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inteim wondering if the jolla supports 2g edge aka 2,5g01:18
inte2g dataspeed seems quite sloe01:19
inteslower then id expect with edge01:19
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ighea_it does, what was the speed you expected?06:52
ighea_more than 22KB/s? pfft06:52
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fluxwas it really that slow07:50
stephgflux: you young whippersnapper ;)07:50
fluxwell, I've used GSM without packet data..07:50
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fluxbut indeed 236.8 kbps was the EDGE speed, so you're quite lucky to get 22 KB/s07:54
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pp_9600bps dialup <307:59
pp_@ 0,30e/minute08:00
stephgpp_: happy days ;)08:03
Jopefor n = 0 to 2 : print "those were the days" : next n08:03
pp_yep, I remember how incredible it was to irc from a car :D08:05
pp_laptop had something like 1h of battery... tops...08:05
Jopeyeh08:05
JopeI took my first CSD connection some time in 199608:05
Jopedad's mobira 5000 + nokia cellular data card08:05
Jopenaturally had to go on irc immediately08:06
dr_gogeta86thp, is in da house ?08:07
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tbrpsh, analogue modem and FAX over FM based cellular mobile phone networks08:10
* tbr whistles a CONNECT08:10
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ruskiehttp://www.dovecot.fi/dovecot-launches-a-gmail-api-compatible-rest-api-to-enable-third-party-developers-to-join-its-global-email-ecosystem/ <-- hmm10:20
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chem|stanyone an idea how to get thumbnails to be recreated?11:04
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tadzikhuh, Jolla things have X-Maemo-things in .desktop files11:09
specialwe use libcontentaction for .desktop files, which comes from meego and maemo11:11
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chem|sttadzik: you see "history" all over the place11:25
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chem|stlads, after recovering my device after 4 weeks I am pretty much fed with it... I rolled back my backups from when I sent it to care - not booting after upgrade - rolling back home only - not booting - recovering vault only - not downloading upgrade11:28
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tadzikoh!12:02
tadzikchem|st: did you try "systemctl --user restart tracker-miner-fs.service"?12:02
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chem|sttadzik: got it working, it wasn't a tracker issue, gallery and ambience chooser did just not properly update12:04
tadzikaha, I see12:04
chem|stI had the "oops" with the thumbs as background12:05
chem|stI have like 200contacts more after the recovery, guess it is unmerged contacts12:06
chem|stmay I just put connman config files into var or does it need more than that to recover wlan settings?12:06
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tadzikthis damned QuasarMX downloaded wrong album arts and hid them who-knows-where12:20
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tadzikaha! .mediaartlocal12:21
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tadzikcan I safely remove the entire .thumbnails?12:28
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intedoes the Jolla support EDGE aka 2.5G?12:32
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inteDataspeed on GSM seem incredibly slow to me...12:33
intethanks12:33
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ighea_still asking the same question, yes it does support that.12:34
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ighea_and yes, it is freakishly slow for anything related to using of modern Internet12:37
inteighea thanks12:38
specialugh12:38
special(wrong channel)12:38
inteyes I fell asleep yesterday and somehow my backlog didnt show anything related :-)12:38
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inteighea_: is there any possibility to display if Im currently on GPRS or EDGE?12:39
intecould be usefull since my provider didnt support EDGE everywhere12:40
inteAnd GPRS *IS* really slow12:40
ighea_afaik, by looking at my Jolla's screen, there is no indicator for such, at least not for the time being12:40
inteits just that it feels like GPRS all the time (but I know my provider supports EDGE at some areas)12:41
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Siddeit just says 2g and no indication of edge no12:41
inteighea_: well it could display "2.5G" instead of "2G" if Im on edge12:41
inteI guess former (Symbian) Nokias did that12:41
tbryour best bet is to look at ofono output on dbus12:41
inteor was it Windows Mobile (sorry :-))12:41
ighea_actually it should display E or something as EDGE is actually 2.75 or something ;D12:42
inteighea_: :-)12:42
Jareit doesn't display 3.5G when you're on hspa, so...12:42
ighea_2.5 is 2G with data aka GPRS12:42
tbrthere was also another boosted EDGE thing, but I think nobody rolled that out12:42
ighea_perhaps you best bet would be to create a new question on the related pages12:42
inteJare: yeah that would be another nice feature (HSPA indicator)12:42
Jareanyway iirc ofono does provide that info12:43
intejare, tbr How do I do that?12:43
inte*ofono*12:43
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ighea_tbr: yeah, I think Evolved Edge was dead on arrival :)12:43
tbrlook at "dbus-monitor"12:44
inteighea_: yes your right regarding the GPRS - 2.5G thing :-)12:44
inteighea_: what was HSCSD, btw - 2.25G? :-)12:44
* inte looking dbus-monitor12:44
tbrwasn't HSCSD just time slot grouping?12:45
ighea_now you have stepped outside my league into "lets take a look at wikipedia" ladder12:45
* tbr remembers turning off error correction to get 14k4 on single slot CSD12:45
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Jareinte: if you want to use the info in an app, then dbus. For viewing: "contextkit-monitor /run/state/namespaces/Cellular/"12:45
Jareshould be the datatechnology field12:46
inteJare: cool!12:46
* inte "Cellular.DataTechnology" = QVariant(QString, "gprs")12:47
inteexplains a lot I guess :-)12:47
tbr9k6 goodness12:47
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ighea_still better than the first analog modems12:47
tbror again 14k4 if error correction is off12:47
ighea_so no whining!12:47
inteI will invoke that again when I'm sure that I'm in an EDGE covered area12:48
Jarehave a look also if that changes when you transfer data, sometimes edge/hspa/similar might be dropped in an idle mode12:48
inteJare thanks I will12:49
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ighea_hmm... while transferring data my phone still says gprs on expected EDGE network12:51
jmlichI have noticed, there is something about "remote security" (Remote wipe of the device) in release notes. Where can I find configuration of this feature?12:51
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inteighea_: I could swear I had EDGE in this area before12:55
intehowever, i dont have any other phone that would display the edge symbol at hand right now12:55
intejolla displays GPRS for me as well12:56
inteand data speed is sloooooow12:56
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intehow is your dataspeed on 2G in your EDGE-covered area?12:56
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intetbr hscsd wasnt too bad that time. I had a cardphone 2.0 and the speed was quite ok12:57
tbrcardphone <312:58
tbrhad one too12:58
tbreven worked as a super bulky smartphone in my Jornada 720 ;)12:58
inteI even had a Bosch/Siemens (dont remember the model #) for a while which was the only phone to support dataspeed up to 56k12:59
intetbr hehe I only had a pcmcia wifi card in my ipaq running Linux around 2000 or so that was fun as well :)12:59
ighea_inte: ~200kbps13:00
inteighea_: well then its defineately EDGE13:00
ighea_determined by netradar13:00
intethanks13:00
inteyeah netradar is pretty cool13:01
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meklu:O13:01
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meklumy first phone, the Nokia 6150, was 141g13:02
mekluand so is the Jolla13:02
intemaybe Eplus changed something in their network settings since they are mergin with O2 in Germany and I dont know if O2 supports EDGE at all13:02
ighea_I'm within 4G coverage, but I prefer 2G because of the obvius battery life reasons. I can just toggle the network by using Radio Switch if necessary.13:02
intemeklu: hehe13:02
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inteighea_: so there is no 3G in your area? 3G standby doesnt seem to much worse than 2G13:03
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intemeklu: my first phone was a Nokia as well *of course*: Eplus PT11 aka Nokia 2110.13:03
ighea_inte: oh we do have, but the difference is tremendous13:04
ighea_at least on my use cases13:04
inteWas a good phone, they even brought out some Lithium Ion batteries years after it was released :)13:04
inteighea_: I once heard 3G coverage can be higher than 2G when switching cells often, but it could be even better when your not moving13:05
intedont know the details behind that claim, though13:05
intenot coverage13:05
intei ment barrery usage13:06
intebattery13:06
intedamed13:06
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ighea_please, do not attempt to fix that one too :)13:06
intehehe13:07
inteyeah13:07
intewas too late yesterday. I guess I need some coffee :)13:07
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Jareinte: well i'm not seeing edge there either, but i'm getting ~150/60 kbps in a 2G network, which is basically ~edge speed13:10
inteJare: yeah thanks it obviously not possible to gain this information out of contexkit-monitor13:11
inteI will try netradar13:11
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inte117 kbit/s13:20
inteafter several failures13:20
inteso Im on EDGE as well, thanks @all for comments13:20
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chem|stinte: vote for the technology indicator display on the transfer icon @tjc if need be!13:30
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chem|stjmlich: ah yeah, share when you find it!13:31
intechem|st: I would if I'd find it... :)13:33
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intehttps://together.jolla.com/question/7075/cellular-data-service-info-gprsedgeumtshsdpahsupa/13:34
inteprobably13:34
* inte upvoted13:36
specialnice URL13:36
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AJAX555crash reports, when?14:15
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AJAX555also, does anyone have any idea why jolla crashes every 7 days?14:16
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artemmaSomebody called me on my Jolla during a doctor appointment today. Had to remove battery as UI froze so that it didn't even show who was calling. Amazingly it didn't prevent ringing tone from playing14:20
BysmyyrAJAX555: btrfs problems?14:20
artemmaNot a nice feeling to explain that I tend to have half working phone due to my profession :|14:21
artemmaInterestingly after booting up again there was even no call in the call log, like it never happened. Fortunately the caller has sent SMS as well so I managed to conenct back14:21
artemmasorry, but shame on jolla14:22
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AJAX555Bysmyyr: dunno14:23
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stephgAJAX555: output of btrfs fi sh and btrfs fi df /14:30
stephgwill tell you if you're flirting with space issues14:30
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AJAX555meh, doesn't want me to connect to it using putty14:42
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AJAX555oh yeah.. it was devel-su and not su14:49
BysmyyrAJAX555: find that article from tjc14:49
Bysmyyrthere is command how to test that14:50
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pdanekAre you still excited about mobile hardware?18:16
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RzRhi xfade_19:10
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RzRis there anyone here who can introduce me to xfade_  ?19:10
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nad6234does anyone know of any jolla/sailfishos podcasts?19:30
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inteis it possible to add voip accounts?19:58
intejust noted there is a setting for intercall-ringtones but what is it good for...?19:59
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nad6234inte: is it international calls? a different ring tone for them?20:32
intein my translation its internetanruf20:34
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inteinternet calls in english20:35
intesee for yourself20:35
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nad6234oic. internet calls. yeah that's more likely!20:35
intenad6234 its in the sounds and signals settings20:35
inteyeah but how do i make internetcalls?20:36
nad6234inte: you are right. good question20:37
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intei would need to add some sip/skype/gtalk/jitsi/whatevervoicecallprovider first20:37
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chem|stinte: voip is not setup yet22:27
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chem|sttelepathy bits are missing22:28
intechem so this is a setting for future use?22:28
chem|styes22:28
inteah thanks22:29
chem|stI don't know if it is taken in account for android though22:29
intewouldnt it be possible to copy the skype telepathy plugin from the n9 then?22:30
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chem|stI am waiting for sip as I have LTE coverage now and could have my landline "extended" (lag on UMTS is horrible)22:30
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inteyeah22:30
chem|stinte: I have no clue about tp-plugins but I doubt that it is that easy or we would just have the full telepathy stack at hand22:31
chem|stfind someone to provide a proof of concept and jolla will take it from there22:32
chem|stat least that is what "he" said22:32
intei have no clue about tp eithet but i thought it was somewhat standardized and open source...22:33
intewell lets wait until sip gets available for jolla in the first place. cant be long if the ringtone settings are already there:)22:36
chem|stinte: they are there from the beginning and the "we take over if someone provides a working plugin"22:37
inteoh. thought they where new. never noticed them before...22:38
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pdanekgoodbye everyone!22:55
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