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HtheBguys, is there a way to clear the phone call log (within the terminal)?07:16
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HtheBguys, is there a way to clear the phone call log (within the terminal)?07:18
rZrcheck ophono scripts07:24
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rZri think one of them is doing that07:24
rZrrpm -ql ofono07:24
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HtheBthnx!07:26
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rangoyis there any way to see older call log entries for one contact?07:32
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TMavicais some android game that need data file manully placing, not work of that?08:32
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chem|stAL13N_work: yours arrived yet?08:51
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AL13N_workchem|st: no, it's planned for tomorrow, hold on, i'll go check09:27
AL13N_workhmm, it looks like it's already in .be ... why would it have to wait for tomorrow then? it was in .be this morning09:28
AL13N_workchem|st: lemme know if you hear something... i wonder what kind of resolution this issue will have09:29
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chem|stAL13N_work: will do09:56
w00t_AL13N_work: shipping something?09:57
chem|stw00t_: we are on about FedEx fwsckups09:57
w00t_heh09:57
w00t_their tracking can be a little strange09:57
chem|stmine is missing since last Wed, the one and only scan was the pickup-scan on dispatch09:58
chem|stw00t_: and not the tracking is strange, the places where packages have been on their world-holiday-roundtrip09:59
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AL13N_workyes10:16
AL13N_workbut i think i'm in the clear now, since mine is in .be10:17
AL13N_workwell, at least i'll probably not be fedex anymore locally10:17
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meklujust wait until they ship it to luxembourg and back10:19
mekluI wouldn't be surprised at this point10:19
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ruskiehmmm so mail and weather sync at 30 minutes tend to slurp up battery quite a bit... or is it just me...10:23
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AL13N_workmeklu: i already had fi -> fr -> fi -> se -> fr -> be10:38
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ruskiewow10:38
AL13N_workmeklu: plus, i already heard from one who passed by china... and probably there were import+export costs10:38
ruskiefun10:38
ruskiemust say mine just got stuck for a day in paris10:39
AL13N_worki got an sms that it would be delivered today (instead of tomorrow)10:39
AL13N_workso, i'm not complaining10:39
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mekluthank goodness I live in Finland10:43
mekluI ordered it last Thursday and it was at the local post office on Monday10:44
meklualthough the bloody place closed while I was still at work10:44
ruskiehmm I ordered on a friday and it was here on thursday(it was only processed on monday)10:44
mekluso I only got to pick it up yesterday10:44
meklumine was processed on Friday10:45
meklualthough I only got the delivery notice on Monday :b10:45
Nicd-meklu: which series did you get? (reads behind your battery, something like 12-2013)10:45
kimmolioh, optima was fast10:45
kimmolidropped it to their service yesterday before 16:00, today 12:00 got sms that it is ready10:46
mekluNicd-: not quite sure...10:46
AL13N_workmeklu: ah, you bought a jolla?10:47
mekluyup10:48
AL13N_workNicd-: i think i got 11-201310:48
meklu01-201410:48
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Nicd-I have 11-2013 too10:48
Nicd-meklu: my friend bought one a couple of months ago, got 12-201310:48
AL13N_workin shop or online?10:49
Nicd-hope they've got some hw kinks out in 1-201410:49
meklujolla's own online thing10:49
ruskie01-2014 here iirc was on the box as well10:49
AL13N_workNicd-: i hope my hw kinks are now fixed, when i get it later today10:50
AL13N_workNicd-: i guess they are not shipping the oldest first, but randomly pick one10:50
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chem|stAL13N_work: packages going on travel through a chinese hub will not be taxed unless they leave the hub11:06
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chem|stNicd-: I had one from the first batch and had no hw kinks apart of a broken vibrator11:10
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Nicd-chem|st: well that would be quite a situation indeed if ALL the first batch devices were faulty :P11:26
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tadzikhello11:28
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Stskeepshello hello11:30
tadzikhey, long time no see11:30
tadzikmy jolla just arrived, I thought I'll hop in11:30
Nicd-congrats :)11:31
Stskeepscool11:31
Stskeepshope you'll enjoy it11:31
tadzikwell, couple of things seem broken so far :P But the overall experience for the last 15 minutes is pretty good11:31
Stskeepsdid you upgrade your device first?11:33
tadzikthe system update has just popped in11:34
tadzikbut the wifi keeps dropping11:34
AL13N_worki suppose there needs to be several upgrades?11:34
AL13N_workwhat kind of version is shipped?11:34
tadzikit's .2.5 now11:34
tadzikit's going to update to .7.1611:35
specialshould be offering you the update to 1.0.7, then11:35
specialwhich is the latest.11:35
tadzikthat sounds like quite a lot of versions11:35
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AL13N_worknice11:35
AL13N_workdirectly to the last one11:35
tadzikso I was not on second-last, heh11:35
tadzikthat explains a lot of things, potentially11:35
AL13N_workthe new version has alot of new features, including 4G11:35
tadzikyeah, it says so11:36
AL13N_workbut even all the battery charge and wifi fixes from the releases in between you'll get those too11:36
tadzikif the wifi manages to stay up for the time to download the update, heh :)11:36
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speciala *lot* of things have improved since update2 :)11:37
AL13N_worktry to move closer to the ap11:37
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AL13N_workjust for the duration of the download11:37
inzI also just got myself some jolla love just a couple of days ago11:37
AL13N_workinz and, how is it?11:37
AL13N_workinz you upgraded to the latest one, right?11:37
inzAL13N_work, yes, installed all upgrades it has offered11:38
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inzAL13N_work, it's really weird, but in a good way =)11:38
tadzikI switched from the N900, everything is so smooth11:38
inzMe too11:38
AL13N_workinz: thank the gods for the tutorial, huh?11:38
tadzikwell, I probably wouldn't have done that if both n900s didn't die on my like they had a killswitch11:38
inzAL13N_work, I guess it helped, although during it I was only thinking "how do I get rid of this"11:39
AL13N_workhaha11:39
AL13N_workwell, it doesn't take long11:39
tadzikthe tutorial actually hides something in the process11:39
AL13N_workthe tutorial does explain how to get rid of it :-)11:39
tadzikit tells you about a pull-down menu and hides there11:39
tadzikI was like "ha, there you are!"11:40
tadzikit was nice11:40
AL13N_workheh11:40
Yanielhmm11:40
* pdanek misses his N900 so much11:40
tadzikI miss the keyboard :/11:40
AL13N_worki found the "you're too far, it was the one before" pulley menu item from the tutorial11:40
inzMy N900 was actually still "working," but upgraded nevertheless11:40
inz(the display was badly cracked)11:41
AL13N_workthat was the funnyets11:41
Yanielso how am I supposed to get caldav to sync?11:41
Yanieldbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'caldav-sync'11:41
Yaniel^ just prints "boolean true"11:41
AL13N_worki hear "sync or reboot" for caldav issues11:42
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inztadzik, I do miss the keyboard, but less than I thought I would11:44
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AL13N_workluckily the fingerterm has excellent keyboard11:44
inztadzik, fingerterm helps a lot there =)11:44
inzAL13N_work, indeed.11:44
AL13N_worki miss my jolla11:44
tadzikI wonder how will I be changing tabs in weechat/tmux on that11:44
pdanekSwype on Sailfish OS, the hype!11:44
AL13N_worklike when i'm watching my STB and i need to do some maintenance11:44
AL13N_worki don't really need swype11:45
mekluswype looks terrible11:46
Nicd-tadzik: fingerterm has gesture mode, you can swipe left/right to change buffer11:46
mekluI wouldn't trust it to pick up the right characters11:46
tadzikNicd-: can you configure what those swipes shoudld send?11:47
AL13N_workyay, it's back11:47
Nicd-tadzik: yes11:48
Nicd-from .config/FingerTerm/settings.ini11:48
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tadzikNicd-: awesome11:50
tadzikbtw, what does the star on the wifi notification mean?11:50
tadzik"wifi available?"11:50
Nicd-I think so11:50
tadzikso, in other words, "I dropped the wifi and didn't tell you"11:50
Nicd-that too11:50
Nicd-I just don't use wifi at all as it's so buggy currently :<11:50
TemeVtadzik: for mee it seems to be "connected to wifi, but no internet"11:51
mekluI've had wifi work pretty decently11:51
pdanekNicd-: gesture mode in fingerterm? how to enabe it?11:51
Nicd-pdanek: from the menu11:51
TemeVe.g. when you have to login for the wifi, it shows the star before logging in11:52
TemeVand normal symbol after11:52
Nicd-there's options "gesture", "scroll" and "select"11:52
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pdanekNicd-: aaaah, how could I miss it11:53
pdanekthanks11:53
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AL13N_workah crap, i forgot my sim and sd at home11:59
AL13N_workwell, i can at least register and update to latest i guess, (unless if already is)11:59
ruskieis there a way to use google's calendar either caldav or ical sub somehow? I tried caldav but that needs oauth and doesn't seem to work and I don't want to add a google account to my device12:00
specialruskie: you can add a google account and only enable the calendar features12:00
tadzikhmm, can I convince jolla with only stock set of apps installed to connect to the internet through the usb cable?12:01
stephgtadzik: probably only if you enable developer mode12:02
tbrtadzik: only in dev mode12:02
tadzikhm. When I say "enable developer mode" it sits there and shows a "I'm working" bar, is it downloading something?12:03
AL13N_workthe store login, was the the username/password or email/password?12:03
Nicd-tadzik: afaik yes12:03
Nicd-it downloads the dev mode packages12:03
tadziksounds reasonable12:04
Nicd-AL13N_work: username/pass for me (jolla account)12:04
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tadzikI am a bit confused about jolla store user/pass vs jolla shop user/pass12:05
Stskeepssadly two different things12:05
tadzikI assumed so, as the latter didn't have a username12:05
ruskiespecial, according to the info on the screen it wants to do it all... doesn't give me a choice and I don't plan on logging in until I can preset that... since the only google account I have is work related and I don't need work contacts on my personal devices12:07
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specialruskie: after you sign in, you should get a dialog that lets you select email/IM/contacts/calendar12:07
special90% sure that's working in update 7, maybe someone else here can confirm12:08
ruskiewell the text describing what will happen doesn't state I would have much of an option to change this12:09
ruskieor maybe I'm just poorly reading it12:09
specialis it google's oauth page? or ToS?12:09
specialI believe we request all of the same oauth scopes regardless of which features you enable (because oauth is done before you select the features)12:10
ruskiein the ToS page12:10
ruskiebefore you get to the oauth page12:10
ruskieI can give it a try12:11
ruskieat most will just have the delete a bunch of ppl I guess12:11
ruskieI assume there is no sync the other way12:11
specialafter you sign in and allow oauth, you should see a page with the account settings and switches for each of those services12:12
specialdisable the ones you don't want before accepting that dialog12:12
ruskieok will give it a shot12:12
ruskiewell it now shows me the app wants to do the following12:13
ruskieI assume there are settings after I accept this?12:13
specialyes12:13
specialthat's google's oauth permissions12:13
ruskieI have the option to disable IM, email and sharing12:14
ruskiedon't see anything else12:14
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specialok, if it doesn't ask about contacts you might want to abort so I don't screw up your life ;)12:15
specialmaybe that wasn't added in update 7..12:15
ruskienah you wouldn't screw up much...12:16
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specialmoment12:16
ruskiewould be easier if the caldav add account would handle this gracefuly12:16
specialmaybe it does? I don't know12:17
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ruskienope12:17
ruskiedoesn't handle the oath12:17
ruskieatleast when I tried to add that way12:17
specialah, well, if you want oauth it needs to go as a google account. No real way around that.12:18
specialI guess those toggles weren't in update 712:18
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ruskiewell I don't want oauth12:19
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ruskiebut google doesn't allow any other way12:19
specialupdate 8 lets you disable contact sync and all for google accounts12:19
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ruskiehehe my cellco would like to charge me 3eur/month for LTE... after I'm already paying them 7 or so eur/month for 300mb 3g... haha12:22
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tadzik:o12:23
AL13N_worki pay 15EUR for 2GB + calls/sms12:23
Stskeepstadzik: upgraded yet? :P12:23
ruskieI pay 7eur for basic phone/sms service12:23
AL13N_workrather, i pay 15EUR for calls, and get 2GB data with it12:23
ruskie50 minutes or so12:23
ruskiecalls12:23
tadzikStskeeps: I gave up on upgrading and I'm trying to make it enable developer mode, it's probably smaller ;)12:23
ruskiethen extra package for 300mb 3g12:23
Stskeepstadzik: hmm12:23
ruskiewith just a speed downgrade if I go abvoe12:24
tadzikStskeeps: I'm monitoring Data Counters and it seems to be fetching about 1MB per minute12:24
tadzik(no typo)12:24
AL13N_worktadzik: no wifi?12:24
tadzikAL13N_work: I am on wifi12:24
Stskeepstadzik: i'd personally factory reset, connect to a wifi that seems stable, upgrade..12:24
tadzikfrankly, I don't have a mini-sim yet :P12:24
AL13N_worki cut mine12:24
AL13N_workthat worked pretty well12:24
tadzikStskeeps: factory reset? I took if out of the box less than an hour ago12:24
specialtadzik: fwiw we've been improving connectivity and wifi since update 2 too :p12:24
tadzikyou think I broke it already?12:25
Nicd-AL13N_work: 12 € per month here (FI) would get you 2M unlimited data with 250 mins of calls and 25 sms IIRC12:25
tadzikspecial: good to know :)12:25
Stskeepsnah, but i would just recommend just upgrading asap12:25
Stskeeps:P12:25
tadzikwill do that :)12:25
AL13N_work2mbps?12:25
Nicd-yes12:25
meklu21?12:25
tadzikmy plan was to go developer mode and then connect it to the internet through the usb cable12:25
mekluMb != MB12:26
Nicd-I know12:26
ruskiehmm I have 2 xmpp accounts on my jolla(personal and work(gtalk)) but I can only control one in the notification screen under presence...12:26
Stskeepstadzik: weren't you in warsaw or do i remember wrong?12:26
tadzikStskeeps: you remember correctly12:26
Nicd-I meant 2Mb as that's how you measure network speed usually12:26
Stskeepstadzik: if you don't have it solved by monday i'll personally service your device12:26
Stskeeps:P12:26
tadzikStskeeps: okay :)12:26
tadziknow _that_ is customer support12:26
Stskeeps1.0.2.5 is just a pain in the ass :)12:27
tadzikbut the swiping is so smooth <312:27
Stskeepshehe12:27
tadzik(signed, a diehard n900 fan)12:27
Stskeepsit gets much better in later updates12:27
ruskieonly shows my personal one under controlled services... yet I'm getting messages from the other one(which I'd like to set to offline)12:27
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YanielI'm just annoyed that it resets the swipe from top to close -setting at every boot12:28
tadzikStskeeps: well, 1.0.2.5 has a bit of a bootstraping problem now :)12:28
specialruskie: you're getting messages from an account not listed in presence? are you sure..?12:28
ruskieyeah12:28
ruskie100% sure12:28
Yanielis there some dconf setting that controls that?12:28
tadzik"you should totally update it via wifi, because so many things are broken. Like wifi"12:28
Yanielor have I just hit some weird bug somewhere12:28
Stskeepstadzik: sometimes you just get unlucky..12:28
tadzikI guess so12:28
Stskeepstadzik: disable bluetooth, maybe wifi is more stable then12:28
tadzikwhen I get back home I'm gonna put it right next to the router12:28
ruskiebecause that contact is not on my personal account12:29
specialruskie: mind trying mc-tool list; mc-tool show gabble/jabber/... and see if it says the invisible one is online?12:29
tadzikStskeeps: not enabled12:29
Stskeepsok12:29
tadzikStskeeps: oh well, I should just be patient :)12:29
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w00t_Stskeeps: https://twitter.com/w00teh/status/43681046363324006412:29
ruskiesure thing12:29
ruskieenabled, connects automacitally12:30
ruskiesays presences as current offline12:31
ruskierequested available12:31
ruskiechanging ye12:31
Nicd-https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/481173062826856449 -- oh man oh man oh man12:32
Nicd-would buy that in an instant12:32
ruskiegot 4 notifications so far(from icinga/nagios at work)12:32
ruskiehence why it's not on my personal xmpp hehe12:32
tadzikplease tell me you offered this guy a job already12:32
specialruskie: you can't receive messages if it's current: offline..12:32
ruskiethen expalin how I got 4 of them12:33
tadzikhe's making a killer feature of jolla an actual existing thing12:33
Nicd-tadzik: they should employ kimmoli as their OH designer :P12:33
Stskeepstadzik: i don't disagree, just have to be careful not to starve a community of talent12:33
Stskeepsnokia did that quite intensively with maemo.org12:33
tadzikStskeeps: ha, true12:33
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FireFlyNicd-: !12:34
FireFly*Nice*12:34
ruskiedo wonder why it is in offline mode though...12:34
ruskieit should have connected12:34
FireFlykimmoli: do want :312:34
ruskiebut I should see both xmpps in the presence window right?12:35
specialruskie: yes.. with a weird exception: accounts won't show up there until they've connected for the first time12:35
specialso they won't show up if the password is wrong, for example12:36
special(this is crap and I should improve it, but the list of "this is crap and I should improve it" is quite long)12:36
Yanielthe best part about accounts is when they make the initial contact and never connect again after that12:37
ruskieand I just got 3 more messages12:37
tadzikthat can't be true for xmpp12:37
ruskievia that so called offline account12:37
specialruskie: and there isn't any other account in mc-tool list that they're coming from?12:37
ruskie2 jabber and one phone12:37
ruskiethe other jabber is as said my personal12:37
ruskiethat doesn't have this contact12:37
Yanieland uh, I have no idea what the power button logic is when connected to the charger12:38
specialI know as a fact that a middleware piece wouldn't accept messages for an account in 'current: offline'12:38
ruskieand I just deleted that account12:38
ruskieand still getting them12:38
ruskieit happend after I did that google account stuff12:38
ruskieand it is a contact on that one12:38
ruskieI removed that google account though12:39
special'mc-tool list' is a list of all IM accounts. Google would show up there if it was set up.12:39
ruskielret's see... now deleted the xmpp account12:39
ruskieand will readd it12:40
ruskieI deleted the xmpp account and just got another notification12:40
Yanielohh, might have found something related to my sdcard problems12:41
specialruskie: and they aren't going to SMS or something? :p12:41
ruskie100% not12:41
tadzikStskeeps: is it possible that .2.5 likes to disconnect wifi when the screen is off? I remember that nemo did so at some point12:41
ruskiemaybe I should reboot12:41
ruskiemaybe some odd state happened when I added that google account12:41
ruskieand then deleted it12:41
specialperhaps.. but 'mc-tool list' does not lie.12:41
YanielBTRFS error (device mmcblk1p1) in cleanup_transaction:1226: IO failure12:41
specialif it's not in that list, it does not exist in the middleware that connects to XMPP servers12:41
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ruskiegot a better suggestion?12:42
specialand if it's not connected there, it's not connected12:42
Yanielthen a bunch of SET_BLOCK_COUNT timeouts12:42
ruskiewell it doesn't exist there anymore even12:42
ruskiedeleted it as said12:42
ruskiestill getting the notifications12:42
Yaniel mmc1: Card stuck in programming state! mmcblk1 mmc_blk_err_check12:43
Yanieldoes that ring any bells ^12:43
StskeepsYaniel: that smells like a bad card.....12:44
ruskiewaiting to see if it was just a bit of a sync between ui and the telepathy12:45
Yanielthat's what I fear12:45
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ruskieand another one from a now deleted by 5 minutes account12:48
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specialsqlite3 ~/.local/share/commhistory/commhistory.db then SELECT * FROM Events ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1;12:48
specialit will show the telepathy ID of the account the message came from, equivalent to mc-tool list12:48
special(.quit to get out of sqlite3)12:49
ruskiethankl know a bit of sqlite312:49
Yanieloh well, I'll get a new card someday(tm)12:49
Yanielnext, how can I extort an explanation out of the caldav account?12:49
ruskiegoogle_2dtalk_1012:50
ruskiewhich doesn't show in mc-tool list at all12:50
specialmm12:51
specialgdbus introspect -e -d org.freedesktop.Telepathy.ConnectionManager.gabble -o /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Connection/gabble/jabber12:52
specialif you see a node for google_2dtalk_10 there, and mc-tool doesn't list it, you've confused telepathy in a beautiful way12:52
ruskiesounds like my standar MO then12:53
ruskienope doesn't show in there12:54
Yanielhmm: "PUT" request failed. 401 "Network request failed with QNetworkReply::NetworkError: 299"12:55
ruskiedo see a gmail_2ecom node there...12:55
ruskiewhich I find odd12:55
Yanielsays CalDavClient in journal12:55
specialthat may be it12:55
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specialgabble might name them after the login rather than the account12:55
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ruskieyeah but that isn't the login12:56
ruskiethat's the prob12:56
ruskiethe other two nodes in there are @mydomain and @mywork domain in there12:56
ruskieand another notification lol12:56
ruskiebut even that's odd12:56
ruskieI deleted the other xmpp account as well12:57
ruskieonly my personal account should be showing up in there12:57
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ruskieany more ideas?13:01
Yanielwho should I debug that networkerror 299?13:02
ruskiewell heading home so afk for an hour or so13:02
Yanielhow*13:02
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tadzikStskeeps: okay, it seems like with the router few rooms away the downlink is 0.15 Mbps :O13:08
tadzikStskeeps: I'll update it at home later :)13:09
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chem|stI have trippled the "we get back to you!" now... fedex .fi and .de are not calling back, jolla-care is now new on the list, lets see who will get back to me first...13:38
chem|stand it seems fedex never got back to optima as they said they do13:38
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AL13N_work:-S13:40
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tadzikmy jolla was sent on monday, arrived today13:40
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chem|sttadzik: have fun!13:50
tadzikI will, as soon as I find myself 10cms from a wifi router :P13:51
chem|sttadzik: usb-networking?13:52
tadzikchem|st: that requires developer mode13:52
tadzikwhich needs to download stuff13:52
chem|stno mdata?13:52
tadzikI don't have a mini-sim yet :)13:53
chem|stah...13:53
tadzikI'll pick one up after $work13:53
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tadzikalso, I really wouldn't like to do much updating over mdata13:54
tadzikI usually bought 25MBs for $1 and it lasted me for a month :)13:54
chem|sttadzik: installing dev mode should be fine though13:54
tadzikI suppose13:54
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chem|stbe aware that not updated SFOS connects mdata to get a gps-fix, I have 10MB free on roaming so it wasn't related to any costs for me but I see the connection listed on my bill13:56
tadzikSFOS?13:57
chem|stsailfishos13:57
tadzikaha13:57
tadzikwell, I plan to have it updated soon enough13:57
chem|stI wasn't able to check the current version to its extent yet13:57
tadzikand I usually don't have gps enabled unless I'm looking at maps, which don't work offline iirc?13:57
chem|stbut that it connects to a roaming network with roaming turned off can get expensive, although I'd send the bill to Jolla13:58
tadzikuhh, indeed13:58
chem|stalso the check "am I really online" is connecting to a blank html file at jolla.com13:59
chem|stso that gets loaded every time I guess13:59
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javispedrosimilar to every other connection check14:00
javispedrobut, did it fetch mdata even when you disabled roaming mdata?14:00
chem|stjavispedro: yes I have disabled data-roaming and was charged some kb when travelling through france14:00
javispedrothat is BAD (tm)14:01
chem|stthat is very bad14:01
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chem|stI do not want the need to care about what my phone has active when I cross boarders... but well happens, I knew it is dodgy and I did not care on purpose14:03
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javispedrowait I second, do I need to pay to attend qt dev days?14:14
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javispedrosadly not the ideal place for a jolla european meetup then..14:15
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inteBerlin?14:20
inteThey should have rather done it in Helsinki you think? :)14:20
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javispedroanywhere but make one! :)14:23
javispedrootherwise... /me bookmarks fosdem'1514:24
inteBerlin is not too far off from anywere in Europe and its also quite cheap14:24
intenot the worst choice IMHO14:24
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ruskiespecial, a reboot sorted it out14:36
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chem|struskie: some things do, others do not get reset with a factory reset...14:44
chem|stat least last time I checked14:44
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tadzikStskeeps: ha, I managed to put the phone right next to the AP in the server room and after a reboot it managed to download the update, which is now installing :)15:11
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stephgtadzik: \o/15:17
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tadzikthe speedtest website still reports miserable speeds and latency though15:20
tadzikbut about 5x higher than before15:20
tadzikI'll see at home how it works compared to the laptop on the same wifi15:20
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tadziktwitter integration seems to still not work though15:23
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stephgtadzik: speedtest on the wireless or 3/4g or..?15:35
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chem|ststephg: wlan15:42
Jake--Hi, has someone experienced this on their jolla: My phone was in service and now I got it back. It has been factory reset, and now after doing the inital setup, and I try the pull-down menu from the top, there is only one option, silence sounds. No phone, settings etc what there used to be.. Any ideas how to fix? Also when trying to close apps by swiping from top, seems apps now just minimize, not close..15:47
stephgJake--: re- the minimize, that's a setting you need to enable in settings → shortcuts iirc15:48
stephgand the shortcuts for other things in the pulley are there too15:49
AL13N_workJake--: i've sen this before too15:50
AL13N_workboth15:50
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AL13N_workin the new version, swipe from top is disabled by default, we just had it on, because we had the old versions upgraded15:50
AL13N_worki still think it's stupid to have this off by default15:51
AL13N_workbut that's another thing15:51
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AL13N_workand the shortcuts are gone too... donno why, maybe the new version doesn't have any shortcuts by default15:51
stephgwell you put them back in the same place15:52
stephgAL13N_work: does that mean your phone arrived then?15:52
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Jake--Thanks for the support guys, all working now.. I should have gone thru the settings also.. Previously I had just always upgraded the os and those functions/shortcuts were there by default.15:55
AL13N_workstephg: yes15:55
AL13N_workJake--: yes, because it keeps your old settings through upgrade15:56
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Jake--Ok, thanks15:57
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pdanekhttp://crackberry.com/exclusive-pre-release-review-blackberry-passport16:20
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specialruskie: good. weird situation.16:29
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tadzikok, jolla now reported similar wifi speeds to my laptop, both standing like 1m from the AP17:13
tadzikI'll check later how does it behave when it's furher away17:13
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AL13Nfuck18:10
AL13NStskeeps: i lots my sdcard18:11
AL13N*lost18:11
AL13Ni kept it with the sim in a box18:11
AL13Nand now i'm opening the box, and only the sim is in there18:11
AL13Nmy backups were on the device18:11
AL13N*sdcard18:11
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AL13Nfuck, fuck, fuck18:11
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AL13N:-(18:13
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coderusin a box?.. what box?..18:20
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* tbr is living in a box *lalala*18:23
tbrhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sq8VDXlWQk18:24
rZrtbr, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHZS8S6O4-Y men in a box18:28
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AL13Ncoderus: some box with wrapping paper in, i put both sim and sdcard in it18:32
AL13Nbecause i shipped jolla for repair18:32
AL13Nnow that it's back, i wanted to put in sdcard18:32
AL13Nand restore from backup18:32
AL13Nbut the sdcard has disappeared :-(18:32
AL13Nwith all my media, development, chroots, etc...18:33
AL13Non top of that, it appears i didn't even save my contacts on SIM card either :-(18:33
AL13Nthe world sucks18:33
walokrawhy did you even put sim and sdcard with it18:34
AL13Nsomeday, i'm gonna blow up the earth...18:34
AL13Nwalokra: i didn't put it with the phone18:34
AL13Ni kept it separate18:34
AL13Nat home18:34
AL13Nin a box18:34
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chem|stAL13N: wrapping paper sounds like it is now on the floor under your desk as you flipped it out with the paper19:21
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Nicd-how can I email a .txt from my device?19:25
Nicd-it's in ~/Documents but it's not found in the attachments menu19:26
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Nicd-meh, I'll just scp it19:29
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pdanek1http://www.berryreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/BrL9i3BCMAA3yD31.jpg20:13
pdanek1Do you think it's waste of space? Not to have special characters on keys (used with shift), but on screen instead?20:13
Eztraner, that is an awfully small amount of remaining screen space.20:15
pdanek1:)20:15
EztranPresumably normally most of that would be hidden and just a few extra characters visible?20:16
pdanek1Yes, indeed, only the bottom row is visible normally.20:16
pdanek1And it's predictive, so in different programs / uses, different characters are shown on bottom row.20:16
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pdanek1But I was curious how big overkill is it with full character list rolled up.20:17
EztranNot as bad as it looks, then. Never really been into the portrait-keyboard thing personally, though, particularly if you need more characters onscreen just for normal usage.20:17
pdanek1Me neither, but mostly because portrait keyboards are too narrow.20:19
pdanek1And this one is gonna be pretty wide, so quite comfortable to type with 2 hands.20:19
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EztranProbably better, but one of the main selling points of it being the other way round could be the addition of extra characters. Looks like it needs onscreen keys just to type a standard sentence - autocapitalisation and stuff can do a lot, but no full stop?20:20
EztranAnd when you have to switch off the keys to type something at least once per sentence, the question 'why bother?' kinda appears.20:22
pdanek1Physical keys are touch-sensitive too.20:23
pdanek1So maybe those onscreen characters can be chosen with gestures too.20:23
EztranThat could work, I guess?20:24
pdanek1Maybe.20:25
pdanek1We'll see.20:25
pdanek1People who have tried it wrote only good things.20:25
EztranI'm guessing those who have one by this point generally wanted one previously? =)20:26
pdanek1It's not out yet.20:26
pdanek1Official release in September.20:26
EztranMmm, it's the leak review (s?) at this point, right.20:26
inteI want a N900/N950-style Jolla20:26
pdanek1It's not even final HW revision.20:26
pdanek1It's prototype.20:26
intemaybe a bit bigger20:27
EztranOh, really? Didn't realise that. Be interesting to see if they change anything, then.20:27
inteor maybe a small tablet of say 8"20:27
pdanek1From keyboard point of view, it's gonna stay the same.20:27
intewith a N900 style keyboard20:27
pdanek1inte: N900 keyboard was amazing, but Nokia E5 kbd was better, wasn't it?20:27
Eztraninte: think many of us wanted an N900/N950ish Jolla, but I'm not sure the UI's designed for that so far, really.20:27
intejep the ui is probably not yet ready20:28
Eztranand all I've heard of the N950's keyboard suggests it had the same build quality as the rest of the phone, i.e. very obviously a dev-only device.20:28
inten950 was designed for the formfactor thrughout20:28
intepdanek1: never had an E520:28
intearg the n900 was designed for landscape mode20:29
intethe whole os20:29
EztranVery much so, yeah.20:29
intethere was barely support for portrait mode in the beginning20:29
EztranYeah, like just the phone app IIRC?20:29
intejep20:29
intei always used it in landscape and that was just fine20:30
inteif nokia would have brought a kindofsupersized n900 at that time20:30
inteso to say, a small tablet with n900 keyboard20:30
intethat would have sold bomb for sure20:30
inteeven for the n900 people ported apps like openoffice or abiword20:30
EztranWould have been a kinda Pandora-ish thing, I suppose?20:30
inteor may kontact touch20:31
intewell the pandora, this experimental thing?20:31
EztranI mean, that sold pretty well for not having mass-production prices.20:31
inteyeah, maybe a bit stylischer :)20:31
inteEztran: did it?20:31
intenever heard about anyone buying this20:32
Eztranit actually sold something! =)20:32
EztranPut a big company behind any of these devices with decent marketing and they could take off, it's kinda interesting to see what happens without that.20:33
intewell, the N9 still sold better than the Lumia800, so its not all about the marketing ;)20:33
intebut, sure, pretty much20:33
EztranThe N9 did get marketing in some countries, but true, nothing like the plugging for WP7.20:34
inteand, in which countries?20:34
inteaustria, swiss, finland20:34
intecompared to all the big countries for the lumia20:34
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inteand still the N9 sold better20:35
EztranMmm, here in the UK, they basically pretended the N9 didn't exist. Lumias were all over the TV.20:35
slateinte: give me facts20:35
intewell but really anyone knew the l800 was crap:)20:35
inteEztran: same in germany20:35
inteslate: that was in the news those days20:35
EztranWas an N9 without anything which made the N9 interesting =D20:35
intethe 4/11 quater i guess20:36
slateso just talks20:36
slate;)20:36
intesales numbers20:36
slateshow me20:36
intesymbian, featurephones, windows, other20:36
Eztranthere were some pretty funny figures around everywhere at the time.20:36
inteand other was higher than windows20:36
inteslate really?20:36
intei need to google that20:36
slateYe, I'm really interested, since l800 really got millions to marketing20:37
EztranFrom what I remember at the time, N9 didn't just outsell the 800, it outsold much of WP7 for a short while at least.20:37
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EztranThis discussion's been had a million times here, though, and the very fact there was something worthwhile in it is why this channel exists =)20:38
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intefound this20:39
intehttp://www.osnews.com/story/25569/Nokia_N9_Outselling_Lumia_20:39
intejust estimates20:40
pdanek1hmm20:40
slateLaunch-sales could be bigger, that I understand directly since l800 had limited countries at launch20:40
intebut seems not to far off for me20:40
Eztranouch. Other stuff from there: WinMo was outselling WP =D20:40
intei live in germany and i knew two people who bought an N920:40
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intebut not a single person who bought a lumia 80020:40
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intenow some people have lumias20:41
slateinte: i was just reading the source of that text. :P20:41
intebut back in 11 never had20:41
intetomi ahonen?20:41
EztranI know someone who got a 900, does that count?20:41
EztranEr, one person.20:41
intethis guy seems to have a severe problem with nokia :)20:41
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inteEztran: no20:42
intebut I found that remarkably those days20:42
intesince you couldnt get the n9 in germany officially20:42
slateIn finland l800 and l900 were quite common to be honest, more common than meego.20:42
inteanyways20:42
intei dont know a single person who has a jolla20:42
inte(except for me) :)20:42
inteslate: ah really20:42
intewell yeah its finish20:43
M4rtinKwell, I know a couple of them :)20:43
intebut MS was also notoriously faking the sales numbers20:43
intelike for china20:43
slatearent they all20:43
M4rtinKand quite a lot of FOSDEM attendants had them :)20:43
intewere the lumia was outselling the iphone lol, of course :)20:43
inteslate: yeah but for the l800 that was so obvious20:44
inteso many faked reviews, e.g. at amazon20:44
EztranYuk. Fanboyism in reviews can be annoying, but it's still a thousand times better than astroturfing.20:44
inteand wp7 was so crappy skype couldnt even stay online when in background20:44
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inteEztran: that were rather astroturfing reviews20:45
inteno fanyboy stuff20:45
slatethank god ms bought skype and remade the servers mobile-friendly20:45
intethere werent any wp fanboys in 2011 anyways :)20:45
inteslate: you mean, nsa-friendly? :)20:45
EztranHehe, actually there were, albeit not many, online.20:45
intei barely use skype anyways20:46
EztranWell, I have the choice of ad-supported (and not in a decent way, shove-half-your-screen-sideways-with-big-banner) Windows client, or likely-to-be-forever-buggy Linux client. Yay Skype!20:46
EztranOr, uh, not.20:47
slateos x version runs smooth.20:47
EztranHey, they got something right =)20:47
slateI use it at work to contact .fr and .ch20:47
slate;)20:47
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AL13Nchem|st: i quadruple checked that...21:00
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chem|stAL13N: check you surroundings, it is a chip in the size of a fingernail, black, easily hidden somewhere - below your keyboard, on/in your keyboard, pants, tucking of your shirt etc21:56
chem|stI found things in jackets I believed lost forever21:57
chem|sthmm do you say tucking as teh plural of tuck or is it tucks21:57
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