#jollamobile log for Friday, 2014-07-18

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fennekkiit's weird to think that less than a week with normal usage used to feel like there was something wrong with the battery00:45
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pdanekDo you guys also have some serious 3G connectivity issues after new update? :O Or is it coincidence?01:02
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lpotterpdanek: issues such as?01:28
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zhxthello, morninng...01:59
zhxtJolla opened a shop on Taobao?  http://qiantiguan.taobao.com02:00
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gexcprobably not jolla02:21
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gexcsellers in taobao tends to overclaim02:23
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covoxphlixi: check that the micro USB connector is secure02:38
covoxI have a few crap cables which only connect if the plug is pressed a certain way02:40
zhxt__gexc: they say  they've got official franchise.  I'm not sure whether it is true.02:57
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covoxI was almost convinced until I saw http://gd3.alicdn.com/imgextra/i3/58396602/TB2iWQhXVXXXXXnXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!58396602.jpg03:02
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TMavicawhy china have Jolla on sale? not Hong Kong05:58
TMavicahttp://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.22.39ryx1&id=39867115496&ns=1#detail05:58
TMavicatheres a certificate...fake or ?05:59
Bysmyyrthat is not official05:59
TMavicathey say the product com from HK05:59
TMavicachinese menu05:59
Bysmyyrhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/jollapioneer/permalink/669965573092910/06:00
Bysmyyrthere is some discuss about that06:00
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ruskiehttp://motherboard.vice.com/read/you-can-now-send-messages-even-when-you-dont-have-cell-service <-- hmmm having something like that on a TOH?06:25
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DeeGeeWhat could cause a 3g data connection to ping properly, but not transmit data? On Saunalahti 3G if you switch the APN to internet4 you can get public ip that isn't NATed, but the data connection bugs out like that.06:30
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Nicd-jolla is going to start selling in india, according to finnish news06:36
Nicd-translated: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltasanomat.fi%2Fdigi%2Fart-1288715719049.html&edit-text=&act=url06:37
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gexchmm... has the january batch sold out yet?06:40
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gexcit seems recent units emerged in china are jan ones06:42
entilDinghy founders of the Small Hill :D06:42
gexcthose claimed to be for HK06:46
gexcwith serial #21xxx06:46
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gexcappearly they have been in warehouses for quite a while :-/06:47
pp_wrong channel, anyway, 25k+ android support downloads are a good indicator of sales :-)06:49
Nicd-https://plus.google.com/u/1/+jolla/posts/h4imuKg2zyU -- official source about india06:50
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Nicd-and now on http://jolla.com/ too06:51
entilfingers tightly crossed that they'll sell like wildfire in .in06:51
Nicd-press release: http://jolla.com/media/documents/Jolla_Snapdeal_press_release_July18_2014_FINAL.PDF06:51
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gexchope HK would be next officially06:53
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gexcspeaking about sales number, Xiaomi often claims they have sold 100k units within several units LOL06:57
gexc^minutes06:58
entilseems legit06:58
ruskiehttp://www.gizmag.com/inkcase-plus-e-ink-smartphone-case/32996/06:58
* gexc finds it amusing06:58
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juicemeallright, answeing to myself :)07:25
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juicemeso foor some reason the name of the profile in Buteo had changed, and for that reason I could not initiate the sync with com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail'07:26
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juicemeit works just fine when I do: com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail-2'07:27
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juicemeI do not know if this is due to the change to 1.0.8.19 or was it because of something I did myself....07:28
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VDVsxjuiceme, sync is now per account, so profiles have account number after the name07:56
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juicemeVDVsx, I guessed so much08:11
juicemeso this is related to the fact that there are possibility to have multiple profiles with one account?08:12
VDVsxjuiceme, why you need to call that manually anyway ?08:12
juicemeI have a bit more complicated requirements for my mail syncing, hence I do that from crontab :)08:13
VDVsxnot only, same plugin can handle multiple account with different settings, so separated configuration files08:13
juicemeokay. not really needed by me, I only have one account / one profile in my email08:14
VDVsxok, you can check the xmls under .cache/msyncd/sync/, if you have more than one account08:14
VDVsxso just change the profile name in your cron job, it won't change unless account is re-created08:15
juicemewhy I did that syncscript-from-cron-thingy in the first place, it used to be before 1.0.8.19 that there was no control at all for IMAP type account syncincg.08:15
VDVsxyup, all accounts were syncing at same time08:16
juicemenow, there is better control but it still has limitations :)08:16
juicemebut I am happy with my sycscript now. I assume there's not that much difference regarding battery usage etc. since cron sleeps most of its lifecycle anyway08:17
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juicemeat least I have been unable to measure any degadion of usable batterytime08:17
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sledges12:07 < lbt> So there's a fishy odour in the air...09:08
sledges12:07 < lbt> smells like haddock09:08
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sledges12:07 < lbt> yes ... the Hardware Adaptation Dev Kit 1.0 - http://releases.sailfishos.org/sfa-ea/2014-07-18_SailfishOSHardwareAdaptationDevelopmentKit.pdf09:08
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juicemesledges, \o/09:09
SK_worksledges:09:09
SK_workwait what ?09:09
SK_workHADK out ?09:09
SK_work<309:09
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lbtwe'll take HADK detailed technical stuff into #sailfishos-porters too btw09:14
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TemeVSo this meand I can expect to have sailfish for my nexus5 soon? :)09:31
chem|stjuiceme: pong09:31
chem|stjuiceme: I am back home on sunday evening if you want to catch me09:32
Nicd-TemeV: it means you can port sailfish for the nexus 5! :)09:33
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TemeVNicd-: I was hoping for someone else to do it... :)09:39
TemeVNexus 5 is so beutiful piece of hardware, so it earns a better os :)09:40
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stephgoooh09:47
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TMavica_JollaJolla 100% sale in Hong Kong in 6/809:54
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Nicd-100% sale? so for free? :P09:55
TMavica_Jollasell09:55
TMavica_Jollalol09:55
Nicd-so you mean jolla is going to start selling in hong kong on the 6th of august?09:56
TMavica_Jollayes09:56
Nicd-what's your source?09:56
TMavica_JollaFrancis09:56
Nicd-francis?09:57
TMavica_Jollachina jolla ceo09:57
TMavica_Jollai heard from amanda lam09:57
TMavica_Jollaall Jolla phone in warehouse in Hk, not allow to sell yet. dont know why leaked to China09:58
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Nicd-so your source is not Francis, it's Amanda Lam10:00
TMavica_Jollafrancis , he told to her and told mr10:01
TMavica_Jollame10:01
TMavica_Jollait is ridiculous leak to china10:01
juicemechem|st, no problem, I already found the solution. the DBUS message to sync email had changed.10:02
TMavica_Jollahi juiceme10:03
juicemeTMavica_Jolla, hiya10:03
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covoxsledges: niiiice10:07
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AJAX555did jolla have 4g support already?10:39
ighea_yup, LTE10:40
AJAX555ok10:41
AJAX555was it since june?10:41
mdxthsince june update10:42
AJAX555ok10:42
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messertingI am trying to be able to read a DVD on a vnc connection to my F20 box without having to enter the root password. How do I do that?10:55
messertingsorry, wrong channel10:55
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HarhaanJohtajaandroid support shows +25 000 downloads10:57
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covoxheh11:46
covoxthat MerSDK VM turned out to be remarkably easy to trash :)11:46
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covoxupdate enough packages inside sb2 and eventually you'll hit coreutils or something that breaks the binfmt associations outside of the container11:51
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specialcovox: hm, strange12:05
specialcovox: I've been using the same one for almost two years12:05
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Nicd-so microsoft is killing asha too12:07
ruskietime for jolla to get some more interesting devices out there12:08
Nicd-just last summer I was in a devaamo event where some guy was presenting asha and was really enthusiastic about it, saying it had a bright future12:08
Nicd-crazy how fast things happen12:08
ighea_too much variation in a one single company12:09
ighea_otherwise the asha devices were quite nice pieces of hardware and software12:09
pdanek1http://rimblogs.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/blackberry-passport-assistant_blackphone.png12:10
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covoxspecial: probably just my blundering, beforehand I think I might have ruined the package index with ssu12:12
pdanek1ighea_: is Asha nice HW-wise?12:13
covoxthis is why it pays to write your build steps down :)12:13
gexcasha's are more drop-proof ;-)12:14
ighea_pdanek1: depends on what you expect from such device. if it is extended battery life with some modern features with sain price nice could be the word one might use.12:14
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pdanek1nice12:21
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ighea_ashas are budget phones by design but that does not make them complete waste of time and money12:22
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ighea_would be actually a good idea to buy one to use as a backup phone.12:23
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gexcmaybe several years later there wouldn't be spare batteries available?12:25
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covoxahhhh it wasn't binfmt, I just... somehow wiped /bin with armv7hl stuff12:39
AL13N_workeee12:42
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kimmoli_sailingheh, LaTeX fail... omfg wut Nitpick12:52
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kimmoli_sailingbut maybe i have problems in my life12:53
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AL13N_workyou're not the only one12:57
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eyea_UK_Jolla )0!1@ joy13:05
eyea_UK_how is everyone13:05
eyea_UK_?13:05
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ighea_fine, thank you13:06
ighea_happily enjoying my wireless charging capable piece of phonelike hardware which is still a real computer in disguise making wonders13:07
eyea_UK_Jolla joy13:07
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eyea_UK_do you think jolla is alot like a computer13:08
eyea_UK_PC13:08
eyea_UK_?13:08
Nicd-it is a computer13:08
eyea_UK_nice I miss my N90013:09
ighea_pluck mouse and keyboard and start typing13:09
suosaaskiall of the phones currently are "computers"13:09
gexcno mouse yet13:09
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Nicd-suosaaski: not just "computers", they are computers13:09
Nicd-not PCs though13:09
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suosaaskialthough, they are personal. And computers. :)13:10
eyea_UK_though jolla is my current lovr13:10
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eyea_UK_long live Jolla13:10
gexcis it possible to compile the newly released xorg and get xwayland on jolla?13:10
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eyea_UK_long live Sailfish13:11
suosaaskiif only jolla had modern hardware it would be a far more interesting choice.13:11
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gexcesp. more ram LOL13:12
Sail0ris it possible to listen for twitter messages on dbus?13:12
suosaaskimore ram, horsepower and especially a nicer display would be... nice.13:12
eyea_UK_this is just the start13:12
suosaaskiyup13:12
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suosaaskibut still, for the price of jolla, you just get soooo much higher specs, hardware wise, from an android device.13:13
gexcwould the spec be different if STE was still able to provide the soc?13:13
Bawaltoo bad the android still doesn't run smoothly on those specs...13:13
eyea_UK_I am an x Nokia Maemo meego user13:13
eyea_UK_though  love jolla13:13
eyea_UK_noe13:13
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suosaaskiBawal: well, it is starting to. Finally. With kitkat and all those specs. But as I said, hardware wise.13:14
suosaaskiFor example LG G2 and Nexus 5 both offer quite a bit of punch for the same price.13:14
gexcmaybe there was many compromises for a sudden change of soc last year13:15
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suosaaskimaybe yes. But the screen/display is by far my main complaint. Performance of the device is "ok".13:15
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eyea_UK_true13:16
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eyea_UK_well said13:16
suosaaski245ppi and nothing special quality wise is a bit of a turn off after being used to higher quality displays.13:16
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gexcthe green is nice though...13:17
suosaaskithe green? :)13:18
gexcoutdoor performance is :-/13:18
gexcgreen color looks nice on the screen13:18
gexcmaybe just a trick to the eyes13:18
eyea_UK_how many agree that Sailfish is an nicer mobile Linux option compared to droid13:18
Nicd-everyone13:19
roboroindeed :D13:19
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eyea_UK_I have loved mobile Linux since Maemo13:21
suosaaskiI would not draw any conclusions as it is very new. There has been so many features missing and bugs that if one would do a direct comparison, it would not be a better OS. Not even close. But it is getting better all the time (although after every update there seems to be complaint about some bugs), that one needs to ask that question again in a year or so. Things might look a lot different. :)13:21
eyea_UK_anyone els13:22
suosaaskiI might say that Sailfish is the most interesting OS, but also the most incomplete. For now.13:23
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sjtoiki haven't read the topics in a while, so have you seen anything about phone behaving oddly after battery drops below 70% ?13:24
* gexc finds to battery level to be 69%13:24
Bawalyes, but even so, after i've gotten used to sailfish i find every other mobile os very clumsy to use13:24
roboroit has its limitations... but I prefer it to android just on the grounds that it is closer to a full blown linux distribution... you can ssh into it, get root, run whatever you want in shell, compile and port linux applications... that rocks13:24
gexcnothing odd for now13:24
suosaaskiBut anyway, hardware wise, it would be nice to see what sailfish looks and performs like on decent hardware. Like the LG G3... :)13:25
sjtoikgexc: mine restarted suddenly, when i tried to open app store13:25
gexcnot happening here13:26
roboroBawal: agreed... I think the UI is much sweeter than android... there are some annoyances, but overall there is better integration, gestures are good and full blown multitasking... all are definite plusses in my book13:26
gexcthat impedance problem again?13:26
sjtoikplugging the power adapter cleared the issue and i was able to update the phone13:26
suosaaskiOr, oneplus one13:26
sjtoikgexc: what again?13:27
suosaaskialthough the oneplus one apparently has a mediocre screen. But for the price... the specs are nice13:27
ighea_Yes, I wan't my next Jolla to have x86 hardware running at least intel core i5 with 8GB of ram. Like the ubuntu edge, or whatever it was, was supposed to be.13:27
roboropersonally, I don't have any gripes about the hardware for Jolla... a few missing features perhaps, but I like the performance I get and battery life outlasts anything else I have ever owned13:28
gexcloose battery, but it should be solved in recent releases13:28
suosaaskiubuntu was supposed to have the fastest quadcore mobile chip available, 4GB of RAM and 128GB storage.13:28
gexcat least software-wise13:28
suosaaskito be honest, the current android phones are not that far from the ubuntu specs anymore...13:28
ighea_plus 12 hours of operational time while playing games and all that fit into the current form factor of the iPhone5s, but slimmer13:28
AL13N_worksuosaaski: how are you gonna get 4GB ram, if you have a 32bit os???13:28
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ighea_aaaand a nice dock to pluch the thing into13:28
suosaaskiAL13N_work: of course it would not have been 32-bit.13:29
gexcwould sailfish run literally cooler on a high spec phone than android?13:29
AL13N_work"would have been"13:29
suosaaskiAL13N_work: the specs they said it would have.13:29
* gexc tried sony z1, which is hot13:30
AL13N_workit's not good when phones run too hot13:30
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roboroespecially if you keep your phone in your pocket... next to your vitals13:31
AL13N_workgexc: due to a lot of native programs, chances are high it might be cooler13:31
roborounless you live in a very cold climate13:31
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gexcat least android apps runs hot on jolla13:31
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AL13N_workroboro: like, south pole13:32
AL13N_workwhere you can freeze your nuts off if you pee outside at night13:32
roboroheh... I thought you were referring to what lives next to my pocket... not the place :D13:33
roborooooer...13:33
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suosaaskiAL13N_work: and, by the way, you can get 4GB of RAM with a 32bit OS...13:41
suosaaskibut it is not that ideal.13:41
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ighea_time to upgrade to 64bit then13:41
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suosaaskiit is getting there. iOS already did.13:42
ighea_or take it all the way to the next step with 128bit system!13:42
ighea_or how about 1024bit system? that would be quite some bits to last for a longer period13:42
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ighea_and don't start mumbling about some pointless things like... overhead! pfft13:43
ighea_nonsense. we have the power! more clockspeed, bigger batteries and less worries13:43
gexcnuclear batteries?13:43
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suosaaskihttp://oneplus.net that would be nice to test with sailfish13:46
ighea_yeah, why not? life is sort anyway so why waste it by waiting for batteries to charge13:46
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gexcany possibility getting sailfish on x86 win8 tablets?13:51
Nicd-there's at least 3 major obstacles: 1) unlocking win tables, 2) getting drivers for it and 3) modifying sfos to work as a tablet os13:53
ninnnuI suppose none. And even if you did get it to run, there wouldn't be any apps because everything in the store is compiled for arm13:53
AL13N_workbut, if you could unlock it you could put ubuntu on it :-)13:53
AL13N_workhahaha13:53
Nicd-ninnnu: #jollasuomi13:53
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ninnnuNicd-: "damn, did I get the language wrong?"13:54
gexcso those tablets are not 'pc's?13:54
ninnnugexc: Sailfish isn't PC OS13:54
gexchmm...13:54
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AL13N_workmaybe you could install vbox on it and get the sdk on it13:54
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gexclol13:55
suosaaskinot that much unlocking for those x86 win tablets to do. Just disable secure boot from bios?13:55
ninnnusuosaaski: Yeah, I suppose only ARM-Win8s (WinRT, that is) are fully locked.13:56
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AL13N_work... for now...13:56
gexcwell locks are sick13:56
ninnnuYeah, might be different with Win9 :/13:56
ninnnuOr at least when the Secure Boot was introduced, the speculation was that Win9 would require the lock.13:57
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fennekkiWin 8-approved x86 devices *must* allow you to disable secure boot, IIRC, whereas ARM devices must *not*.14:15
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King_DuckZhello, what do I have to install to have xmpp chat?15:24
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grzywaczKing_DuckZ, nothing, just configure an XMPP account in Settings and use the messages app15:34
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King_DuckZgrzywacz: ok found it, thanks :)15:37
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King_DuckZI also have a problem sending files to my jolla phone through bluetooth, I can send .mp3, .jpg and .gif fine, but I can't send anything else, I tried pdf, ogg, flac, txt... nor I can sync my contacts from my nokia n815:39
King_DuckZI have this same behaviour from both my linux pc and symbian n815:39
King_DuckZbut it works the other way round15:39
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King_DuckZwell actually I didn't try15:40
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King_DuckZhow can I fix that?15:47
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Londonnhello16:43
Londonntell me please, how long Jolla corp. will be supported and updates every his device?16:43
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Yanielhard to tell in advance16:45
SK_workIMO, there will always be bugs, so they will keep with this pace for quite some time16:45
Yanielbut so far there have been more or less monthly updates since sales launch16:46
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LondonnFor example: I'll buy the first device, it receives updates. Jolla releases second device. How long after this point will be the first device to receive updates? )16:54
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Yanielthey have not said anything about that16:57
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FireFlyThat's a pretty good question though17:00
FireFlyPerhaps something to ask on tjc17:00
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coderusdepends on how much different new device will be released17:00
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FireFlyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/44929/support-time/ apparently there's a (rather poor) question on tjc already17:03
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Londonn16 - 18 month is very small. as android devises. will be nice us ios or more long us ios17:10
Londonnops as17:10
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FireFlyI downvoted the answer since it presented rumours as facts.. (AFAICT)17:15
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YanielI don't expect jolla to drop support for a good while17:16
Yanielthey can't afford that17:16
FireFlyI agree17:17
Londonnmaybe-maybe17:18
Yanielno really, they can't17:18
Yanielthey are too small and have too few devices on the market for that17:19
Londonnwill look17:19
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LondonnAnd where you can find beautifu ambiences for jolla?17:25
Yanielwherever you find beautiful pictures17:26
Londonnmay be deviantart?17:27
YanielI haven't found much quality stuff there tbh17:28
Londonni see jollawalls.com - dislike17:29
Yanielbutninterfacelift ispretty good17:29
Yanielinterfacelift even17:29
Yanieland wherever you usually get your pictures from17:29
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Yanieljust crop something that looks nice17:29
Yaniel(or cross your fingers and don't)17:30
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pahartikspecial: System upgrade option eventually appeared in GUI17:47
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dunpHere Is Jolla :D wold be nice if "nokia" make it :D18:56
Nicd-no, keep nokia out of this18:56
dunpbut if it start to make here phones.. :D18:57
Nicd-nokia's not going to be making phones for a while18:57
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tango_meh, the jolla browser has the same svg rendering issues as chrome and firefox, plus more 8-P19:00
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tango_also, I can't seem to find a way to save-to-disk once I open an svg19:01
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* pahartik tried to update to current "Sailfish Linux", but now it is at lock screen and does not accept PIN it had before22:33
pdanekhttp://youtu.be/LS5n4UhlF4Y?t=2m20s22:38
pdanekFully touch sensitive keys.22:39
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prometoyshi, does anybody use successful an android app, which needs google maps? I couldn't find any hints in the web or on together23:42
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prometoysI installed google play store and maps, but car2go crashes23:43
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