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Sazpaimon_ | so i dont know if this is old news or not, but alien dalvik doesn't appear on myriad's site anymore. Is it no longer supported? | 03:18 |
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bef0rd | http://www.myriadgroup.com/products/device-solutions/alien-dalvik-inc-alien-vue/ | 03:25 |
Sazpaimon_ | oh wow there it is | 03:30 |
Sazpaimon_ | sorry, i couldnt find it via google | 03:30 |
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bef0rd | yea, some links 404, they could be moving stuff | 03:47 |
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arkkipiiska | Moi, I accidentally email 250 meg video, now email is stuck. Any ideas how? I deleted the msg's from outbox to no avail | 05:12 |
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PeperJohnny | Maybe turn on offline mode and delete it then? | 05:12 |
arkkipiiska | I've deleted the msg's but still issues syncing the boxes | 05:13 |
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stephg | arkkipiiska: a drastic measure would be to delete and re-add the account? may be quicker than letting the phone try and sync the stuff itself | 05:41 |
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arkkipiiska | dunno what I did but it's working now, it was stuck for 14 hrs | 07:05 |
stephg | left it on overnight plugged in to do its thing? | 07:05 |
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arkkipiiska | something like that I suppose | 07:14 |
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till | is there a way to force the jolla to stay in a 4g network, even if 3g/2g has a much stronger signal? | 09:06 |
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tbr-fi | till: it used to be possible to set ofono to 4g only over dbus, but beware, this effectively disables phone calls and maybe also text messages | 09:13 |
till | thanks, that might be okay. can I use the radio switcher app for this? | 09:16 |
ShadowJK | Is there still no copypaste, or am I too stupid to figure it out? | 09:22 |
Nicd- | there has been copypaste from the start... | 09:23 |
Nicd- | if you highlight something, it's copied. you can paste with the keyboard (press the clipboard icon) | 09:23 |
ShadowJK | how do I highlight | 09:24 |
Nicd- | press a piece of text and hold | 09:25 |
ShadowJK | I held and counted to 20, nothing happened | 09:26 |
Nicd- | where? | 09:27 |
Nicd- | I think you can only copy text that is in a text field | 09:27 |
ShadowJK | i need to copy either from email or from a website, and paste into a text field | 09:27 |
Nicd- | there's an unofficial version of the browser with text selection, I think coderus did it | 09:28 |
Nicd- | with email you'll just have to hit "reply" and copy from there | 09:28 |
ShadowJK | ugh, switching back and forth to manually type in doesn't work either, text field gets cleared each time :( | 09:29 |
ShadowJK | I'd whine on tjc, but I probably couldn't copypaste password there to log in ;) | 09:30 |
Nicd- | you don't remember all your passwords? :P | 09:30 |
roboro | hunter2 | 09:31 |
svuorela | < roboro> ******* | 09:32 |
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roboro | :) | 09:35 |
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* roboro is sad to see that basic voicemail notification is still not present on his Jolla | 09:36 | |
roboro | what is up with that?!!! | 09:36 |
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Nicd- | what notification? | 09:36 |
SK_work | depends on operators | 09:37 |
roboro | the one that usually appears in the form of an icon on the homescreen or in the notifications area on every phone I've owned since I first had a mobile phone | 09:37 |
SK_work | Nicd-: a notification indicating you got voicecall | 09:37 |
SK_work | some send them some don't | 09:37 |
roboro | I've never been on a network that doesn't | 09:38 |
roboro | I've lived in three different countries and been on multiple networks | 09:38 |
SK_work | roboro: there are some of them | 09:38 |
SK_work | very rare | 09:38 |
roboro | indeed... so because 2 networks in the world don't send messages... Jolla decides that we no longer need to support the most basic phone feature in the world | 09:39 |
roboro | its actually embarrassing# | 09:39 |
Nicd- | roboro: I've always just got an SMS | 09:39 |
javispedro | hey, around here, I've actually _never_ seen a network send the voicemail notification | 09:39 |
Nicd- | I've never seen any other type of notification either | 09:39 |
roboro | someone actually called me the other day and asked me if my shitty beta phone wasn't working, because he had left me 4 voicemails and I still hadn't called him back | 09:40 |
roboro | um... I don't just randomly check voicemail | 09:40 |
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ShadowJK | ive never had voicemail and never left voicemail.. i guess its a highly regional thing | 09:41 |
sharpneli | Same here. Why leave voicemail when you can send an sms? | 09:42 |
sharpneli | Most importantly sms is far faster to read than listen to a voicemail | 09:42 |
* javispedro has SIMs in 4 countries + US and not one of them sends the standard GMS voicemail notification | 09:42 | |
Nicd- | sharpneli: it's cheaper for the caller | 09:42 |
javispedro | *GSM | 09:42 |
roboro | mmm... I had voicemail in South Africa, Spain, the UK and the US... on my Android phone... I got notifications for all of these | 09:42 |
javispedro | roboro, from these countries I have SIMs in most Spain providers and Three on UK | 09:43 |
javispedro | none sends the normal voicecall notifications | 09:43 |
roboro | that's odd... I've always got notifications | 09:43 |
javispedro | specially in Spain it's way too hard for operators to resist sending SMSs which they also fill with ads | 09:43 |
Teme | voicemail, what the fuck is that :D | 09:44 |
Teme | i've seen my check his in the 90s | 09:44 |
Teme | my dad* | 09:44 |
javispedro | roboro, note I mean standard GSM voicecall notifications which on older Nokias lighted up the "voicemail" indicator | 09:44 |
javispedro | roboro, all of those operators send verbosy SMS instead | 09:45 |
roboro | yeah... javispedro that was the GSM voicemail goody I was referring to... I have never gotten an SMS for voicemail in my life | 09:45 |
roboro | odd | 09:45 |
roboro | saying that voicemail is outdated is like saying MMS is outdated... | 09:46 |
Teme | yeah, they are | 09:46 |
roboro | its true... there are much better technologies, but as long as other people use the old technology... your phone looks like a piece of shit if it doesn't support them | 09:46 |
javispedro | tbh this was one of my complaints during the early day, that there was supposed to be a standard way of voicemail notifications but no operator used it because they wanted to send you the verbosy sms with ads ("you have new messages. cheaper calls with our new $GARBAGE 3.99/month plan!" | 09:47 |
roboro | and you sound like an arrogant twat telling people that they should stop using these technologies | 09:47 |
Teme | i am also not arguing that they should not be supported - if i were deciding they would be among the last features to implement since there are a lot more important things that a smartphone needs | 09:47 |
javispedro | like Twitter! | 09:47 |
* javispedro sighs. | 09:47 | |
roboro | Teme: get a computer... smartphone should primarily be able to function as a normal phone | 09:48 |
tbr-fi | making calls is the least used feature on my smart phones | 09:48 |
Teme | roboro: can't use my gaming rig on the bus :( | 09:48 |
roboro | :) | 09:49 |
Teme | tbr-fi: indeed | 09:49 |
roboro | anyway... now at least one of my friends has started teasing me about what a pile of crap my phone is... | 09:49 |
roboro | that's gonna spread | 09:49 |
Teme | and i don't mind sounding like an arrogant twat when it comes to using outdated protocols other than just for fun | 09:49 |
Teme | i would leave voicemail only as a hipsterish joke | 09:50 |
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javispedro | I am 100% sure voicemail is way more used worldwide than data. | 09:51 |
Teme | you are probably right | 09:51 |
sharpneli | Teme: After reading teletext and sending the important info via fax? | 09:52 |
javispedro | remember what google voice started as | 09:52 |
javispedro | basically a free voicemail service. | 09:52 |
javispedro | that was less than a decade ago. | 09:52 |
Teme | sharpneli: i would prefer using Sanla M 90 for all communication but sigh... | 09:53 |
sharpneli | Thankfully you can put the annoying as #?/()&/(! beep as your SMS sound | 09:54 |
sharpneli | Just like what I did | 09:54 |
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TemeV | Sanla :D gotta love that message tone :) | 09:58 |
javispedro | hm hm how could I get a jolla TOH printed with my desired color? | 09:58 |
javispedro | I have obviously no easily accessible 3d printer | 09:58 |
Nicd- | javispedro: ask http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=35 | 09:59 |
javispedro | interesting | 10:01 |
ShadowJK | speaking of teletext, that was number one complaint about the new IPTV over fibre service rolled out here. No teletext. | 10:01 |
Nicd- | I remember when digital tv was coming, they said teletext would become advanced and would look like real webpages | 10:02 |
Nicd- | now in 2014 we still have regular teletext | 10:02 |
sharpneli | ShadowJK: In the same realm having only a mobile phone is baaaad because you cannot plug in your fax machine anymore! | 10:02 |
TemeV | then they realized that they can just put real webpages to tv | 10:03 |
TemeV | and also make the browser so laggy, that it's unusable, but that's another story | 10:03 |
javispedro | you can actually plug your fax machine into your mobile phone! | 10:03 |
ShadowJK | nicd, one of those digital tv advanced tt standards required a phoneline, and modem in set top box | 10:03 |
ShadowJK | so that they could bill for it | 10:03 |
ShadowJK | obviously it died instantly | 10:04 |
* pahartik has not yet tried voice telephone call on "Jolla Mobile", IPv6 routing over mobile network is much more important feature | 10:04 | |
tbr-fi | there were several evolutionary attempts at teletext, but I think none saw significant adoption | 10:04 |
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javispedro | there was even a standard to send java applets over dvb-t | 10:05 |
tbr-fi | are there any operators in .fi that offer an IPv6 APN? | 10:05 |
pahartik | tbr-fi: Not that I know of, I just use protocol 41 tunnel with heartbeat | 10:06 |
tbr-fi | "meh" | 10:07 |
pahartik | tbr-fi: Same as with "Nokia N900" | 10:07 |
tbr-fi | finland used to pride itself to be on the forefront of technology and innovation | 10:08 |
tbr-fi | now you can't get ipv6 at all from any ISP nor operator (with IIRC nebula being the exception among the ISPs) | 10:09 |
tbr-fi | and it remains to be seen if FICORA manages to get them to deploy as they promised recently | 10:10 |
javispedro | so I guess you're also seeing operators actually dropping ipv6 support there | 10:10 |
tbr-fi | if it's anything like CERT-FI, they probably won't get their head out of their arse for a year | 10:10 |
javispedro | all the fanfare a few years ago when 1 (_one_) operator made their homepage ipv6 accessible | 10:10 |
* tbr-fi is impatiently sitting on some router vulnerability for a year now | 10:10 | |
javispedro | (nothing else) | 10:10 |
Nicd- | finnish ipv6 status: http://ape3000.com/ipv6/ | 10:11 |
javispedro | and now they just dropped the AAAA record silently | 10:11 |
pahartik | tbr-fi: I did hear something about FICORA ~1 month ago, but did not check for details | 10:11 |
javispedro | I guess IPv6 is now passé, like fax. | 10:11 |
javispedro | or voicemail. | 10:12 |
tbr-fi | Nicd-: pretty much as expected. all the big ones are red | 10:12 |
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tbr-fi | pahartik: yes FICORA announced a push during the TREX workshop about a month ago | 10:12 |
tbr-fi | pahartik: ISPs are asked to sign up by october-ish IIRC and then should go to production within a year | 10:13 |
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Nicd- | there's also https://www.viestintavirasto.fi/viestintavirasto/ajankohtaista/2014/suositusteleyrityksilleipv6nkayttoonotostakuluttajalaajakaistaliittymissa.html (recommendation of ipv6 adoption for consumers) | 10:13 |
Nicd- | but of course it's just a recommendation | 10:14 |
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Nicd- | oh yeah, this? http://www.trex.fi/2014/national-IPv6-launch.pdf | 10:15 |
Nicd- | does that mean they have to have ipv6 available next year? | 10:16 |
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Nicd- | or is it just an invitation for those that want to? | 10:16 |
tbr-fi | Nicd-: it's sort of an open thing | 10:16 |
tbr-fi | apparently they are hoping that some of the bigger ones will sign up and create a market pressure | 10:17 |
Nicd- | like that would happen | 10:17 |
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tbr-fi | "FICORA invites all broadband and web service | 10:17 |
tbr-fi | providers to participate the event." | 10:17 |
meklu | "on March 2014" | 10:18 |
meklu | "on March" | 10:18 |
Jare | mmmh, i can already hear the flood of support requests coming, when consumers get their hands on ipv6 stuff x) | 10:18 |
tbr-fi | planned launch, next year's IPv6 day | 10:19 |
meklu | "has to be send to Ficora" | 10:19 |
meklu | :( | 10:19 |
tbr-fi | yes, it's a completely toothless thing with the hope that it magically catches on | 10:19 |
pahartik | tbr-fi: It is good, something is happening | 10:20 |
tbr-fi | to no surprise there were no comments about ISPs that had already signed up | 10:20 |
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meklu | isn't nebula practically the only one? | 10:20 |
tbr-fi | meklu: see Nicd-'s page | 10:21 |
meklu | ah, right | 10:22 |
tbr-fi | it's sad, as the technological capabilities are there | 10:22 |
tbr-fi | e.g. Sonera was boasting that they now offer IPv6, about a year or two ago. If you asked them it was "Uhhhh, no, it's a business feature! Here sign up for a 120€ net/month business connection instead of 20€ gross." | 10:23 |
meklu | it's funny because a lot of ISPs have already reserved IPv6 blocks | 10:23 |
meklu | ouch. | 10:23 |
meklu | or rather, had already reserved IPv6 blocks in the years long past | 10:24 |
tbr-fi | and actually the "if you asked them" took me _three_ months to get an answer | 10:24 |
tbr-fi | their whole infrastructure is fully capable of IPv6. They just can't get their arse up, as it would cost money to deploy and they very much prefer to stuff that as bonus into their pockets. | 10:25 |
tbr-fi | hell even the CPEs they send their customers are preconfigured for IPv6 | 10:25 |
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pahartik | tbr-fi: I just look forward to get native IPv6 routing, could disable IPv4 default route soon after | 10:45 |
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ccha2 | hum, after reboot, all alarms settings are gone. any way to get they back ? | 11:13 |
ccha2 | I reboot it because gsm network can't be selected | 11:14 |
ccha2 | where alarms data are written ? file or database ? | 11:15 |
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stephg | alarms from the clock app you mean? ccha2 | 11:18 |
ccha2 | yes | 11:19 |
stephg | it's a service called timed | 11:19 |
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Sail0r | one week without jolla or more :( | 11:24 |
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Sail0r | should I send the device for repair with other half attached or without? | 11:37 |
Sail0r | And as it's one of the firstones when it is exchanged gets the new device the Firstone status also? | 11:37 |
Jope | the firstone status is in your jolla account | 11:38 |
Jope | I would send it in with the white toh, not the first one toh | 11:38 |
Sail0r | ok | 11:41 |
Sail0r | does the factory reset wipe all data or should I erase the data before and do a factory reset afterwards? | 11:42 |
Nicd- | it wipes all data | 11:42 |
Nicd- | but not memory card | 11:42 |
Nicd- | I forgot my memory card in the phone when I sent it to service, lucky they didn't format it :P | 11:43 |
Sail0r | but they copied your porn :P | 11:43 |
Nicd- | sharing is caring | 11:44 |
Sail0r | how long does it take on average to get the phone back? | 11:44 |
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Sail0r | and why did you send it in? | 11:44 |
Nicd- | sim card holder was bad | 11:45 |
Sail0r | k mine has a broken vibration alert | 11:46 |
Sail0r | and frequent reboots | 11:46 |
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Sail0r | but a week without jolla :x how to survive it? ^^ | 11:50 |
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msvb-lab | Anybody else having problems accessing the *.jolla.com web servers? | 12:22 |
msvb-lab | Are they shut down for maintenance or something like that? | 12:23 |
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Nicd- | they work just fine for me | 12:23 |
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msvb-lab | Nicd-: Okay probably a local network problem then, thanks. | 12:27 |
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msvb-lab | Think it's a combination of high MTU and ICMP blocking along the routing path. | 12:30 |
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eyea_UK_ | Jolla )0!1@ joh | 12:45 |
eyea_UK_ | how is everyone | 12:45 |
eyea_UK_ | all good? | 12:45 |
arkkipiiska | yup, freezin my ass off | 12:51 |
eyea_UK_ | really | 12:52 |
arkkipiiska | nope, not really. 28,6 celsius here | 12:52 |
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eyea_UK_ | same | 12:52 |
eyea_UK_ | in London | 12:53 |
eyea_UK_ | whats new | 12:53 |
arkkipiiska | last vacation days and I'm in Ilomantsi | 12:53 |
Yaniel | weekend \o/ | 12:53 |
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Yaniel | and it is hot around tampere | 12:53 |
eyea_UK_ | nice | 12:54 |
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kimju | btw, do not play Ingress with a Jolla. although it works fine, Niantic/Google sees it as "using third-party tech to access the game" which is prohibited by their terms of service and will either send you a warning or outright ban you from the game. | 13:52 |
Nicd- | ping tbr | 13:53 |
Nicd- | for the above | 13:53 |
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coderus | wut? Jolla opened shop in Kazachstan? | 13:53 |
coderus | Kazachstan* | 13:53 |
coderus | Kazakhstan** | 13:53 |
tbr | Nicd-: I was involved, but thanks :) | 13:54 |
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Nicd- | tbr: involved? you were banned? | 13:55 |
Nicd- | coderus: source? | 13:55 |
tbr | Nicd-: no, was trying to get things sorted out and see why some people with jolla phone got banned. Most of the credit for trying belongs to others though. | 13:56 |
Nicd- | that's shitty of google | 13:56 |
Nicd- | but so is most of the stuff they do nowadays :/ | 13:56 |
coderus | http://jollafr.org/jolla-ouvre-sa-premiere-boutique-au-kazakhstan/ | 13:56 |
tbr | It falls foul of one of their security checks and they can't be arsed to figure out how to allow it, also because it's not an official google product | 13:57 |
Nicd- | coderus: :O | 13:57 |
Nicd- | their own store! not even Finland has that | 13:57 |
coderus | https://www.facebook.com/JollaCIS | 13:57 |
pdanek | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2014/07/jolla-towards-new-markets-kazakhstan_24.html | 13:57 |
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Nicd- | anyway, good for jolla :) | 13:58 |
artemma | #jollamobile or #sailfishos probably better.. webcat also probably doesn't disable scripts or the likes at suspend | 13:58 |
artemma | ah, messed up with copy-paste | 13:59 |
artemma | Lost 44% of battery power in an hour of internet browsing today lunch time | 13:59 |
artemma | and phone got so hot I could try frying eggs on it ;) | 13:59 |
coderus | any info about jolla price in KZ? | 13:59 |
coderus | ah, found it, 89 000 tenge | 14:00 |
coderus | $484 | 14:00 |
pdanek | That's a lot for such market. | 14:01 |
javispedro | kimju: wtf? more arguments fo google haters | 14:03 |
pdanek | Google is fine. | 14:03 |
javispedro | artemma, so many cores, so uselessness. | 14:03 |
javispedro | artemma, maybe one could try disabling one of the cores and setting max cpufreq to a reduced value | 14:04 |
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javispedro | artemma, I don't know who you were replying to, but since entire phone suspends during, well, "suspend", webcat can't "not disable scripts" | 14:05 |
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rubdos | Since I installed the new update, I used 2GB of mobile data in one week. Any clue if this is a bug or something? | 14:08 |
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rubdos | Normally, I used to use only 1.5 GB in one whole month... | 14:08 |
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rubdos | I even didn't watch any videos or download any heavy material. | 14:09 |
Eztran | Sounds like checking what's using it might help, really. | 14:09 |
rubdos | Yes indeed. But how can I? | 14:09 |
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tadzik | I had a similar problem, wasn't able to solve it | 14:11 |
tadzik | https://together.jolla.com/question/49993/jolla-eats-a-lot-of-mobile-data/ | 14:12 |
Eztran | There're a few apps around for tracking network usage, IIRC. There's nethogs on OpenRepos, probably better solutions around too but I wouldn't know. | 14:12 |
rubdos | tadzik, you're saying 70MB in 3 days, I have 2048MB in 7 days. | 14:14 |
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rubdos | 6 days even... Hell, that's a lot of data in no-time! | 14:14 |
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rubdos | And what is this... The counter on jolla says 8.6KB downloaded and 0.2MB uploaded on mobile network. I've never reset the counter. | 14:16 |
Eztran | Is it still using that amount of data now, or was it a one-off thing? | 14:17 |
kimju | javispedro, yes, nice of them to be this anti competitive. | 14:20 |
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tadzik | rubdos: well, you say you used to use 1.5 in a month, I've never used more than 100 MBs, so I guess our usage differs a little bit | 14:21 |
rubdos | Eztran, it's still that way. I rebooted it several times during those 6 days. I wont turn on mobile anymore, it'll cost me a little more after those 2GB | 14:21 |
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rubdos | tadzik, yes, I use it to browse, but I never reached 2GB in not-even-a-week. | 14:22 |
Eztran | Ouch. Still, does mean even just starting some by-process network monitor would probably find your problem pretty quickly. | 14:22 |
Eztran | 2GB in 6 days is really on another level, something is very wrong there. | 14:23 |
rubdos | Eztran, 'kay, what did you say I had to install? nethogs? Let's see openrepos :) | 14:23 |
rubdos | It's like NSA is watching naughty video's through my phone... | 14:23 |
Eztran | That's probably it, yeah =) | 14:23 |
rubdos | Oh shit. Do I have to reïnstall openrepos since the new update? | 14:24 |
rubdos | excuse me for the s* word :o | 14:25 |
Eztran | Oh. Er, yeah, IIRC. | 14:25 |
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rubdos | I can't install it... | 14:31 |
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Eztran | missing deps, package problems? | 14:33 |
rubdos | no idea, tried using a reinstalled warehouse, install-button doesn't do anything. Tried downloading the rpm and now there's a spinning icon with nethogs underneath it, but I got an Unable to install message | 14:34 |
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rubdos | missing pcap apparently | 14:35 |
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Eztran | Bah, deps. | 14:36 |
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Eztran | Searching suggests libpcap's in mer-tools, enable that first =) | 14:39 |
rubdos | found that too... Running the appropriate commands :) | 14:40 |
rubdos | Yay, installed | 14:41 |
rubdos | Now I'll reboot to restart the homescreen. It's stuck on the installing-nethogs-icon :P | 14:42 |
coderus | anybody from kazakhstan here? :) | 14:42 |
rubdos | Eztran, thank you, I'll leave that application open for a while now :) | 14:44 |
Eztran | Hopefully that'll turn up something using too much data. If not, something is even more wrong =/ | 14:44 |
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rubdos | If not, I'll send back my Jolla for a reflash I think ;) | 14:45 |
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rubdos | Great, I had some huge usage on what the nethogs thing calls a Program: "213.224.145.17:993-MY_IP:36926" | 14:49 |
rubdos | Ow. That's my mailserver. Cool | 14:51 |
Eztran | Was about to say, 993 is IMAP, right? | 14:51 |
Eztran | So... email sync going mad, maybe? | 14:51 |
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rubdos | Could be. I'll sync over WiFi in an hour, so I'll tell afterwards :) | 14:52 |
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rubdos | Anyway, thank you a lot, Eztran :) | 14:52 |
Eztran | No probs, not got much knowledge on it but can try =) | 14:53 |
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Sailor8545_ | An hour ago, I crossed the border, switched from 3g to 2g and it took really long time to Jolla to connect to roaming network. even reboot didn't help and the place definitely had signal. Is it normal? | 16:09 |
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stephg | Sailor8545_: you switched from 3g to 2g or it switched? | 16:15 |
Sailor8545_ | I did, manually. When I switch from 3G ti 2G it always reconnects entire connectivity, but this time, it could not connect. | 16:16 |
Sailor8545_ | Maybe problem with network operator? | 16:18 |
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Sailor8545_ | Another thing, when I switch from prefer 3g to 2g only, it always reconnects entire GSM connectivity, why? | 16:19 |
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sharpneli | @ropecon. Tried to play stuff from youtube. No sound from headphone output. | 16:31 |
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sharpneli | The sound bug seems to mute both speakers and headphone plug | 16:33 |
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Sailor8545 | Was there ant other phone in the past with something like The Other Half? | 17:12 |
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suosaaski | nokia 5110 and xpress on color things | 17:18 |
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Sailor8545 | but nothing like I2C or other HW connectivity, right? | 17:20 |
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suosaaski | nope, apart from some wireless chargers or other sort of accessories like game controllers (which usuallu connect to usb or lightning) | 17:34 |
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kimmoli | aah. thanks for reminding me... need to order some pcbs | 17:38 |
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bennypr0fane | hello I just tried to sync my Jolla's calendar with owncloud, but it didn't pick up the device's calendars, it just sent its own calendar to the phone. I sthat the standard behavior? | 20:10 |
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bennypr0fane | oh my, this party is really happening, isn't it? | 20:37 |
stephg | party? | 20:37 |
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bennypr0fane | stephg can't you feel the vibe of this channel bustling with life? :-D | 20:56 |
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stephg | course! | 21:06 |
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stephg | now that you're here ;) | 21:06 |
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