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Anz-How to send music files over Bluetooth?06:00
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faenilo/ morning07:00
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vgrademorning07:09
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Stskeepshack day tonight?07:10
Stskeepsor how was it07:10
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ggabrielStskeeps: happens today :)07:23
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stephgmorning07:30
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vgrademorning stephg07:31
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vgradejust setting off07:31
stephgcool07:31
stephgwhat time do you get in07:32
vgradewill be in St Pancras about 1207:33
vgradegtg07:34
stephgsee you shortly07:34
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sledgeswe're on m4 atm :)08:02
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sledgesDrainBamaged is behind the wheel, and the engine is running :))08:13
sledgeswonder how ballock is coming about08:14
vgradesledges: what is your eta08:16
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sledgesvgrade: aiming for 13:3008:21
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vgradesledges: ok, see you later. I get into St Pancras around 1208:23
sledgesvgrade: good stuff!08:26
sledgeshang about here on irc to meet others evtl :)08:26
stephgvgrade: may hook up with you early if that's ok, sledges 13:30 is cutting it a bit fine for me ;)08:29
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vgradestephg: sure, where. I don't think the venue is booked until 14:0008:31
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lbto/08:37
stephghey lbt08:39
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lbthey stephg08:40
stephgvgrade: er, a pub somewhere?08:40
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rehclaHi all!Can someone advice me to make my 32GB SD with btrfs work with my Jolla?08:48
faenilwoah!08:49
faeniljust had a reboot!08:49
Stskeepsfaenil: cat /proc/cmdline08:50
Stskeepsrather, what does crash reporter say?08:50
faenilmmm I don't have crash reporter in settings, I think I uninstalled it but the "daemon?" is still there, trying to upload at every boot08:52
faenilwhat was the core dumps folder?08:52
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chem|strehcla: yep08:53
kimmolifaenil: /var/cache/coredumps  ?08:55
chem|strehcla: since feb14 or apr14 btrfs should automount, the mountpoint changed till current release - sdcard partitions will be mounted to /media/sdcard/($UUID)08:55
faenilStskeeps, HWSMPL08:55
faenil(thx kimmoli )08:55
Stskeepsfaenil: lovely08:57
faenilStskeeps, I have persistent log ;)08:59
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faenillast moments of life: http://pastebin.com/awsZsiaM09:02
faenil(I didn't install/remove/touch/run telegram, it did all by itself, fwiw)09:02
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rehclachem|st: thank you for answering:) I formated /dev/mmcblk0p1 with btrfs, inserted it in the phone, did a reboot, but in the filemanager there is nothing mounted!It works fine with fat32...09:03
faenilsituation: phone was there idle, I took it, unlocked it, opened android whatsapp, and was replying to a message -> boom09:03
faenilblack screen for 10-20seconds09:04
faeniland then reboot09:04
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faenilJun 22 12:02:20 Jolla kernel: mdp4_dsi_cmd_off: Error, SET_CLK_OFF by force09:10
faenilmm09:10
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rehclachem|st: do I need to edit fstab?09:23
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wickwireHi guys, does anyone know when will the harbour dashboard be functional?09:54
wickwireat least to read and reply to user comments on apps...?09:54
wickwireis it something the community could help fix...?09:54
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rehclachem|st: Jolla kernel: BTRFS: couldn't mount because of unsupported ...) Jolla kernel: btrfs: open_ctree failed10:05
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chem|strehcla: ehrm what?10:08
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rehclachem|st: just tried ext4 and that workes fine:)10:11
chem|strehcla: you do not need to edit anything within sailfish10:11
chem|strehcla: is the card empty?10:11
chem|strehcla: are you running latest release10:11
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chem|strehcla: with what did you format the sdcard?10:12
rehclachem|st: I formatted the sd with btrfs and the card was not mounted... so I logged in via ssh and journalctl gave me: Jolla kernel: BTRFS: couldn't mount because of unsupported ...) Jolla kernel: btrfs: open_ctree failed10:12
rehclachem|st: mkfs.btrfs10:12
chem|ston jolla?10:13
rehclachem|st: Mageia 410:13
chem|sthmmm10:14
chem|strehcla: is the card empty?10:14
chem|strehcla: is it in your device?10:15
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chem|stfor what reason do you want to have btrfs10:17
rehclachem|st: just tempted;) But ext4 is fine too10:18
rehclachem|st: it is now and I have a root terminal open10:19
chem|strehcla: unmount the card10:19
chem|strehcla: then mkfs.btrfs -f /dev/mmcblk110:19
chem|styou can either stop the mount sdcard or umount by hand that does not matter10:20
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chem|stthat is systemctl stop mount-sd@mmcblk1p1.service usually10:20
chem|strehcla: can you stick with me for the moment and not do fiddle with it until you understand all of it?10:21
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rehclachem|st: the command is: mkfs.btrfs -f /dev/mmcblk1 and not mkfs.btrfs -f /dev/mmcblk1p1 ?10:22
chem|strehcla: yes, stick with me for a moment please10:22
chem|stthere is no need for a partition10:22
rehclachem|st: I am;)10:22
chem|sthttps://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/10:22
rehclachem|st: formatting complete10:23
chem|stthat ^^ is what I did to get the android userstorage off the device mmc10:23
chem|stok now systemd will take over10:23
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chem|st"systemctl start mount-sd@mmcblk1.service"10:24
chem|stand it will show up mounted in /media/sdcard/($UUID)10:25
chem|styou can reboot to see that it mounts automatically after boot10:26
rehclachem|st: I get: 5AE9-0048  ce32bdcb-daa7-4eab-8895-b138504f464a10:26
chem|stnote "after", it takes a second as the mount-sd.sh script waits for tracker to be settled before mounting the card10:27
rehclachem|st: but the sdcard does not show up in the filemanager10:27
chem|strehcla: which filemanager?10:27
rehclachem|st: the jolla stabdard one10:27
chem|stis it mounted in /media/sdcard/ce32bdcb-daa7-4eab-8895-b138504f464a10:27
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rehclachem|st: standard10:27
chem|stwhat is the jolla standard one?10:28
chem|stjolla-fileman?10:28
rehclachem|st: called filebrowser10:28
rehclachem|st: fileman i also available10:28
chem|stcargo-dock is currently the most advanced I guess10:28
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rehclachem|st: I will reboot now... Are you with jolla?10:29
chem|stI do not have a device at hand atm, so I cannot tell what shows and what not10:29
chem|strehcla: I am with Maemo10:29
Vgrade-jstephg: sledges ballock ggabriel in RE hotel loby bar. just diwn from venue10:30
chem|strehcla: and I wrote the how-to I pasted the link to10:30
rehclachem|st: thank you for putting your effort in Maemo and Jolla User Support10:31
chem|strehcla: I don't know what happened when you tried to mount the mageia4 made fs, either it was nit unmounted properly or the tree was messed up in another way10:31
ggabrielVgrade-j: awesome, i think i'll make it for 2ish - cooking something right now10:32
ggabrielneed to check public transport... I think I may need to cycle10:32
rehclachem|st: now the btrfs works fine too:) So you are on a N9?10:32
chem|strehcla: ;) kind of my legal obligation of being board member of an association supporting FOSS mobile OSs10:33
Vgrade-jggabriel: ok10:33
chem|strehcla: currently I am on either N9 or N900, my Jolla is in .fi for repairs10:33
ggabrieldamn, overground isn't working10:34
chem|stmy N9 has a buggy modem (pre-production device) and the battery of my n900 is kinda worn out from being 5 years in use10:34
rehclachem|st: Sometimes I use the Wifi at work to download ISOs and on fat32 I cannot store files bigger than 4GB and the main reason is to stay with FOSS:) The N9 was tempting to me too... If I would have knows that its so well community-supported, I would have bought one too... But now Jolla is the first phone what made me really happy10:35
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chem|strehcla: you are new to btrfs I guess, it is pretty powerful in terms of management, no need for partitions anymore, what the how-to results in is that you have an actual shared sdcard, it behaves like two folders on a partition10:38
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rehclachem|st: thanks for helping me;) Just great to have a bash on a phone10:42
chem|strehcla: hehe, I prefer my n900 with keyboard and debian like system, sad it wasn't renewed10:43
chem|styou are welcome10:43
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chem|stsadly sailfishos is still pretty basic compared to maemo510:44
sledgesVgrade-j: ggabriel ballock  stephg  we are on m25, eta 2pm due to hammersmith flyover closure10:44
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sledgesus=lbt r3d DrainBamaged and myself10:47
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ggabrielsledges: i suggest you relax and drive slowly, maybe eta > 14.00 ;-)10:52
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edgar2for someone like me, hoping for a sailfish tablet - what tablet would you buy today if you had to buy the hardware? in other words, what tablet available today would have the best odds of getting sailfish os at a later point?10:56
chem|stedgar2: o/10:56
edgar2my best pick so far would be the nexus 10 (or nexus 7)10:56
ggabrieledgar2: check the hw hacking guide10:56
edgar2chem|st shoot!10:56
chem|stedgar2: you get the nexus in refurbished at ASUS10:57
chem|stfirst tab to be ported to10:57
ggabrieli suspect that anything that runs cyanamodgen [version of the guide]10:57
ggabrieland gg10:57
chem|stand the hardware is nice too10:57
ggabrielor what chem|st says :P10:57
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chem|stedgar2: where are you from?10:59
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sledgesggabriel: *wont be >>14:00 as im using gmaps with traffic situation :)10:59
Stskeepsn7 2012 at least there's a basic port to10:59
Stskeepsbut, sailfishos isn't really a tablet os yet10:59
edgar2chem|st finland11:00
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ggabrielsledges: nah, but drive carefully, loads of people on the road today for whatever reason11:00
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chem|stedgar2: en-GB/refurbished/refurbished-tablets/refurbished-asus-pad-nexus-7-wifi-nvidiar-tegratm-3-32gb-hdd.html11:01
sledgesskating :)611:01
chem|stouch that broke...11:01
edgar2Stskeeps would it be reasonable to expect sailfish os to be good enough on a tablet by the end of the year?11:01
sledgesDrainBamaged just took his advanced driving test :)11:01
Nicd-edgar2: would be surprised if he could answer that sort of question :p11:02
Stskeepsedgar2: not in a position to answer such a thing, but how would you feel about a nice glass of martini?11:03
Stskeeps:P11:03
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chem|st;)11:03
edgar2Stskeeps shaken not stirred thank you very much! :)11:03
tbrStskeeps: just don't rest yours on your chest...11:03
Stskeepsyeah.. well, it was just a tizen tshirt.. :P11:03
ggabrielStskeeps: i'm shocked that they even let you drink that in poland :P11:03
ggabriellol re tizen tshirt11:03
Stskeepsthey're just really comfy and i can't wear them outside anyhow11:04
Stskeeps:P11:04
Stskeepsgood for movie evening11:04
ggabrielright... shower+make up+hackspace11:05
edgar2chem|st did you mean this? http://eshop.asus.com/en-GB/refurbished-asus-pad-nexus-7-wifi-nvidiar-tegratm-3-32gb-hdd.html11:05
edgar2actually i'm looking for a tablet for my wife, who claims 7" is too small (go figure...), so would have to be a 10"11:06
Aciidipad mini costs like 250€. because the shops are stocking up the retina models11:06
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chem|styeah11:21
chem|stedgar2: 7" is not too small, and 10" is to big!11:21
chem|stAciid: and still 250eur for a device I do not even consider11:22
Bawalas much as i pretty much loathe iProducts, if i'd need a tablet device, i wouldn't go for android over ipad11:24
Aciidit's battery capacity for watching funny cat memes from youtube is superior to any android device11:24
Bawalcan't even compare, they feel so slow and incomplete11:25
AciidI have an ipad mini on my nightstand and I watch cat maymays everynight11:25
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narchieipad > any android table11:27
narchiet11:27
narchieno discussion11:27
Bawalpretty much yeah11:27
Aciidthanks narchie for your input you truly have won our argument11:28
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AciidI tip my fedora to you sir11:28
Aciidnow back to modelling my TOH with Bad Dragon holder11:28
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Vgrade-jsledges i'm at venue.11:37
kimmolihaa eink fuse "works", atleast it mounts, lowlevel HW stuff still needs to be written.11:40
sledgesi just saw hackspace irc bot reporting Jasper opening doors :D11:40
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sledgesthanks Vgrade-j for pioneering in !11:41
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sledgesguys pls escort each other within the venue, cc: Vgrade-j ballock stephg  ggabriel11:43
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sledges:D11:43
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rehclachem|st: I liked Maemo and its N9 UI design in the reviews I saw!Is maemo  still in active development?12:01
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Nicd-rehcla: maemo is abandoned12:06
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sledgesggabriel stephg : we're in the place ;)12:25
ballockok,got here :)12:26
sledgesyou're sitting next to me :D12:26
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Stskeepsreal life meeting, communicates over irc..12:27
Stskeeps:P12:27
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sledgesfrom jolla hacking event: anyone's using Qi charging otherhalf (preferably from funkyotherhalf.com website)13:37
sledges?13:37
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tbrsledges: I'm using a self built one13:44
tbrit works OKish for me, but the pad seems low quality (was from DX) and needs perfect alignment13:44
chem|stsledges: can we expect any Qi from jolla? or will it always be aftermarket13:46
sledgestbr: we attached multimeter and it seems to give out no voltage13:47
Nicd-so what's Qi? wireless charging?13:47
chem|stNicd-: yes13:47
sledgesand qi charges is just green slow led flashing13:48
Nicd-where does the name Qi come from?13:48
tbrfrom the Qi consortium13:48
tbrsledges: if you just place the pad on top of a charging pod, the pod should detect it and you should see 5V across the pins, even with nothing attached13:49
sledgesok, not the case here :)13:49
chem|stdoes anyone have the qi demo kit by wuerth?13:51
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sledgeschem|st: maybe partnerships? ;)14:10
sledgesto your first question14:10
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chem|stsledges: reads "no"14:13
kimmolichem|st: that costs same as Jolla ??14:13
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Stskeepswhat costs same as? :P14:14
kimmoliQi kit by Wurth14:15
kimmolihttp://uk.farnell.com/TI-WIRELESS-POWER-KIT ??14:16
chem|stis there any way to lookup my repair/zendesk/care status?14:18
sledgeschem|st: i've no idea what jolla is brewing behind the scenes ;)14:18
chem|stsledges: a new device...14:18
sledgeschem|st: wrt to qi tohs14:19
chem|stsledges: if I had any clue on where to get the proper connectors for the bumper-pinout I'd try myself, but every other report about qi makes me not want to have a wireless charger anyways14:19
sledgesand any other tohs14:20
tbrqi works for me sufficiently well, no idea why everyone is so "meh" about it...14:20
sledgeschem|st: it's just glued; you can spray black powder on the pins to see their exact position on the TOH's end14:21
tbrit's certainly not for fast charging, but it works as a "drop device on desk" pick up with more charge later14:21
sledges(hows that carbon powder pencils are made of.. in english :)14:21
tbrgraphite?14:21
chem|sttbr: that is exactly why it is good, the prefered charge state of a LiX battery is between 35 and 70%14:21
sledgestbr: that14:22
chem|stsledges: ah now I get you, I wont attach a qi-pad to a toh14:23
chem|sta kind of slip-pad attached to the battery (not glued)14:24
sledgeswe just used two microUSB cables to the Qi TOH to provide a load for the testing pad :)14:24
sledgesfigured out Mike's qi kit was dodgy..14:25
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kimmoliso Qi pad which slips between toh and phone, no need to glue anywhere?14:26
tbrkimmoli: I used doublesided tape to fix it gently in ToH and copper tape to route the pads from the pad to where the jolla needs them14:28
kimmoliyeah, me too when i tested that14:29
kimmolitbr: https://github.com/kimmoli/epd-eink-jolla14:32
kimmolitodays progress14:32
chem|stsledges: can you tell which std qi-pad would fit the connectors?14:32
tbrkimmoli: nice14:34
kimmolistill to make the i2c-spi bridge on stm32 side...14:34
tbryeah, once again tried Qi charger and with one of the charging pods its very unreliable, the other one, just works™.14:37
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chem|stbah amazon is all "fire phone in your face", who buys an amazon-store-phone?14:40
chem|sttbr: some pods are picky (nokia for example)14:41
tbrboth cheap chinese from dx.com14:41
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rZrmy jolla doesnt switch on anymore :\16:00
Nicd-at all or doesn't boot?16:01
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rZrNicd-, at all16:03
rZrNicd-, with the battery out there is a green led but it wont boot either16:03
Nicd-did you take out the battery for 10 min?16:03
Nicd-and leave it out of charger too16:04
rZryes did that today16:04
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rZrNicd-, is there a guide on symptons of bricked devices ?16:07
Nicd-rZr: contact care@ :)16:07
Bawali guess the "brick" part covers pretty much all the symptoms16:08
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rZrjust sent16:11
rZrno hiden reset switch ?16:12
Nicd-there's recovery mode16:14
rZrpower+ vol-16:14
ggabrielerm. recovery mode is: 1. usb cables disconnected; 2. vol-; 3. power up; 4. when it vibrates, let go, light will turn white16:15
rZrno vibrate16:16
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rZrJ is dead baby16:17
ggabriel:(16:18
sledgesoff to pub!16:18
ggabriel\o/16:18
ggabrielactually16:18
sledgeswas great chilled hacking event, many happy faces :D16:18
ggabriel\o/(b)16:18
rZris there a fuse to check somewhere ?16:19
Nicd-probably "no user serviceable parts inside"16:19
Nicd-and would void your warranty to open it16:19
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StskeepsrZr: take out usb, battery, hold down volume down button, put usb in -- goes into fastboot?16:31
rZrStskeeps, hi thx for carring16:34
rZrbut no16:34
Stskeepseh16:34
Stskeepsbattery has to still be out, hold down volume down button, then plug in usb16:35
Stskeeps(usb has to be on a computer end)16:35
rZronly the green led16:35
rZrsurrouned by red16:35
Stskeepsthat doesn't sound particularly healthy.. be absolutely sure to follow these instructions: take out the usb cable, take out the battery, do not put back the battery, put usb in computer, hold down "volume down" bottom and meanwhile, plug the usb cable in16:36
Stskeepsit should very well go into fastboot mode16:37
rZrnot here16:37
Stskeepsok, then it sounds pretty dead, anything you did that might have caused it?16:37
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Stskeepsif not, contact care16:38
rZrI could have pluged it into a wrong power supply16:38
rZrbut it worked fine with n916:38
rZrand this is not covered by waranty16:38
rZrpoor me16:38
Stskeepsanyhow, it's the deadest jolla i've heard about16:38
Stskeepsand i've seen a few16:39
Stskeepsso, contact care16:39
rZrjust did this16:39
Stskeepsnod16:39
rZris the power socket protected by a fuse ?16:39
Stskeepsi don't know16:39
rZrand what does the green led mean ?16:40
Stskeepswell, if it doesn't go into fastboot mode i'm sure it doesn't mean anything good :)16:40
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Stskeepscheck with a different usb cable maybe16:40
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rZrsame w/ jolla (R) (TM) (C) usb  cable16:42
rZrjust the green led for 1min and then off16:42
rZrwell I'll keep you up to date if you care16:43
rZror should I contact your polish friend :)16:43
rZrjust kidding :)16:43
Stskeepsi have very few polish friends these days16:43
rZrseems he16:44
rZr's stopped the madness16:44
rZrcurious story16:44
rZrlet's keep this aside and have dinner16:45
rZrthx anyway for support16:45
Stskeepsnod16:45
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LipevakalaOk, listenig some tunes and lost sound..19:37
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LipevakalaRebooting...19:40
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LipevakalaDam, not avi19:45
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LipevakalaLost sound complitly19:49
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kimmolitbr: nightpee? more accurate results?20:07
tbrkimmoli: testing the accuracy20:08
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tbrI'll need to do some linear interpolation between calibration values. I can get at least an order of magnitude more accurate values.20:09
tbrsensor: great algo: sucks20:09
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kimmolimeasure pressure in waterpipe, then estimate flow into the reservoir and measure duration of the fill (?)20:12
tbrkimmoli: I'm measuring the fill level. That's surprisingly accurate. (about 20-25ml)20:12
kimmoliwith the servo-pot ?20:13
tbryes20:13
tbrthere would be lots of room for optimization. e.g. I'm not using the full range of the 12 bit ADC.20:14
kimmoliok. my windows imagemagic managed to make one good xbm20:14
kimmolinow it makes just corrupted ones20:14
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tbrFor now I've switched to looking into my washing machine. Already found the UART on it and have a rough idea what the serial port protocol can do.20:16
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kimmoli:)20:17
tbrjust can't find any documentation. Only found some software that can talk to it, so will probably need to learn some windows DLL reverse engineering. (software would need a key to run)20:17
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kimmoliwhen i can tweet to @MrCoffee to make you some coffee?20:18
kimmolior @MrPopper to make popcorn?20:18
kimmolihmm, it should count number of pops too20:18
tbrthat would be trivial to set up. I have some 70cm ISM wallsockets. could just hook up the remote to GPIOs20:18
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kimmolii did bought set of 3 ages ago, never had time to tweak them20:19
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kimmoliused one for xmas lights.20:20
kimmolipopcorn-maker with countin scale, and at the end gives % of non-popped cornseeds...20:20
kimmolimore challeging20:21
tbrespecially if you want it automated20:21
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kimmoliit should listen irc, when you say "time for popcorn", it starts to make'em20:22
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kimmoliah, but now GN - wireless keyboard runs out of battery, and i got everything working that i planned for Juhannus; ref https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbXSQx54NJE20:26
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