#jollamobile log for Friday, 2014-07-25

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Sazpaimon_so i dont know if this is old news or not, but alien dalvik doesn't appear on myriad's site anymore. Is it no longer supported?03:18
bef0rdhttp://www.myriadgroup.com/products/device-solutions/alien-dalvik-inc-alien-vue/03:25
Sazpaimon_oh wow there it is03:30
Sazpaimon_sorry, i couldnt find it via google03:30
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bef0rdyea, some links 404, they could be moving stuff03:47
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arkkipiiskaMoi, I accidentally email 250 meg video, now email is stuck. Any ideas how? I deleted the msg's from outbox to no avail05:12
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PeperJohnnyMaybe turn on offline mode and delete it then?05:12
arkkipiiskaI've deleted the msg's but still issues syncing the boxes05:13
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stephgarkkipiiska: a drastic measure would be to delete and re-add the account? may be quicker than letting the phone try and sync the stuff itself05:41
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arkkipiiskadunno what I did but it's working now, it was stuck for 14 hrs07:05
stephgleft it on overnight plugged in to do its thing?07:05
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arkkipiiskasomething like that I suppose07:14
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tillis there a way to force the jolla to stay in a 4g network, even if 3g/2g has a much stronger signal?09:06
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tbr-fitill: it used to be possible to set ofono to 4g only over dbus, but beware, this effectively disables phone calls and maybe also text messages09:13
tillthanks, that might be okay. can I use the radio switcher app for this?09:16
ShadowJKIs there still no copypaste, or am I too stupid to figure it out?09:22
Nicd-there has been copypaste from the start...09:23
Nicd-if you highlight something, it's copied. you can paste with the keyboard (press the clipboard icon)09:23
ShadowJKhow do I highlight09:24
Nicd-press a piece of text and hold09:25
ShadowJKI held and counted to 20, nothing happened09:26
Nicd-where?09:27
Nicd-I think you can only copy text that is in a text field09:27
ShadowJKi need to copy either from email or from a website, and paste into a text field09:27
Nicd-there's an unofficial version of the browser with text selection, I think coderus did it09:28
Nicd-with email you'll just have to hit "reply" and copy from there09:28
ShadowJKugh, switching back and forth to manually type in doesn't work either, text field gets cleared each time :(09:29
ShadowJKI'd whine on tjc, but I probably couldn't copypaste password there to log in ;)09:30
Nicd-you don't remember all your passwords? :P09:30
roborohunter209:31
svuorela< roboro> *******09:32
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roboro:)09:35
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* roboro is sad to see that basic voicemail notification is still not present on his Jolla09:36
roborowhat is up with that?!!!09:36
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Nicd-what notification?09:36
SK_workdepends on operators09:37
roborothe one that usually appears in the form of an icon on the homescreen or in the notifications area on every phone I've owned since I first had a mobile phone09:37
SK_workNicd-: a notification indicating you got voicecall09:37
SK_worksome send them some don't09:37
roboroI've never been on a network that doesn't09:38
roboroI've lived in three different countries and been on multiple networks09:38
SK_workroboro: there are some of them09:38
SK_workvery rare09:38
roboroindeed... so because 2 networks in the world don't send messages... Jolla decides that we no longer need to support the most basic phone feature in the world09:39
roboroits actually embarrassing#09:39
Nicd-roboro: I've always just got an SMS09:39
javispedrohey, around here, I've actually _never_ seen a network send the voicemail notification09:39
Nicd-I've never seen any other type of notification either09:39
roborosomeone actually called me the other day and asked me if my shitty beta phone wasn't working, because he had left me 4 voicemails and I still hadn't called him back09:40
roboroum... I don't just randomly check voicemail09:40
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ShadowJKive never had voicemail and never left voicemail.. i guess its a highly regional thing09:41
sharpneliSame here. Why leave voicemail when you can send an sms?09:42
sharpneliMost importantly sms is far faster to read than listen to a voicemail09:42
* javispedro has SIMs in 4 countries + US and not one of them sends the standard GMS voicemail notification09:42
Nicd-sharpneli: it's cheaper for the caller09:42
javispedro*GSM09:42
roborommm... I had voicemail in South Africa, Spain, the UK and the US... on my Android phone... I got notifications for all of these09:42
javispedroroboro, from these countries I have SIMs in most Spain providers and Three on UK09:43
javispedronone sends the normal voicecall notifications09:43
roborothat's odd... I've always got notifications09:43
javispedrospecially in Spain it's way too hard for operators to resist sending SMSs which they also fill with ads09:43
Temevoicemail, what the fuck is that :D09:44
Temei've seen my check his in the 90s09:44
Tememy dad*09:44
javispedroroboro, note I mean standard GSM voicecall notifications which on older Nokias lighted up the "voicemail" indicator09:44
javispedroroboro, all of those operators send verbosy SMS instead09:45
roboroyeah... javispedro that was the GSM voicemail goody I was referring to... I have never gotten an SMS for voicemail in my life09:45
roboroodd09:45
roborosaying that voicemail is outdated is like saying MMS is outdated...09:46
Temeyeah, they are09:46
roboroits true... there are much better technologies, but as long as other people use the old technology... your phone looks like a piece of shit if it doesn't support them09:46
javispedrotbh this was one of my complaints during the early day, that there was supposed to be a standard way of voicemail notifications but no operator used it because they wanted to send you the verbosy sms with ads ("you have new messages. cheaper calls with our new $GARBAGE 3.99/month plan!"09:47
roboroand you sound like an arrogant twat telling people that they should stop using these technologies09:47
Temei am also not arguing that they should not be supported - if i were deciding they would be among the last features to implement since there are a lot more important things that a smartphone needs09:47
javispedrolike Twitter!09:47
* javispedro sighs.09:47
roboroTeme: get a computer... smartphone should primarily be able to function as a normal phone09:48
tbr-fimaking calls is the least used feature on my smart phones09:48
Temeroboro: can't use my gaming rig on the bus :(09:48
roboro:)09:49
Temetbr-fi: indeed09:49
roboroanyway... now at least one of my friends has started teasing me about what a pile of crap my phone is...09:49
roborothat's gonna spread09:49
Temeand i don't mind sounding like an arrogant twat when it comes to using outdated protocols other than just for fun09:49
Temei would leave voicemail only as a hipsterish joke09:50
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javispedroI am 100% sure voicemail is way more used worldwide than data.09:51
Temeyou are probably right09:51
sharpneliTeme: After reading teletext and sending the important info via fax?09:52
javispedroremember what google voice started as09:52
javispedrobasically a free voicemail service.09:52
javispedrothat was less than a decade ago.09:52
Temesharpneli: i would prefer using Sanla M 90 for all communication but sigh...09:53
sharpneliThankfully you can put the annoying as #?/()&/(! beep as your SMS sound09:54
sharpneliJust like what I did09:54
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TemeVSanla :D gotta love that message tone :)09:58
javispedrohm hm how could I get a jolla TOH printed with my desired color?09:58
javispedroI have obviously no easily accessible 3d printer09:58
Nicd-javispedro: ask http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=3509:59
javispedrointeresting10:01
ShadowJKspeaking of teletext, that was number one complaint about the new IPTV over fibre service rolled out here. No teletext.10:01
Nicd-I remember when digital tv was coming, they said teletext would become advanced and would look like real webpages10:02
Nicd-now in 2014 we still have regular teletext10:02
sharpneliShadowJK: In the same realm having only a mobile phone is baaaad because you cannot plug in your fax machine anymore!10:02
TemeVthen they realized that they can just put real webpages to tv10:03
TemeVand also make the browser so laggy, that it's unusable, but that's another story10:03
javispedroyou can actually plug your fax machine into your mobile phone!10:03
ShadowJKnicd, one of those digital tv advanced tt standards required a phoneline, and modem in set top box10:03
ShadowJKso that they could bill for it10:03
ShadowJKobviously it died instantly10:04
* pahartik has not yet tried voice telephone call on "Jolla Mobile", IPv6 routing over mobile network is much more important feature10:04
tbr-fithere were several evolutionary attempts at teletext, but I think none saw significant adoption10:04
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javispedrothere was even a standard to send java applets over dvb-t10:05
tbr-fiare there any operators in .fi that offer an IPv6 APN?10:05
pahartiktbr-fi: Not that I know of, I just use protocol 41 tunnel with heartbeat10:06
tbr-fi"meh"10:07
pahartiktbr-fi: Same as with "Nokia N900"10:07
tbr-fifinland used to pride itself to be on the forefront of technology and innovation10:08
tbr-finow you can't get ipv6 at all from any ISP nor operator (with IIRC nebula being the exception among the ISPs)10:09
tbr-fiand it remains to be seen if FICORA manages to get them to deploy as they promised recently10:10
javispedroso I guess you're also seeing operators actually dropping ipv6 support there10:10
tbr-fiif it's anything like CERT-FI, they probably won't get their head out of their arse for a year10:10
javispedroall the fanfare a few years ago when 1 (_one_) operator made their homepage ipv6 accessible10:10
* tbr-fi is impatiently sitting on some router vulnerability for a year now10:10
javispedro(nothing else)10:10
Nicd-finnish ipv6 status: http://ape3000.com/ipv6/10:11
javispedroand now they just dropped the AAAA record silently10:11
pahartiktbr-fi: I did hear something about FICORA ~1 month ago, but did not check for details10:11
javispedroI guess IPv6 is now passé, like fax.10:11
javispedroor voicemail.10:12
tbr-fiNicd-: pretty much as expected. all the big ones are red10:12
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tbr-fipahartik: yes FICORA announced a push during the TREX workshop about a month ago10:12
tbr-fipahartik: ISPs are asked to sign up by october-ish IIRC and then should go to production within a year10:13
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Nicd-there's also https://www.viestintavirasto.fi/viestintavirasto/ajankohtaista/2014/suositusteleyrityksilleipv6nkayttoonotostakuluttajalaajakaistaliittymissa.html (recommendation of ipv6 adoption for consumers)10:13
Nicd-but of course it's just a recommendation10:14
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Nicd-oh yeah, this? http://www.trex.fi/2014/national-IPv6-launch.pdf10:15
Nicd-does that mean they have to have ipv6 available next year?10:16
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Nicd-or is it just an invitation for those that want to?10:16
tbr-fiNicd-: it's sort of an open thing10:16
tbr-fiapparently they are hoping that some of the bigger ones will sign up and create a market pressure10:17
Nicd-like that would happen10:17
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tbr-fi"FICORA invites all broadband and web service10:17
tbr-fiproviders to participate the event."10:17
meklu"on March 2014"10:18
meklu"on March"10:18
Jaremmmh, i can already hear the flood of support requests coming, when consumers get their hands on ipv6 stuff x)10:18
tbr-fiplanned launch, next year's IPv6 day10:19
meklu"has to be send to Ficora"10:19
meklu:(10:19
tbr-fiyes, it's a completely toothless thing with the hope that it magically catches on10:19
pahartiktbr-fi: It is good, something is happening10:20
tbr-fito no surprise there were no comments about ISPs that had already signed up10:20
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mekluisn't nebula practically the only one?10:20
tbr-fimeklu: see Nicd-'s page10:21
mekluah, right10:22
tbr-fiit's sad, as the technological capabilities are there10:22
tbr-fie.g. Sonera was boasting that they now offer IPv6, about a year or two ago. If you asked them it was "Uhhhh, no, it's a business feature! Here sign up for a 120€ net/month business connection instead of 20€ gross."10:23
mekluit's funny because a lot of ISPs have already reserved IPv6 blocks10:23
mekluouch.10:23
mekluor rather, had already reserved IPv6 blocks in the years long past10:24
tbr-fiand actually the "if you asked them" took me _three_ months to get an answer10:24
tbr-fitheir whole infrastructure is fully capable of IPv6. They just can't get their arse up, as it would cost money to deploy and they very much prefer to stuff that as bonus into their pockets.10:25
tbr-fihell even the CPEs they send their customers are preconfigured for IPv610:25
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pahartiktbr-fi: I just look forward to get native IPv6 routing, could disable IPv4 default route soon after10:45
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ccha2hum, after reboot, all alarms settings are gone. any way to get they back ?11:13
ccha2I reboot it because gsm network can't be selected11:14
ccha2where alarms data are written ? file or database ?11:15
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stephgalarms from the clock app you mean? ccha211:18
ccha2yes11:19
stephgit's a service called timed11:19
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Sail0rone week without jolla or more :(11:24
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Sail0rshould I send the device for repair with other half attached or without?11:37
Sail0rAnd as it's one of the firstones when it is exchanged gets the new device the Firstone status also?11:37
Jopethe firstone status is in your jolla account11:38
JopeI would send it in with the white toh, not the first one toh11:38
Sail0rok11:41
Sail0rdoes the factory reset wipe all data or should I erase the data before and do a factory reset afterwards?11:42
Nicd-it wipes all data11:42
Nicd-but not memory card11:42
Nicd-I forgot my memory card in the phone when I sent it to service, lucky they didn't format it :P11:43
Sail0rbut they copied your porn :P11:43
Nicd-sharing is caring11:44
Sail0rhow long does it take on average to get the phone back?11:44
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Sail0rand why did you send it in?11:44
Nicd-sim card holder was bad11:45
Sail0rk mine has a broken vibration alert11:46
Sail0rand frequent reboots11:46
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Sail0rbut a week without jolla :x how to survive it? ^^11:50
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msvb-labAnybody else having problems accessing the *.jolla.com web servers?12:22
msvb-labAre they shut down for maintenance or something like that?12:23
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Nicd-they work just fine for me12:23
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msvb-labNicd-: Okay probably a local network problem then, thanks.12:27
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msvb-labThink it's a combination of high MTU and ICMP blocking along the routing path.12:30
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eyea_UK_Jolla )0!1@ joh12:45
eyea_UK_how is everyone12:45
eyea_UK_all good?12:45
arkkipiiskayup, freezin my ass off12:51
eyea_UK_really12:52
arkkipiiskanope, not really. 28,6 celsius here12:52
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eyea_UK_same12:52
eyea_UK_in London12:53
eyea_UK_whats new12:53
arkkipiiskalast vacation days and I'm in Ilomantsi12:53
Yanielweekend \o/12:53
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Yanieland it is hot around tampere12:53
eyea_UK_nice12:54
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kimjubtw, do not play Ingress with a Jolla. although it works fine, Niantic/Google sees it as "using third-party tech to access the game" which is prohibited by their terms of service and will either send you a warning or outright ban you from the game.13:52
Nicd-ping tbr13:53
Nicd-for the above13:53
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coderuswut? Jolla opened shop in Kazachstan?13:53
coderusKazachstan*13:53
coderusKazakhstan**13:53
tbrNicd-: I was involved, but thanks :)13:54
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Nicd-tbr: involved? you were banned?13:55
Nicd-coderus: source?13:55
tbrNicd-: no, was trying to get things sorted out and see why some people with jolla phone got banned. Most of the credit for trying belongs to others though.13:56
Nicd-that's shitty of google13:56
Nicd-but so is most of the stuff they do nowadays :/13:56
coderushttp://jollafr.org/jolla-ouvre-sa-premiere-boutique-au-kazakhstan/13:56
tbrIt falls foul of one of their security checks and they can't be arsed to figure out how to allow it, also because it's not an official google product13:57
Nicd-coderus: :O13:57
Nicd-their own store! not even Finland has that13:57
coderushttps://www.facebook.com/JollaCIS13:57
pdanekhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2014/07/jolla-towards-new-markets-kazakhstan_24.html13:57
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Nicd-anyway, good for jolla :)13:58
artemma#jollamobile or #sailfishos probably better.. webcat also probably doesn't disable scripts or the likes at suspend13:58
artemmaah, messed up with copy-paste13:59
artemmaLost 44% of battery power in an hour of internet browsing today lunch time13:59
artemmaand phone got so hot I could try frying eggs on it ;)13:59
coderusany info about jolla price in KZ?13:59
coderusah, found it, 89 000 tenge14:00
coderus$48414:00
pdanekThat's a lot for such market.14:01
javispedrokimju: wtf? more arguments fo google haters14:03
pdanekGoogle is fine.14:03
javispedroartemma, so many cores, so uselessness.14:03
javispedroartemma, maybe one could try disabling one of the cores and setting max cpufreq to a reduced value14:04
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javispedroartemma, I don't know who you were replying to, but since entire phone suspends during, well, "suspend", webcat can't "not disable scripts"14:05
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rubdosSince I installed the new update, I used 2GB of mobile data in one week. Any clue if this is a bug or something?14:08
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rubdosNormally, I used to use only 1.5 GB in one whole month...14:08
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rubdosI even didn't watch any videos or download any heavy material.14:09
EztranSounds like checking what's using it might help, really.14:09
rubdosYes indeed. But how can I?14:09
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tadzikI had a similar problem, wasn't able to solve it14:11
tadzikhttps://together.jolla.com/question/49993/jolla-eats-a-lot-of-mobile-data/14:12
EztranThere're a few apps around for tracking network usage, IIRC. There's nethogs on OpenRepos, probably better solutions around too but I wouldn't know.14:12
rubdostadzik, you're saying 70MB in 3 days, I have 2048MB in 7 days.14:14
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rubdos6 days even... Hell, that's a lot of data in no-time!14:14
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rubdosAnd what is this... The counter on jolla says 8.6KB downloaded and 0.2MB uploaded on mobile network. I've never reset the counter.14:16
EztranIs it still using that amount of data now, or was it a one-off thing?14:17
kimjujavispedro, yes, nice of them to be this anti competitive.14:20
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tadzikrubdos: well, you say you used to use 1.5 in a month, I've never used more than 100 MBs, so I guess our usage differs a little bit14:21
rubdosEztran, it's still that way. I rebooted it several times during those 6 days. I wont turn on mobile anymore, it'll cost me a little more after those 2GB14:21
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rubdostadzik, yes, I use it to browse, but I never reached 2GB in not-even-a-week.14:22
EztranOuch. Still, does mean even just starting some by-process network monitor would probably find your problem pretty quickly.14:22
Eztran2GB in 6 days is really on another level, something is very wrong there.14:23
rubdosEztran, 'kay, what did you say I had to install? nethogs? Let's see openrepos :)14:23
rubdosIt's like NSA is watching naughty video's through my phone...14:23
EztranThat's probably it, yeah =)14:23
rubdosOh shit. Do I have to reïnstall openrepos since the new update?14:24
rubdosexcuse me for the s* word :o14:25
EztranOh. Er, yeah, IIRC.14:25
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rubdosI can't install it...14:31
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Eztranmissing deps, package problems?14:33
rubdosno idea, tried using a reinstalled warehouse, install-button doesn't do anything. Tried downloading the rpm and now there's a spinning icon with nethogs underneath it, but I got an Unable to install message14:34
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rubdosmissing pcap apparently14:35
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EztranBah, deps.14:36
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EztranSearching suggests libpcap's in mer-tools, enable that first =)14:39
rubdosfound that too... Running the appropriate commands :)14:40
rubdosYay, installed14:41
rubdosNow I'll reboot to restart the homescreen. It's stuck on the installing-nethogs-icon :P14:42
coderusanybody from kazakhstan here? :)14:42
rubdosEztran, thank you, I'll leave that application open for a while now :)14:44
EztranHopefully that'll turn up something using too much data. If not, something is even more wrong =/14:44
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rubdosIf not, I'll send back my Jolla for a reflash I think ;)14:45
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rubdosGreat, I had some huge usage on what the nethogs thing calls a Program: "213.224.145.17:993-MY_IP:36926"14:49
rubdosOw. That's my mailserver. Cool14:51
EztranWas about to say, 993 is IMAP, right?14:51
EztranSo... email sync going mad, maybe?14:51
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rubdosCould be. I'll sync over WiFi in an hour, so I'll tell afterwards :)14:52
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rubdosAnyway, thank you a lot, Eztran :)14:52
EztranNo probs, not got much knowledge on it but can try =)14:53
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Sailor8545_An hour ago, I crossed the border, switched from 3g to 2g and it took really long time to Jolla to connect to roaming network. even reboot didn't help and the place definitely had signal. Is it normal?16:09
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stephgSailor8545_: you switched from 3g to 2g or it switched?16:15
Sailor8545_I did, manually. When I switch from 3G ti 2G it always reconnects entire connectivity, but this time, it could not connect.16:16
Sailor8545_Maybe problem with network operator?16:18
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Sailor8545_Another thing, when I switch from prefer 3g to 2g only, it always reconnects entire GSM connectivity, why?16:19
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sharpneli@ropecon. Tried to play stuff from youtube. No sound from headphone output.16:31
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sharpneliThe sound bug seems to mute both speakers and headphone plug16:33
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Sailor8545Was there ant other phone in the past with something like The Other Half?17:12
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suosaaskinokia 5110 and xpress on color things17:18
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Sailor8545but nothing like I2C or other HW connectivity, right?17:20
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suosaaskinope, apart from some wireless chargers or other sort of accessories like game controllers (which usuallu connect to usb or lightning)17:34
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kimmoliaah. thanks for reminding me... need to order some pcbs17:38
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bennypr0fanehello I just tried to sync my Jolla's calendar with owncloud, but it didn't pick up the device's calendars, it just sent its own calendar to the phone. I sthat the standard behavior?20:10
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bennypr0faneoh my, this party is really happening, isn't it?20:37
stephgparty?20:37
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bennypr0fanestephg can't you feel the vibe of this channel bustling with life? :-D20:56
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stephgcourse!21:06
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stephgnow that you're here ;)21:06
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pdanekAny of Jolla power users here?23:10
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