85 lately22:50
Jartzatoo little time with my Jolla22:50
Jartzaalthough I just connected my Jolla to attiny85... using sort of modem :)22:50
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Jartzaso transferring data via audio22:50
stephgcool22:51
sledgesnice22:51
Jartza12kbps transfer rate, average22:51
Jartzausing only one pin on attiny85 and 254 bytes of code :)22:51
Jartzaof course it works from other devices as well, as long as they have headphone-connector22:52
Jartzathough it's only one-way currently, but planning to make it two-way22:53
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stephgright, is bed tiem. G'night folks catch you in the morning22:56
sledgesideas for TOH Jartza ? :)22:56
sledgesstephg: nn!22:56
Jartzasledges: not sure yet :)22:56
stephgzzzzzz ;)22:56
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sledgeszz:)22:57
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sledgesJartza: yet another (who-couldve-thought) data connection to other half :D22:57
Jartza:D22:57
JartzaI think the most amazing part of the modem is the simplicity of the code22:58
Jartzaand also the fact that the audio can also be packed to mp322:58
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sledges@12kbps ;)22:58
Jartzawell, 24kbps if you use stereo :D22:59
sledges:D22:59
Jartzabut it doesn't require external crystal to attiny22:59
sledgesso what clocks?22:59
Jartzaand it auto-adapts to 4kbps-12kbps22:59
JartzaI've tried 8Mhz and 16Mhz, but I guess it could work with 1Mhz too23:00
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Jartzawell. I just personally needed a simple way to transfer data to attiny, using minimum amount of io-pins and cheapest possible hw :)23:01
Jartzathis uses 2 resistors, 2 diodes and 2 capacitors23:01
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sledges:) i wonder what's on your inventor's mind in the end :D23:02
Jartzaof course it would work with other avrs too23:02
Jartzalike other attinys and atmegas etc.23:02
Jartzaarduino and stuff23:02
JartzaI could've actually "easily" made it up to 32kbit/s with stereo, but without auto-adapt23:04
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Jartzabut I wanted it to be simple and reliable, so 12kbps was enough23:04
* sledges nods23:04
Jartzaand I'll eventually opensource it when it's "done"23:04
sledges\o/23:04
Jartzawith explanation and schematics23:04
sledgesnightn!23:15
Jartzayeah, off to sleep too... nighies23:17
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