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stephgdoes anyone know off the top of their head which DB the call logs live in? my phone app is broken and I suspect the DB is corrupt (btrfs space I suspect)07:21
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stephgchriadam|away: ta07:22
stephgjust seeing if a reboot sorts it first...07:22
Stskeepsgood morning07:31
stephgning!07:37
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KiranosHi my phone has recently (after latest update) began to reboot itself, and also after a reboot randomly hangs att jolla boot splashscreen08:03
KiranosI havent found any acknowledgement that this is a known bug from jolla08:04
Kiranoswhat is the status, is my phone fubar?08:04
KiranosI have not needed the paper/battery fix before this upgrade, so I'm wondering if these reboots are unrelated to this08:04
Kiranos(also alot of together users say the paper fix doesnt fix it anymore)08:05
tadzikhmm, overnight my phone fixed itself, now I can turn mobile data on without problems08:11
tadzikmaybe it rebooted without me knowing :D08:11
tadzikok, it did not, unless uptime is lying08:11
tadzikis there a way to have two languages in the keyboard prediction? I often switch between Polish and English, and would like to have the predictor show me both08:19
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chem|stKiranos: at which battery percentage does it fail08:32
chem|sttadzik: not yet08:32
StskeepsKiranos: contact care08:32
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tadzikchem|st: I like the "yet", thanks :)08:35
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tadzikhmm, Calendar behaves really weird when the event ends at midnight, but now that I opened tjc and started typing, I'm not sure that qualifies as a bug08:39
tadziklong story short, when you select 0:00 as the End time, the calendar rolls the Start day back one day08:40
tadzikwhen you fix that, it bumps the End day08:40
tadzikThis frustrated me a lot, but I could just use 23:59 as the end that, if I knew that'd happen08:40
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chem|sttadzik: there is already a tjc about calendar not properly ending at midnight even for various cases iirc08:48
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tadzikoh, indeed. Good thing I didn't create mine then :)08:53
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Kiranoschem|st: random09:07
KiranosStskeeps: ok will do thanks09:07
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tadzikhuh, I need some assistance with building a project for Sailfish. It's to be a CLI application, and for that the Sailfish SDK only seems to support qmake and cmake09:23
tadzikI tried creating an "Import Project" project, and it clearly built it for amd64, giving me no option to run it in the emulator09:23
tadzikI also don't see gcc anywhere in the SailfishOS SDK directory09:25
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Nicd-tadzik: try #sailfishos09:42
tadzikoh, will do. Thanks09:42
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radekpKiranos: random reboots started here too after latest upgrade - before i didnt have single one09:53
radekpKiranos: funny is that the latest upgrade was supposed to fix sudden reboots - for me it introduced them...09:56
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Kiranosradekp: exactly as mine, never had any reboots before, this is why I worry there is something here, and that its being overlooked as the normal paper/battery issue09:57
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Kiranosand I dont have or ever had any third party repos installed09:58
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radekpKiranos: i can test with older kernel - but the reboots are not that easily reproducible...09:59
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Kiranosyea I would like to downgrade to last update10:00
Kiranosbut dont know how10:00
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tadzikit'd be nice.if.Jolla had reboot reason in syslog, like.maemo did10:01
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* tadzik sucks at pressing space in fingerterm10:02
radekphaving kernel git with proper history would be nice too...10:02
Nicd-there's /var/log/systemboot.log or something like that10:02
phdeswertadzik: dmesg also has a (re)boot reason right in the beginning.10:03
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tadzikphdeswer: ah, I see. Maybe it could be made more descriptive to help investigate the surprise reboots10:06
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phdeswerWell the /var/log/systemboot.log (as Nicd pointed out) is a bit more descriptive. But well sometimes it is not possible to determine what is behind a surprise reboot.10:08
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tadzikmhm10:09
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pdanekDo you think other-half will survive in Jolla 2?10:24
pdanekOr they will gave up on it?10:25
pdanekgive up*10:25
Nicd-I don't think they can give up10:25
Yanielneither do I10:25
fluxI assume they won't give it up, however I do wonder if jolla1 tohs will fit jolla210:26
fluxI imagine the answer is quite likely 'no'10:26
Yanielthat would be extremely bad pr for jolla too, so I'm not too sure10:27
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ppi2c pins & protocol vs. plastic size too, I don't see the latter being a huge problem10:28
fluxi2c is probably easy to preserve, but if they get locked into the same form factor for jolla2, it's going to be a bit limiting10:29
fluxfor me though the current size is perfect.10:29
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Kiranoswtf other half what?10:34
Kiranos:)10:34
KiranosI actually believe it has been ignored by jolla and its a big problem10:34
Kiranosits like releasing wiiu without any nintendo games to follow it up, if anyone is a gamer, and we know how that went10:35
Kiranosthey missed alot of publicity when they didnt have any actual other halfs that took advantage of the i2c10:35
tadzikwell, it seems like they expect externals to pick up on the idea10:35
Kiranosnot without proof of concept10:35
tadzikthey seem happy when kimmoli builds something10:35
tadzikthey shipped a couple of simple, colour-changing TOHs10:35
Kiranosyea angrybirds did a picture, yes! :P10:35
tadzikthey do deals with Angrybirds and whatnot10:36
tadzik(damn I hate mtp)10:36
Kiranosnot that it showcases the true potensial of other half10:36
Kiranosthey missed out on that10:36
tadzikno, it does not10:36
Kiranosand the publicity it would have brought10:36
tadzikotoh (ha ha), I'm sure they have enough work on their hands as it is10:37
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chem|stKiranos: random in between 100-4%?10:48
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Wntexternal people cannot really do i2c using other halfs either. I'm pretty sure it would not be possible to publish the needed software through Jolla store10:56
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Wntof course some partner could have special abilities, but the current limitations of what is allowed in store for normal publishers do not support daemons for example10:57
WntUsers of i2c other halfs need to have developer mode enabled to install such things, so it's a bit out of reach for the average consumer10:58
specialWnt: if you were writing one and wanted to get it into the store, contacting jolla could get you somewhere.10:59
kimmoli_sailing_basic i2c accesses should be acceptable by store10:59
Kiranoschem|st: yes once it was 96% and another time it was 24% that I know of11:00
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kimmoli_sailing_i'm trying this with i2ctool this weekend (unless i decide to go to SRAL camp)11:00
Wntfor me it's no a problem, I have used kimmoli's TOHOLED other half for about a month :)11:01
kimmoli_sailing_and, how is it? i know refreshrate could be higher but?11:03
WntIt's been good!11:04
Wntonly thing I would complain is the proximity sensor's "inactivity" when the phone enters a deep sleep state11:04
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Wntwould be nice if the display would go on / off with logic built in to TOH11:05
kimmoli_sailing_thatis something jolla should fix11:05
kimmoli_sailing_that interrupt gpio doesnt wakeup phone, and they dont export wakeup with the gpio11:06
Wntah, I see11:06
kimmoli_sailing_at least i havent find solution for it11:06
kimmoli_sailing_i use front proximity for that, if display is off, just trigger front prox11:07
Wntthe one I built for my friend has only every other line working in the display's pixels11:07
Wntit worked fine when I got it , then glued it on to the printed other half body and we noticed the problem11:08
kimmoli_sailing_that su*cs11:08
Wntbut it doesn't seem to bother my friend too much as we haven't yet taken it apart and fixed the solder contacts11:08
kimmoli_sailing_it might be in the cog part also11:09
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kimmoli_sailing_you can get replacement oled for few euros11:09
HtheBcan anyone make a screenshot (or a picture) of the "Enter Pin code screen" ?11:09
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pdanekWhat about Jolla in China?11:10
pdanekSuch a big plans, is it on market already? :O11:10
HtheBmy phone is on repair :( and I need it for the Sailfish theme for harmattan11:10
kimmoli_sailing_HtheB: i can, want one?11:10
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tabaskodoes anybody else get reboots when opening apps etc11:11
HtheBkimmoli_sailing_: yes please :)11:12
WntHtheB: http://upload.egarden.fi/20140704141115.jpg11:12
tabaskoif I open mitakuuluu from notifcations phone may reboot and ask pincode. After reboot there is connection problems and I have to take battery out for moment11:13
kimmoli_sailing_now you have 211:13
HtheBkimmoli_sailing_: you've been ninja'd11:13
tabaskokimmoli_sailing_: thats not safe! I can see your pincode due  fingerprints11:14
kimmoli_sailing_oh, damn... so how many numbers i have in my pin?11:14
tabasko411:14
kimmoli_sailing_http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DVVqrE143N411:15
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chem|stKiranos: ok that is really far off, most others I know of have some in between 50-70%, my sister more or less precise 55% in last release and 60% in current.11:20
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HtheBThanks guys!11:21
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HtheBkimmoli_sailing_: can you do me one more favour? :p11:22
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HtheBbefore you get ninja'd again :D hehe11:22
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Kiranosoh chem|st, no mine is seemingly very random11:26
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dr_gogeta86hi guys13:18
dr_gogeta86any fix for msyncd13:18
dr_gogeta86?13:18
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specialdr_gogeta86: fix?13:27
dr_gogeta86cpu hog13:28
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gexc_phonejust tapped 'paste' in fingerterm by accident14:11
gexc_phoneon a root shell14:11
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gexc_phoneglad there was no something like  'rm -rf /' in the clipboard14:12
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EztranDoes Sailfish use the preserve-root thing? If so, that'd still have saved it.14:14
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coderusroot is root in sailfish14:20
coderusyou shouldn;t login as root in most cases14:20
coderususe sudo14:20
gexc_phonehmm...14:21
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Nicd-coderus: I think he meant --no-preserve-root as a flag for the command rm14:22
EztranI did, but in turn I thought that coderus was replying to the previous about having a root shell open :)14:23
Nicd-ah14:24
Nicd-so it was probably me that was confused :)14:24
Eztranno idea. It's pretty good advice in general, though.14:25
gexc_phoneyeah14:25
* gexc_phone used to keep loads of shells open in yakuake, some of which are root ones ;-)14:26
EztranHope you can remember which is which! :)14:26
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gexc_phonerecognizable by color14:27
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tadzikuh. Why doesn't fingerterm's bash source .bashrc? :S14:37
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tadzikah, reported already. good14:38
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* coderus never using root shells14:59
coderusonly in recover mode14:59
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CosmicDuckHi, is it possible to use the gps part without using the installed software from HERE? E.g. is gpsd available instead? I've not checked repos yet but maybe someone knows allready an answer of my question.15:17
tadzikI don't think they're root shells, at least the user is named "nemo"15:18
tadzikCosmicDuck: well, c:geo from android works well for me, so I guess you can15:18
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tadzikthere's also PoorMaps on openrepos warehouse, I think they use gps too15:18
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tadzikheh. When you go into "edit app list" mode, names disappear. To discourage you from sorting them alphabetically, perhaps15:41
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AJAX555I wonder why my jolla has been crashing alot today..16:33
AJAX555and by alot I mean more than 10 times16:33
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suosaaskiAny idea on when the Jolla launcher for Android will be available again?17:28
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Yanielagain?17:43
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messertingHi, I am trying to debug caldav (owncloud) on my Jolla. I have ssh access, but don't know where to find the log to read. Anybody knows?17:49
Yanieldevel-su journalctl17:49
messertingYaniel: Thanks!17:51
AJAX555btw, is there native ssh app yet for jolla?17:53
messertinguhm, what would my devel-su password be?17:53
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Yanielwhatever you set in settings -> developer mode17:54
Yanielthe ssh password17:54
messertingYaniel: ah, thanks again. The auto-generated pw - not strange I didn't succeed :)17:56
messertingA bit strange that this password is displayed in plain text, without need for device lock code to see...17:57
Yanielyou can also set it manually17:57
Yanielthen it won't be shown17:57
pdanekDo you consider the Apple fingerprint reader integrated in button as big innovation?17:58
messertingYep, saw that now17:58
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Yanielpdanek: see thinkpads from the last 5-10 years17:58
Yanielgranted, those weren't integrated into buttons but still17:59
pdanekYaniel: yea, I'm long time ThinkPad user17:59
pdanekYaniel: 6 years on ThinkPad17:59
Yanielcompared to the T9 keyboard back in the day it is a rather small thing17:59
pdanekIn normal fingerprint reader, you need to swype down the reader18:00
pdanekthe button works much better18:00
Yanielthat may be18:00
Yanieland integrating it into the button that you have to press/touch anyway to go to the homescreen is a cool idea18:00
pdanekYaniel: is it so heavily patent protected that other manufacturers can't use it?18:01
pdanekI wonder why other manufacturers don't have it.18:01
Yanielprobably18:01
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pdanekDo you feel that smartphones are getting less and less mobile computers and more toys each year?18:05
pdanekOr not toys, but...18:05
pdanekmore for media?18:05
pdanekAnd less for productivity?18:05
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pdaneknah I don't think so18:06
pdanek:D18:06
Yanielnah18:06
pdanekjust previously, it was only about work & productivity and now everyone has smartphone18:06
pdanekthat's why18:06
Yanieleven for media they have got worse I'd say18:06
pdanekYaniel: how come?18:06
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Yanielwell, to put it a different way18:08
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Yanielthey seem to be mostly meant to be mobile facebook terminals18:08
pdanekright18:09
pdanekI feel all the computing is getting too much simplified.18:10
pdanekBoth software wise and hardware wise.18:10
Yanielyes18:10
Yanielfor media (music, video).. what happened to equalizers and video output?18:11
Yanieland storage18:11
YanielI mean look at the N9518:14
Yanieltake that, and make the media player feature-wise comparable to foobar2k or so18:15
Yanielwith 64GB internal memory + microsd slot18:15
Yanielyou'd have *the* media phone of the year18:15
pdanek:-/18:16
MoritzJTPowerusers unite to whine :D18:16
MoritzJT̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐18:17
MoritzJTCan you properly see these glyphs?18:17
Yanielslide the screen to the other side, work with netflix for some scheming and voila18:17
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Yanielmovies streaming over lte, in hd, straight to your tv/projector18:17
Yanielor over wlan if you have that18:18
MoritzJTYou're not alone!18:18
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pdanekIn the past, computing was ruled by power user demands.18:18
pdanekNow, computing is ruled by mass consumer market.18:19
pdanekIt's never both, one or the other. :/18:19
pdanekBecause people follow other people and trends.18:19
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YanielMoritzJT: http://imagebin.org/31500818:21
Yanielwhat is that even18:21
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MoritzJTYaniel: I meant on Jolla18:22
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Yanielah18:22
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YanielMoritzJT: still, what glyphs are those supposed to be=18:30
Yaniel?18:30
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MoritzJTThey are the iOS Unicode bug triggering ones18:49
pdanekDo you think iPhone brought revolution to the world, but disaster to power users?18:55
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YanielI guess18:57
MoritzJTIt's not only Apple that worked more towards the consumer masses18:58
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ahjolinnaHello: :  I have weird problem when I try to transfer (USB) files from chakra-linux to my Jolla phone... every files goes to my phone except .flac and .mov ....at least those dont work .........I dont know if its libmtp problem or SailfishOs one18:59
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jpnurmiwhat's wrong with incrementing the rpm release number?19:43
jpnurmihttps://harbour.jolla.com/faq#2.17.019:43
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specialjpnurmi: it gets overwritten by OBS rebuilds19:45
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pdanekIf Hitman is real, which phone would he get today? :D20:53
inteahjolinna: MTP-Filetransfer never worked for me in KDE in neither SuSE nor Fedora-linux20:59
intedont know if its kde or the mtp implementation in linux21:00
ahjolinnainte: u need this fix: http://sourceforge.net/p/libmtp/bugs/941/21:01
intei always use ssh/scp for file transfer and that is rock solid21:01
inteahjolinna oh you did some further research21:04
intecool thanks21:04
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intehow is chakra linux btw?21:06
ahjolinnainte: OC, aslo recomend that u also install mtpfs and maybe even jmtpfs21:07
ahjolinnaine: I love it21:07
ahjolinnai have been using it for almost 3 years21:07
intei guess its pretty cool to stay with the most recent kde releases21:08
ahjolinnaand with stable core21:09
intearch linux, right?21:09
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ahjolinnano21:09
intethought so21:09
ahjolinnainte: ChakraOS its pure KDE/Qt distro, it was based on arch, it uses half-rolling release model21:10
ahjolinnahttp://chakraos.org/home/21:10
inteis it the reference distro for KDE?21:11
ahjolinnamore or less yes21:11
intealways thought that was SuSE...21:11
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inteahjolinna and does it support any ACL model by default?21:12
intewellanyways i think i will just check it out soon:)21:13
ahjolinnainte: dont know....sorry...... you can ask #chakra-devel21:14
intei will but first i will test it out:)21:15
ahjolinnainte: if u have the time21:15
intei will just put it on a pendrive21:16
ahjolinnainte: could u vote? :  https://together.jolla.com/question/49504/bug-cant-transfer-flac-files-on-linux-using-mtp/21:19
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FireFlySuggestion: use {scp,sshfs} instead21:23
FireFlyIt works like a charm for me, at least21:23
ahjolinnaFireFly: that's avoiding the issue21:24
FireFlyThat's one way to see it21:24
FireFlyI scp'd stuff to/from my N900, so I'm happy I can keep using the same things I used back then21:24
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intevoted for it but will stay with scp as well:)21:25
FireFlyI agree it should be fixed though, so upvoted21:25
FireFlyI had problems as well when I tried to use mtp, and in general it just seems messy21:26
FireFlynot that it's Jolla's fault that the (I guess?) de-facto standard protocol is messy21:26
intewell jolla neednt have used mtp21:26
FireFlytrue21:27
intei dont see any advance in it...21:27
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intewhat is mtp good for at all?21:28
Nicd-you don't need to unmount the folders from the device when it's connected21:29
Nicd-like you need to when you mount as mass media21:30
intemh ok21:30
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intequite a good reason21:31
M4rtinKalso mass storage forces you to use a different filesystem for the data partition21:31
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M4rtinKas mass storage works on the block layer and you need to export a filesystem that most devices can understands21:31
M4rtinKwhich means FAT32 :P21:32
intenever messed up any of my pen drives by not unmounting before removal:)21:32
inteM4rtinK ok... cool21:33
ahjolinnawhat does N9 use? also mtp? or that what n900 used?21:33
inteok i see there are some advantages21:34
inteits probably only that linux/lsb has still to fix their implementation21:35
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FireFlyN900 used regular mass storage21:36
FireFlywhich sucked actually21:36
FireFlyNot having to have the MyDocs mess is pretty nice21:36
M4rtinKexactly21:37
ahjolinnaand N9?21:37
M4rtinKmass storage is also the reason why older Android devices tell you you can't install more apps21:37
M4rtinKbecause the small "system" partition is full21:37
M4rtinKeven if you have gigabytes free on the "data" partition21:38
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pdanekYounited app exists for 5 different platforms.22:14
pdanekSo clearly it's something portable.22:15
pdanekSo why does it take such a long time to bring it to Jolla? :O22:15
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Yanielespecially since that should not differ much from the linux port22:20
ahjolinnapdanek: for one  everyone is now on vacation here in Finland, and maybe they are working on something extra for jolla version or the sailfish version just takes extra time ....or all of those22:20
pdanekhmm22:21
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M4rtinKI think they just can't get it past Harbour rules so they have to wait like the rest of us :)22:31
Nicd-surely they would get special permission from jolla to release it22:33
Yanielthat was discussed on tjc already22:33
Yanielfor other aps22:33
M4rtinKwell, this was meant as a joke :)22:33
ahjolinnai think younited will be integrated to jolla, not an independent app22:33
Yanielpossible22:33
Yanielthat might also be why it is taking so long22:33
M4rtinKone the other hand there are Jolla devs publishing their (hobby?) apps on OpenRepos :)22:34
Yanielsfos apis not being too stable yet and all22:34
M4rtinKmsammers camera plus & thps Gpodder22:34
M4rtinKsure, I understand those reasons22:34
M4rtinKI was even on the community roundtable on FOSDEM where this was discussed22:35
M4rtinKbut at the same time there is a reality check22:35
Nicd-I'm assuming younited will be first released as an android app22:36
Nicd-based on what jolla people have said earlier22:36
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M4rtinKthat 8 months since release and you still can't submit any GPS using apps to the main application repository22:36
Nicd-M4rtinK: you can22:36
M4rtinKnot mentioning Python apps, SDL apps, etc.22:36
Nicd-halftrail is in the store22:37
Nicd-you just have to use the device through some lower level api or something22:37
M4rtinKsounds more like luck getting though the QA :)22:37
Nicd-no, they explained it didn't use qtpositioning22:38
M4rtinKAFAIK the only API available is QtPositioning, which is considered too unstable for Harbour22:38
Nicd-halftrail accesses geoclue through dbus22:39
Yanielfrom what I've heard there is no such thing as luck when it comes to harbour QA22:39
Yanielat least no good one22:39
Nicd-that's why it's approved22:39
Nicd-M4rtinK: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue/ is available and apparently approved by harbour22:41
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M4rtinKinteresting, that could be usable22:45
M4rtinKneeds a lot of unnecessary work, but would be doable22:45
M4rtinKlooks like it is now even mentioned in the FAQ22:46
M4rtinKwhich is pretty outdated for Python though:22:47
M4rtinKPython 3 / PyOtherSideThese APIs are currently in testing, and will be available for Harbour apps once they land in one of the next updates.22:47
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M4rtinKPython & PyOtherSide has "landed" quite a while ago but it is still not allowed...22:47
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