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tango_hm so if I rotate the phone after opening the document viewer, it doesn't rescale, but if I try to zoom it snaps instantly to re-fit the new screen and then just pinch-zooms regularly07:03
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kimmolixfade_: ping10:24
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narchiemessage for optima service:10:52
narchiepls return my jolla10:52
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slateWhats the service % for Jolla?11:18
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teveslate: verkkokauppa.com jolla service: 3.11%, returned: 1.30%12:05
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Morpog_PCupdate is out!14:47
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Bysmyyr:)14:48
ggabriel\o/14:48
ggabrieldoes it work?14:48
Morpog_PCI just tweeted about and the answer was the update being released :D14:49
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Morpog_PC<) cybette or jukka ;)14:49
xfade_It does work for me at least ;)14:50
Morpog_PCit downloads slowly14:50
BysmyyrEnd date for recurring \o/14:50
ggabrielis there a release note somewhere?14:51
kimmolihttps://together.jolla.com/question/50175/release-notes-software-version-10819-tahkalampi/14:51
ggabrielta14:51
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Morpog_PCand i was just planning to do a little sleep :)14:51
xfade_Morpog_PC: did you spot the download size on top of the release notes? :)14:51
Morpog_PCxfade_, nope14:52
locusfnice touch14:52
locusfsomeone please note the lipstick version number plz :)14:53
Morpog_PC440mb, wow14:53
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xfade_locusf: 0.24.1.1-1.30.314:53
locusfxfade_: on the newest one?14:53
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xfade_SailfishOS 1.0.8.19 (Tahkalampi) (armv7hl)14:54
locusfxfade_: okay thanks14:54
locusfmeans I don't have to change glacier-home yet14:54
xfade_locusf: that is lipstick-qt5 at least14:54
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* gexc downloading update :D14:55
locusfyup upstream is 0.25.1 already14:55
stephgoooooh update :)14:55
stephgand another pretty picture too14:55
artemmaupdate?14:55
sledgesupdate!14:56
stephgupdate!14:56
ggabrieland now no more update until september, right?14:57
Bysmyyrtjc is lagging?14:57
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xfade_ggabriel: Well, that is just 1.5-ish months from now ;)14:58
kimmolixfade_: ping - heard that i should talk to you about getting my rpm tied to toh id's for automatic download/install.14:59
* artemma checked for the firmware update. 1.0.7 still seems to be latest15:00
Morpog_PCartemma, no first one?15:00
stephgoooh update email!15:00
artemmaMorpog_PC: nope, #Iamthesceondone :)15:00
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Morpog_PCfirst ones always get updated a few hours early15:01
kimmoli-- Initial wave for #TheFirstOne's, and shortly to all.15:01
artemmabut that's actually good, I anyway prefer updates to be tested on somebody else, at least for few hours15:01
ggabrielxfade_: true, maybe october then15:01
artemmaso 1.0.8 is coming out now? Cool to hear15:01
Morpog_PCartemma, I like living at the bleeding edge ;)15:01
artemmaI guess it's pretty much net fix only15:01
Morpog_PCartemma, https://together.jolla.com/question/50175/release-notes-software-version-10819-tahkalampi/15:02
xfade_kimmoli: Yes, I can do that for you.15:02
ggabrielmy wlan access is about 7 hours away so i'll have to wait anyway :)15:02
artemmawell.. I am afraid of that I am less excited by Jolla now, so not watching for changes carefully15:02
artemmatoo unstable and hard-working for my user tases15:02
artemmaand too limiting on the store from for my developer side15:02
Morpog_PCartemma, well that what those updates are worth for :D15:02
artemmaWell, good to have updates anyway :)15:03
artemmaI guess I get back to active jolla development when there's either monetization or sales numbers or at least download/usage counters in the harbour15:03
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Morpog_PCthere are download counters15:04
* artemma needs some carrot in front of his nose to rise in some chart to be motivate15:04
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kimmolixfade_: is there prerequisities for that, as this is not an ambience. Can we make some pre-testing, if i give you the rpm and single toh-id? (not ready right now, but later/tomorrow)15:04
artemmaMorpog_PC: not if you get to 1K+ downloads :)15:04
artemmathen it's just 1K, 5K and 10K15:04
Aardartemma: do less popular apps only? :p15:04
Morpog_PCartemma, well, you ned to reach 10000+15:04
artemmanothing to refresh for and get a feedback kick :)15:04
artemmaMorpog_PC: I do :)15:05
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artemmadidn't check lately though15:05
artemmaI think one of my apps was 10K+ and 1-2 were 5K15:05
artemmaAnyway, cool to have updates15:05
tigeliggabriel: you must be in the middle of nowhere if there's no single wlan available within 7 hours ;)15:06
artemmaif multitasking improved at least a bit, it may delay my slip to Android as to a main daily phone :)15:06
ggabrieltigeli: nah, i just don't trust anything and want to use my home one15:07
xfade_kimmoli: yeah, we can experiment with one. Although TOHs rely on ambience flow atm, so the experience might not be very nice.15:07
xfade_kimmoli: but let's just test it out ;)15:07
Morpog_PCso, is the connectity stack improved compared to the hotfix or same version?15:08
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AardMorpog_PC: slightly improved15:08
Morpog_PCthat sounds good15:08
Aardalmost same version, but some bugs fixed15:08
Morpog_PCit was already pretty bug less15:09
kimmolixfade_: ok, great.15:09
artemmaoh, so network fi is included15:09
artemmagreat15:09
* artemma has hopes it solves most of freezes as they seem to come mostly from connection switch, contactsd and mitakuuluu daemon (also on network switch?)15:10
Morpog_PC- Displays OS update size before downloading the update15:10
Morpog_PC:D15:10
Sail0rhm no fix for the caldav issues15:12
AardSail0r: link?15:12
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Sail0rhttps://together.jolla.com/question/45424/caldav-synced-all-day-events-not-visible/#comment-4987115:12
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artemmalooking at description seems to be a good fix update. With the most important fix being a network improvement sure (I didn't find it in the list, but I guess it's somewhere in)15:15
artemmanothing abt performance improvements (what buggs me most after net issues), but net fix and HTML viewer update (less memory needed?) might help performance too15:16
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Morpog_PCartemma, I guess performance updates comes with update 9 and qt 5.215:17
Aardartemma: we'll be moving to qt5.2 with the next update. doesn't make too much sense for this update to spend too much time on performance tuning15:17
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artemmasure, guys, just checking the update notes15:17
artemmanot sure if 5.2 helps my update pains though :)15:18
TMavicadling15:18
artemmaas my pains seem to be strongly connected to a number of apps running (memory usage issue?)15:18
Nightmare__https://together.jolla.com/question/40076/bug-whole-day-event-shows-on-next-day-outlookcom-exchange-active-sync/15:18
artemmaand to the browser performance15:18
Morpog_PCnew tutorial app is great btw15:18
ggabrielartemma: how many applications do you normally run, out of curiosity?15:19
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artemmaggabriel: usually I have to kill apps already at 6-10 apps15:19
ggabrielartemma: that includes alien dalvik, right?15:20
artemmausually it's specific type of apps that gets things slow. Anything Android + anything using web rendering (e.g. email) means slow15:20
artemmaand by slow I mean that I can hardly use gestures to get to task manager15:20
artemmait's not the app slowness that's bad, it's system UI15:20
ggabrielmust be an android thing then, but i do notice that maps gets killed with so many applications15:20
artemmait is not Android-specific15:21
artemmaI have freezes without android too15:21
Morpog_PCstefano is my friend, at least the tutorial apps tells me taht :D15:21
* gexc finds the downloading stuck :-/15:21
ggabrieli guess i mean i never experienced that and i'm not using android yet15:21
ggabrielartemma: but do you kill the android service when you're not using android?15:21
artemmamitakuuluu daemon contributes often as it seems to eat lots of CPU sometimes. And contacsd too15:21
artemmaggabriel: yes, I have slowness with ead service too *using killdroid)15:21
ggabrielartemma: interesting. i agree with html viewer as well, and browser using a different engine than mail doesn't help :)15:22
artemmayour advices help, killing android helps a little, restoring device as zzste suggested also helped15:22
artemmastill, anything big HTMLish and jolla UI is dead15:22
Aardartemma: contactsd is a known bastard, it should behave a bit better with this update already15:22
ggabrielyeah, doesn't help that some websites don't want to show their mobile ui15:22
Aardartemma: problem there is network issues in connection with contactsd15:23
* artemma hopes at some point jolla's understanding of "real multitasking" aligns with his15:23
ggabrieli do find myself closing tabs/applications15:23
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ggabrielbut i'm not as hardcore as artemma :)15:23
artemmaAard: yeah, I remember: - Dad, show me what's multitaking in Windows. - Sure, wait a second until diskette formatting is over, son :)15:23
xfade_You also need to realize that multitasking isn't free. There is only so much cpu and memory to share.15:24
* artemma hoped that keeping system UI unfrozen is a solved issue since Mac OS X 9 and even Windows XP o the extent15:24
ggabrielhehe, i actually showed what multitasking was in windows 3.11 to a friend's dad :)15:24
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artemmawell, I've heard a magical cgroups update is going to finally isolate processes for real15:25
Aardartemma: to most people it does not happen, or only happens very rarely15:25
artemmauntil then I guess we only have to suffer and praise real multitasking when one badly written app or daemon puts whole system to knees15:25
ggabrielfwiw, ui hanging on linux is an issue regardless of cgroups15:26
ggabrielbut android suffers that, and so does ios, and they don't multitask so *shrug*15:26
Nicd-update installed :)15:26
artemmaAard: I strongly suspect that my tolerance to slowness is way less than one of average jolla user15:26
artemmaprofessional deformation I guess :)15:26
Nicd-the terminal now shows the os version when you open fingerterm15:26
artemmaAs I do use different mobile OSes and devices as primary phone for many months15:27
ggabrielNicd-: is it the new fingerterm? (silica)15:27
Nicd-ggabriel: ?15:27
ggabrielNicd-: can you open the menu with a swipe? :)15:27
Nicd-about says 1.0.315:27
ggabrielah, no, same15:28
stephgggabriel: no15:28
ggabrieli guess i'll have to install it myself15:28
* artemma finds it interesting to see how iOS and BB10 cleverly make it look like apps are fast, Android throws CPU/mem power at this problem while jolla finds idologically wrong to do first and no power to do 2nd :)15:28
Nicd-my uptime record is now 20d 11h15:29
ggabrielartemma: ios is laggy at best unless you have the latest kit15:29
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ggabriel(my experience at least...)15:29
stephgNicd-: you have a dilemma ;)15:29
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artemmait doesn't look laggy, it pretends being fast well15:29
artemmaand focuses on primary app always15:29
ggabrielartemma: not if you're fast enough ;)15:29
Nicd-stephg: I updated already :P15:30
ggabrielartemma: basically i opened a bunch of applications under ios and tried to interact, nothing happened due to the hack they applied15:30
ggabrieli call that laggy, but it may have another name15:30
ggabrieljobby? :P15:30
artemmaand as they say Apple focuses on experiences. Such as listening to music, you know. iPhone is able to play music no matter what. Jolla is sometimes shuttering even in a built-in player15:30
Nicd-my ipod touch with ios 5 is laggy as hell15:30
ggabrielartemma: ok, never happened to me, and i often play flac files which are huge15:30
Nicd-but the music never skips, true15:31
artemmaI play 320mbps mp3s15:31
ggabrielmaybe you need more cpu for those15:31
Nicd-you mean kbps :D15:31
ggabrielrather than io speed15:31
artemmanot big suttering, not really annoying , but still - obsiously it wasn't an OS design focus then15:31
artemmayeash, kbps15:31
ggabrielwork in progress i guess :)15:31
ggabrieli have to say that the music player nevre stuttered even when meerun was struggling15:32
* gexc finds the download rate is around 20KB/s :-O15:32
artemmaprecisely. That's exactly what I find interesting to observe (not really annoying, more expected and interesting): to watch which use cases or features different OS designers considered primary and which not15:32
tigeliartemma: I can make iphone to stutter ;)15:32
ggabrielartemma: yup15:33
artemmatigeli: okay, my argument isn't worth much without statistics then :)15:33
ggabrielartemma: i'll try 320kbps mp3's next time ;)15:33
artemmae.g. in iOS you can clearly see how Steve was cutting out fingers from designers who tried doing inconsistent apps (except for iBooks for some reason)15:34
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artemmaJolla and consitency.. oh, even swipe to task manager doesn't work in all screens15:34
ggabrieluhm... ios is rather inconsistent15:34
ggabrielnot as much as android, but inconsistent nonetheless15:35
artemmabut jolla does let you run a web server if you like. And I guess with some performance tunings if you like even15:35
ggabrielnot sure what you mean by "swipe to task manager doesn't work in all screens"15:35
ggabrieloh, e.g., from home screen15:37
ggabrielfair enough15:37
ggabrielwould'nt call that inconsistent tho15:37
Bysmyyrggabriel: program can disable border swipes15:37
ggabrielBysmyyr: yeah, but they tell you about it, like puzzle master15:38
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ggabrielin general, you shouldn't do that though15:38
artemmaggabriel: tell me where the most important pulley item is to be: in the bottom or on top? :)15:38
ggabrielartemma: depends15:38
artemmawhat is the sailfish way to change tabs?15:38
artemmaor should you use tabs?15:38
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ggabrieli haven't got answers for the browser15:38
ggabrielthe pulley depends on the application and what you're doing15:39
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artemmaor maybe you noticed that same gesture in the same app and nearly same view sometimes moves you Back and sometimes changes next-prev items and sometimes changes tabs?15:39
ggabrielerm... no, have you got an example for that?15:39
ggabrieli do use top/bottom pulley menus a lot in tidings15:40
artemmaor that sometimes even in system Settings saving changes is stiping to the left (accepting rigth action) and sometimes it's going Back15:40
ggabrieland the most important thing depends whether you want to go backwards or forwards15:40
ggabrielthat isn't inconsistent to me (settings)15:40
ggabrielfor some things you need to accept (language), for others it's just a switch (network preference)15:41
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ggabrielyou don't go back, you just tap and that's it15:41
ggabrielyou go back if you want to go elsewhere15:41
artemmaggabriel: have  look  no further than Gallery and what Back gesture means at different places: next-prev image, going actually Back15:41
artemmaTweetian is a good example as well15:41
ggabrielyeah, gallery was confusing at first15:42
ggabriel...but now a lot better than the competition's for some reason15:42
ggabrieli guess you can't take gestures independently15:42
artemmaoh, so you somehow think that some settings are naturally to be exactly accepted and some are "just a switch".. I guess we have very different urge for unification then :)15:42
ggabrielartemma: yeah, i expect people to be different15:43
ggabrielyour concernes are well taken tho15:43
ggabrielconcerns even15:43
artemmawell, it's work in progress indeed. I'd expect a lot of this to happen in a prototyping phase. Would be cool see a full completed device at some point :)15:43
ggabrielyup, agree with that15:43
artemmabut then again jolla is a startup15:44
artemmamaybe I am too hard to it lookign for the things mature manufaturers have15:44
artemmaafter all one of the possible biz directions for Jolla could be to be soled to e.g. HTC with lots of money thrown into finalization then15:45
ggabriellike i said, i don't think ios is consistent at all ;)15:45
ggabriellet alone android....15:45
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ggabrieli'm getting rid of mine as soon as i can and going back to ios15:45
ggabrielanyway, gotta go15:45
Aardartemma: I don't think that kind of corporate influence would be healthy (so the money would be useful)15:45
artemmaggabriel: there are levels and levels on inconsistency. it;s hard to get confused by the iOS top bar actions. They are always in same place and act identically15:45
artemmaAard: to me startup is a company searching for a biz model. Then 1st jolla device is pretty good proof of concept that can be convincing enough to pump money in15:46
artemmamoney might come as investment or buy out of the whole company. By smaller investors or a big player lookign for own platform15:47
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artemmabut these are just my own thoughts certainly15:47
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artemmaand Jolla might need connenctions even more than money actually. In the phone market it's nearly impossible to succeed w/out operator connections - they rule the market15:49
artemmathat is unless some startup disrupts the whole biz model and suddenly e.g. downloadable/installable OS starts making sense15:49
artemmaand well, wouldn't it be cool if HTC decided to make sailfish os one of it's main platforms15:52
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Aardit would be cool, but with us outside of htc, please15:54
TMavicaopenrepos not work?15:55
coderusTMavica: warehouse15:56
coderusnot openrepos :D15:56
coderusopenrepos is site :D15:56
TMavicayesyes..15:56
TMavicaso warehouse not work?15:56
TMavicalol15:56
coderushttps://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-July/004727.html15:56
coderussearch for warehouse15:57
AardI have no idea if they adjusted it to the changes. the warning came early enough to have it ready by now15:57
coderusAard: no it's not :)15:57
coderusCustodian will update phone soon and update warehouse :)15:58
coderusprobably this week15:58
coderushe is very busy15:58
TMavicagot it15:58
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cybetteMorpog_PC: it was me :) jukka is on vacation16:05
coderusnew tutorial is gread, but ambience selection is not explained?16:06
coderusgreat*16:06
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intewhen will the next jolla update be available for download?16:45
Morpog_PCseptember16:46
intethe tjc states it is available today16:46
inteoh16:46
special1.0.8.19 is available today16:46
intethen i misinterpreted the news16:46
intehu16:46
inteits not16:46
inte(not for me)16:46
Morpog_PCinte, well, I already installed the one from today :)16:46
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TemeVmy Jolla looks so weird, because patches were disabled after update16:46
specialit's available for the first ones at least, I'm not sure it's done the wider rollout yet16:46
intei even switched to the firstone cover16:46
intefirst time today i even put it on16:47
Morpog_PCinte, try a reboot16:47
xfade_inte: that is the reason then..16:47
inteno update though, jet16:47
xfade_The list was updated last week16:47
inteah mom16:47
xfade_Better luck next round ;)16:47
TemeVinte: did you check updates manually?16:47
inteyes16:47
* inte rebooting...16:47
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TemeVfor me update notification popped up when I opened store16:48
intewill bluetooth work for android apps?16:48
intei presume not since it is not stated16:48
intejust asking...16:48
inteno update for me yet16:50
intedo i have to reboot with the firstone on?16:50
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intexfade_: ah i see but now im on the list? since I downloaded the firstone additions from harbor?16:51
xfade_inte: no, you won't get it this round.16:51
TemeVinte: no, it should not matter16:51
intexfade_: yes I got that but next round?16:52
Morpog_PCinte, on next update you will be first ;)16:52
xfade_I updated the list last week, so if you never used it before.16:52
TemeVI already got the update, and I'm not one of the first ones16:52
intexfade_: yeah I understood16:52
xfade_TemeV: also connman hotfix people got it.16:53
intexfade_: just wanted to know if i'll get on the list when you update it the next time16:53
TemeVxfade_: ah, that explains. Cool :)16:53
inteif you update it again at all16:54
inte...16:54
xfade_inte: release will go out to everybody shortly, wont be too long anymore.16:55
intejep but still - i also want on taht list :)16:55
intejust in case you will use it for other promotional stuff16:56
intelike preordering Jolla2 e.g.16:56
xfade_Well, it doesn't work when it is still in the pouch ;)16:56
inte:)16:56
intei put it on today and downloaded the firstone additions16:56
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intealready removed it and put it back in the pouch, though :)16:57
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xfade_inte: reboot your phone and try again ;)16:58
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* inte rebooting...16:59
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Morpog_PCthat low power mode is cool :D17:02
Morpog_PCalmost feels like my n9 now17:02
intexfade_: reboot with first one on?17:02
Morpog_PCinte, don't think so17:03
Sail0rlow power mode?17:04
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Morpog_PCyep17:05
Morpog_PCbut not with update 817:05
Morpog_PCyou can enable it manually17:05
Sail0rah via mcetool17:05
Yanielsoo.. do I dare to update right now?17:05
Morpog_PCyes Sail0r17:05
Sail0ri thought I have not seen it ;)17:05
Morpog_PCI wonder why it wasn't added into update 817:06
Yanielas I'm at least two weeks away from my computers and a new microsd17:06
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intexfade_: works!! Great thanks a lot!! I guess I went on the list now :)17:10
inteTHATS customer friendly :)17:11
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inteMorpog_PC: what is low power moder and how do I enable it exactely?17:12
inteCurrently updating so I cannot try it just yet17:13
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Morpog_PCinte, http://www.jollausers.com/2014/07/video-tutorial-want-lpm-on-jolla-heres-a-tutorial/ but beware, do that on your own risk17:13
intebut asap17:13
Yanielhow likely is stuff to break with this update?17:14
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Stskeepseverything is possible, it's just that after a few days you know what is broken and what's not.. :P17:14
inteMorpog_PC: thanks17:14
YanielStskeeps: well17:14
Morpog_PCahaha, a well said non answer :D17:15
Yanielone des not simply boot the phone in recovery mode while in the army17:15
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StskeepsMorpog_PC: i've had media training, it's like lying but then again not.. :P17:15
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TemeVStskeeps: so you learned to speak a lot without saying anything? :)17:16
Morpog_PCmust have been a management training :D17:17
inteMorpog_PC: does lpm drain the battery?17:17
intesince its not an amoled in the jolla?17:17
Morpog_PCinte, well I enabled it 15 minutes ago17:17
TemeVwell, I guess those trainings could be combined. Goal in both is to produce meaningless sentenced that still sound good :)17:17
Morpog_PCinte, I guess a little bit17:18
intehehe:)17:18
inteI'll see17:18
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inteMorpog_PC: its just that usually the display eats most of the battery17:18
TemeVMorpog_PC: does the screen stay on forever (or until battery runs out) if it is on table?17:18
Morpog_PCinte, it only gets activated for a few seconds, so not that much power hungry i guess17:18
Morpog_PCTemeV, no, watch the video :D17:19
TemeVtoo lazy for that :)17:19
inteMorpog_PC: ?? so if i have the phone lying on the table it wouldn show the watch?17:19
Morpog_PCyes17:19
intei would still have to touch it?17:19
inteoh17:19
Morpog_PCdouble tap as always17:19
Morpog_PCit's just or sutuations like when taking out of pocket, just to check clock or notifications17:20
intedouble tap brings up the lpm instead of the desktop then?17:20
intewhats the difference?17:20
Morpog_PCinte, no17:20
intemmh17:20
Morpog_PClpm is a minimalised lock screen17:20
Morpog_PCdouble tap lpm, get lockscreen17:20
inteok17:20
TemeVis there written instructions somewhere? I hate it when people have to do video about everything17:20
intea replacement for the normal lockscreen17:21
TemeVso unpractical17:21
Morpog_PCTemeV, read the whole article :D17:21
Yanielinte: lpm shows when the phone is taken out of a pocket or so, lock screen not until doubletapping17:21
inteso i will have to tap four times to enable it17:21
Morpog_PCinte, no17:21
TemeVMorpog_PC: oh, thanks17:21
Yanielthe point of the lpm is that it shows immediately17:21
inteYaniel: how does the phone realize it is taken out of the pocket then?17:21
Yanielproximity sensor17:22
intethat sound cool again17:22
Morpog_PCit IS cool17:22
YanielStskeeps: so, howlikely am I to run into problems if I update here and now?17:22
Morpog_PCwhen you got it on table you can also hover your hand over the proximity sensor to get it17:22
Yanieland by problems I mean more or less a brick17:23
StskeepsYaniel: don't know, it's been QAed17:23
Morpog_PCYaniel, you got the same chances as if u were at home :D17:23
Sail0rlol17:24
Yanielyeah but there I could at least 1. try recovery mode 2. send it for repairs and take my n8 as a spare17:24
inteYaniel: sounds cool will try thanks!!17:24
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StskeepsYaniel: what was your care issue?17:26
Yanielnot sure if any yet17:26
Yanielhad a few sudden reboots recently17:26
Yanielbut that might be just random bugs17:26
TemeVdoes not work17:29
Morpog_PClpm?17:29
Yanieloh well17:29
TemeV"Use low power mode:          enabled" but no glance screen17:29
Morpog_PCTemeV, lock screen and unlock and try again17:29
Yanielif it really breaks I just can't use it for the next twoweeks17:29
TemeVnow it works, it just took some time to get enabled I guess17:30
Morpog_PCYaniel, well, if you really wnat to be 100000% sure, just wait 2 weeks17:30
TemeVthis is so cool feature :)17:30
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Morpog_PCit's just 2 weeks and it's moostly bug fixes and not that much important features in update 817:30
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TemeVfeeling like a jedi when I'm waving my hand over the phone to see the time :)17:38
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jaykihey does somebody here have a quick answer how to solve dd: writing to `/dev/mmcblk0p10': No space left on device in recovery factory reset? same with mmcblk0p11 ....17:38
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jaykihey does somebody here have a quick answer how to solve dd: writing to `/dev/mmcblk0p10': No space left on device in recovery factory reset? same with mmcblk0p11 ....17:44
Morpog_PCStskeeps, maybe?17:44
Stskeepser... that shouldn't happen17:45
jaykiwould be nice :D because my phone won't boot anymore and i won'Ät send it to back to jolla before i tested everyathing17:45
jaykiyes but that happend... but WHY?17:45
Stskeepsi'm as baffled as you are17:46
tilljayki what about https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/17:46
Stskeepsdid you repartition or anything?17:46
jaykino i didn't do anything with the partitions i just used the phone as a normal people :D17:46
jaykiit's the phone from my girlfriend so...17:47
jaykimy phone is still fine but here's is hm..17:47
Stskeepsok, when you do send it to care, mail me at carsten.munk@jolla.com when you get a zendesk id17:47
Stskeepsthat device sounds broken17:47
jaykii have a id17:47
Stskeepsok, mail me that17:48
jaykioh thats bad but what happens ther?17:48
jaykido you have some idea?17:48
Stskeepsprobably a full reflash, but i'd like to intercept it to get it looked at..17:48
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jaykii just copied some files from nemo > my pc and ended in a boot loop, so i did a factory reset and after that nothings has worked17:48
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jayki*jolla :D17:59
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clau2@jolla, very nice job with the latest update. thanks!18:27
Turski+118:29
Turskibrowser UI improvements are good18:30
clau2one question, why is not the 5 minute interval allowed when setting custom intervals?18:30
Morpog_PCthe whole new UI probably comes with update 9 i guess18:30
clau2for emails, that is18:30
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Morpog_PCclau2, I guess to avoid people being upset about draining battery :D18:31
clau2well, you have the 5 min outside of custom settings18:31
clau2I would really like to set it to 5 min over the day, and say, 1h over the night18:31
Morpog_PCoh, ok, then it's strange18:31
Morpog_PCnot sure who does that ui part, maybe w00t?18:32
clau2I hope there's a hack to fix it, until an official fix is provided, because it's a really nice feature18:33
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Sail0rI hope a fix for the caldav events is released soon18:37
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Morpog_PCsummer break...18:37
Sail0r:-/18:38
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Morpog_PCnow if we just could get rid of that last android button :D18:42
Morpog_PChe must feel lonely alone there18:42
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fluxsoo, I've lost one group in Jolla. as in, I have the apps installed (QuickLauncher can find them), but the group is gone. suggestions?18:48
Morpog_PCgroup? folder?18:48
fluxyes18:48
fluxit's not related to the latest upgrade, though I just did switch to it. it happenes some time ago.18:49
Morpog_PChmmm maybe giucam or vesuri can help here, not sure who does the work, as it's a closed source part18:50
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specialMorpog_PC: flux: it's not closed source. https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/blob/master/src/components/launcherfoldermodel.cpp18:52
Morpog_PCah, i thought it's part of lipstick-jolla-home18:52
suosaask1I wonder if the Jolla launcher for Android would be worth a try...18:55
fluxmeh, still no way to lock gestures to not depend on accelerometer18:56
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fluxpromising this new sailfish19:06
fluxcrashes wayland in 30 minutes of upgrade :)19:06
fluxI close the camera, screen goes blank, green led blinks in a busy fashion, back to normal startup screen (no reboot)19:07
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Nicd-might have not been wayland that crashed though19:07
Morpog_PCsounds more like lipstick19:08
Morpog_PCwas it green blinking?19:08
Stskeepsflux: O_o19:08
Stskeepsflux: anything useful in journal?19:08
Morpog_PCit was, lol i should read better19:08
flux"no journal files found"19:08
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flux..this is going to hinder bug finding :)19:09
Stskeepsdevel-su19:09
Stskeeps?19:09
fluxah, right. bug dmesg suggests firefox might be to blame somehow.19:10
flux[ 1212.359774] mozilla.firefox(7075) send signal 11 to mozilla.firefox(7075)19:10
flux[ 1213.712314] app_process(7184) send signal 3 to Signal Catcher(7184)19:10
Stskeepsnah, that's okay ish19:10
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fluxJul 14 22:06:10 Jolla kernel: Jul 14 22:06:10 Jolla kernel: Pid: 1277, comm:      QSGRenderThread19:11
fluxI can put these logs somewhere if it's useful19:11
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Stskeepsthat's probably more like it19:11
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fluxman, jolla logs a lot19:13
Stskeepsyeah, but not to disk19:13
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SceltStskeeps: hey, can you tell me what Jolla's warranty policy thinks about funky other half qi wireless charging? will it break the warranty?19:14
Stskeepsno, i'm not involved in that whatsoever19:14
fluxhow nicely useless backtrace: Jul 14 22:06:10 Jolla kernel: [<c010cabc>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0x11c) from [<c0110b18>] (__do_user_fault+0x7c/0xc4)19:14
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fluxor does it still keep usefull stuff in, hm19:14
SceltStskeeps: okaydokay19:14
Sceltthx anyway19:14
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fluxwell, I put a copy to a place, if someone needs it I can give url :)19:15
Stskeepsgiucam might be a candidate19:15
giucamflux: pastebin it19:16
fluxhttp://www.modeemi.fi/~flux/jolla.log19:17
fluxI removed stuff before a bit befor the crash and everything after it19:17
fluxI can put more in, but I need to check there's no credentials etc in it ;)19:18
giucamcrash in qtquick, it seems19:18
Stskeepsjournal part? that's dmesg19:19
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Stskeepseh, wait..19:19
Stskeepsflux: things right after that would be good19:19
inteshould i remove patchmanager before installung the latwst update?19:21
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CosmicDuckhi, is there allready an qr code scanner available?19:22
c0ck4m0u53pkcon remove jolla-startupwizard-tutorial returns "This tool could not find the installed package jolla-startupwizard-tutorial"19:22
Sceltc0ck4m0u53: pkcon remove sailfish-tutorial jolla-startupwizard19:23
fluxstskeeps, giucam, I updated it to somewhat past start_alien19:23
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c0ck4m0u53Scelt: thx for the quick reply:D so the package was renamed with the latest update:D19:24
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coderusCosmicDuck: native not afaik19:25
coderusi'm using android atm19:25
fluxah, I was not giving a crucial data point19:26
fluxI was running quickbar19:26
fluxfor the first time as well19:26
Stskeepsah..19:26
fluxand it seems it does some qt trickery19:26
fluxgiucam, say, do you have suggestions how to recover my lost application folder?-)19:28
fluxthe apps are still findable with quicklauncher, but at some point when moving apps around the folder disappeared19:28
giucamflux: no, i haven't worked on them19:28
inteanyone installed the latest upgrade without removing patchmanager patches?19:32
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fluxsounds like a bad idea :)19:33
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ced117can anyone explain me, why i have the airplaine icon on the homescreen instead of the network signal icon after the update ?19:35
ced117airplane*19:35
coderusced117: simcard disconnected probably19:36
xfade_ced117: then your os update didn't complete.19:37
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xfade_ced117: disable airplane mode and check for updates again.19:37
ced117nop coderus, everyting is working fine. calls/sms etc.19:37
ced117airplane mode is "not" activated.19:37
ced117but the icon is there.19:37
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phlixiCosmicDuck, coderus: native QR Scanner (unfortunately needs to press "capture"): https://openrepos.net/content/yoktobit/qrscany19:43
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phlixi...very basic though... e.g. scanning something like that: "soMDAxSEB5GPqxwnhxAC" does not work, until you change it to "http://soMDAxSEB5GPqxwnhxAC"19:45
phlixibut works fine for me (usually i transfer urls, not passwords, and since i know the prefix trick, i dont care about that, bug)19:46
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fluxok, restored my folder. .config/lipstick/applications.menu has <Menu> with <Directory>/home/nemo/.config/lipstick/FolderniQ962.directory</Directory>20:04
fluxnone of the other Menus had it, so I removed it and restarted lipstick and boom, group is back20:04
specialmjones: ^20:05
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MoritzJTinte: no, what happened?20:33
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intemoritzjt nothing yet20:39
intestill downloading20:39
intejust wanted to know if i should remove the patches before updating20:40
TemeVinte I did20:45
inteah20:46
intewhat20:46
TemeVinstall update without removing patches20:46
interemoved or not removed prior to updating?20:46
inteah20:46
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inteand, did it work?20:46
TemeVyep20:46
intecool thanks!20:46
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TemeVpatches were disabled first though, then they reappeared even I removed patchmanager already20:47
intedid the patches still work afterwards?20:47
TemeVreappeared after boot I mean20:47
inteok20:47
TemeVmost of them work, not all20:47
intei dont mind if they reappear20:47
intei like then20:47
TemeVbut just to make it simpler, I would disable the patches20:48
inteok then i will leave it as is20:48
inteas long as they don't break anything20:48
TemeVhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1432719&postcount=26020:49
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inteyeah thanks saw that already but it didnt answer my question regarding the update process20:50
TemeVI think official recommendation would be to disable patches, but I forgot and had no problems20:52
intei also forgot and started the download process already20:53
TemeVdownload process doesn't matter20:54
intedont know if its still possible to deactivate them when downloadbis ready20:54
TemeVyes, it is20:54
inteif its possible i will20:54
intecool thanks again20:54
TemeVjust don't do it before the download is finished, I'd guess restarting lipstick might interrupt the download20:55
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TemeVbut after the download is finished, you should be good to do anything and install when you feel like it20:55
intei cant anyways since warehouse is currently blocked20:56
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intethe download procesd is blocking uninstall menus20:56
inteah but true of course i could just disable them20:57
TemeVyeah, disabling should be enough20:57
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tmynttinanyone have problems with cutespotify after the update?22:06
tmynttini can't get any audio output from it22:07
tmynttinwith or without headphones22:07
intemy update is still loading....22:08
intedont use spotify anyways22:08
Navupdate? there's a new os update out?22:09
* Nav hunts22:09
tmynttinyes there is :)22:10
* Nav wonders if there's full size versions of the update header images anywhere - they're really nice pics!22:14
intenav install it!22:16
NavI am!22:17
NavAll downloaded, installing now22:18
intetakes ages to downloaf22:18
inteoh22:18
inteslow internet connectin here22:18
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TemeVtmynttin: update broke cutespotify, developer is aware and provides fix asap22:28
tmynttinTemeV: great! thx for the info :)22:29
TemeVI've heard android spotify works fine, so you can use it for the addiction :)22:30
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tmynttinmight be i have to, though i'd prefer the native one, ofc :)22:32
dunphttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/obama-administration-says-the-worlds-servers-are-ours/22:33
dunphope jolla can make nsa us free services :)22:33
phlixithis is not a bug, but an intended feature? WTF??? https://together.jolla.com/question/4566122:36
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Aardit'll probly eventually become a setting22:37
intedunp jolla is not srlling to the us (officially)22:38
intethere this position of the us gov doesnt really affect jolla currently22:38
intei would think that, st least22:39
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phlixithis is quite cumbersome to discipline me to always have a "disposable tab" on top -.-22:52
phlixiand after opening a tab, e.g. from tweetian, immediately opening a new one... this is stupid stuff the machine should do automatically22:53
phlixi(b opening those as new tabs in the first place)22:53
intehow big is the current jolla update?23:04
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intestill downloading @384k23:05
HarhaanJohtajaDownload size : ~440MB23:05
intehu23:06
intethanks23:06
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