#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2014-07-08

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intedamed00:00
intei accidentaly erased .config in $home00:00
inteis there anything important in there?00:00
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fennekkiwell00:02
fennekkiWait, this was #jollamobile, nevermind00:03
fennekkiI'll go check, actually00:03
inteI erased it on my Jolla :(00:03
inteok00:03
fennekkiThere seem to be settings here, at least00:03
inteafter reboot, all my folders are gone :(00:04
fennekkias expected00:04
intefirst thing i just noticed00:04
integrmpf took me ages to sort them00:04
inteis that all or do I have to expect some more settings lost?00:05
fennekkiapp order is lost at least00:05
raa70i would go trough settings00:05
fennekkithat's why the folder are gone00:05
intecan you guess what its beeing lost?00:05
fennekkiAt least the following apps seem to store stuff here00:05
fennekkiHungermeter, Friends, Meecast, Sailbox00:05
raa70ambienced.conf connectionagent.conf00:06
inteoh wow00:06
fennekkiSome connnection settings might be gone00:06
intethanks00:06
intesounds like some work00:06
fennekkiyour phone call times are lost00:06
fennekkilike00:06
inteprobably most of the apps store their config there00:06
fennekkilike the amount you've spoken00:06
inteok thats a minor problem at least :)00:07
neosisaniis that a folder or a file?00:07
fennekkiMitäkuuluu settings might be gone too, though they disappear all the time anyway00:07
fennekkiand if any apps have installed systemd services per-user those are gone00:08
fennekkiyour account database might be gone00:08
intemh00:08
intemmh00:08
inteif id run a restore from the regular backup it might help00:09
fennekkiprobably00:09
intei had a look in .vault but didnt find .config in there00:09
inteill try00:09
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MoritzJTGood luck00:12
intethanks :)00:12
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MoritzJTDeletion of critical structures should come with a warning flag incorporated in the file system imo00:19
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MoritzJTmsg NickServ identify hunter200:24
fennekkiwell00:24
fennekkithat went well, apparently00:24
MoritzJThorribly failed00:25
Cal-Drone:)00:25
MoritzJTwell -.-00:25
MoritzJTHate VKBs00:25
fennekkiI just have an alias for that00:25
fennekkiso if I ever happen to say "identify" here that's what I'm doing00:25
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MoritzJTnice, but I'm stuck with irc on sailfish00:31
fennekkiirc on sailfish00:32
fennekki?00:32
fennekkiI just use irssi00:32
fennekkiI mean, I have it on a remote shell00:32
fennekkibut still00:33
fennekkiI think there's irssi binaries for Jolla?00:33
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intelol00:41
MoritzJTWill investigate :-)00:41
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inteMoritzJT: I think if you configure your irc client to use your nickname and passwd as sasl login you neednt do a manual nickname change anymore00:42
intei had that working once (with konversion)00:42
MoritzJTI did. This happens after losing the connection and my nick is locked00:43
intehavent tried with sailfish irc yet but i dont see why it wouldnt work00:43
MoritzJTit does00:43
inteah00:43
MoritzJTbut once a connection is lost, bam00:43
inteok00:43
intei have an irc proxy installed on my fritzbox00:43
intehelps a lot :)00:43
inteapart from that it doesnt support sasl but thats another story00:44
inteit executes the nickname command for me00:44
MoritzJTshould do that on my router too00:44
MoritzJTtplink soon to sport openwrt00:44
MoritzJTthen owncloud00:44
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MoritzJTtake care sailors00:45
MoritzJTgn800:45
integn8!00:45
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dr_gogeta86good morning guys08:10
Stskeepsmorn08:10
dr_gogeta86finished to frack up with dual baseband phones ?08:10
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Stskeepsreferring to nokia xl, or?08:10
dr_gogeta86i say in general08:11
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Stskeepshaven't really had the need so far.. i do have a dual sim nokia xl here though08:11
dr_gogeta86near me I got a mer-hybris phone with a qcom with dual baseband08:11
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dr_gogeta86if you wanna destroy also this ...08:11
dr_gogeta86for now I'm happy with jolla launcher08:12
dr_gogeta86but native rocks :-D08:12
Stskeepshehe08:12
dr_gogeta86altough this got the same resolution of J-phone08:12
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* tbr has a Nokia-X and isn't particularly impressed by its UI performance08:19
Stskeepsi'm kind of tempted to sailfish it08:20
* tbr too08:20
tbrlet me know if you need help. I might be persuaded08:20
Stskeepsi have a nokia xl but i suppose they're not that different08:21
tbrsame difference, yours might have more RAM08:21
Stskeepsnod08:21
tbrto keep me otherwise busy I just "ordered" a free gallileo via MSFT08:22
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tbrI'm equal opportunity and want to give their IoT offering a go, for a couple of days, before I give in and install Linux08:23
tbrhttp://windowsondevices.com/ if anyone else wants one08:23
Stskeepshrrmm08:24
Stskeepshow did you get a free galileo08:24
tbryou sing up, get an email and give them your shipping address08:24
Stskeepsoh08:25
tbrsupposedly in the near future a galileo will arrive on my doorstep...08:25
Nicd-they failed their checkbox labels. the text is clickable but does nothing :P08:25
tbrI'm genuinely curious to see what MSFT defines as IoT08:25
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tbrespecially after their definition of IoT also fits to netbooks (the smaller ones <9" lcd)08:26
* Stskeeps signs up.. :P08:29
pphehe08:29
mekluwat08:30
mekluwindows on SoC?08:30
mekluwhat is this nonsense08:30
tbrmeklu: a) it's intel b) wince and all that (nowadays RT)08:31
Nicd-next someone's going to suggest Windows on a phone08:31
tbralthough this can't be RT as RT seems to be ARM only08:31
Stskeepstbr: planning on using it for your internet of toilets project?08:31
Stskeeps:P08:31
meklubut... still08:31
tbrStskeeps: befitting, wouldn't it be?08:31
tadzikthat sounds awesome08:31
Stskeepstbr: there's some perverted justice in putting windows in the toilet..08:32
Stskeeps;)08:32
Anarkytbr, Stskeeps: you received the email instantly?08:33
StskeepsAnarky: pretty much08:33
tbrAnarky: yes08:33
AnarkyI applied yesterday but still nothing :/08:33
Anarky(I'm not in the US though)08:33
Stskeepsneither, poland08:33
Anarkywell that's strange08:33
meklu"Use Azure data services"08:34
tbr.fi here08:34
mekluso, a board to interface with Linux VMs on Azure08:34
tbrAnarky: try a different email address?08:34
ppI signed up too :D08:35
ppmight play for it for a few days and then do something useful with the board like install linux on it08:35
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Anarkytbr: ok, so hotmail.com doesn't work but gmail.com works :)08:38
Stskeepsi think they know that if you are using hotmail, they're not the kind of people they're looking for..08:39
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Anarkybut it's from Microsoft too ^^08:40
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meklu"You can recover from Microsoft and its suppliers only direct damages up to U.S. $5.00."08:42
mekluPriceless.08:42
mekluFive bucks and a board? Great.08:42
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tbrAnarky: actually I know someone with an hotmail address who got one08:43
FireFlyNo, not priceless. About $5 actually08:43
Stskeepsnews sometimes.. it's like 25-30 C outside ; and the only news to report from traffic is that one tram has air condition on full speed and some passengers are cold..08:43
* tbr wonders if he'll have to pay import duties on the board or if they will ship from within europe08:43
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mekluIf you haven't paid for it, do you even need to pay for that?08:44
Stskeepsthere's usually a stated value08:44
tbreven gifts may qualify08:44
mekluah, right08:44
tbrbut IANAL, YMMV08:44
Stskeepsas long as i don't have to deal with DHL's import systems..08:44
ppthey probably ship from a tax haven :D08:44
tbrwhen MSFT sent me my free NokiaX they actually sent it via DHL, but on INCOTERMs DDP. That was _very_ nice.08:45
mekluas long as they use actual mail rather than UPS/FedEx/what-have-you08:45
tbrDHL called me and went out of their way to arrange things and mentioned twice that I don't have to pay anything.08:45
mekluoh08:46
meklusounds pretty good08:46
tbrwell that's DDP for you08:46
Stskeepsincoterms is one of those things i've found valuable to know about..08:46
* tbr high-fives Stskeeps, same here08:47
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FireFlyStskeeps: the heck.. I'd be happy if it was "too cold" on the tram08:52
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msavaHello! This might be redundant but I figured I should ask anyway. Is jolla (Saapunki) cryptsetup ready?09:45
tbrwhat is "cryptsetup ready"?09:46
msavaHas anyone tried to encrypt the sdcard so far? I'm looking for some feedback09:46
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msavais cryptsetup ready for general use or does it require further development09:47
specialmsava: one way to find out? ;)09:47
tbrhardware runs software, film at 1109:47
specialI can't imagine there are problems with cryptsetup on data cards09:48
specialobviously cryptsetup for the OS won't work at this point09:48
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tbr"pkcon search name crypt" returns "Available   cryptsetup-luks-1.1.3-1.1.2.armv7hl     A utility for setting up encrypted filesystems09:48
msavaI'm only considering encrypting the sdcard09:48
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tbrobviously you'll have to do the decrypting and mounting manually09:49
msavaindeed09:49
specialI wonder if systemd's encrypted disk stuff is working09:49
specialat least on desktops, it handles the devices and cryptsetup for drives in /etc/crypttab, and offers a nice API for writing credentials UIs.09:50
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Stskeepstbr: my main pondering if to go for a 4.4 base where many things aren't guaranteed to work; or something closer to jolla device stack (the existing system)10:22
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ln-is it expected behavior that the volume buttons have no effect on the volume of a game?10:36
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tbrStskeeps: well, I don't know your strategy, but I guess it will depend if you want to broaden 4.2 based device porting or enable more 4.4 porting. Valid arguments can be made for both.10:44
tbrStskeeps: personally I wouldn't mind to put HADK to more testing and that's 4.2, isn't it?10:44
Stskeeps4.1.2..10:46
Stskeeps:P10:46
Stskeepsas in10:47
Stskeepsthe nokia x is 4.1.2 based10:47
tbrwell, sounds like a good "will this also work with HADK" exercise then10:47
Stskeepswhich is close to being equal to the plague when it comes to stuff like cyanogenmod .. :P10:48
Stskeepsbut10:48
Stskeepsshould work, we have the patches we did on jolla10:48
tbrif you are aiming for hobbyist adoption, then 4.1 and 4.2 make more sense. Cheap targets and all that.10:48
Stskeepsyes10:49
Stskeepscm10 = 4.2 at least10:49
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* lainwir3d also signed up for getting a free gallileo10:57
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dr_gogeta86any sailor11:17
dr_gogeta86battery stress test fail11:17
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phdeswerdr_gogeta86: you mean internal resistance fail?11:18
dr_gogeta86now i'm doing discharging test11:18
dr_gogeta86i'm using internal test tools11:18
dr_gogeta86csd11:19
phdeswercan't remember those tests.11:19
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phdeswerdr_gogeta86: I don't have a stress test in csd. resistance and discharging tests yes11:23
dr_gogeta86resistance is a stress test11:23
dr_gogeta86dims you phone lcd11:23
phdeswerIt is not a stress test at all. Display only dims due to screen timeout.11:24
phdeswerAnyway if that fails usually cleaning up your battery contacts fixes it11:24
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narchieanyone have an extra jolla for me when my phone goes into repair11:27
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narchieask a man whose jolla just crashed for the 8th time today11:42
narchieanything11:43
mekluWhy do you hate freedom, you communist?11:43
meklu/s11:44
Accewhy do you hate communism, you freedomnist?11:44
Stskeeps.. well that went south quickly11:45
* tbr-fi went north instead11:46
mekluand here I thought communism was a thing of the north11:46
* inte just learned about sshfs and finds it really cool to connect and sync the files on his jolla11:46
Aciidinte: great way to lose a lot of data11:46
Aciidjust like raid 0 xD11:47
inteAciid: why?11:47
meklursync is great11:47
* narchie puts jolla into raid011:47
tbr-fi<3 rsync over ssh11:47
mekluI wouldn't trust an actual filesystem wrapper...11:47
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inteyou could use rsync through sshfs11:47
Aciidwhat meklu said11:47
meklu"hey, here's a connection that is a filesystem!"11:47
intemeklu: its sftp eventually11:47
Aciidsshfs doesn't conclude checks11:47
meklu"What could POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!"11:47
mornfalldid anyone else just get a bogus "use your preorder voucher" mail from jolla?11:47
Aciidit just transfers shit and goes like "done that next"11:48
MoritzJTMaybe11:48
Aciid"maybe"11:48
Aciid:D11:48
narchieuse mongodb11:48
mekluit's web-scale11:48
mekluand has map reduce11:48
Aciidmongodb is not webscale anymore, we need to use mysql entterpirses11:49
meklumap reduce is the secret sauce that webscales your rubynode stack11:49
pdanekIs Qt doing better under Digia than Nokia?11:49
mekluWebsqaleSQL is a thing11:49
AciidI put ruby into my nodejs to make it webscale11:49
Aciidpdanek: it has become a business more sorta with Digia11:49
narchiehow mapreduce helped our J2EE to reach webscale11:49
pdanekthat's good11:50
intewhats the point if I still rund a diff afterwards11:50
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Aciidnarchie: I think you need to insert some JBOSS servers with IBM scalar, hadooping your way into postgresish rabbitmq11:54
* Stskeeps twitches11:55
mornfallI'm at a loss here.11:55
narchiethanks Aciid11:55
Aciidanytime friend11:55
mornfallanyone know what is this "pre-order voucher"?11:55
Stskeepsmornfall: i'm presuming they mean the thing that some people booked a 100 eur or something origianlly11:56
Stskeepsfor the preorders11:56
Stskeepsi don't know the details, i used 0 EUR myself11:56
mornfallStskeeps: right, but I already have the phone11:56
Nicd-did you use the voucher when you bought it?11:56
mornfallNicd-: I thought I did. :D11:56
mornfallI do have a "first one" cover for one...11:56
Nicd-mornfall: how much did you pay for it when you bought it? :P11:57
mornfallI'll have to find out. :P11:57
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mornfall€31411:59
mornfallbut the voucher code seems to actually work in shop.jolla.com12:00
mornfallsounds like a bug?12:00
mornfallI certainly don't remember making 2 preorders...12:00
Bysmyyrmornfall: check you account for that preorder?12:00
Nicd-maybe they forgot to mark your voucher used12:00
Nicd-and are now emailing people who didn't use them12:01
mekluawwyiss, my lastucase has shipped12:01
mekluor rather, has entered shipping and will probably be here within a couple of days12:02
mornfallBysmyyr: there aren't any12:02
mornfallBysmyyr: it only has the actual order12:02
Bysmyyrmornfall: I mean bank account or credit card...12:02
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mornfallNicd-: how could they forget to do that? :-) I'd sort of expect the software to do it...12:02
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Stskeepsall sw has bugs12:03
Stskeeps:P12:03
mornfallwell, I'm sort of tempted to actually use it12:03
mornfallgrand total €26412:03
mornfallthe mail says they'll send me another first one cover if I don't use the voucher :P12:04
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mornfallmaybe my wife wants a jolla too...12:07
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mornfallI actually already complained about this to care@ in December when I got a similar mail...12:10
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mekluthey want you to be a good customer and buy more product12:14
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CosmicDuckHi, can I change my ringtone and how can I use a different one e.g. ogg or mp3 one?12:26
BysmyyrCosmicDuck: yes, if you do not use TOH ambiances12:26
CosmicDucksorry, found the setting ;-)12:26
Bysmyyrand what I just said is changed12:27
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CosmicDuckhmm, can I changed my background pictures?12:49
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rkzdoes the jolla support the i2c-dev linux kernel module?12:50
inteCosmicDuck: Ambience?12:50
BysmyyrCosmicDuck: you have to create new ambiance12:50
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coderusrkz: ask kimmoli13:27
rkzyeah i saw kimmoli made a i2c sailfish app13:27
rkzbut provided that the jolla has i2c-dev module, then i see no reason why the i2c-tools command line shouldnt work like it does on things like the raspberry pi13:28
coderusCosmicDuck: in gallery you choose picture and use pull down menu and selet create ambiance. and when yuo on lockscreen you can swipe it to left or right to open ambience menu and you can fast change between ambiences. Also in gallery you can set ambiencces you want to see in that page.13:29
kimmolirkz: you mean this? http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/I2CTools13:30
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rkzyeah thats the one13:30
rkzmodprobe doesnt seem to bring anything up for i2c-dev though13:32
kimmoliat least it built on phone13:32
rkzyeah i was about to give it a crack myself13:35
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kimmoliseems to work, i2cget 1 80 0 b did return 0x4b which is the first byte in my eeprom13:36
rkzawesome, i was hoping it would13:36
kimmolibut, meh, those tools are ...13:37
kimmolibut they work :)13:38
kimmolii usually find it easier to write my own hw-interfacing stuff than trying to understand what someone else has coded13:42
rkzyeah fai enough, thanks for helping anyway13:47
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tadzikhm, Jolla can't connect to an ad-hoc wifi?13:56
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tadzikand it randomly can't find any wifi around, wtf13:57
coderustadzik: like android :)13:58
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tadzikheh, I didn't buy a Jolla to have an android-like experience :P13:59
tadzikI wonder if I can convince it connect with iwconfig magic13:59
tadzikeh, scanning doesn't even show it14:00
Stskeepsno ad-hoc support14:00
tadzikdoes connecting it through the usb cable require some special wizardry?14:01
Nicd-what OS?14:01
tadziksome ubuntu14:02
Nicd-was plug and play on mine14:03
lainwir3ddepends on what you mean by "connecting through"14:03
Nicd-the phone even has a dhcp server now so you'll get an ip for your computer14:03
lainwir3dif you mean usb network tethering then yeah, it needs some magi c14:03
tadzikoh, I mean the other way aroung14:04
tadzikprobably need to set routing on one end and ip forwarding on the other14:04
lainwir3dyeah14:04
lainwir3dand maskerading14:05
lainwir3dmasquerading*14:05
tadzikwhat's the password for devel-su?14:05
tadzikoh, the one I set for ssh worked14:06
lainwir3dthe one you set when you enable developer mode14:06
tadzikyay, that worked14:09
tadziksort of. I can ping 8.8.8.8, but not jolla.com, even if I set dnses in resolv.conf14:12
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MoritzJTStskeeps: Ad-Hoc impossible or just no gui? Will it come?14:14
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Stskeepsconnman people hate adhoc14:14
Stskeepsalso14:14
Stskeepswe have wifi ap14:14
tadzikwhat is this dns sorcery :o14:15
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Nicd-tadzik: maybe you need to restart something network related for it to take effect14:16
dr_gogeta86https://01.org/connman/blogs/pflykt/2014/connman-1.2414:17
dr_gogeta86smells like jolla contribution :-D14:17
tbrad-hoc wifi is "special" anyway and there are no good usecases for it nowadays, in the way it was designed. IMHO14:17
tbrdr_gogeta86: well at least the last name should be immediately obvious...14:18
dr_gogeta86ahhahahah14:18
tbralso Jolla is explicitly credited14:18
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dr_gogeta86but till now ... connman got problems14:19
dr_gogeta86:-(14:19
dr_gogeta86is slow14:19
tadzikNicd-: maybe. I've no idea what it is though :/14:20
tadzikoh. google.com works, jolla.com doesn't14:20
tadzikgoogle dns being stupid? :/14:20
tadzikno, jolla.com doesn't work even on opendns14:22
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tadzikwhatever, I'll just wait until I'm in wifi range14:23
Nicd-"nslookup jolla.com 8.8.8.8" works just fine for me14:23
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ggabriel?14:25
ggabrieljolla.com works14:25
ggabrielalso, use 4.2.2.2 :P14:25
tadzikdoesn't work on my device though14:25
ggabrielnetwork problem?14:26
tadzikno, google.com and other sites work14:26
tadzikw/e14:26
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ggabrielthat doesn't mean it isn't a network problem14:26
ggabrielmaybe the route to jolla is down or something14:26
ggabrielfwiw, it works for me14:27
Nicd-ggabriel: you shouldn't use 4.2.2.2 if you're not a Level 3 customer14:27
ggabrielNicd-: why? :P14:27
ggabrieltadzik: this is the IP I get for jolla.com: 54.194.33.14614:27
Nicd-ggabriel: http://briandagan.com/warning-dont-use-4222-for-public-dns-use-888814:28
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ggabrielNicd-: i haven't found that in practice14:29
ggabrielalso, 8.8.8.8 == google14:29
ggabriel(so is 8.8.4.4)14:29
* ggabriel doesn't like google14:29
Nicd-as if another US company was any better14:30
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ggabrielno, but i don't have another alternative for secondary14:30
entilprobably doesn't even matter where the company operates as long as they have operations or hosting or anything in the US14:30
ggabrieland 4.2.2.2 works pretty well, even updating faster than google's sometimes14:30
ggabrielhappy to memorise an easy EU one14:30
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intehow can I get rid of my .vault folder?14:40
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giucamwhy do you want to delete it?14:41
intebecause its almost 2gig and im running out of space14:41
giucamwell, if you delete the snapshots you don't need anymore it should free up some space14:42
intehow do i do that?14:42
giucamfrom the backup page14:42
giucamin settings14:43
inteok then14:43
inteI will just copy my most recent backups to sd14:44
inteand then14:44
intedelete them on the phone14:44
inteim curious how much space that will free14:44
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intesorry in advance for flooding, but this is my root fs14:48
ggabrielpastebin?14:49
inte1,2G    /usr14:49
inte3,5G    /home14:49
inte3,8G    /data14:49
inte4,0M    /sbin14:49
inte4,5M    /media14:49
inte5,7M    /bin14:49
inte11M     /run14:49
inte12M     /etc14:49
inte23M     /lib14:49
inte26M     /root14:49
inte45M     /firmware14:49
inte66M     /var14:49
inte71M     /boot14:49
inte108M    /system14:49
inte386M    /opt14:49
inteoh14:49
inteyeah14:49
intetoo late :)14:49
intewhere should I start freeing?14:49
deztructorinte: giucam deleting snapshots will not free space. inte: you can copy backup storage to sd from backup page and after it you can execute "rm /home/nemo/.vault -rf" on your phone (be careful to delete exactly this folder)14:50
intethere actually is not too much data in /home as the backups alone make 1,7gig already14:50
intedeztructor: i will thanks14:50
intebut is there anything else i could delete?14:50
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inteor14:51
inteis there anything in my rootdir of unusual (big) size?14:51
tbrSailfish community meeting in 10min in #mer-meeting!14:51
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Nicd-inte: it's still not doing the rebalance?14:52
inteNicd-: it did but Im not really happy with that14:53
inte Total devices 1 FS bytes used 9.65GB14:53
inte        devid    1 size 13.75GB used 13.25GB path /dev/mmcblk0p2814:53
intefs will be full again shortly I dare14:53
Nicd-I wouldn't delete anything outside /home at least14:54
Nicd-one option is to just reset the phone14:54
deztructorinte: I recommend you to install "Space inspector" from the Jolla store14:54
intedeztructor: thats how I found .vault at all14:55
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intebackup to sdcard wouldn't work15:38
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inteits ext415:38
inteshould it be fat32?15:38
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stephginte: don't think the FS matters as long as it's understood, I expect it's permissions15:39
intehow would i change those?15:39
Bysmyyrinte: is it mounted to same place as automount do or is it fixed?15:39
inteautomount15:39
Bysmyyrok15:39
intedev/mmcblk1    15G  166M   14G   2% /media/sdcard/56cdbc9f-9fcf-465b-ada5-3c84a9a8490e15:40
intedev/mmcblk1 on /media/sdcard/56cdbc9f-9fcf-465b-ada5-3c84a9a8490e type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,dirsync,data=ordered)15:40
inte[n15:40
inteoh15:41
intepermissions?15:41
stephgjust out of interest, does it work if you chown nemo:nemo /media/sdcard/56cdbc9f-9fcf-465b-ada5-3c84a9a8490e15:41
intei couldnt even touch /media/sdcard/blablaba/newfile15:42
intepermission denied15:42
inteas nemo15:42
interoot can do that15:42
inteso my permissions are obviously broken15:42
stephgsorry that's what I mean15:42
stephgeither as root or with devel-su -c infront of it15:42
stephgthat's what the ownership is on mine but I don't remember if I set that or if the jolla did15:43
intenow its working, thanks15:43
intehope it will be persistent after reboot15:43
stephgit will be15:44
intestrange its broken by default15:44
stephgwell if you created it it will be root owned by default15:45
inteanyway i have to say that i had to reformat the sdcard as root before i could use it as the partition table was broken15:45
intehowever, the only way i could do that was to do that as root15:45
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intei should probably have manually unmount the sdcard hand should have deleted the /sdcard/56xxx subdir15:46
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inteprobably the Jolla would have created it again after reboot with correct ownerships15:46
inteanyways15:47
intei'm happy now15:47
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inteso the backup.tar which is currently created contains all my former backups?15:47
stephgpass15:48
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intestephg: it does16:00
intejust doublechecked16:00
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inteI'm now with16:12
inteTotal devices 1 FS bytes used 8.06GB16:12
inte        devid    1 size 13.75GB used 11.77GB path /dev/mmcblk0p2816:12
intei guess that should work for the beginning16:12
inte??16:13
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Sceltupdate?17:50
kimmoliF5 ?17:51
Sceltmaybe I should.check.with tcpdump where the updte checker connects and then make a perl script.to.poll it every 3 seconds17:52
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CosmicDuckis there allready an odb2 tool available?18:01
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inteCosmicDuck: i would want that as well!!18:11
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inteauthentication failed (is ssu set up correctly?)18:56
intewhat does that mean again?18:56
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specialinte: what is it from?18:59
intewarehouse19:00
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iSanttuHello how i can get kik messenger work for jolla?19:02
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coderusinte: did you touched SSU button in developer mode settings?19:17
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Nicd-seems messageserver5 has taken all of my memory again :/19:31
fennekkiNicd-: for me that seems to happen when some other program starts consuming memory19:31
Nicd-memory and swap are completely full, apps are getting killed constantly19:31
fennekkikilling messageserver5 seems to make it reboot with negligible side effects (ie. I've never noticed any) but I doubt it's safe19:32
fennekkirestart*19:32
fennekkinot reboot, the system stays up fine19:32
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kimmoliharbour-validated rpm, and did get very strange issues... accidentally validated debuginfo rpm19:37
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iSanttuit is possible get working kik messenger for jolla?19:59
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intecoderus didnt do anythign like that20:02
intedeveloper mode is enabled, though20:02
coderusinte: show [ssu fl] output20:03
intejust a second20:04
intejust reactived dev mode20:04
intetakes some time20:04
inteand soccer is on TV :)20:04
coderuswhy reactivated? :D20:04
intei deleted .config yesterday20:05
coderusbut why? :)20:05
intewanted to delete .cache and tabed-return too early grrr20:05
intethat broke several settings20:05
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intejust to make sure :)20:05
cousin_luigiGreetings.20:05
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cousin_luigiCan sailfishos be installed on devices other than jolla phones?20:06
raa70yes20:06
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intereactivated=disabled and reenabled20:06
cousin_luigiraa70: Where can I find a list of the supported devices?20:08
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intecoderus: Device flavour is currently: release20:18
Nicd-cousin_luigi: here's a list of work in progress android ports: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris20:19
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Nicd-cousin_luigi: there are also community builds for the N9 I think20:19
Nicd-(Nokia N9 that is)20:19
intecoderus: maybe there is something broken in the warehouse repos for the moment? Does it currently work for you?20:19
stephgcurrently images are only available for the nexus 420:19
* inte reinstalled warehouse aleady20:19
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stephgthe nokia n9 image is stuck at 1.0.2.5 irrc20:19
cousin_luigiNicd-: a tad old20:19
Nicd-cousin_luigi?20:20
cousin_luigiand the nexus 4 is more expensive than jolla phone:)20:20
cousin_luigiNicd-: I mean the n920:20
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Nicd-yep, but many geeks love it20:20
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NokiusHi guys is there any way to get my Jolla back from Device Lock if the code is typed in wrong ?20:20
Nicd-Nokius: you typed wrong too many times?20:21
NokiusNicd-: yes20:21
cousin_luigiNicd-: I'll see if I can find a good price for it.20:21
Nicd-Nokius: there was a trick if you still have SSH connectivity20:21
NokiusNicd-: :O20:21
Nicd-cousin_luigi: note that the N9 build is a community build so not supported20:21
Nicd-and probably quite buggy20:21
cousin_luigi:|20:22
intewow:)20:22
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coderusinte: ssu fl sales; ssu re;20:23
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coderusinte: openrepos is always working ::)20:24
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intenow it says20:25
inteDevice release is currently: latest20:25
intewow i think everybody hates Germany now20:25
coderusssu up20:25
inteDevice is not registered, can't update credentials20:26
intewtf20:26
coderusand now you can update repositories in warehouse20:26
coderusits okay20:26
intei can install from harbor, though20:26
coderusjust go to warehouse now and enjoy20:26
FireFlyYou're not supposed to register with the developer thingies I think20:26
Nicd-inte: maybe just the brazilians20:26
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inteNicd-: not sure :)20:26
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coderusinte: if not, do pkcon install zypper20:27
coderusdevel-su20:27
coderuszypper ref20:27
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Nicd-inte: why would others hate them? they're playing clean, they're just better (so far)20:27
intecan i do that from pkcon as well20:27
Nicd-why would you hate a team for winning?20:27
inteNicd-: sure:)20:27
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NokiusNicd-: :( uh the USH Dev mode tells me first to unlock to connect :(20:28
inteNicd-: a friend of mine is in the stadium I'm curious what he will tell20:28
Nicd-USH? you mean SSH?20:28
inteyeahhhh20:29
intelol20:29
coderusinte: zypper will show more actual output than pkcon20:29
NokiusNicd-: USB20:29
intecoderus: but doesnt it break harbor?20:29
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coderusof course no :D20:29
coderusits just application :D20:29
interead it once20:29
intecoderus: could not find zypper20:31
intessu up is not working20:31
inteno credentials20:31
Nicd-inte: need to install zypper first with pkcon...20:31
intep20:32
intekcon install zypper20:32
inteAusführung des Befehls fehlgeschlagen: Dieses Werkzeug konnte keine verfügbaren Pakete finden: could not find zypper20:32
integerman error message *sorry*20:32
M4rtinKnice bilingual response :)20:32
intepkcon obviously cant find zypper20:32
inteM4rtinK: german local in terminal20:32
M4rtinKsure, but I mean the "could not find zypper" at the end20:33
NokiusNicd-: so I have now a non functional device20:33
NokiusM4rtinK: ^^20:33
NokiusNicd-: is there any failsaife mode20:34
NokiusNicd-: :-/20:34
Nicd-Nokius: if you cannot get in with SSH, there is no way to recover it I'm afraid20:35
Nicd-you'll have to send it to Jolla20:35
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NokiusNicd-: :(20:35
Nicd-that is the point of the lock code, so people cannot get to your data20:35
inteor your device...20:36
Nicd-or alternatively sell your device to another person (if they could reset it)20:36
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iSanttuhow i get kik messenget working on jolla ?20:36
intebut isnt it possible to just reflash it?20:36
Nicd-inte: there are no tools for that20:36
Nicd-only Jolla have them currently20:36
NokiusNicd-: good to now thats realy lock the phone :D unlike the other wich still talk about killswitch :D20:36
M4rtinKinte: with what ? ;-)20:36
iSanttuanyone know?20:37
Nicd-even if there were, the phone could probably prevent their flashing20:37
intethought that could be possible with the nokia flasher20:37
inteworked for N9 and N90020:37
intedidn't know20:37
iSanttu?:320:37
Nicd-well, you need to connect to the device to flash it, the device could refuse at that point20:37
M4rtinKwell, I still thing the current implementation is just a nasty workaround for using a proper encryption for sensitive data20:38
Nicd-iSanttu: please don't repeat. if someone knows and wants to help you, they'll say something20:38
M4rtinKwith many brutal side effects20:38
iSanttuokay20:38
intecoderus: any idea regarding my problem?20:38
NokiusM4rtinK: yes true point20:38
intecant install zypper20:38
M4rtinKBTW, the data is still there, any determined enough attack will get it20:39
M4rtinKunlike if it was actually encrypted20:39
Nokiusinte: guess you need a repo | but cant check it my Jolla is locked :P20:39
NokiusM4rtinK: yes20:39
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NokiusNow the new Funky TOH wih the switch coute help me to activate wifi :P20:41
bennypr0faneHi, does anyone know if we're actually due for another update this month?20:41
M4rtinKIIRC yes20:41
Nicd-bennypr0fane: yes20:41
bennypr0faneI saw it announced on Jollausers, but didn't see anyhting else about it20:41
bennypr0faneanyone got a link?20:42
pdanekDo you think that some large companies intentionally do not release devices and software with full potential, only to save some "goals" for future to show continuous development?20:42
Nicd-bennypr0fane: http://www.thejollablog.com/jolla-announces-sailfish-os-update-8-come-july/20:42
M4rtinKpdanek: I don't think so20:43
M4rtinKpdanek: first to market counts a lot20:44
Nicd-pdanek: well, they do release hardware which they deliberately make worse already :P20:44
M4rtinKpdanek: and it is normal to release unfinished crap to meet the device release deadline20:45
pdanekNicd-: For what reason?20:45
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M4rtinKpdanek: so they always have enough place to show continuous development :)20:45
Nicd-pdanek: they sell it as a cheaper model. it's cheaper overall to make just one model and then disable some parts to sell cheaper20:45
M4rtinKoh, right20:46
pdanekhmmm20:46
M4rtinKIntel style20:46
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M4rtinKwell, sometimes the parts are actually faulty so they are sold as lower models, but sometimes the do cripple them intentionally20:46
M4rtinKalso often it is even just a software limitation20:47
pdanekinteresting20:47
pdanekBecause if you look at handhelds from 20 years ago.20:48
pdanekI feel it was all top notch HW quality.20:48
M4rtinKrelated is also the "we already have your money, so go FXXK yourself" practice of dropping support (driver updates, OS updates) for perfectly fine hardware20:48
pdanekWhile today, you buy Samsung GS3 and you feel it's a toy.20:48
pdanekhm20:48
M4rtinKdifferent target group I guess20:49
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M4rtinKPDAs were often targeted to business users20:49
pdanekyeah, you're right20:49
bennypr0fanedoes anyone have the random reboots problem turned up only recently? I never used to have that, now it keeps doing that. There is a large thread at TJC, but it doesn't seem like a clear-cut case20:50
M4rtinKbut even the lower-end Palms (Zire & co) were quite robust20:50
Nicd-bennypr0fane: they have been there for a long time20:50
Nicd-since january at least20:50
Quudecember.20:50
inteOk guys I think I know what it is. I accidentaly erased .config yesterday20:50
Nokiusthanks for help so far enjoy the night20:50
bennypr0fanebut what do people do about it? Has some sort of standard solution emerged?20:51
intei (obviously only tried) to re-register my device today20:51
Quubennypr0fane: nothing, contact care or suffer20:51
intewhich doesnt seem to work20:51
intehow can i register my device?20:51
Nicd-bennypr0fane: the usual trick is the paper trick20:52
pdanekM4rtinK: Do you think that majority of business users of today are quite different than 20 years ago?20:52
pdanekLike you give shitty plastic phone to manager today and he will be fine with that>20:52
pdanekWhere you would give the same shitty plastic phone (just lower specs, speaking of built quality) to manager 20 years ago and he would be like: wtf is that?20:52
Nicd-or sending to jolla service20:52
bennypr0faneI thought whoever ran into the random reboots had that from the start of using the device20:52
bennypr0fanehum...20:52
M4rtinKpdanek: no, I mean that the current smartphones are not targeted primarily on business users20:52
Nicd-my reboots started in february and then again in april20:53
M4rtinKpdanek: they are consumer devices, so lower quality20:53
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pdanekM4rtinK: I know what you meant, but the area of "business devices" is disappearing and consumer devices are used for business.20:53
pdanekSo I gave off-topic question. :)20:53
pdanekThinking... are our built quality expectation getting lower over time?20:54
M4rtinKwell, the Thinkpad line is still holding the line :)20:54
M4rtinKthere is a big build qality difference20:54
pdanekI'm long-time ThinkPad user and every new model is more shitty built quality.20:54
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M4rtinKconsumer laptops are pretty shitty in comparison - they war easily and every single one brutally overheats with any sustained 3D processing20:55
M4rtinKwar -> warp20:55
M4rtinKwell yeah, the very latest thinkpads look like a step in the wrong direction20:56
M4rtinKfrom what I've heard the keyboard layout is horrendous, the clickpad that moves up and down about a millimeter and lacks normal buttons is unusable and they miss a hardware battery indicator20:57
M4rtinKindeed looks like an attempt on cutting costs20:57
M4rtinKbut my T520 is still rock solid20:58
M4rtinKand even those new thinkpads are still better than 95% of the rest...20:58
pdanekI had T61, T410 and T430, and the built quality goes down, T61 was best, like a tank, T430 worst of those 3.20:58
pdanek+ I was able to test older T40 etc... and they were even far better than T61.20:59
pdanekYea, and the new keyboards on ThinkPads, are just worse.21:00
pdanekKeyboard, the best part of ThinkPad series and they fuck it up.21:01
coderusinte: show zypper ref output21:01
intecoderus i cant install zypper21:01
pdanekStill, if I have to choose new laptop, I will go with ThinkPad again, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.21:01
coderusinte: pkcon install zypper21:02
inte[root@Jolla nemo]# pkcon install zypper21:02
inteAusführung des Befehls fehlgeschlagen: Dieses Werkzeug konnte keine verfügbaren Pakete finden: could not find zypper21:02
inte[21:02
specialssu ar mer-tools21:02
intespecial: still the same21:02
specialthen ssu ur and get pkcon to refresh too21:03
intehad this repo activated already anyways21:03
inte[root@Jolla nemo]# pkcon refresh21:03
inteZwischenspeicher wird aktualisiert21:03
inteWarten in Warteschlange21:03
M4rtinKpdanek: yeah, that's the unfortunate truth :P21:03
inteWarten auf Legitimierung21:03
inteWarten in Warteschlange21:03
inteStarten21:03
inteSoftware-Liste wird aktualisiert21:03
inteSchwerwiegender Fehler: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)21:03
specialpastebin.21:03
inte[root@Jolla nemo]#21:03
intesorry for flooding21:03
M4rtinKpdanek: we need custom made open hardware laptops :)21:03
inteyeah21:03
specialyour configuration looks screwed up21:04
inteindeed21:04
coderusinte: show ssu lr21:04
specialalso zypper is apparently in mer-core, so it's available21:04
intecoderus21:04
inteok I rather use pastebin for that :)21:04
intejust a second21:04
coderussure21:04
M4rtinKpdanek: BTW, have you seen the Panasonic ToughBook ? that's probably the most robust laptop you can get :)21:05
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M4rtinKpdanek: a friend demonstrated it by just dropping it on the ground - I think we have a small hole in the ground  since then :)21:06
pdanekM4rtinK: Not sure if Toughbook specifically, but I know this extremely durable series of laptops from Panasonic, often used in military etc. They're famous with 'em.21:06
M4rtinKyeah, that's it or related21:06
M4rtinKit is as heavy as a brick and about as tough :)21:06
pdanekYe.21:07
pdanekyep.21:07
intedamed first had to disable privoxy/tor and then to enable cookies only to do this paste... http://pastebin.com/cAmWbzRJ21:09
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intedo I have to set domain sales or release?21:11
specialwhat does 'ssu s' say?21:12
inte[nemo@Jolla ~]$ ssu s21:13
inteDevice registration status: not registered21:13
inteDevice model: Jolla (SbJ / JP-1301)21:13
inteRelease (rnd): latest (release)21:13
intedevice uid is the same as shown at account.jolla.com21:13
inteand im logged into that account in harbor/jolla accounts21:14
specialI don't actually know what it's supposed to look like on a public device. Maybe someone here can compare.21:14
cousin_luigiDo you happen to know for how long Meego will be supported?21:15
intedoes anybody have a public device and is willing to execute "ssu s" in terminal?21:15
coderuscousin_luigi: Meego is not supported for a long time21:15
cousin_luigi:/21:16
cousin_luigiI suspect I'll have to get this jolla phone21:16
intecousin_luigi: I guess there is a sailfish release for the N9 \21:16
intecousin_luigi: but getting a Jolla device is of course way better :)21:17
coderusinte: special: i have different set of repositories: http://paste.kde.org/pjs4qveys21:17
cousin_luigiis there an offline maps app for sailfish?21:17
specialcousin_luigi: yeah, that's kind of what I thought21:17
coderuscousin_luigi: it have android apps support21:18
coderusso yes there are many maps :)21:18
coderusand there also some OSM maps already done for sailfish native21:18
specialinte: 'ssu domain sales' 'ssu ur' 'pkcon refresh'21:18
cousin_luigicoderus: uhm21:18
cousin_luigiI'd rather avoid android stuff21:19
coderuswhy? :)21:19
pdanekhttp://oldcomputers.net/pics/hp95lx.jpg such a beauty21:19
coderusits very well implemented in jolla21:19
intespecial: Schwerwiegender Fehler: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)21:19
cousin_luigicoderus: why else would I buy a jolla phone?:)21:19
pdanekMer should be ported to it.21:19
cousin_luigiinte: I read that as Schweisteiger Fehler21:19
cousin_luigiam I too taken by this game?21:19
intespecial: have changed that back and again plenty of times already21:19
specialinte: then I don't know what has happened to your device21:20
intecousin_luigi: well i dont actually see many mistakes bei Schweinsteiger on TV just now :)21:20
cousin_luigiinte: yes, that's why I wondered!:P21:20
specialget the output of 'ssu domain', 'ssu fl' and 'ssu re' to match what people here have21:20
intespecial: i deleted .config by mistake21:20
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cousin_luigialso how's the native support of caldav?21:20
coderusinte: remove Jolla account, reboot (just in case), and add account again.21:21
coderusspecial: do you have same set of repos like inte ahve or like i have?21:22
specialcoderus: I don't have a device within reach, but as far as I know the set he has work for internal credentials only21:22
coderusok21:23
intespecial: did that (relogin jolla account) plenty of time and again. Doesnt help21:23
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* inte rebooting21:25
stephgcoderus: what are you looking for to compare?21:26
stephginte: coderus: http://pastie.org/936925221:27
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intestephg: great that worked thanks!!21:30
intehad to set "ssu re 1.0.7.18"21:30
* inte will check openrepos now21:31
inteprobably that happend since I reverted to a backup i made on a previous release21:31
intewhich probably set re to 1.0.5.something21:32
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inteand later i tried with the release setup to which im not allowed to21:32
coderusstephg: sse lr list to compare21:32
intejust a guess21:32
coderusstephg: inte and me have different repositories list21:32
intecoderus I set mine to the same as stephg and it apparently seems to work now21:33
inteat least a pkcon refresh does21:34
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coderusinte: i see21:34
coderusi'm talking with stephg now :)21:34
intenot sure about opemrepos yet21:34
inteso we are at 7:0 now21:34
stephghttp://pastie.org/936926421:35
stephgso I'm absolutely vanilla, (no openrepos) only mer-tools and the connman hotfix21:36
intestephg: do i need those fixes? openrepos presents them to me now21:36
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stephgdo you 'need' them? no21:37
intehowever i cannot enable repos in openrepos for some reason :(21:38
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inteopenrepos update shows me sailfish-version, conman fixes and qt5-networksettings21:38
intestephg: what is it good for isnt it only recommended if people have trouble with e.g. lte?21:40
stephghttps://together.jolla.com/question/45026/hotfix-opt-in-hotfix-for-connectivity-in-upcoming-update-7/21:40
stephgis for folks that want to beta test, it doesn't fix anything per se21:41
inteok so now im a beta tester without ever having opt-in:)21:42
intenice21:42
specialno, the store will revert you the next time you update.21:42
inteprobaly jolla uses a different release version21:42
intespecial: ah ok21:42
stephgyeah if you don't want change .18 to .1621:42
coderusstephg: same with mine and different with inte :)21:42
inteso nothing would harm my device21:43
stephgno21:43
intecoderus: mine is now the same as stephg21:43
* inte will reinstall warehouse (again)21:44
coderusstephg: any ideas why inte have different repos setup?21:44
specialdifferent how?21:44
coderuscheck http://pastebin.com/cAmWbzRJ21:45
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specialthat was because it was set to an internal ssu configuration21:45
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coderusit's inte ssu lr21:46
coderusah oh?21:46
specialthose repositories require jolla credentials21:46
coderusbut he says he never touched ssu button in devmode settings :D21:46
stephgwell they must have got there somehow ;)21:47
coderus:)21:47
specialhe wiped out configuration. I think ssu defaults to those if everything else is removed21:47
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cousin_luigitell me, is there just one model of jolla phone?21:50
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stephgcousin_luigi: yes21:50
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cousin_luigiok21:51
cousin_luigibbl21:51
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stephgright is bed time21:55
stephggnight everyone, catch you in the morning21:55
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intestill cant enable repos in openrepos:(22:07
intecoderus: i guess the lr-repo thing maybe happend later?22:08
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intemaybe here22:09
inte[22:23] <coderus> inte: ssu fl sales; ssu re;22:09
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intenope22:09
intei dont know22:09
intemaybe something habend when i del .config22:10
intehappend22:10
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inteopenrepos is still broken and i cannot enable *any* repo22:13
inteany idea, anyone?22:13
coderusshow zypper ref output :)22:14
inteah that story22:14
intemom22:14
intedo i have to stop packagekit?22:16
coderussure22:18
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intehttp://pastebin.com/p7GPtd4q22:18
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coderuswhat the error when you trying to enable repo in warehouse?22:19
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inteno error22:21
inteits just not enabling the repo22:21
interefreshing....22:21
inteand back to the "enable repo" button22:21
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coderusno idea then22:23
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intecoderus is there something in .config regarding warehouse?22:29
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pdanekIsn't it confusing to most to name "Contacts" app in Jolla as "People"?22:47
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intecoderus the only error message i see for warehouse is QDBusObjectPath: invalid path ""22:59
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inteand, in journalctl23:04
inteJul 09 01:03:59 Jolla signond[6027]: signondaemon.cpp 360 init Failed to SUID root. Secure storage will not be available.23:04
inteJul 09 01:03:59 Jolla dbus-daemon[91423:04
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inteno thats not related23:07
inteits23:07
inteQDBusObjectPath: invalid path ""23:08
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eyea_UKJolla )01!@ )0y23:14
eyea_UKhow is everyone23:14
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