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TMavica_JollaOrdered a VIP limited Pack Jolla in Hong Kong!06:06
tadzikwhat's a VIP Limited pack?06:08
TMavica_Jollaa black box06:08
kimmolihttp://www.three.com.hk/website/appmanager/three/home?_nfpb=true&pageid=f41011&_pageLabel=P600193131219996753703&lang=eng06:09
gexcwith HK charger? :-P06:10
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TMavica_Jolladont know06:10
TMavica_Jollasell in 3 at 12/806:10
TMavica_Jolla3HK06:10
gexcany possibility for a hacker edition black box? just like N90006:11
tadzikwow, neat06:11
TMavica_Jollai dont know, just order, no think too much06:12
tadzikthe fact that Taj Mahal is tilted in the wrong direction on jolla.com makes me feel uneasy06:12
* gexc just guessing LOL06:12
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NickLeujolla launch hk07:42
NickLeuexclusive on 3hk07:42
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kimmoliwhy i always read that fingertattoos as FAIL07:54
coderus:D07:55
coderusread as FATE07:55
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tbrI wonder why they reused that hand. It looked weird on the india ad, but there I guessed it was something cultural(?). But now they shopped it into the HK background too07:58
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NickLeuwhose hands do they used?08:05
NickLeumarc's?08:05
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TMavica_Jollaany Jolla sailor will be at Jolla meeting at 12/8 in Hong Kong?08:07
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NickLeui'd love to08:14
fisheggI guess it is only available for Hong Kong residents?08:14
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TMavica_JollaNo idea. the web didnt mention08:16
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NickLeuTMavica_Jolla: you register?08:17
TMavica_Jollayes!08:17
TMavica_Jollaalthough i already got my Jolla08:17
TMavica_Jollalol08:17
TMavica_Jollajust register first, see whether what happen on that day08:18
NickLeuTMavica_Jolla: i'm wondering if it's available that night yet08:18
NickLeuif not i may have to go later08:18
fisheggbecause I saw the register website ask people to select the operator of your phone now08:19
TMavica_Jollait said yes08:19
NickLeui dont understand08:19
TMavica_Jollayes. mine is smartone...not 3hk08:19
NickLeu3hk itself ask ppl to choose operator?08:20
NickLeuwhat's that supposed to mean08:20
fisheggbut there is no operator of mainland China :)08:20
TMavica_Jollanickleu: would u like to join our whatsapp group?08:20
TMavica_Jollau r hk?08:20
NickLeugot no whatsapp08:20
TMavica_Jollaok08:21
gexcchina unicom perhaps :-/08:21
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* artemma figured Jolla enters HongKong through some operator - good news, operators are very important!08:21
artemmadepends on the operator size though08:21
mekluas long as it isn't SIM-locked, sure08:23
NickLeuTMavica_Jolla: have you tried out 4g network?08:24
gexcany contract-free possibilities?08:25
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NickLeugexc: i check out 3hk website, seems the answer is no08:26
gexcO_o08:26
gexcso, is jolla lockable then?08:27
NickLeui dont think so08:27
gexcseems not likely - -08:27
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UniversebenzeneDon't thing so either...08:27
NickLeuphones sold in finland arent locked anyway08:27
UniversebenzeneYeah.08:28
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gexcmaybe the phones sold in HK are still jan2014 batch08:33
gexc:D08:33
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Universebenzene1...Maybe08:34
gexcmore then half a yr in warehouses LOL08:36
Universebenzene1>_>08:36
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TMavica_JollaNickLeu: yes. smartone 4g08:39
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iamtewwhat's the differences between batches?08:44
gexcmaybe small fixes?08:44
tadzikthey ship the piece of paper for you to stick next to the battery :o08:45
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NickLeusystem upgrade?08:46
tadzikI ordered my Jolla like a month ago, and I had one of the first OS versions that was barely working :P08:46
gexcno sys upgrade at least according to the leaked units on taobao08:46
lainwir3dtadzik: haha, that would be fun.08:46
gexcbut not sure about the official ones08:47
lainwir3da piece of paper labeled "Jolla battery hot fix"08:47
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gexcare jan14 ones still affected by that contact issue?08:48
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* tbr still thinks that actually cleaning battery terminals and device side contact pins _properly_ is the more sensible option. Still can stick in the paper to increase tension ofc.08:52
tbrit reproducibly helped someone who had serious spontaneous shutdown problems08:53
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gexcmaybe just increase the size of the batteries08:53
lainwir3dtbr: what do you clean it with ? I didn't try that.08:54
tbrlainwir3d: either dedicated contact surface cleaner or something that removes oxide and doesn't leave any residue.08:55
lainwir3dAll right. I'll look for that. Thanks08:55
tbrI'd probably try a _hard_ rubber eraser (the blue side of the red/blue ones)08:55
tbror _gently_ go over the surface with a metal object like a screw driver08:56
gexcare there newer units after jan14?08:56
tbralso exercise great caution to avoid touching it with your fingers, the grease/fat will spoil the surface08:56
lainwir3dthe battery contacts should be easy. But I should be careful with the one on the phone, they probably more fragile.08:56
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tbrit really doesn't need much work. just a bit that would scrub any oxide layer off either side08:57
lainwir3dmy reboots are mostly gone with the paper. But it happens from time to time.08:58
tbrlainwir3d: let me guess, 2G connectivity, at the beginning of a call or on text message or while sending/receiving data08:59
lainwir3dYeah, might be happening on 2G while on the subway.08:59
lainwir3dI guess it's that. Known behaviour ?09:00
tbrthat's a typical current spike situation. Any oxide layer or anything else introducing impedance will have a significant voltage drop. The power management then realizes OMGWTF battery empty! below damage threshold! OFF! OFF!09:01
tbrwhile the batter is actually just fine09:01
tbrGSM is pulsed and in low reception areas the phone needs a lot of ower in very short pulses09:02
mekluhmm, maybe it should have a somewhat longer 'OMGWTF' threshold then09:02
tbrmeklu: no, it should have clean contacts. the threshold is perfectly fine09:02
lainwir3dtbr: ok, I guess I really need to try to clean the contacts then.09:03
meklueh, oh well09:03
tbrIf the voltage is e.g. below 2.9V then a single cell power management circuit MUST turn off immediately to prevent damage to the battery09:03
lainwir3dand sometimes, if it reboots, then It will reboot every time I enter the pin code until I remove the battery 10minutes09:03
meklufor the record, I haven't had any reboot issues with my device from the january '14 batch09:04
tbrand there is no way to know if it's an oxide layer that just shaved 0.3V off your measurement or if the battery became critical09:04
* tbr never had reboot issues, ever and my devices are from the very very first batch09:04
* lainwir3d is powering off his jolla to clean the contacts.09:05
mekluI've got a 16 day 4 hour uptime right now, which means it's been constantly running since the Tahkalampi upgrade09:05
lainwir3dmine should be from the end of december batch.09:06
gexctbr: are the contact pins easily oxidized?09:06
kimmolii did someday suggest that we should make some survey from e.g. battery dimensions or other variances09:06
tbrgexc: depends on some factors, shape, environmental factors like temperature and humidity (humidity even through sweat in your pant pocket), surface pressure, contact materials, etc.09:08
gexcwell...09:08
* gexc is going to clean them anyway :-/09:09
tbrthe paper padding increases tension, that can help deal with contact problems, but cleaning the surfaces doesn't hurt09:09
tbrit could be even something totally freaky, like an alloy contamination on either side of the contacts in one of the batches, current flow then would lead to actually an oxide build up at the faintest humidity09:11
lainwir3dhmmm09:13
tbrand as said, one guy whom had this issue and had tried padding, cleaned the contacts and then at his low 2G covered cottage had no issues anymore. So I say it's a possible factor and cleaning the contacts doesn't hurt.09:13
lainwir3dmy coworker add some oxide removal stuff09:13
* gexc just cleaned with pure alcohol09:14
lainwir3dI guess we have the same problem sometimes with our products ;)09:15
kimmolihttps://app.younited.com/?shareObject=6bb32d8f-8555-f1b9-6a58-115285f4527709:15
kimmolipoor pics... sometimes i wish i had this issue, so i could investigate it :p09:16
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tbrlainwir3d: hehe :)09:18
tbrkimmoli: same here...09:19
tbrkimmoli: I was really happy to find someone with understanding of electronics to try my contact cleaning theory and it worked perfectly for them09:19
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kimmolithey are (or at least look) gold plated on both sides, so that is good for low currents < 10mA09:20
kimmolibut i would prefer two separately springloaded contacts for each powerline there09:20
tbrkimmoli: sure it's not just brass?09:21
kimmolino one should use that09:21
lainwir3dhonestly, mine looked quite clean. I don't know how oxide looks like.09:21
tbrit could be a super thin layer09:21
kimmolitypically greenishwhite09:21
kimmolibut as tbr said, if you can see it...09:21
tbrthe other possible thing could be spring tension of the contacts09:22
tbr_if_ cleaning doesn't help I'd probably _super_ *gently* try bending the pins a bit to make them press harder09:22
kimmolithey are U loop09:22
kimmolinot bendable09:22
lainwir3dwell, let's just solder the pins then09:23
lainwir3d;)09:23
mekluand then you forget about the procedure and accidentally tear out half the electronics the next time you're removing the battery :)09:23
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lainwir3dhaha09:24
tbrthat's what they do for built in batteries. wire and plug.09:24
tbrmuch better contact characteristics09:24
kimmolithere is still connector :)09:24
kimmoliwhy they dont use these blade terminals, with contact on both sides09:25
tbryeah, nokia standardized on that for all their removables09:25
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tbrafter they've traditionally had lots of contact issues. remember the factory installed rubber pads in the 6x10 series? :)09:26
Jopeyep.. 6310 was the first one09:31
Jopeand it notoriously didn't have batt problems09:31
Jopebefore that you had to tighten the battery rails manually every now and then .. :-D09:31
JopeI just used a screwdriver and squashed them a bit on the battery side, that made it snug for a while09:31
kimmolihmm this looks like jolla connector http://www.te.com/catalog/pn/en/2229056-109:31
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dr_gogeta86hi sailors09:32
dr_gogeta86I saw advertisement for india and HK09:32
dr_gogeta86Inverted colorscheme is coming ?09:33
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dr_gogeta86kimmoli, find a vibramotor replacement09:33
dr_gogeta86for me09:33
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kimmoliäh09:36
kimmolidr_gogeta86: i would need to disassemble my precious to get some details about it first09:39
dr_gogeta86kimmoli, but a canbus converter otherhalf ?09:40
dr_gogeta86;-)09:40
kimmoliO_o09:40
dr_gogeta86di you know can bus ?09:40
kimmoliyep09:40
till-anyone else having problems with vibration? my jolla only vibrate if there are android notifications since a few days09:42
dr_gogeta86till mine is a motor problem ...09:42
till-yes i thought so as well, but just right now i got an android notification and it did vibrate09:42
till-and i read something somewhere about a general vibration problem with the last sailfish version09:43
till-don't want to send it in for repair :(09:45
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chem|stwhat does "you can reset the original sounds by reinstalling the ambience" work? I now see "Ringtone Ringtone" kinda entries instead of "black-ringtone"10:16
chem|stI just reinstalled the ambiences, no change10:17
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chem|stthe whole thing is borked10:20
chem|stthe only "downloadable" ambience that does have all of one kind is the first one... all others seem to have Ringtone Calendar and Clock in $Variable and all others in $file eg aloe-imtone10:21
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ecloudmjones: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/63308/11:46
ecloudor do you really have time to get TouchArea done?  Or should I copy the code myself, rip out mouse-specific stuff and then maybe it will be ready quite soon?11:47
ecloudthe 5.4 window is closing fast, and this has been in the works for a couple of years now11:47
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mjonesI'll have a proper look tomorrow. It's enough for me to remove the -2, but it saddens me to see this done to MouseArea.11:51
mjonesI think taking what you've done, renaming TouchArea, removing mouse specifics and adding scoping is the correct solution, but I can't see it happening for 5.411:51
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Bysmyyrhttps://together.jolla.com/question/52420/connect-dialog-release-temporary-orientation-lock/11:54
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SK_workBysmyyr: reproduced11:57
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Bysmyyrhttps://together.jolla.com/question/52421/disable-connection-dialog/12:04
Bysmyyrtraveling abroad shows new things :)12:04
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ecloudmjones: why is it so sad?12:23
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fluxnice, I've accidentally pocket-restarted an internet stream13:13
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fluxand also pocket-set the volume to zero13:14
fluxresult: 3% battery left13:14
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fluxI was wondering what the blip-sound was. the screen didn't come on nor was there any message there, I should have looked at the %.. (which isn't visible in the home screen without swiping, nor is the reason visible in notifications)13:15
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Temehmm, why have approx. 50% of the albums on my Jolla suddenly fallen under "unknown artist" in media player, they used to be okay and i didn't change any of them :(13:55
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Temehmm, i ran tracker-control -se as suggested here https://together.jolla.com/question/50744/media-no-longer-recognising-album-info-after-update-10819/14:01
Temeat first _all_ albums appeared under unknown artist, but it took a while to index or some such and now it's okay :)14:02
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tadzikI still have all the albumarts wrong14:05
Temeoh, for me all of them are correct and actually look very neat on the active cover14:07
Temedon't like it so much when the cover covers most of the screen when you go to an album and play it14:08
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