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Sail0rsearching through journals is so slow :(06:33
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Sail0rJul 24 07:19:53 jolla DSME[588]: thermal: Suspicious battery temperature 47 (previous 52)06:34
Sail0rfor some reason all logs since JUn 09 are lost in journalctl oO (it crashed yesterday)06:35
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chem|stinte`: https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/12:00
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* tbr is becoming REALLY pissed that people keep bumping the SIP question as if this would be a feature that jolla must deliver. They specifically stated that they expect the community to bring this forward and would be willing to integrate/enable it if it proves to be working.12:07
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pp_wpa2 enterprise is a bit similar :-)12:15
chem|stthe missing bash completion is really pissing me off right now!12:19
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chem|sttbr: I'd be more pissed that they even dare to ask jolla to fix mitakulu12:21
tbrpp_: there people figured out and then jolla implemented the changes12:21
tbrchem|st: don't use that, so don't notice those questions. I'm subscribed to the SIP question as I'm actually trying to make it work and know whom to poke for help.12:23
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chem|sttbr: I am not subscribed either just noticed it on the activity page12:24
tbr:)12:24
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chem|stbut honestly, there are some things I expect jolla to have a hands-on... if sfos shall be successful in any way it needs to come with a powerful jolla-featured base12:27
pp_tbr: UI still lacking I think12:29
tbrpp_: yes, but at least the original manual edit way works now12:29
tbras for some time wpa_supplicant was "broken"12:29
chem|stand from the looks of it, I do not want some random coder destroy the UI implementation - bad enough that jolla listens to loud minorities12:29
chem|stpp_: ehrm no, the bug was fixed upstream and iirc before jolla released...12:31
tbrbut currently I'm hacking on push notifications12:33
chem|sttbr: I am still recovering the previous state of my phone...12:35
tbr:-/12:35
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eyea_UK_Jolla )0!1@ joh13:01
eyea_UK_how is everyone13:02
eyea_UK_all good?13:02
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eyea_UK_is Jolla 2 due next year?13:03
eyea_UK_any road map13:04
eyea_UK_or spec13:04
tadziknothing specific iirc13:04
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tadzikI'd recommend just buying one instead of waiting for something to maybe-come :)13:06
eyea_UK_i am.on my.jolla13:07
tadziksupporting Jolla is the only way to expect things to happen in the future13:07
tadzikoh, I can see that. I also keep pressing . instead of space :)13:07
eyea_UK_right now13:07
eyea_UK_yep13:07
eyea_UK_)0!1@ is nice13:08
eyea_UK_I moved over form N900 and N913:09
tadzikI don't know what )0!1@ is, frankly :)13:09
eyea_UK_jolla )0!1@13:09
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Tememm wot mate13:10
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Temeif )0!1@ is some sort of leetspeek for Jolla then that is not very consistent since the L:s are not the same :D13:11
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tadzikoh, I see it now13:11
eyea_UK_yah13:12
eyea_UK_yes13:12
eyea_UK_thats right13:12
eyea_UK_it just a call sign13:12
eyea_UK_when i enter channel13:12
eyea_UK_sorry if it a bit silly13:13
ahjolinnagog.com linux launch promo: http://www.gog.com/promo/linux_launch_promo_24071413:14
mekluit's got some good stuff there13:14
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inte`tbr: I just got confused by the internet call ringtone setting which is already there13:52
inte`I was wondering if the Jolla got a feature which I hadn't found yet.13:52
tbrinte`: it is all prepared, just some smaller bits are missing13:52
inte`yeah already learn about that13:53
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* tbr should try again with the audio hack and test that everything still works on update 813:53
intezrtp would also be nice when voip is eventually integrateded13:57
tbrinte: that's on a whole different level. For that you need to go down the stack and get it into telepathy13:58
tbrjolla just uses telepathy framework and its protocol handlers13:58
inteok lets start with sip in the first place :-)13:58
intei can still use skype for secure stuff13:58
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tbrLOL\13:58
intejust kidding :-)13:58
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tbras said, sip should work, with the audio workaround where you need to hold the phone upside down13:59
tbrdialling out I'm not sure how that would work, probably for now from CLI13:59
tadzik. o O ( you're holding it wrong )13:59
intewhat is that about holding the phone??14:00
tbrinte: with the pulse audio hack you get audio from the speaker and mic is the ambient mic on top of the phone14:01
tbrso to use it you just hold it upside down14:01
inteok14:01
tbrthere is _zero_ audio routing, so headsets etc won't work14:01
tbrthat might come later once we get more working as a community14:02
intewhouldnt it make sense to use use the regular speaker and mic?14:02
intei mean, it would14:02
tbrI know whom to poke for a favour14:02
intebut is that so much more difficult to implement?14:02
tbrinte: no sh*t sherlock. Read the TJC entry, audio policy prevents that.14:02
inteah14:02
intethanks14:02
tbronce we get more things working, see above14:02
inteso jolla would actually have to deal with that14:03
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tbr< tbr> I know whom to poke for a favour14:03
intejust curious, since i never used it14:03
intewould i have to hold the phone upside down with skype for android as well?14:03
tbrno idea, never tried it14:04
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inteok thanks14:04
tbrbut same person does that stuff, so if it was fixed for skype it can be for SIP14:04
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dr_gogeta86w00t, are you here ?15:16
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dr_gogeta86w00t, find it https://github.com/amtep/tojblockd15:31
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* kimmoli day is saved " you're holding it wrong" ... :p16:04
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gexcgah... my laptop still buzzes after a fan replacement16:14
gexcpossible loose screws?16:15
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javispedrohi hello16:20
javispedroquick question: recommended prepaid sim card provider in .fi for 3-weeks only visit?16:20
javispedro(i'm sadly not the one coming)16:20
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Oni^javispedro: go to nearest R-Kioski and buy one there are few choise16:28
raa70there is probably tele.fi(sonera), dna and saunalahti(elisa)16:30
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raa70basically they all cost the same16:33
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javispedroI used to suggest elisa, but can't find info about the plans online in english any more16:35
javispedrothough I'll tell to just look around the kiosk16:35
javispedrota!16:35
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raa70I think most diffrences are in data cost and speed16:36
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pdanekCan 5" smartphone reasonably replace ebook reader?18:28
pdanekOr way too small?18:28
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tbrpdanek: I suspect it will depend on personal preference. Easy enough to try. Take a book that size and read it. Or print a few pages at that geometry18:38
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* inte was using an ipad as ebook reader for a while19:44
intesucks19:44
intehard to read in the sun, e.g. at the pool19:44
inteplus the battery gets empty pretty fast19:45
inteI prefer regular ebook readers for reading19:45
intemuch more useable19:45
intemaybe the eink toh could provide a solution to this...19:45
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phlixibut also depends on usage scenario, for example for dayly 2*20minutes commuting, batery and direct sun is no isue, but carring another device sucks... In the end I guess you should simply try ;-)19:46
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intewell, i woulndt consider 20 minutes commuting as "reading" in terms of reading lord of the rings19:47
inte:-)19:47
intefor that the jolla is surely good, and the 5" just fine19:47
inteI just wouldnt read an entire book on the phone, like on vacation, at the pool19:48
intethat would suck19:48
phlixiin fact i think its still to big, i prefer n9/iphone size19:48
phlixiand i think what kind of vacation is that, i can read in my living room :D19:49
integlady you could install SailfishOS on the N9 as well :-)19:50
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phlixibut, yes, also in the living room, i would probably prefer a seperate ebook reader. then i do not care to have  adedicated device19:50
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intephlixi: when youre traveling with your girlfriend in summer they mostly prefer beaches or pools19:51
inteboring like hell to me19:51
intebut most girls tend to like that19:51
inteso... reading is the only solution19:51
pdanek1I hate beaches and pools.19:51
* inte too19:51
inteme too19:51
intewell beaches could be nice if there is a bar and they do good cocktails :-P19:52
phlixibeaches are nice, with or without bar...19:53
phlixi...but not for 3 weeks^^19:53
tigeliinte: get few kids.. it will not be boring anymore :D19:53
inteexactely19:53
phlixii guess that has nothing to doo with the beach19:53
intetigeli: oh I know, you always have to watch them at the beach19:53
inteone more reason not to do a beach vacation :)19:54
inteI actually prefer sailing to beaches19:54
inteif its related to water19:54
tigeliinte: yeah, I was at the beach with 3 and 6 year ones.. had to play "daddy is a shark" for few hours :D19:54
phlixiTHATs boring :D19:54
intehowever, also no easy task when it comes to small kids19:54
intetigeli: hehe nice :)19:55
intephlixi: no not if you do some bigger trips19:55
intelike overnight turns19:55
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* inte even catched a yellow fin tuna once :)19:56
intetigeli: well you can do some beach tennis as well if the kids get a bit bigger19:56
inteshould be fun19:56
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pdanek1tigeli: "daddy is a shark" pff.... I'd play daddy is a sailfish!19:57
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integood point19:57
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tigelipdanek1: :D does sailfish eat people? ;)20:06
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tigelipdanek1: http://i.imgur.com/KNQKi.jpg ;)20:06
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pdanek1tigeli: http://blog.aardvarkmcleod.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/img_0639-cropped.jpg20:15
pdanek1tigeli: pretty scary for 3-year old :P20:16
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tabhoohey jollaers, is therr an app similar to flux for sailfishos/jolla? https://justgetflux.com22:33
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