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CraigAhow do you trigger the lpm screen02:31
CraigAi've enabled it, but it seems to randomly show/disappear02:31
EztranIt should be triggered by the proximity sensor being uncovered. Designed to show up when you pull it out of a pocket or whatever, I think. Waving a hand over might help.02:32
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spiiroinCraigA: a) "out-of-pocket" = proximity covered >= 3 secs, then uncovered b) "wave over sensor" = proximity uncovered >= 3 secs; then covered and uncovered within 1.5 seconds03:57
CraigAyeah thanks a lot03:57
CraigAi was going to thank Eztran but he left03:58
CraigAor she03:58
spiiroin(b) is a bit problematic since if the movement is too fast, it will not register -> stop the hand for a moment03:58
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Temeit seems that there is some "deep sleep" that the device enters after a long time idle - the proximity sensor refresh interval (and therefore the hand stop length) is 4 seconds or so08:01
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Temeif you've used it recently, the "jedi mind trick" hand waving is pretty smooth :)08:02
SK_workTeme: indeed, there is the deep sleep08:02
SK_workwhere basically everything is blocked08:02
Temei wonder if the lpm could override the proximity sensor default interval..08:03
SK_workTeme: don't think so08:03
Temenow the lpm is neat, but not really usable in my scenario where i have the phone on my desk and wanna just wave over it for a peek at the clock08:03
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kimmoliproximity sensor makes interrupt when threshold values are exceeded, and it wakes phone from sleep. If there is some timeout how long it has to be covered before uncovering activates glance screen, it's somewhere in sw.08:52
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Milo-heh.. my phone did something freaky last night and it has a funny side effect.. I can't make a call (network error), but I can receive a call.. Also I can't establish mobile data internet connection. A reboot probably fixes this, but sweet.09:03
Milo-a reboot indeed worked. just a random death in something09:04
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iamtewgood afternoon :-)09:45
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SK_workmorning !09:46
SK_workiamtew: still morning here09:46
iamtewah, it's about noon here09:47
merlin1991Ugt!!09:48
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merlin1991As in http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html09:49
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Teme2:D09:50
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z1hi, is setting an ambience the normal way to silence the jolla? If so, is it possible to set "no vibrate" on an ambience? I couldn't see any option to do so.10:01
z1ok, sorry, was being dumb. there's an option in settings to tell it to only vibrate when making a sound. I'd still rather have that option in the ambience itself though, as I'd like one ambience which is silent with no vibrate, and another that is silent with vibrate10:03
Temehaven't tested it, but what happens if you set the ambience you don't want to vibrate to have "no sound" as ringtone and put the setting to vibrate on sounds10:05
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Siddethere is a bug with the vibration in the latest sailfish version. keep that in mind10:06
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SiddeSo it won't vibrate unless you set it to touch screen vibration10:07
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mdxthz1, there is  "silence sounds" option in the lock screen pulley menu10:07
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iamtewjust received my Jolla a little while ago.. quite nice, I like the UI and how to navigate it10:18
z1mdxth: good point - didn't see that, sorry10:18
iamtewseems like there's many different app-stores.. Jolla Store, OpenRepos, Harbour.. hm10:20
SiddeJolla Store is the officiall one. Harbour is that store10:22
SiddeHarbour is to were you send the application to be published in the jolla store10:23
SiddeOpenRepos is a third party store. Installing libs and stuff from it can break the system10:23
iamtewah, that makes it a bit clearer, thanks :)10:24
iamtewafter some googling, seems OpenRepos is people publishing apps that hasn't been approved on Harbour yet, so it's like "beta" or "no QA'd" apps I guess10:25
Siddeiamtew: then you got all those Android Stores too. Just install one you like and download applications like any android device10:25
iamtewyes but I don't want Android apps10:25
SK_workiamtew: plus stuff that's not allowed on harbour10:25
SK_work(some libs)10:25
iamtewokay10:26
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Temekimmoli: i gave the sources a peek and i'd say sensord controls the proximity sensor refresh interval while the device is in deep sleep and mce can't override it10:34
Temethen again i'm not a c programmer and have no idea about the architecture :P10:34
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spiiroinTeme: kimmoli: afaik some kind of automatic thresholding is used in proximity sensor itself (or driver side) and sensord does not change anything. but, in late suspend the sensor is put to less power hungry state (from kernel side) -> that might cause some slowness10:46
spiiroin... and mce does not believe it is uncovered unless it stays that way for half a sec or so10:47
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kimmoliok, then it must be the proximity wait time (something between 2.73 ms to 8.4 sec) dont have sources handy atm, so cant check what is programmed to the registers10:53
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iamtewso.. I can't seem to get the ssh server working on the device11:48
iamtewcan ping it via the usb cable11:48
iamtewbut on the Jolla, under Developer tools the Save button for SSH server is not clickable11:48
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giucamiamtew: the save button there is for the password11:50
Temeanyone using mosh on Jolla? how do i enable line wrapping?11:51
pahartikiamtew: Add or remove character from password?11:51
iamtewah, okay! silly me.. I put a password now, could click save, the password turned in to little *11:51
iamtewstill connection refused though..11:51
Temenvm my last question, i used screen -rx instead of -dr11:52
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iamtewvery odd, I'm certain it's the correct IP and over correct link.11:54
iamtewI got the MAC back from the phone and it is the correct one on the device I'm trying to get in to11:54
Temeiamtew: which user are you trying to log in as ?11:54
iamtewnemo11:55
iamtewbut that doesn't matter because the server is refusing me, ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused11:55
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goroboroI never tried getting in via the usb cable... can you ssh in via wlan?11:56
iamtewwait a moment.. I think I was supposed to restart the device after enabling the developer tools, not sure I did that11:56
Temeiamtew: that's probably it11:56
iamtewwlan will be my last option, as I'm not able to connect to a private wlan here11:57
iamtewI will give it a restart and see how it goes first11:57
goroborommm  restart may be what you need11:57
iamtewoh jeez, I've had the thing for 3 hours and I've already dirtied up the camera-lens.. :)11:58
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Temeat least you didn't manage to scratch it yet :P11:58
pahartikiamtew: "netstat -nap | less" would indicate whether "SSH daemon" is listening for connections11:59
iamtewrestart did it12:00
iamtew:)12:00
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WntDo images on facebook on sailfish browser overflow like this on everyone? http://upload.egarden.fi/mobile_facebook_on_sailfish_browser.png12:14
Skorpyyup12:15
Wnton Android's Firefox the do not: http://upload.egarden.fi/mobile_facebook_on_android_firefox.png12:20
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HartziWnt: yes they does12:25
Hartzialways have12:25
Hartzivery annoying..12:25
Wntanyone know how to change the sailfish browser's user agent?12:27
WntI tried adding line: general.useragent.override = "Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:31.0) Gecko/31.0 Firefox/31.0"; to ~/.mozilla/mozembed/prefs.js12:28
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Wntbut when I start the browser that file gets replaced12:29
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Wntfound those instructions from: https://together.jolla.com/question/1890/feature-request-user-agents-for-jolla-browser-open-website-as-desktopmobile/#post-id-14626 but like the comments on that answer, it doesn't seem to work12:32
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Wntand navigating to about:config results in a un-zoomable unresponsive warning page12:38
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Wntok, seems that if I use the correct syntax in that file (user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:31.0) Gecko/31.0 Firefox/31.0");) it doesn't get overwritten, but still doesn't affect the browser's user agent string12:45
Hartzihave you tried webcat and facebook? Does it work better12:50
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pahartikWnt: In that file I have 'user_pref("javascript.enabled", false);' and 'user_pref("permissions.default.image", 2);', they have expected effect...12:52
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WntHartzi: Webcat won't open the frontpage of touch.facebook.com as it seems to have syntax errors12:53
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Hartziokay :/12:54
EztranAndroid FF has a cleaner-looking UA string than the desktop version. Then again, I guess getting it right is more important on mobile.12:54
mekluha, facebook12:54
mekluI have very rarely bumped into spec-abiding user agents12:55
mekluor rather, user agent strings12:55
meklueveryone gets it wrong!12:55
mekluit's supposed to be a series of 'ProductToken/Version (optional comment)', the most significant one first12:56
meklui.e. 'Firefox/31.0 (https://www.mozilla.org/) Gecko/8029472074923'12:57
meklubut alas, no one gives a fuck12:57
mekluwhich is annoying12:57
EztranIt'll very often start Mozilla/x.0, that's Netscape's 'fault'.12:57
Eztranthen generally sites just check mobile/desktop anyway.12:58
pahartikWnt: I tried 'user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Lynx/2.8.8dev.12 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 GNUTLS/2.12.18 PowerPC/7400");', no effect12:59
EztranI mean, Gecko/whateverthetrailis Firefox/31.0 BrowserName/31.0 doesn't really tell you anything more than the Gecko version and occasionally FF version does.12:59
EztranHmm, one would think if any UA string made a difference, a Lynx one would =)12:59
mekluI mean, these are utterly unacceptable: "GitHub Hookshot f3c60ab", "keybase.io UserAgent v0.0.39", "Mnogosearch-3.1.21",13:01
mekludisregard the trailing comma13:01
pahartikEztran: I have never observed "facebook" content other than "unsupported browser" message, just wanted to see if user agent information can be changed13:01
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Eztranmeklu: OK, yeah, that bears no relation to any normal UA ever. Probably just used internally.13:02
mekluthose are hits on my server13:04
mekluit's fucking awful13:05
EztranGiven that none of them appear to be actual browsers, at least it's not you who needs to worry about what they see.13:06
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pahartikEztran: I use "Privoxy", it supposedly can modify user agent information13:11
pahartikEztran: (for me it removes all "script" elements)13:13
EztranFWIW, just checked identical UA string override in a desktop FF, worked, so sailfish-browser is certainly ignoring that pref.13:14
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coderusgeneral.useragent.override was dead very long time ago13:44
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eyea_UK_jolla )0!1@ joh14:15
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eyea_UK_how is everyone14:15
eyea_UK_all good14:15
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SK_workeyea_UK_: good good14:19
SK_workJolla expanding worldwide14:19
SK_workItalia, HK, Russia etc14:19
SK_work<314:19
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eyea_UK_good14:29
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iamtewhm.. would it be possible to organize the app icons from the command line? :D14:47
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Aardiamtew: .config/nemomobile/lipstick.conf14:53
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iamtewok thanks. do I need to reload it somehow to make the settings work?15:08
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iamtewerh, to update it I mean15:09
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CraigAare there any native 3rd party SIP clients for Jolla at the moment15:26
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Jarehaven't heard of any native gui clients. However some say that for example zoiper for android works15:30
tbrCraigA: inbound calls work on telepathy if you enable the speaker in pulse audio config15:35
CraigAsweep15:35
CraigAsweet15:35
CraigAthanks15:35
tbroutbound can probably be made through some dbus incantations until someone from jolla fixes the dialer15:36
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Jareyup, the backend is there, gui is mostly missing15:40
Yanielstill no album covers15:44
Yanielwell, two work, but they are embedded in mp3 files15:44
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Yanielmp3 files + cover.jpg shows up on the app cover but not the album listing15:45
Yanieland the rest don't show at all15:45
Yanieloh and tracker likes to segfault15:45
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tadzika peculiar thing happened to me today. I dropped the phone, caught it mid-air, and then the led started blinking green and when I unlocked it afterwards all of my apps were closed :|20:01
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giucamlipstick restarted20:02
giucami don't see how dropping the phone could have caused it...20:03
tadzikyeah, me neither20:05
tadziksudden voltage drop because of battery being stupid?20:05
giucami don't think so20:06
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giucamif the voltage drop i'd expect the phone to reboot, not lipstick20:06
giucam*drops20:06
giucamanyway your journalctl may give some clue20:07
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tadzikhm20:09
tadzikit says "no journal files were found"20:10
giucamas root?20:10
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tadzikoh, no20:11
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tadzikit says "Unhandled page fault", and then a couple of segfaults occur20:14
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giucamany hint of what could have caused it before that message?20:17
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kimmoliwas the error something like this ?  Jolla kernel: lipstick: unhandled page fault (11) at 0xbefb6000, code 0x01720:19
tadzikkimmoli: that's rght20:20
tadzikgiucam: nah20:20
kimmolifor me it was also asking this in journal;  lipstick[968]: The Wayland connection broke. Did the Wayland compositor die?20:21
tadzikyes20:21
tadzikthen sigsegv in lipstick20:21
tadzikafter a LOT of logs20:21
tadzikin the same second20:21
giucamabuot what? can you pastebin it?20:21
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tadzikhm, probably20:28
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tadzikhttps://gist.githubusercontent.com/tadzik/22c86215a8188eab686f/raw/gistfile1.txt20:32
tadzikJul 30 20:43:32 Jolla kernel: QSGRenderThread: unhandled page fault (11) at 0x0000003c, code 0x01720:33
giucamthere is no message for 47 seconds before the crash...20:35
tadzikyes20:39
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giucami'm afraid i have no clue20:41
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phlixisomeone ever got sound from soundcloud.com playing on jolla browser?21:01
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artemmaI figured that if I want to see more commercial activity for Jolla, I should do something about it, so opening a consultancy - http://www.codingsubmarine.com/22:49
artemmaPoint your friends who could be interested in porting/building apps there. Half a dozen of cool sailfish apps, some cool apps for other platforms (iOS, Android and beyond) and contacts for bigger projects22:50
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