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slateteve: kiitos, tuokin antaa jo vähän osviittaa05:24
slateSorry for finglish.05:25
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pp_jolla update server is running on amazon (european amazon tho :-) )06:09
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Jartzacool06:20
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Jartzathe latest update made android-experience much much much smoother06:20
Jartzanow when even accidentally closing app pressing back too many times, it only closes one app06:21
Jartzaand changing the apps is "more native"06:21
Jartza(y)06:21
Nicd-still for some reason some people complain about it06:21
Quuyeah, because android apps are horrible and bad and boohoo06:21
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JartzaI still need my android apps, so I'm not complaining06:27
Jartzabut it's always true, some people complain no matter what :)06:28
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Jartzagive them $1M and they ask "why only million?"06:28
Nicd-I currently have two android apps, c:geo and Sokoban Garden06:28
Nicd-would get S-Mobiili too if it was in the app store06:28
JartzaI would get Nordea-app06:31
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Skorpynow just to get rid of the back button at the bottom of the screen. (*somehow*)06:43
Skorpylooks silly with just one button. :P06:43
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pp_at least it's not a windows button06:45
Sail0rI would prefer they concentrate much more on the Sailfish experience itself then bringing better android support :-/. (eg E-Mailapp, Calendarapp, Contactsapp, Sync etc)06:47
ruskieow nice... update06:47
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* cb400f adds a bunch of webshortcuts to the launcher :-)07:04
StskeepsSail0r: well, it's an external company doing the android support, it doesn't take away time from us internally07:07
Sail0rStskeeps: ok07:08
ruskiewell now I can actually select what to sync from my work google account07:08
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Stskeepsbad experience anywhere in the ui hurts the thing as a whole, ie, the multiwindow thing really helps overall..07:09
pp_yup, like the update (now to see whether the piece of paper I added to the battery did anything)07:09
pp_glance screen is still not an official feature, right? (couldn't find the menu entry for it at least)07:12
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Nicd-pp_: yep, it's not07:17
mekludoesn't look too useful IMO07:17
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pp_it is if you don't own a watch and store the phone in your pocket :-)07:22
mekluI can't really see a usecase for having to actually slap your hand on a very specific part of the phone to get it to show information07:23
mekluyou might as well hit the unlock button :)07:23
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pp_upside down on the table works too :-07:24
pp_n9-style was much nicer, but better than nothing in the current implementation07:24
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trigpointIs there a native qr app, searching qr in the store brings up nothing07:43
mekluthere's a native qr app on openrepos07:45
stephgis there? cool07:45
cb400fI use QR Droid until native reaches harbour.. think I got it from 1MobileMarket07:46
trigpointopenrepos?07:46
cb400frepositories with stuff not yet mature enough for the official store07:47
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cb400fthough sometimes I wonder if developers are content with their stuff living in openrepos and never reaching harbour :-|07:49
* cb400f is impatiently waiting for modrana, fbreader, qrscany etc.07:49
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trigpointthanks guys, found it07:55
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intemh. when trying to enable additional repos in warehouse i currently get an authentication failed error08:27
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kimmolipolicy changes08:27
intewhich means?08:28
kimmolirelated: https://together.jolla.com/question/50358/pkcon-fails-after-update-to-10819/08:28
tbrwait until they fix it08:28
tbrand they: OR08:28
inteok thanks08:28
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inteby the way, there is this "allow third party software " in settings08:29
intei had not enabled but was able to instal from openrepos, several android stores e.g.08:30
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intewhat is that switch good for?08:30
kimmoliyes, by that you can install rpm after downloading them via browser08:30
kimmoliif that switch is _off_ , you can't install rpm from transfers08:31
intethat also worked already, by the rpm installer08:31
intefrom openrepos08:31
kimmoliah, never used that08:32
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inteso this would replace rpm-installer and any rpm i click in the browser will subsequently be installed without further interaction?08:33
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inteanyways thanks then i will wait for or to fix it08:34
kimmolii quickly assume that rpm-install will also be updated (?)08:35
inteits not necessary any longer anyways if i got you right?08:40
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kimmolithere is no nice gui though. it just installs with a remorse08:45
inteok08:46
osatonafter the update android apps (instagram, untappd) don't let you select (are not showing) photos taken after the update. also new images taken in portrait mode are rotated to landscape in gallery. are these common problems or is it just my jolla?08:47
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inteosaton workd for me08:49
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clautalking about Telegram, do you get notifications now when it is in background?08:49
intejust took a pic and opend it in the canon printer app08:49
osatoninte, thanks08:49
clauthe sound notifications are just fine when it's full screen, not so when it's in background08:49
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ggabrielo/08:57
ggabriel...and i didn't update sailfish :P08:57
ighea_you should, it is awesome08:57
ggabrielENOTIME08:57
ggabrieli'll try tonight08:57
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narchienew patch?08:59
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TemeVclau: I don't get notifications for android telegram08:59
narchieto optima service:09:00
narchieplease return my jolla09:00
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Nicd-narchie: optima is not on this channel09:01
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SceltNicd-: they should to get the feedback09:02
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intewho is optima?09:03
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Nicd-a company which handles jolla repairs09:03
inteah09:03
Sceltthey're known for unrepairing the devices09:04
Sceltor blaming "mechanical damage" to get consumer's money09:04
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Sceltthe hair in my back arises when I hear the name Optima09:05
kimmolixfade_: ping. Aard is on holidays09:05
kimmoliScelt: i have only one experience with them, but it is positive. Loudspeaker changed in warranty, got phone back in less than 24 hours.09:06
narchieI have only one and its terrible09:07
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narchiehope it's better this time though since it should be straightforward09:07
kimmolionly negative thing is that they did reset the phone, luckily to backup everything to sd card. music manually, and made rough list of apps installed. +extra copy of ~/.config folder09:11
tabaskoanyone know how to add webshortcuts after latest firmware upgrade?09:11
tabaskoI cant figure it out09:11
kimmolibrowser, on the url-enter-page (tab view whatever) pulldown09:12
tabaskoah, too easy :)09:12
tabaskothanks kimmoli09:12
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kimmoliif you open link via that, and close browser like immediately, you'll might see shadows of some launcher cover...09:13
clauTemeV: it seems it's disconnecting when in background. :(09:15
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pesasaNow that wasn't easy upgrade. Upgrade was loaded well, but installation booted the device right in the beginning. Every time.09:18
pesasaApparently the disk was too full. When I cleaned up and made some more space, the upgrade went well.09:19
stephgpesasa: yeah the btrfs can be a bit fussy09:20
pesasaBut no error message or anything. Just reboot. And after that Android-software didn't work anymore.09:21
AL13N_workhmm, maybe jolla needs to handle out of disk space a bit better09:22
pesasaAfter successfull upgrade, they started to work again. That might be also because of lack of space.09:22
Nicd-depends on if it was 'disk full' or 'btrfs full'09:23
pesasaHowever, Jolla reported around 11 GB/13 GB used.09:23
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pesasaOr maybe like 10.5 GB / 13.7 GB. But I wouldn't consider that full.09:25
Nicd-btrfs can still be full09:25
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Nicd-I had 4 GB used when my btrfs filled I think09:26
Nicd-or even less09:26
pesasaNicd-: Jeah, that's not nice.09:26
AL13N_workpesasa: Nicd-: the df -h values are not good values for btrfs09:26
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TemeVclau: ok, that explains...09:26
AL13N_workthe real disk usage needs to be check with btrfs fi df and such09:26
Nicd-AL13N_work: I know09:27
AL13N_workotoh, the kernel is only 3.4 in jolla09:27
AL13N_workso09:27
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mekluthat might cause a few issues, admittedly09:27
AL13N_workthough i'd like it if df -h values would be chosen from the subvolum quotas09:27
NavAnyone else noticed their other half ambiance being periodically selected since upgrading?09:28
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NavHas happened twice here09:28
AL13N_work3.12 would be nice, but the firmware needs to be available for it09:28
Nicd-Nav: I've had it for a long while09:28
Nicd-I just keep the OH ambience non-favorite so it isn't chosen09:28
tobiskiI have the snow white ambience favorited but it doesn't select it ever09:29
NavAh, ok, nice to know09:29
AL13N_worki have no ambience favorited09:29
inteuh, microsoft is kicking the former Nokia staff09:29
AL13N_worki did once end up with snow white after removed and replaced TOH09:29
tobiskiShouldn't it automatically change to OH's ambience if it's favorited?09:29
AL13N_workinte: what did you expect09:29
inteyeah, since they are selling even less phones now...09:30
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Nicd-tobiski: yes, when the OH is connected, it should09:30
intei only wonder if Nokia will get back into phone businesd im 201609:31
AL13N_workwhy 2016?09:31
tobiskiNicd-: Isn't happening to me, and I should have tohd.service running also09:31
Nicd-tobiski: then it's a bug I guess09:31
intewerent they forbidden to make esones earlier?09:31
AL13N_worktobiski: does the settings detect it?09:31
AL13N_worktobiski: do you see the TOH ID in the settings device info?09:31
AL13N_workinte: oh, ok09:31
tobiskiAL13N_work: yes09:32
AL13N_workwell, who would even buy a windows phone...09:32
intemake phones09:32
intewell nokia is not making windows phone any more09:32
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intehowever, they are still developing Here Auto which Linux/Qt09:33
Nicd-hmm, apparently microsoft cannot release any new wp phones with the nokia name09:33
AL13N_workhuh? why?09:34
Nicd-at least this claims so: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsoft-nokia-buyout-details-7-things-to-know/#!bfothN09:34
inteyes they are only allowed to use the Nokia brand for ashas09:34
intenokia could get back into susiness, though09:35
inteor support Jolla09:35
inteor license sailfishos09:35
intethey the have interesting patents09:35
tobiskiI see people fixed it by using another OH but I have only the white one09:36
intei would love to see a pureview toh09:36
TemeViirc originally it was said ta ms can use nokia brand for smartphones for a few years09:36
intehad an 808 for a while and the pictures were amazing09:36
pp_high-res pics over i2c would be a bit painful :(09:36
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inteis it so slow? uh:(09:37
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pp_you'd pretty much have to do it over wlan or bt09:37
Nicd-TemeV: that article states that MS can use the Nokia name in *existing* Lumia phones for 10 years09:37
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Nicd-but can't make any new WP phones with the Nokia name09:37
TemeVok, didn't read the article09:37
kimmolii have been wondering could the sdcard (SPI) used for data transfer...09:37
TemeVbut i'd guess ms doesn't even want to use nokia brand for new ones09:38
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intewell put the logic in the toh and only control it through i2c then:)09:38
Accekimmoli: I was thinking about that too, it would offer simple interface via writing and reading files + could be quite fast09:39
AcceIt was just hard to find information on how to pose a mcu as sd card09:39
kimmolisd-card emulation..09:39
intetemev yeah its a bit confusing at the moment, while new phones like the nokiax are from microsoft, apps like the android launcher are from nokia finland09:40
Accesimple version might include sdcard and mcu, Jolla and the mcu taking turns in writing & reading the sd card09:40
pp_some clever filesystem which allows simultaneous use :D09:40
Acceit could definitely give more speed compared to i2c09:41
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KabouikThe deterioration is not big a deal though, it still works good and looks good10:03
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KabouikSure it looks like it is bumped (I can imagine the reinforced structure inside, and see where the PCB is), but it's still ok10:04
Nicd-what a netsplit10:04
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tobiskiwell this is interesting, was tyring various things to get the OH ambience to change on attach. I had ~80% battery and now all of a sudden it's at 10% :D10:07
tobiskiI'll reboot and see if it gets back to 8010:07
tobiskiyup, back to 76%10:08
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AL13N_workanyone else having troubles after the upgrade?10:53
AL13N_worki put in the unlock code10:54
NavNot noticed any problems so far10:54
AL13N_workthen the pin code screen appears10:54
AL13N_workand the keyboard popped up, making me unable to type in the pin10:54
AL13N_workStskeeps: ^^10:54
Stskeepsswipe it down?10:54
AL13N_worki couldn't10:54
AL13N_worki pressed power button and double-tapped to make it dissapear10:55
ggabrieli don't even have an update notification, and i have been to my home wlan10:55
AL13N_workit took me a while too10:55
AL13N_worki ended up going to the store to trigger it10:55
AL13N_workooh, nice, the new connectivity stack, i got mobile data while wifi is having troubles connecting10:57
AL13N_workhmm, maybe there's some more tuning required...10:59
AL13N_workduring this fallback time, they gui sometimes has it wrong11:00
AL13N_workanyone know who i talk to about this wifi/mobiledata failover feature?11:01
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Nicd-goodbye Stskeeps :(11:11
SK_work:(11:13
giucamlol. he'll be back ;)11:14
ggabrieleven the best of us have to go to the toilet11:15
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louisdkHow to I change the ambience to just a single colour? :)11:39
kimmolimake your own ambience package with sdk, and change there to same? https://github.com/kimmoli/qtcreator-ambience-wizard/blob/master/ambience-template.ambience#L1211:41
kimmolistephg: ping11:42
mekluthose secondary colours are RGBA, right?11:43
kimmoliyes11:43
meklurather than e.g. RGB11:43
mekluerr, ARGB11:43
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kimmoliRGBA11:43
kimmolithey have some transparency11:44
kimmolii yesterday realised that the ambience package can be simplified, just wallpaper and colors (no need for sounds, translations, etc)11:44
mekluneat11:45
kimmoliwill push one ripped example somewhere later...11:46
kimmolistephg: undo-ping. gtg11:47
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stephgping undone!11:57
stephglaters kimmoli11:57
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inzooh update12:07
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louisdkThis is strange. Over the last couples of days my Jolla phone (running update 7 and 8) have been randomly shutting down (having at lest 15% battery). When I manually boots it again it says that be battery is only at 2% and shuts down. Then when I connect the charger it charges and displays that the battery is back at the same % as before the first shutdown.12:57
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AL13N_worklouisdk: i think people recommend to take out battery for 10min12:59
pp_yea, paper between battery might help too13:00
pp_mine failed the battery resistance test for a while (and had random shutdowns)13:00
pp_now it looks happy13:00
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pp_could be the heat too, will contact care eventually if it doesn't clear up on its own :P13:01
louisdkAL13N_work, Ok will try that.13:02
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Pawkywhen will alien dalvik be able to listen to multicast signals?13:12
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CosmicDuckhi. i got email that jolla release 8 is available. But manually browsing to sailfish updates shows me only update from june 10. The link is not really working an i'm redirected to home page. Can anybody confirm that or should I use another browser than ff?13:16
mekluthere are release notes on tjc13:18
mekluhttps://together.jolla.com/question/50175/release-notes-software-version-10819-tahkalampi/13:18
CosmicDuckfine, it's working. But in real it's bad to send newsletter mails with links which are not working well, hehe13:19
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mekluha, yeah13:19
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clauis the update already available to everyone?13:49
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ggabrieli didn't force check myself, but the update didn't appear on its own14:22
ggabrielthen again, i haven't plugged it in just yet - maybe it needs juice and then it encourages you to upgrade14:22
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CosmicDuckanother question, i've bought an external bt keyboard which is working fine with us layout. is there a easy way to change the layout to german?15:01
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AL13N_workCosmicDuck: i think there was something like that on tjc15:09
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ShadowJKwish sailfish irc didnt reconnect everytime jolla flips between mobile data and wifi :/15:11
ShadowJK(openvpn on jolla bridges ip changes anyway)15:11
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MoritzJTAnyone knows why Warehouse stopped working with the latest update, is it the polkit thing?15:15
AL13N_workShadowJK: maybe keep the openvpn up and let that route differently15:15
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CosmicDucktjc?15:34
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merlin1991Together.jolla.com15:39
stephgMoritzJT: it's the polkit yes15:40
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MoritzJTstephg: Do we have any info on a fix coming soon?15:47
stephgpass15:48
Jartzabtw. I found out that there's a Nordea Finland -app in 1Mobile store15:48
Jartzabut how trustworthy is 1Mobile?15:49
MoritzJTstephg: Thanks for the heads up :-)15:49
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CosmicDuckdoes anybody have installed the amazon android shop ?16:02
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CosmicDuckok now it worx16:03
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CosmicDuckanother question about android apps, is it possible to silently forbid some of the requested ressources, eg contacts?16:04
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* Nav is getting annoyed by the number of droid apps wanting google play extensions.16:05
NavThere's a reason I don't *have* an android phone....16:05
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NavAnyone else having problems with updates of warehouse apps since upgrading? I just get "Status: not-authoorized Extra details: Failed to obtain authentication." When selecting an update to install.16:29
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Navah, ignore me, looks like its mentioned in the release notes16:30
stephgNav: yep is in the relnotes16:31
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NavWill have to wait for a new warehouse package then16:33
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gexcno swipe-to-install for the store client?16:37
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tigeligexc: not anymore, now it's only through pulley-menu16:48
bennypr0faneI can't send e-mail from an account that was previously fine. I deactivated it in account settings (without making any changes), and after re-activating it, it still recieves e-mail, but won't send ("login failed")16:48
bennypr0fanethis didn't change after update to 1.0.816:48
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bennypr0faneNav, I have the same warehouse thing16:49
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Navbennypr0fane: looks like it'll need a manual install of an updated warehouse package16:49
bennypr0faneNav good to know16:49
Navas for your email problem, are you sure nobody changed anything on the server? :-)16:50
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bennypr0faneNAv, what do you mean "on the server"? like, in settings?16:50
NavI'd make sure your auth type and crypto settings are correct - that caused me problems for a while16:50
bennypr0fanebut it used to work fine before16:50
Navis it *your* server?16:51
bennypr0faneHas anyone else ever disabled an e-mail account temporarily, with problems after?16:51
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bennypr0faneNav, no, it's fastmail.fm, commercial provider16:51
Navsend and receive problem?16:52
Nightmare__Aard: any news on that bug?  it's in 1.0.8.19 too https://together.jolla.com/question/45026/hotfix-opt-in-hotfix-for-connectivity-in-upcoming-update-7/#post-id-4729816:53
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Nightmare__(ip renewal problems)16:54
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bennypr0faneNav, only sending. In IMAP, isn't the outgoing server the same as the incoming one?16:57
bennypr0fanejust looking at my provider's knowledge base: https://www.fastmail.fm/help/technical/servernamesandports.html?u=03c0411b16:58
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bennypr0faneIs seems the Jolla client doesn't let you specifiy what protocol you wanna use, right?16:59
Navyou need to ensure you're using the right settings depending on the port you're using though17:01
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Morpog_PCbennypr0fane, no, outgoing and ingoing servers are always fifferent17:04
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bennypr0faneMorpog_PC: then it's correct that they have different ports, yes?17:05
Morpog_PCyes17:05
Navaccording to their docs, if you've selected Secure connection: TLS for your outbound server then you need to use port 46517:07
Navif you've chosen StartTLS then you need to use 58717:07
bennypr0faneis the outgoing server always SMTP, even when the protocol is IMAP?17:07
bennypr0faneNav the Jolla supports SSL though right?17:08
Navyes, your phone supports either17:09
Navand yes, you always use SMTP for sending17:09
bennypr0faneHow does the client know if I want to use pop or imap?17:10
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Navit doesn't17:10
Morpog_PCit's the same on on your desktop mail client btw17:10
Navyou select one :-)17:10
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Morpog_PCpop on a mobile feels so wrong :D17:12
Navpop *is* wrong17:12
bennypr0faneso I just enter the address of hte server, and the client what protocol it needs to talk to it?17:13
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Navbennypr0fane: I think its imap by default, it *may* decide to use pop based on the port you select, but I can't be certain because I've always used imap17:14
Morpog_PCclient: hey server what protocol are you using? server: I'm using imap you fool17:14
Morpog_PCclient: hey server pop3 request incoming server: wtf client, I don't understand a word, I only understand IMAP17:16
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bennypr0fane:-P still won't work, crud. I mean it doens't make sense that first it works and then it doesn't if I never changed anyhting17:16
Navmore like port 119/995 pop, 143/220/993 imap17:16
Nav110, not 11917:16
bennypr0faneNav got it17:16
Navtypo17:16
Morpog_PCmaybe you used unenecrypted login and your provider disabled that now17:17
Morpog_PC993 / 465 here17:17
Morpog_PCSSL17:17
Anz_so, as the android multitasking icon is gone with latest SailfishOS update, how to exit (not just close) the apps.. or its taken care of already?17:18
bennypr0faneIs there a way to automatically save all my settings into a text file, so i can send it to the provider and have them check it?17:18
bennypr0faneAnz, swipe in from the side?17:18
Morpog_PCAnz_, I guess it's taken care of17:18
bennypr0faneor that not what you mean?17:19
NavAnz_: swipe down to close, swipe to the side to switch17:19
Morpog_PCelse those apps would restart faster?17:19
Morpog_PCbennypr0fane, err, it's like 4 settings to write down you lazy fool :D17:20
Morpog_PCdoes your provider have a faq page?17:20
Morpog_PCtell us the link and we can tell you what to enter17:20
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bennypr0fanesry my connection dropped. I miss anything?17:26
Morpog_PC<Morpog_PC> bennypr0fane, err, it's like 4 settings to write down you lazy fool :D17:27
Morpog_PC<Morpog_PC> does your provider have a faq page?17:27
Morpog_PC<Morpog_PC> tell us the link and we can tell you what to enter17:27
bennypr0faneMorpog_PC: I psoted it above17:27
Morpog_PCi c17:28
bennypr0faneuhm I mean: server: I posted it above17:28
Morpog_PCok everything tehre to know17:28
Morpog_PCshall i tell you?17:29
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bennypr0fanepoint is I have entered what it says there. I was thinking maybe there are some sort of hidden defaults that the user never gets asked about but that make problems for this specific connection. that's what i meant with exporting the settings maybe that stuff would become visible there17:30
Morpog_PChave you chossen the right encryption17:30
Morpog_PC?17:30
bennypr0faneSSL17:30
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Morpog_PCserver for ingoing emails = mail.messagingengine.com with port 993 and ssl17:31
Morpog_PCoutgoing mail.messagingengine.com port 995 and ssl17:31
Morpog_PCerr wrong sorry17:32
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Morpog_PCoutgoing mail.messagingengine.com port 465 and ssl17:32
bennypr0fanewhy 995?17:32
bennypr0faneok17:32
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Morpog_PCand authentification should be set to password17:33
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bennypr0fanecheck and check. exactly what I had all along. for outgoing server authentication, Jolla gives 3 options: none, password, encrypted password. fastmail.fm docs says "plain" so that translates to "password" on Jolla, yes?17:33
Morpog_PCusername and password should be added17:33
Morpog_PCyes17:34
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XenoPLdoes removal of display brightness from main settings screen was on a purpose or just my phone is playing tricks on me?17:34
Morpog_PCtry to enable "accept not trustworty certificates"17:34
bennypr0faneis already enabled17:35
Morpog_PCtry without :D17:35
Morpog_PCXenoPL, it's your device17:35
Morpog_PCbennypr0fane, what the error ,essage you get?17:35
XenoPLdamn, it seems factory reset time17:36
XenoPL:/17:36
bennypr0faneMorpog_PC: "login failed"17:36
Morpog_PCusername should be your email adress17:36
Morpog_PCXenoPL, you could try to update again, but this time from terminal17:37
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XenoPLyok, i'll try, is there some kind of cache for visuals in home dir? maybe something got corrupted there17:38
Morpog_PCsounds more like a corrupted qml file17:39
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kimmolixfade_: ping. got id's for you17:45
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bennypr0fanewhat's this? I'm looking at a black screen on the Jolla that only says: "enter username" "enter password" "cancel" and "accept". I don't even knwo which app this is. Has anyone ever seen such a thing? THis  came up after re-entering the e-mail user name and hitting "save"17:48
bennypr0faneIf this was windows, I'd say it looks like a pop-up with a phishing attack17:49
cb400fcan you minimize it?17:49
bennypr0faneMaybe it's the Jolla account? for some reason, I have three Jolla accounts listed.17:50
cb400f(i.e. swipe from the side)17:50
bennypr0fanecb400f: yes. the cover is exactly what I see in the app window17:50
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bennypr0faneI thought I shouldn't worry about the triple Jolla account since everything but this is normal, but maybe it is what's causing the e-mail problem...?17:51
bennypr0fanecan someone recommend a system monitor app for checking what processes are running?17:52
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cb400flighthouse or crest are fine for me17:53
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cb400fand of course there's a bunch of command line ones already there ;-)17:53
bennypr0faneha, there's one process called jolla-signon-ui!17:53
bennypr0fanewould you enter your jolla credentials in this case? no way this is malware, right?17:54
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kimmoli_sailingkill all those jolla accounts if u had many, and signin with fresh? multiples arent good anyways17:56
TemeVI seem to have jolla-signon-ui process also running, so i guess it's normal17:57
bennypr0faneanyone else have that process running?17:58
kimmoliyep, running17:59
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bennypr0faneagain. this funny black screen after changing my e-mail settings. shuold I try entering my e-mail credentials?18:03
bennypr0fanenothing. giving up :-|18:06
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attahnoooo, my patch didn't make it now either18:07
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MoritzJTHey, anyone using friends app?18:09
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cb400fit's one of the top apps, so I guess a lot of people are :-)18:15
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AJAX555friends app.. I have it installed.. but I dont really use it18:23
MoritzJTDoes the newsfeed work for you, as I only get an access denied error.18:24
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cb400fworkz for me18:25
cb400fI'm using the "official" version from harbour18:26
MoritzJTHmm18:26
cb400fmaybe check your network and your credentials18:26
MoritzJTThe rest works inside the app18:28
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entil[BUG] device lock code query has inconsistent colors19:08
entilwas that something that was fixed? because now it's mostly white for me, which looks surprisingly crappy :/19:08
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pdanek1Hey folks,19:14
pdanek1Do you know how big is the new update please?19:14
pdanek1I'm on limited mobile net, so worth to know.19:14
tigelipdanek1: 440M19:14
pdanek1ouch19:14
pdanek1A LOT!19:15
pdanek1I'll wait then. :)19:15
cb400fI was so eager to install it I forgot to switch to wlan :-|19:15
cb400fif I use more than 1 gig per month my speed gets throttled19:16
pdanek1But it's huge.19:16
pdanek1440M.19:16
tigelimany core packages got updates which means -> rebuilt packages19:16
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pdanek1Right.19:17
pdanek1Long live Palmpilot times...19:17
pdanek1:D19:17
entilargh, a lot of coloring has gone white that wasn't white previously19:18
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cb400fthat should be good for outdoor/sunlight use :-)19:18
entilmaybe I'll have to ask during the day tomorrow whether or not this was intended but it mainly sucks19:19
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cb400fbut the lock screen looks a bit funny with two different colours of text19:19
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entilmaybe, but I had a really cool ambience and now that the colors aren't apparently taken from the picture/ambience anymore so ... shit19:19
entilcb400f: oh, you got it white too, so it's not a bug on my phone?19:19
entilbecause ambiences did change once before, but then it was for the better iirc19:19
cb400fI've only noticed it on the unlock screen so far19:20
entilthe browser too19:20
cb400fyeah, but in turn that has ambience matching background on the "toolbar"19:20
cb400fso that doesn't look weird to me19:21
entilon the background yes, but not on the foreground anymore19:21
entilwhat's your color there?19:21
cb400fwhite now19:21
entilhttp://imgur.com/a/Ag4U3 muh screenshots, those are the colors I'm on19:21
cb400fI thought it was white on green before too.. might have been black on green19:21
entilfor text content white doesn't look awful, but I think it's strange to see it on the browser toolbar etc19:22
entilwhen I'm used to have those kinds of tones there19:22
cb400fI've been having severe problems with daylight/outdoor usage, so I'm happy to have more contrast :-)19:23
entilsome of the whites look brighter too19:23
cb400fbut it needs to be consistent.. and the unlock screen isn't for me (number pad is white, but the typed stuff is green)19:23
entilwhy not just have the camera detect luminance and adjust contrast accordingly ;P19:23
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entilI actually think it autoadjusts even now19:24
entilbut it could do that with colors as well19:24
cb400fat least brightness is autoadjusted when enabled.. dunno about contrast19:24
entilI guess it sucks to complain about this when there are vastly larger problems19:25
entilandroid apps rendered as black screens when I tried running two and swiping to the home screen19:25
entiland app folders are still "broken", or broken in the ux sense that they don't really swipe19:25
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entilhttps://together.jolla.com/question/49352/feature-request-swipe-left-action-to-exit-folder/19:31
entilsome wonderful person had already made a request, please vote for it :)19:32
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entilhttps://together.jolla.com/question/50617/feature-request-pull-down-menu-for-app-folders/19:41
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cb400fswiping from the side and bottom does what you'd expect... maybe you'd expect to be able to close the folder by swiping from the top, dunno... never crossed my mind before19:47
cb400fswiping from the top in a folder does the same as swiping from the top in the launcher itself... so not really counterintuitive19:47
cb400fi.e. locking the screen19:48
pvuorela_cb400f: on lockscreen, numpad white and colored text is commonly used elsewhere. dialer is like that and normal virtual keyboard + text field.19:49
cb400fmaybe there should be a pulley menu option for setting the icon... I didn't realize the icon was configurable until after a few days, when I stumbled upon a youtube video :-)19:49
pvuorela_plus now with white numpad, it's actually usable outside.19:49
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cb400fyep, overall I'm pleased with the new colouring... just looks a bit strange to me with different colours of text.. but that's an extremely minor purely cosmetic issue19:50
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entilwonder how hard swiping can be then, because I've like never screwed up swiping within apps but with folders there's no guarantee the UI goes back19:55
entillike maybe every other time it does? so that's why I figured it reacts only when it interprets it as a tap19:55
entilbut the pull-down menu for app folders would be more important19:56
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cb400fthere's no swiping inside the folder, what should that do?19:58
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entilgo out of the folder19:58
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cb400fto do that you swipe from the side19:59
cb400flike you minimize an app19:59
entilthanks, I never picked up on that. to me it always felt more app-like19:59
entilthat the main screen is like the previous screen on the stack for a folder19:59
entil(I know I'm not the only one who's had this)19:59
entilso that's why I'd prefer to swipe inside the screen... because tapping isn't used anywhere else like this anyway20:00
cb400fwhat apps can you swipe inside to make them go away? ... afaict swiping inside an app is only relevant when there are multiple "pages"20:00
cb400findicated by the little dots top left20:01
entilmaybe I'm not conveying this... the main screen feels like the previous screen on the stack for a folder20:01
entileven though it doesn't have the dots20:01
entillike the brain goes "ok, got into this folder, gonna go back now, leftswipe... wtf"20:01
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entil"tap? really?"20:02
Nicd-you can also just tap on any empty space to go back in app grid20:02
entiland the gesture for minimizing an app really does not apply, though it works20:02
entilNicd-: yes, but that's hardly the point, is it? ;)20:02
Nicd-I think it's logical since it's an overlay20:02
cb400fguess that makes some sense.. I was already used to the folder behaving like this on the N9, so maybe I'm just indoctrinated20:02
Nicd-but pushing to the side would be logical too20:02
entilI never really used the n9 :/20:02
entildidn't know there was legacy behind this20:03
entilif the jolla engineers are really into having this as an overlay, that might also explain why there's no menu - but it's not really nice how the name gets edited, it just doesn't work like anything else on the phone20:03
entiltaking some app-like properties into it would make it more intuitive20:04
entilnotifications are an overlay too ;P20:04
cb400fjudging by the android and iphone people frantically scrolling through tons and tons of apps, I think only a small minority of users bother with organizing stuff in folders though ;-)20:05
* cb400f luvs his folders long time20:05
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pdanekYour best in Flappy Bird on Jolla?20:29
* cb400f never even got through the second hole20:30
ln-720:31
pdanekI can't get pass 39, always like 36, 2x 37, or even 39 2nd time20:32
pdanekI hate the game already.20:32
pdanek:D20:32
ln-how do you even get past 7?20:32
pdanektap tap tap20:33
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chem|stAL13N_work: phone is lost, aka FedEx lost the package20:34
XenoPLonce you practice in Saily Fish, FlappyB is easy20:34
chem|stanyone an idea what to do, no one knows what a real first one will become worth in the future...20:34
AL13Nchem|st: bastards20:35
pdanekyea, Saily Fish is so hard20:35
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AL13Nchem|st: well, i would: contact care to send you a new device including first one TOH, and have them bill fedex for all the costs20:36
AL13Non top of that, ask if care can watch out for someone registering with your old IMEI/toh id20:37
AL13Nand sue that person20:38
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AL13N(and notify their company if it's a theft)20:38
pdanekXenoPL: how much in Saily Fish?20:38
AL13Nanyway, ... need sleep20:39
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XenoPLiirc 9 and FBird 2420:54
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pdanekHave you all seen the new indestructible screen for iPhone 6?21:09
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stephgpdanek1: again? always with the new screen... ;)21:35
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pdanek1stephg: now they have finally made it!21:36
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yacdoes Jolla use ConnMan ?22:03
yacI see someone with jolla email address in authors so I wonder where can I verify this22:04
tbryes22:04
yactbr: can you point me to a git repo or docs or something?22:05
tbrAFAIU most things are very close to upstream. Most likely it's in the mer related github or on mer gitlab22:06
yacoh, got it in a lwn article22:07
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tbrif you're looking for upstream, that's on 01.org22:08
specialhttps://github.com/mer-packages/connman22:09
yacgreat, thanks22:12
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stephgso random question, is anyone's cutespotify working since u8? ← audio I mean22:30
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Elleostephg: you need to update to this version: https://openrepos.net/content/lukedirtwalker/cutespotify22:34
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stephgmore polkit?22:34
stephgeither way thx Elleo :)22:35
Elleostephg: qaudiooutput is properly integrated with resource handling in the latest sailfish image, but that means the manual resource management cutespotify used to do doesn't work anymore22:36
stephgaaah22:36
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stephgcool, well good work on the very quick fix (assuming (and hoping!) that you're also lukedirtwalker ;)   )22:37
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Elleostephg: I'm not, luke's taken over development recently because I don't have time for it22:38
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stephgah. sorry to hear that but thankyou muchly regardless for a fine app22:39
Elleoglad you enjoy it :)22:40
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stephgI do, and I think it's important to credit people for their work, so thanks again :)22:42
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