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inte`chem|st: ah its just an app got it from harbor or openrepo don't know, doesn't matter. Good night00:14
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Nicd-so my jolla started closing apps, maybe because the memory and swap are entirely full03:39
Nicd-/usr/bin/messageserver5 is using about 150 MB (RSS), is that normal?03:40
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gexctime to anticipate update 8?05:52
Bysmyyr:)05:53
tbrgexc: wasn't it told that there will be no july update? or was that no august update?05:53
gexcaugust?05:54
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rangoySome rumors says that there should be a july update, eg http://www.gsmarena.com/jollas_sailfish_os_update_8_coming_in_july_update_9__end_of_q3-news-8763.php06:24
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ppjuly update, then vacation :-)06:50
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xmlich02hi, I wasn't able to answer phone call, the app seems to be dead (screen shot will follow).08:18
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tbrlogs or it didn't happen. ;)08:23
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xmlich02and here is the promised screenshot http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/tmp/20140701101713.png09:18
xmlich02tbr, what kind of log you want? /var/log/messages?09:18
tbrxmlich02: look into journal if that hasn't rolled over yet09:18
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xmlich02journalctl -l; says "No journal files were found."09:21
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inteyou should be root09:26
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inteand its -f09:27
intei guess09:27
inteah no -l is just fine for your purpose09:28
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AL13N_workchem|st: fuck, .fi --> .fr --> .fi --> .se --> .fr10:06
AL13N_workit's starting... :-(10:06
AL13N_workfedex is fucking it up again...10:07
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inteoh no10:08
mekluwow, how did that .se happen?10:12
Nicd-hahaha :D10:13
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SK_workAL13N_work: infinite loop10:15
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dr_gogeta86copiling my first jolla kernel module10:18
dr_gogeta86i'm bit scared btw10:18
intemodule for what?10:20
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dr_gogeta86intermediate function block10:21
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dr_gogeta86usefull for traffic shaping purpuses10:21
inteok good luck10:22
intei was thinking of trying out fde on the jolla10:22
inteshould be possible with truecrypt10:23
inteand reconfiguring initrd10:23
inteon the other hand, probably too much work10:23
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AL13N_workmeklu: i have no idea10:24
AL13N_workdr_gogeta86: you could speak with raim, he's built some before for me10:25
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Sail0rhttp://www.jollausers.com/2014/07/video-swype-keyboard-teaser-for-sailfish-os/10:49
Bysmyyrooh!10:49
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Sail0rlooks awesome10:51
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stephgshiney10:54
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chem|stAL13N_work: at least yours is moving10:59
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AL13N_workif only it would move in my general direction11:02
AL13N_workinstead of away11:03
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xmlich02tbr, I didn't realized, that I need to run journalctl under root user. Here is the log http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/tmp/jolla-journal.txt11:10
tbrxmlich02: well, I don't need it, but special or some other sailor might find it helpful11:11
tbralso might help to specify at which time this problem occurred to narrow down the search in the log11:12
xmlich02It was today about 10:17 CEST11:13
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xmlich02The message is probably gone )-;11:13
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giucamxmlich02: so you got a call and was unable to answer?11:23
giucamxmlich02: was the phone app unresponsive?11:23
xmlich02giucam, yes. See screen shot http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/tmp/20140701101713.png11:24
giucamxmlich02: yeah, i saw. do you still have it open?11:25
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xmlich02I had to make the phone call, so I rebooted..11:26
giucamah11:27
Anz_is it like an issue due to the gui part.. there was 'any key answer' option on old phønes. something of that sort shall be helpful in this kinda situations?11:28
AL13N_workphønes11:31
AL13N_worklol11:31
giucamphönes, rather. isn't ø norwegian?11:32
AL13N_worki though swedish11:32
mekluø is norwegian/danish11:32
mekluswedish uses ö11:32
ruskiewell sorted the client side cert for now but do wish that the browser would provide an UI to select the cert properly11:32
AL13N_workah11:32
specialxmlich02: yeah, there aren't any calls in that journal11:34
specialxmlich02: weird looking cover, though.11:34
specialno idea what would cause that..11:35
specialruskie: browser is OSS, you can add one! ;)11:35
xmlich02Next time, I will try to catch log before reboot.11:36
ruskiespecial, browser has one11:37
ruskiejust need cosmetic fixes to make it usable11:37
ruskiesomething I'm not really quallified to do11:37
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specialxmlich02: we have seen some similar reports and there have been improvements, for what it's worth..11:38
dr_gogeta86special: shit works11:44
specialhm?11:45
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dr_gogeta86ifb interface on jolla11:48
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* special doesn't know what that is11:50
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Anz_AL13N_work: :) yeah, Jolla keyboard sometimes graciously offers accented letters accidentally. May be I shall remove all such characters from the English keyboard layout12:05
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AL13N_workAnz_: it would be better, if the jolla keyboard could detect multiple languages in the same message :-)12:14
AL13N_workor at least autodetect which language (and thus also the personal words)12:14
AL13N_workotoh, i'm still waiting for the azerty (.be) one :-/12:15
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Anz_the point was.. volume bottons shall answer an incoming call (and the power button may reject(12:20
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AL13N_workoh that12:22
AL13N_worki don't quite agree about that, if i grab it out of my pocket, i'll have accidentally accepted or rejected12:23
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Anz_well, just a suggestion ..if someone is unable to answer major share of incoming calls due to laggy ui. an unlikely user case like: “honey, when I call.. just pick the damn phöne; dont wait to put on the lipstick!”12:30
speciala lagging ui is a bug, and you don't fix bugs with features12:32
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Aardwe could do ear detection via front camera to auto-answer calls12:36
Nicd-that would be cool12:41
mekluthat doesn't sound too good12:41
mekluan unreliable feature is worse than no feature, IMO12:42
Nicd-doesn't one of the samsung galaxys already have that?12:42
mekluI think you'd have to at the very least combine that with a proximity sensor12:42
Nicd-it also has "silence call by turning phone's display downwards" which my friend uses12:42
meklueh, I'd rather have the volume down button do that12:43
Anz_answering an incoming phone call is the one most basic feature of any phone. IMHO a hard button wont do any harm12:43
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Anz_special: true; bugs are to be individually addressed and fixed. but then there are workarounds and alternate features too..  that can 'get things done' while waiting for the fix.12:54
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inte`samsung always had this silence call feature12:57
inte`even with their bada phones12:57
inte`5 years ago12:57
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inte`it's nice, though12:57
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inte`is there any word on nfc, like when it will become available or if there is a possibility to use the inbuild nfc module for anything else than detecting thos?12:58
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fluxI suppose it'd be possible to use the NFC for other things if you have a TOH without the tag.13:34
fluxbut jolla doesn't like that, because I imagine it was their investor pitch to have those smart covers ;)13:34
fluxand as removing the tag from existing covers might be a bit destructive, the way to do that is to 3d-print your cover.13:35
ppthat or they didn't get around to implementing a proper antenna :-)13:35
fluxwell, if you put your 'nfc' item right next to where the current tag is, I imagine it would work13:35
fluxanother alternative would be to have another NFC reader in a TOH13:36
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fluxprobably quite straightforward to hook one up13:36
fluxPN532 seems a popular NFC chip13:37
fluxit requies an oscillator and does SPI13:38
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flux..and i2c and serial13:39
dunphttp://www.noip.com/blog/2014/06/30/ips-formal-statement-microsoft-takedown/   :(13:41
kimmoli_sailing_was thinking passice amplifier for nfc, as the own antenna is meant only for few mm distance. lets see. but nfc toh is another option. then integration with sw is another thing in both cases13:43
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chem|stwill a 2.5mm bushing fit with the contacts and toh? seem to be unable to find smaller bushings13:54
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chem|stAL13N_work: seems mine is lost14:01
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intewhat is a bushing?14:16
inteok, using google:)14:16
intechem|st: Du hast die ganze Kopfhörerbuchse verloren!?!?!14:23
AL13N_workchem|st: :-(14:24
AL13N_workchem|st: somehow, i had a feeling it might14:24
jake9xxDu Hast mentioned [x] (Rammstein)14:24
AL13N_workchem|st: the driver should really be sued for stealing it14:24
AL13N_workjake9xx: ...14:24
chem|stinte: lol - lötmuffe, muffe = bushing Germans have to many words ending in one and the same in english14:25
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AL13N_workchem|st: perhaps you should check ebay or the likes for your serial number14:27
inte:)14:28
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chem|stAL13N_work: Jolla might take care of it, don't know yet14:55
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AL13N_workchem|st: it still sucks, especially since it's a first one15:19
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chem|stAL13N_work: especially as it was working fine apart of the vibe-motor15:43
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ottulo16:16
ottulo^ignore that16:16
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Almindorhey16:24
Almindoris there a "shared clipboard" support/app for Jolla and Linux/Mac/Windows?16:24
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inteAlmindor: "have clipboard"17:57
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intenever used it though17:57
intebut might be what youre looking for17:58
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pdanek1Swype on Jolla! The hype!18:54
inte??18:55
intethere is no swype on jolla yet18:55
inteis it?18:55
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pdanek1inte: http://www.jollausers.com/2014/07/video-swype-keyboard-teaser-for-sailfish-os/18:57
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AL13Nisn't that just a preview from someone who got it working?19:00
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intedamed that vid isnt running in konqueror19:06
intecool19:09
intelooks like on the n919:09
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Stskeepsgood evening19:14
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locusfhow does one go about when needing to manually extract apps from out of folders?19:30
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Morpog_PChttps://together.jolla.com/question/49191/we-love-features-but/20:39
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cvp_Morpog_PC: sure, ug fix are importend... but not all want wait 1 year to get features what he/she like20:59
cvp_*bug21:00
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M4rtinKMorpog_PC: kernel used to work like that IIRC21:13
M4rtinKstable/development releases21:13
M4rtinKbut they dropped some years ago and do mixed releases since then21:13
M4rtinKsome projects, such as for example Gnome, still do stable (even numbered) and development (odd numbered) releases21:14
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stephgahoy!21:45
cvp_hi21:46
chem|stlooking at the changelog of the last release, there is pretty much all love gone to bugfixes, some minor features and LTE which is not a feature request that was a missing spec21:54
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