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sledgeshungoverning &)05:59
Nicd-sledges: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKc1Hjjz1Ys06:00
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sledgesNicd-: :))06:04
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kimmoliDoes anyone else have nova flash?  SEems that the protocol has been documented. https://github.com/nova-device/nova-protocol ...06:12
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Sail0rcan anyone explain why cm is needed to get sailfishos running on nexus407:25
Nicd-try #sailfishos07:26
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tbrSail0r: it's a combination of things and a known baseline07:37
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Nicd-dammit! reboot08:48
Nicd-it was such a long time since my last one :(08:49
Nicd-any logs I should take?08:49
Nicd-battery was at 69 %08:52
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Nicd-I was flicking left in the maps app when it happened08:52
ggabrielNicd-: latest maps? I had that with maps before...08:53
Nicd-latest08:53
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ggabrielNicd-: there's a log file that "explains" the reboot09:00
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ggabrielin /var/log/something09:00
ggabrielcan't remember the name09:00
ggabrielI think it contains the word "boot"09:00
ggabrielworth looking at that one09:00
Nicd-latest lines: x-no-time-stamp Startup: preinit ignored pwr_on_by_RTC, 20140623_130402 Startup: pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_RTC, 20140623_130402 Received: dsme internal state USER09:03
chem|stNicd-: I think it might be caused by GPS, HERE crashed on me after having a "wrong" fix 300m off09:03
Nicd-great, GPS crashes the whole phone :P09:03
chem|stNicd-: my sister had her phone sent in for repairs as it was constantly crashing at 55% battery when doing something powerhungry... now it sometimes does that at 60% even^^09:04
Nicd-ouch09:05
chem|stNicd-: I think Jolla needs to have those phones be sent in and properly tested for production side issues09:05
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chem|stand usually that is nothing they have to pay for as it is the fab that messed up09:06
chem|stfrom the looks of it here and on tjc I'd guess either they have really buggy drivers or ~1% of the devices has bad hardware09:06
ggabrielfwiw, it must have happened to me once09:07
ggabrielprolly just maps being strange09:07
chem|stmine is sent in for hardware issues too09:07
Nicd-I already had my SIM holder fixed09:07
chem|stfor me it is the vibrator09:08
chem|stI guess they had a soldering issue at the fab09:08
chem|stonce the fab admits that there should be no problem to have the devices exchanged09:09
Nicd-mine is from the 11/2013 batch which probably has all the problems09:09
chem|stfirst one?09:10
chem|stmy sister has a first one and me to09:10
Nicd-first 45009:10
chem|stboth with issues09:10
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chem|stI have a pre-production N9 that has about the same flaws, and there it is for sure hardware09:11
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chem|stlets just hope that "the next one" has the same TOH but a keyboard and I will put this one on a display in my livingroom^^09:15
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Sail0rmine has the sudden reboot issue also if I remove the paper underneath the battery09:27
Sail0ralso a firstone09:27
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tbrSail0r: try cleaning the pins and battery contacts09:34
chem|sttbr: that is something I'd expect of my 10 year old Sony but not a 6 month old Jolla09:35
Sail0ralready did that but did not help09:35
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tbrchem|st: well, you can try to find the issue, or you can whine about it. your choice. *shrug*09:36
Sail0rand as the papertrick helps I have not tried any other things09:36
Sail0rI haven't even tried if it's fixed by the new sailfish version ;)09:36
Sail0rbut I don't whine because it works for me09:37
tbrI don't get those at all, so can't even try to figure them out...09:37
Sail0rI asked Jolla care if I can help to get this issue fixed09:38
Sail0ronly thing which came back was we replace the hardware09:38
ppwell, if they can inspect broken hardware, that helps :-)09:40
Sail0ryeah, but it's my only phone and I need it ;)09:41
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chem|sttbr: if the issue is gone by putting a piece of paper below the battery, the issue is found, isn't it?09:54
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chem|stand as you said, I cannot find a cause without having a problem09:55
tbrchem|st: it's not reliable and it's not a direct treatment of the issue. I wouldn't describe "lack of paper under the battery" as proper root cause analysis ...09:55
tbrI'm sure jolla is actually doing that analysis, if they want to share their results (once they have them) will be a different story.09:56
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chem|stI agree09:56
ppwho knows, linksys routers needed to be overclocked to be reliable :-)09:56
Stskeepsor can -- production is a huge web of NDAs09:56
tbrStskeeps: I count that under "want"09:57
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tbrif you'd break an nda, you might not _want_ to share that information09:57
Stskeepspoint09:57
chem|st;)09:57
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tbrbut yeah, valid additional information for those who ponder why09:58
ppn9 (or was it n900) also had some hw issue that was totally fixable in software iirc, affected a few percent of users09:58
chem|stn900 has a broken by design µUSB10:00
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Jopethere was some kind of solder wetting problem there10:00
Jopeas far as I remember it10:00
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chem|stmy n900 survived a wheat beer attack and the µusb never came off... you can probably replcae your hammer with it if need be and if you run out of battery you have a brick to throw...10:02
Stskeepsmy usb got killed by some jerk in SF stepping over my charging cable10:03
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chem|stouch, I kept the n900 hanging on the charger in my office... just so noone stepped on the cable or something10:04
Stskeepsthis was at meego or tizen conference10:04
tbrchem|st: IIRC the issue also depends on which factory produced your N900. one of both was more likely to have it rip off the PCB10:04
Stskeepsi think meego10:04
tbrStskeeps: meego, I was at tizen con10:05
tbrand I only remember you mentioning it on irc10:05
Stskeepsnod10:05
w00tI was sitting next to you at the time :-)10:05
tbrStskeeps: if you want one, I still have a spare N900 ;)10:05
w00tStskeeps: you realise that my n900 had died like a week before..? stopcopyingme! :P10:06
Stskeepsi had a mint n900 and gave it away to somebody here in poland to pass on to somebody useful10:06
chem|sttbr: no idea, it seemed to not be as one with the same version number as mine had it ripped off within months and mine is still in its place10:06
* w00t has two semi broken n900s, and intends to create one working one out of them. someday.10:06
tbrchem|st: 'more likely' != 100% sure10:06
chem|stw00t: only the usb issue or "really" broken?10:07
chem|sttbr: k10:07
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chem|sttbr: we had the discussion about it and compared version numbers without finding any correlation10:08
slaten900 with philips-screws was a shitty job to repair10:08
chem|stslate: finding that PH0 one was a bit harder than I thought10:09
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chem|stI ended up using the tools in our companies jobshop10:10
slatesoft material screws, more likely to be stuck. -> replace touch assy10:10
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louisdkIs it possible to restore a Jolla phone without needing dev mode. I've pc sync access but don't know if I can put the .vault folder somewhere so it can be seen by the backup software?10:15
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deztructorlouisdk: what do you mean by restoring? vault allows you to restore the data from the backup you did in Settings->Backup. .vault can be saved to sd card from the same Settings->Backup and then backup storage can be restored back. What do you mean by "pc sync"? Are just copied your .vault to Windows pc?11:00
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Nicd-whoa, I just got an email from paypal. "€10 off the new Jolla smartphone with PayPal"11:08
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Nicd-wonder how targeted that is, could be great for Jolla if it's more widespread11:09
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ruskieheh11:16
ruskiestill waiting on my "your Jolla is on it's way to you" email11:16
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pawky#wetbike11:24
pawkyoops11:24
chem|struskie: "your Jolla is on its way to you" but I am waiting for "way back to you"11:26
suosaask110e discount on jolla if you pay with paypal, apparently11:26
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Sail0rkimmoli is the source for toholed already published? :)12:26
sledgesoh gotta love our fellows :) E Ink TOH PoC: https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/statuses/48081982720903577612:26
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Nicd-wow, wouldn't that be a nice replacement for low power screen?12:29
roborocrikey... I want one12:30
roborokimmoli: you rock12:30
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Nicd-I'll buy one in an instant when it's for sale (and there's software to change the image)12:30
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roboroyeah... I guess you could write software for that12:31
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Anduckjolla seems to have deal with paypal.....16:01
Anduckhas there been any discussion about buying jolla phone with bitcoins?16:01
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kimmoliSail0r: Not yet publicly... it is coming soomTM16:33
Sail0rok :)16:33
kimmoliNicd-: you dont like to have static derp there?16:33
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tbrkimmoli: consider me quite interested in that derp-other-half :)16:41
* tbr will obviously use it to show IoT status updates... if you mean what i know(sic!)16:41
kimmoliFFS got new meaning16:42
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pdanekHello!17:08
cvp_hi17:08
pdanekDo you have the same problem with Viber Android app in Jolla, that it doesn't scan current phone numbers?17:08
pdanekIt should automatically show up all Viber-enabled people in my phone contact list.17:09
ruskieyay jolla shipped17:09
cvp_pdanek: dont know , i dont use vier17:10
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cvp_ruskie: yeah !!! have fun with it :)17:10
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pdanekhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48EyCpUbCbg -> go to 5. min.17:29
pdanek"It's not actually running or using your phone memory..." wtf?17:29
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Nicd-so it looks like my reboots are back :/18:20
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Quuapply more paper18:21
Nicd-with the same symptoms as before - the phone dies when I have my finger on the screen (flicking, scrolling or clicking)18:21
Nicd-and usually when the battery is less than 60 %18:22
Stskeepsfinger-> increased cpu, fwiw18:22
Teguweird, I have not had random reboots in a while even though I haven't done the paper trick18:22
QuuNicd-: you need  to start using your nose18:22
Quumaybe that wont increase the cpu18:22
Nicd-Quu: shut up18:22
QuuD:18:22
Nicd-I am not amused right now18:22
Nicd-3 reboots today. I can't rely on this phone currently. I'll do the 10 min battery thing tomorrow, then the paper if it doesn't help18:23
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Nicd-don'tknow if putting it through care@ again is going to help anyone18:24
Stskeepsit might..18:24
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Nicd-guess I'll send a message to them if the 10 min trick doesn't help18:27
Nicd-sorry Quu18:27
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Quunp, my mistake18:29
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TurskiNicd-: i've done that 10 min trick quite many times already, doens't help for me19:16
Turskiand paper trick too19:16
Turskiprobably i need to put it trough care19:17
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Sail0rI wonder why there is still no official statement about the issues19:38
Sail0rI wouldn't blame them if they say "hey we got a HW issue with battery connecters just send it to repair"19:39
Sail0rbut I have read from many people sending their phone to care and after 2 - 3 weeks the problems start again19:39
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Sail0rthat's why I don't send my phone because I am not sure if it helps19:40
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claumaybe they don't really know what the issue is :|19:41
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clautho, in such situations it would be nice to have the phone completely replaced, instead of trying fixes that don't really work. on the other hand, I don't really know how often the problem reccurs after repair.19:43
Sail0ryeah, it's a bad situation for those who have the problem.19:44
Sail0rMine vanished after inserting the paper.19:44
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Sail0rbut to be honest I have never tried to remove it because it works for now ^^19:44
Quusame19:45
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claudoes it reboot while it sits on the table for instance, or just when you move it around?19:45
tigeliSail0r: if you are happy with the paper fix I don't see any poin sending it to the care19:45
Sail0rbut I was really disappointed when it started19:46
Sail0rtigeli: maybe to help them find the real problem19:46
Sail0rclau: it rebooted at heavy load or weak signal19:46
clauoh, I see.19:46
clauwell, it can still be from poor contacts, that's clear.19:46
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Sail0ryep, must be smth like this because it's completly gone since inserting the paper19:48
tigelimaybe to solder the battery contactors :D19:48
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clauor build TOH battery :D19:49
Sail0rhehe19:49
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claugot an email from paypal today, with jolla ad. glad to see they are doing such things.19:51
clauthough, pissed of to see now I can get it for 339 euro, now after I bought two for full price.19:52
clau*off19:52
Sail0rhmpf19:53
Quupretty sure it will be ~299 before next christmas19:53
Sail0rbut hey maybe with this price they will sell more jollas19:53
clauI feel just like those iPhone users.19:53
Sail0rand bugfixing becomes more important19:53
Sail0rbut you spent the price for two phones which one iphone costs at release19:54
claunot really complaining, after all the first one I pre-ordered.19:54
Sail0rhehe same here19:54
clauI do hope they just feel more comfortable selling it now, and it's not about selling old stocks.19:55
Sail0rmaybe they prepare for jolla2 ;)19:56
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clauwhen should it be launched? late 2015?19:57
Sail0rdunno19:59
clau2 year intervals between versions for a single line product sounds like a good idea to me.19:59
Sail0ryep19:59
Sail0rand that is a period where i don't get angry19:59
Sail0rreleasing every year is too fast in my opinion20:00
clauany shorter interval and I'd probably skip one generation20:00
clauyeah20:00
Sail0rso have to work tomorrow ;) have a nice evening and good night20:01
clauyou too, I'm calling it a day too20:01
clauo/20:01
Sail0rbye20:01
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