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narchieany idea why my calendar has tons of black events?06:40
narchiewith no info06:40
narchiejust a time06:40
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Bysmyyrnarchie: you are not the only one, there is some talk in tjc, wait I find it to you06:51
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Bysmyyrhttps://together.jolla.com/question/47151/bug-calendar-has-events-associated-to-no-calendar/#comment-4734106:53
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narchieBysmyyr: ok thanks07:07
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coderusMitakuuluu 0.8.1 Beta2 build: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1433029#post143302910:38
Nicd-oh yes <310:38
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Nicd-testing new mitakuuluu now10:49
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ighea_btw, does anyone know if there is already a QR code reader for Jolla? Can't find any fom the official store at least yet.11:07
SK_Sailfishighea_: check openrepos11:08
SK_Sailfishiirc there is one11:08
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ln-i was wondering about the same the other day ... is there something fundamentally harbour-incompatible with reading QR codes?11:10
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SK_Sailfishln-: wondering11:10
ottulonenighea_: QRScany in OpenRepos11:11
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lrtzno changelog for sailfish maps 1.0.12 -> 13?12:02
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gexcsailfish-maps still unusable in mainland China :-/12:19
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Nicd-microsoft axing 18000 jobs, including 12500 former nokians12:22
tbro.O12:22
Jopeseems it's official12:22
Jopehttp://www.theverge.com/2014/7/17/5911785/microsoft-job-cuts-201412:22
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gexc:O12:22
Nicd-and they will apparently kill the Nokia X product line as well12:23
Jopeyeps12:23
Nicd-"In addition, we plan to shift select Nokia X product designs to become Lumia products running Windows."12:23
Nicd-love that the phones aren't even out yet and they've already been pretty much killed12:24
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Nicd-this happened once before, I seem to remember12:24
leinirHmm, i can't quite put my finger on it, yeah, but it does sound familiar ;)12:24
gexchmm... former nokia with the size 100X of jolla gets axed?12:26
Nicd-jolla: prepare for incoming resumes12:27
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gexcso no more burning platforms12:37
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suosaaskispeaking of nokia, has anyone tried nokias z-launcher for android?12:40
ggabrielgexc: burning window12:41
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intewerent there the meltemi platform witch was abadoned just when it was actually ready12:50
intethe whole Nokia story stinks12:50
intebut it was Nokias fault as well IMHO12:50
intethey should have released a N1000 right after the N900 was out with just a bigger screen12:51
intebut obviously it was not only pressure by microsoft, but also some internal fighting which was going on12:52
suosaaskithey should have released n950, and "lankku"12:52
intei only wonder if nokia will ever build their own phones again12:52
inteyes12:52
intei would have loved to get a n95012:52
inteand they should have sold the n9 worldwide12:53
suosaaskiat the time yes, even though it was outdated already back then, hardware wise12:53
intebut they obviously didnt want to sell it12:53
phdeswerinte: well they did not want the n9 to outsell the new lumia...12:53
intei only wonder why they sold the n9 at all then12:53
suosaaskiphdeswer: for a few months, the n9 outsold all the wp7 lumias combined12:54
phdeswerexisting stocks afaik and some contractual obligations12:54
intephdeswer: and from what several sources say the n9 DID sell out the Lumia 800 despite of the small markets where it was eventually available Ö)12:54
phdeswersuosaaski: it even got a design award ahead of Apple. The thing Nokia (and many other phone manufacturers where after for years)12:54
inte:)12:54
ggabrielnokia: the bigger they are...12:55
phdeswerIncompentent management (or management aiming for selling Nokia cheap to Microsoft)12:55
ggabrieli should have written "the harder they fall..." :P12:55
intephdeswer: thats also what i suspect12:56
inteto many stocks where in us-possesions12:56
inteand i guess its pretty hard for americans to imaging that anyone else could make good software outside of the usa12:57
phdeswerI think the shareholders that pushed it also got a bad surprise when MS bought it waaaay under the price they expected.12:57
intethe shareholders believed that microsoft does good software12:57
suosaaskiaaanyway. I bought two N9s. I later swapped those both to iphone 5, and the iphone was simply a far better phone. Performance wise, bugwise etc. But the N9 could have been great if they had developed it...12:57
inteor, better software than Nokia12:57
inteit must be hard to accept that anyone could do good software except for americans12:58
inteplus, maybe some software companies where panicing12:58
ggabrielsuosaaski: comparison of 2 phones 2-3 years apart intended? :)12:58
inteif the n9 had become a success and the platform evolved to tablets and netbooks12:59
suosaaskiggabriel: 2-3 years apart?12:59
inteyou could, apart from nokia software from the appstores, run any ordinary linux programs, such as open office e.g.12:59
inteon the other hand, MeeGo might have attracted compandies to release commercial software for MeeGo13:00
ggabrielsuosaaski: the iphone 5 is far newer than the n9, top of my head, 2-3 years newer13:00
intee.g. Adobe13:00
suosaaski1 year. iPhone 4S is the same age and the 4S is also far superior to the N9. Just because N9 just never got ready.13:00
intewhich in turn would have ment that this software would run on any linux13:00
ggabrielsuosaaski: if i remember correctly n9 ~= iphone 4 time wise13:00
intelike SuSE or Fedora13:01
intewhich would have been a thread to the Microsoft desktop13:01
suosaaskin9 was released 2011. 4S is 2011 and 5 is 2012.13:01
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ggabrieli think the n9 was ~6 months older than the 4s13:01
ggabrieland just about same age as 413:01
ggabrielmaybe a few months newer13:01
ggabrieli'll give you 1.5-2 years apart then13:02
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ggabrielstill13:02
suosaaskiwell, n9 was "released" in june, but in reality it was available in like october. Which is about exactly the same time as 4S was.13:02
ggabrielsuosaaski: well, the fact that you couldn't get doesn't mean that somebody got it13:03
suosaaskiiPhone 5, as usual, was available in september (2012)13:03
suosaaskiggabriel: nobody got it in the summer. It was nokias curse, they always released phones and then it took months for anyone to get them.13:04
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intenokia had a strong partnership with Intel13:04
inteit could have become a success if they pushed it13:04
suosaaski"strong" might not be the word to use, given they never got a phone out.13:05
intenot to mention the support from the EU they had13:05
inteto somehow gain a bit more independence13:06
suosaaskiquick googling tells me n9 hit stores 12th of october13:06
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intei only wonder13:06
intesince Nokia is still developing their Linux/Qt based interface for automotive13:06
ggabrielsuosaaski: relative, you could buy it online way before that, also google is a bit, erm, unrealiable13:07
intewill they ever use it for phones as well?13:07
intewhat do you think?13:07
ggabrielsuosaaski: anyway, my point still stands :)13:07
suosaaskiggabriel: really? way before that? and you actually got it way before that?13:07
ggabrielinte: i think it's pretty much dead tbh13:07
integgabriel: automotive?13:07
ggabrielsuosaaski: iirc, i got it in august from amazon, but you could get it before that, for a price...13:07
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ggabrielinte: i'm being pessimistic :)13:07
suosaaskireally?13:08
ggabrielsuosaaski: i'd been following it, yeah13:08
ggabrieli bought one when the price was "acceptable"13:08
integgabriel: regarding automotive, or phones?13:08
ggabrielinte: both?13:08
inteah :)13:08
inteor13:08
inte:(13:08
suosaaskiggabriel: umm... really? what do you mean by acceptable?13:08
ggabrielsuosaaski: <600 GBP13:09
ggabrielinte: yeah, best to lower one's expectations13:09
ggabrielnokia's story is sad13:09
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integgabriel: thats true13:09
inteboth13:09
inteon the other hand, I once in a while thought Jolla could be some kind of outsourcing13:09
inteto keep the phone business and development up13:10
suosaaskikinda weird, I have no memory of anyone getting it before october13:10
ggabrielin fairness, any good idea within nokia is better executable by a spin off13:10
inteand they might unite later again13:10
ggabrielsuosaaski: regardless of the exact date, the phone was released in june/1113:10
suosaaskiI bought mine in december, when the price became acceptable (400 eur)13:10
suosaaskiyes, just like the lumia 930 was "released" in april :)13:11
ggabrielsuosaaski: yes, i sholud have waited, but my 5800 was almost dead :)13:11
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ggabrielhaving said that, i'm still impressed with how long the n9 has lasted13:11
ggabrielnot a single scratch etc13:11
ggabrieli don't think i'll ever get rid of that phone13:11
suosaaskithe software just never got done.13:12
ggabrielsuosaaski: i still miss things from harmattan13:12
ggabrielthat no other phone has13:12
ggabrielbut anyway13:12
ggabrieli'm giving jolla a chance ;)13:12
ggabrieland so far, it's very good13:12
thargorI got mine n9 in october13:12
suosaaskiwell, it got far better than what it was when released. But it still had annoying bugs. Like issues when using wlan and 3G, usually after leaving wlan, nothing on 3G would work before opening up the browser and loading a web page in 3G network. After that, mails started syncing again, events feed working and so on.13:14
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suosaaskiReally annoying, and made me not use WLAN ever.13:15
ggabrielit was ok for me13:15
ggabrielin fairness, ios's mail client annoyed me infinitely more13:15
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ggabrieleven though it had copy paste and all that13:15
ggabrielthe grip of death was too much for me too13:15
suosaaskiBut hey, there is still 2 years (or so) left of meego and symbian support from nokia, right? maybe they will release a fix for it... :)13:15
lainwir3dN9 mail client was horrible for me13:16
lainwir3dafter a time it never worked again for me13:16
lainwir3dsync was taking FOREVER13:16
thargorI loved the N9 client13:16
lainwir3d(ok, maybe something was wrong)13:16
thargor*calendar13:16
lainwir3dwell I loved it until it couldn't sync anymore13:17
suosaaskiAnyway, not having my iphone 5, anymore, either (the wife still has hers, until iphone 6 is released I think :))13:17
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ggabrielsuosaaski: fwiw, i'm going back to ios when my work android is finished13:19
ggabrielandroid is too, erm, google13:19
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pp_suosaaski: nope, they promised until 2014 for meego (and probably symbian too)13:21
pp_some spanish company updated the twitter client to a new api in 2013ish, and that was the last update ever (well, haven't booted mine up since I got my jolla :-) )13:21
ggabrieli saw a guy at work with an n9 and i got emotional13:21
ggabrieli should bring mine and play angry birds with him13:21
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ahjolinnaI got Sony SBH52 (stereo bluetooth headset) from my Uncle and it works on Jolla/SailfishOS 100% :P13:26
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lainwir3dParrot Zik works fine too13:36
thargoranother question. Is anybody able to test the change of an exchange password? with the latest update?13:37
thargorI commented on the following question: https://together.jolla.com/question/10908/bug-e-mail-account-password-update/13:38
thargorBut I'm interested if its a problem in front of the display or behind the display13:38
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eyea_UK_Jolla )0!1@ yoh15:56
eyea_UK_how is everyone?15:57
Yanieltired15:57
eyea_UK_lovely new update15:57
eyea_UK_Jolla going from strength to strength15:58
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Yanielyep15:59
Yanielthe lpm is cool15:59
eyea_UK_)01!@16:00
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lainwir3dlpm ? where ?16:08
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Yanielenabled via terminal and mcetools16:13
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Yanieluse at your own risk, kittens may die16:16
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* pahartik would like to know how to get past "ssu update" "Device is not registered, can't update credentials"17:24
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specialpahartik: that's only relevant for people using internal, jolla-employee-only repositories17:25
specialpahartik: if you're seeing it when trying to update, do: https://together.jolla.com/question/3944/fatal-error-authentication-failed-is-ssu-set-up-correctly/#post-id-396817:26
pahartikspecial: I see17:26
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pahartikspecial: It seems to have worked, but still no update offered for "Sailfish Linux 1.0.5.19"17:43
specialpahartik: as in, you're using 1.0.5.19 now?17:43
pahartikspecial: Yes, it is running fine17:43
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kimmolixfade_: ok18:35
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pdanekGood day!19:37
pdanek1) Is charging my battery every single night, whole night, lowering the capacity over time?19:37
pdanek2) Is getting battery to 0% too often lowering the capacity over time?19:37
pdanek3) Vice-versa, is charging battery when it's still on 60% or so, lowering capacity over time?19:37
Nicd-1) no 2) no 3) no19:38
coderus1. no, controller cares about it. 2. yes if you don't charge battery for a long time. 3. no19:38
suyhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ask-ars-the-best-way-to-use-a-lithium-ion-battery-redux/ for a more general answer19:41
ln-2) li-ion batteries don't like being used till empty, 3) li-ion batteries like being recharged early19:42
coderuslion have no memory effect, it only loses charge if discharged for a long time or overheated19:42
coderusjust keep lion active all the time and it will work best for you19:43
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Nicd-ln-: but the phone hardware won't let you use it until it's completely empty19:44
Nicd-I mean TO a completely empty state :P19:44
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Nicd-so normally using to 0% is not a risk19:45
phlixi[2014-07-17 21:42:49] <coderus> lion have no memory effect, it only loses charge if discharged for a long time or overheated <<<- but my Jolla is always pretty hot when charging...19:46
phlixiunfortunately i do not know how i should mesure the actual temperature19:47
phliximaybe there is a sensor i might ask? (and if yes, how?)19:47
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ShadowJKNicd-, leaving it at "0%" still accelerates wear substantially19:48
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stephgphlixi:19:48
ShadowJKwhere "Leaving it" means putting it away for a few weeks19:48
stephgthe csd tool has one19:48
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phlixithanks stephg19:48
ln-Nicd-: in any case, using it till 0% has other disadvantages. (e.g. not being able to make a phonecall when your house is on fire)19:49
Nicd-ShadowJK: exactly, but the phone itself won't allow it19:49
stephgphlixi: there'll be a device you can find but I don't know what it is19:49
stephgstracing what csd has open will show it tho'19:50
Nicd-so using to 0 % and then charging is not bad19:50
ShadowJKNicd-, I specficially mean the 0% as declared by the phone.19:50
ShadowJKReal 0% is insta-death19:50
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ShadowJKmore or less19:50
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pdanek1cool, thx for answers19:54
pdanek1Because that's what I thought.19:55
pdanek1My above questions were probably valid 10 years ago.19:55
pdanek1Yet my Android colleagues were convincing me today, that they still are! :)19:56
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ShadowJKIn the ni-mh age, chargers were pretty bad, and would often destroy the batteries. (No such thing as memory effect, except in space)19:56
kimmolifor Li -topologies, charging battery full and then storing it at 100% is propably most bad thing you can do to them19:56
ShadowJKI would say empty is worse19:56
kimmoliyeah really empty19:57
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ShadowJKBelow 3.5V19:57
pdanek1kimmoli: Li-topologies? I thought that "1. no, controller cares about it." --> like it doesn't charge anymore when it's on 100%, just uses energy from AC19:59
ShadowJKsame thing19:59
pdanek1Because I keep Jolla every single night on charger, for ~8-9 hours.19:59
pdanek1Is it bad?19:59
ShadowJKno19:59
kimmolino that shouldnt be19:59
pdanek1People in office tell me it's bad.20:00
ShadowJKThe lifetime of Li-Ion is around 2 years, but extreme measures will make it shorter, and extreme measures could make it slightly longer.20:00
pdanek1:)20:00
kimmolimy laptop e.g. charges to 100%, then uses it to 90% and keeps it there, until charger plugged in next time when it again charges it first to 100%20:01
ShadowJKCharge it to 70% or so, put it in a zip-lock bag, put it in the freezer. Life extended to 5-10 years. But what's the point, you can't use it.20:01
kimmolibut that you should do for spare battery, which you intend to use after 2 years...20:01
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Anz_anybody here using QuasarMX audio player.. how to rescan for new files?20:02
pdanek1:D20:04
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coderusAnz_: go to playlists view (3rd), memu - current playlist - rescan folders20:06
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Anz_thank you coderus :)20:09
Anz_so, got past 1 more SailfishOS bug.. (stock media player failing to play files with low sampling rate).20:12
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SiddeAnz_: that one does affect all media players using the same library i'll guess20:13
Siddeit's really annoying and no one seems to work on it20:13
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Anz_Sidde: yes. very less votes on its tjc thread.. may be because not many users are affected. Felt terrible when I realized ~1500h of audio (the only thing I'll ever play on phone) isnt going to work.20:25
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SiddeAnz_: lots of audiobooks are affected20:27
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juicememmh, any DBUS gurus around...?20:45
juicemew00t, ping20:46
juicemespecial, ping20:46
juicemechem|st, ping20:46
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juicemeOdd that it seems, the latest SFOS update changed something in the sync framework;20:47
juicemeI was using this command to force sync on mail: dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail'20:48
juicemebut after the update to 1.0.8.19 that does not work any longer...20:49
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juicemeinstead it gives me the following error:20:50
juiceme[nemo@Jolla ~]$ dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail'20:50
juicememethod return sender=:1.20 -> dest=:1.121 reply_serial=2 boolean false20:50
juiceme[nemo@Jolla ~]$20:50
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juiceme1.20 is the "synchronizer", buteo probably20:53
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juicemeand it _does_ have the interface function "com.meego.msyncd.startSync()" available, I just checked...20:54
juicemeso what gives?20:54
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phlixihmmmm23:16
phlixiconnected to charger (for a while now, its full) and now it starts to vibrate every 1-5 seconds (more or less randomly...)23:16
phlixiit never did that before :/23:16
phlixiadditionally display turns on everytime and the chargings notice pops up23:17
phlixiany ideas how to stop this?23:18
phlixi(besides taking off the charger... i want to rsync a big folder over night, therefore it should be connected...23:18
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pdanekDo you guys know the old series Computer Chronicles?23:50
pdanekIt's so much better than any of computer/mobile reviews of today. :P23:50
pdanekCan't stop watching it.23:50
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gexcif MS is axing nokia feature phones, just considering to grab one for backup/FM radio, etc.23:54
gexcand looooong battery life :-)23:55
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