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Wntiamtew, kimmoli: here is my modded version of the TOHOLED 3D model: http://upload.egarden.fi/no_logo_bigger_als_hole.stl06:26
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WntI modified for example the edges to be 1mm thick so my printer's 0,5mm extruder will do 2 passes per edge, moved the camera and flash holes a bit and removed the logo & TOHOLED text as they didn't print well on my printer06:30
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iamtewgood morning06:36
iamtewWnt: thanks, I will take a look :)06:36
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kimmoliWnt: ok. yes, always need to remember - design for the printer...06:57
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TMavicacybette: here?07:09
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cybetteTMavica: yes07:19
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TMavicacan ur fd send me the video they taken yesterday night?07:24
cybettei haven't gotten in touch with them yet. i think they are on their way back to finland. please be patient :)07:24
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TMavicawait u07:30
TMavicathanks07:30
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reviewjolla_Have an unlike day!07:36
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TMavicaVIP pack arrived!07:38
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reviewjolla_:)07:45
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reviewjolla_GongratS TMavica !!07:46
narchiedoes it reboot loop too07:46
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* tadzik jealous07:57
tadzikmaybe europeans could get the nice box and the other halves for -69€? That'd be a fair deal :P07:58
Nicd-just noticed this on G+: https://plus.google.com/u/1/+StuartBleedenX/posts/erZdtEWcRZb07:58
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TMavica2888 only very cheap08:02
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TMavica280 euro08:04
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TMavicathe box very thick..08:09
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cybetteTMavica: nice! congrats :)08:15
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TMavicao08:22
TMavicait is not normal poppy red other half..08:22
TMavicafirst one again08:23
tadzikwow08:23
tadzikdo you have both now?08:23
TMavicano08:23
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cybetteI think it's because they are for those who pre-ordered last year?08:24
TMavicai have 2 first one other half now08:24
cybettethe VIP pack08:24
TMavicai want the normal poppy red...08:24
TMavicacybette: no, it is order online08:24
TMavicaonly 1 day08:25
TMavicathen no more08:25
TMavicafor 2888 HKD08:25
cybetteyeah, last weekend right? the invites were sent to the pre-orderers08:25
TMavicashould be. forget08:25
TMavicaonly for 1 day08:25
cybetteyup08:25
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TMavicai think it is normal poppy red..08:25
tadzikfairy nuff08:25
TMavicanow i got 2 first one, 2 aloe, 2 black, 2 white...08:26
tbrugh, this ubuntu-touch really has me on the fence...08:26
tadzikfirst world problems08:26
tbrmost "apps" are just web views and there is a super awkward scrolling bug that makes the view jump up and down08:26
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iamtewis there somewhere I can find info about Jolla launching in India? my colleagues over there wants to get their hands on one ;)08:36
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VDVsxtbr, what device are you running it ?08:37
Stskeepztbr: atleast they arent cardboard anymore08:38
cybetteiamtew: http://www.snapdeal.com/offers/jolla08:38
iamtewthanks08:40
cb400fiamtew: I think I saw somewhere on faceb0rk that the launch in india will be within one week... so I'd expect more news via the "usual channels"08:41
cb400fsoon08:41
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iamtewyeah, I sent them the facebook and twitter pages08:47
iamtewI guess they will be updated with necessary info :)08:47
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tbrVDVsx: nexus408:52
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Stskeepztbr: would be curious to hear your observations, fwiw10:19
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tbrand poof he was gone10:19
Stskeepssorry, freenode had z'ed me earlier10:20
Stskeeps:P10:20
Stskeepswhat did you say? ;)10:20
tbrI was going to say that you'll have to give me a few days with this10:20
Stskeepsno problem, i read your g+ posts with interest :)10:20
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tbrcurrently I'm still in the 'HOW THE FAASDFASDFJALSDFJASDF IS THIS SUPPOSED TO WORK!!!!11!' phase10:20
tbrI'm sure there are a few sensible UI decisions in there10:22
tbrbut there also seems to be a lot of random bugs10:22
tbrlike the scroll-twerk10:22
entilwasn't the india launch already?10:23
tbryou scroll something and suddenly it goes all twerk twerk twerk10:23
tbrthe HK lauch just happened10:23
entilmaybe the india launch happening was announced but not executed yet then10:23
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TMavicaindia launch in this month10:27
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Stskeepstbr: do they have a on-install tutorial?10:29
entilTMavica: sweet!10:30
entilyou guys are conquering now10:30
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tbrStskeeps: yes, it takes you through some basic steps10:32
Stskeepsk10:32
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TMavicahow come the VIP pack use 2 pin charger for us..10:48
ln-a what?10:48
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TMavicaI think it should be 3 pin charger10:49
TMavicawe cant use 2 pin charger10:49
ln-are your wallplugs like those in great britain?10:50
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TMavicayes, same as Britain10:51
StskeepsTMavica: might want to raise that question to care or some contact place for those things..10:51
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TMavica2 pin connector is not allow in HK10:51
TMavicabut u still can use it10:51
Stskeepsgot a photo?10:51
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TMavicaStskeeps: good idea10:51
TMavicawhat photo?10:51
TMavicaraise in together..?10:52
Stskeepsnah, talk to care10:52
Stskeepsthat's probably best10:52
TMavicaOK10:52
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TMavicai do both side10:54
TMavicaLOL10:54
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coderusmost frequent question about mitakuuluu: "How to show contacts after hiding them?" :D10:55
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Teme2all users are idiots10:56
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TMavicacoderus: right! I helped you answer many times in HK10:56
TMavicaAll new user dont know that10:57
TMavicathey only see hide, and ask how to unhide? no option10:57
coderusTMavica: yup, just because it have no any help or faq :D10:57
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Anz_some users are just unaware about the feature. i was talking with a group admin why i got 'kicked'10:58
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trigpointTMavica: UK/Euro adaptors are easily available in the UK, thats what I use11:10
ballock I've got 2 google accounts, both of them logged out.11:10
ballockHow can I say which of them is which and what user should I use at each account?11:11
ballockSetting -> Accounts only shows 2 'Google' with 'Not logged in'11:11
ballockTapping on each of them gets me to the Google website with empty 'Email' address.11:12
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TMavicatrigpoint: yes. i know that, we still can use 2 pins, but just unsafety11:13
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ballockI could 'try', but if I'm wrong, I guess Jolla would bind my google#1 contacts/calendar to google#2 contacts/calendar11:13
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ballockeven the notifier about failed login to a 'named' account forwards me to the 'Account' page, not specifying which of the 2 to pick11:16
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gogetafor who mantain jolla cdn .... still problem with dns11:21
gogeta?11:21
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tbrCDN != DNS11:30
gogetaif you use cloudfront antiDDoS11:30
gogetamaybe11:31
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* cb400f wonders if it's technically feasible to make "extra large antenna" other halves... that might be a big differentiator, since generally smartphones have sucky signal strength, especially for people in rural areas of course11:32
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tbrcb400f: dependsâ„¢, if you get documentation which antenna is for which band (or measure it by coupling), then you could build a SMA-breakout ToH that would use inductive coupling to get the signal into each antenna.11:46
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njsgout of curiosity, are there dual SIM jolla phones?11:47
Stskeepsnop11:47
njsgat some point, I should consider if I want to get an jolla phone, dual SIM would just make my life easier, but it's not like my current phone has that, either11:47
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tbrnjsg: you could get yourself a Nokia-X and port sailfish. :>11:51
pp_dual sim other half!11:51
Stskeepsnokia x is a .. funny product11:51
pp_(two slots + switch + connector to existing slot would work, I'd guess)11:52
Nicd-I wonder if the Nokia X line will ever even make it to the stores11:52
Nicd-pp_: or an OH where you can connect one Jolla on each side11:52
njsgtbr: is that a recent thing? I mean, I thought nokia had gotten out of the smartphone business for now, with all that stuff and selling the keilaniemi offices...11:52
tbrpp_: that exists already as a product, no need to reinvent it11:52
pp_for some definition of "work"11:52
tbrnjsg: it's the part that got bought by Microsoft11:52
jukkaeklundNokia X is selling since months, I have a few too11:52
tbr(and is in the process of getting killed)11:52
Stskeepskilled is a strong term.. significantly molested, squeezed out of money and stabbed to death is more accurate11:53
Nicd-jukkaeklund: where?11:53
Stskeeps:P11:53
njsgpp_: would that allow the two cards to be used at the same time? (although I have no idea about how dual SIM usually works, I'd be interested in being able to receive and send texts and get calls from the second SIM while using the main SIM)11:53
njsgStskeeps: I'd say that molested is the key word there11:53
njsgmy impression of the nokia incident is really "molested"11:54
tbrnjsg: no DSDS would not work that way11:54
njsgtbr: DSDS?11:54
jukkaeklundNicd- china, russia, india etc11:54
tbrnjsg: for DSDS you'd need a nokia-x11:54
tbrdual-sim-dual-standby11:54
njsgjukkaeklund: not in .fi, then?11:54
jukkaeklundnope11:54
njsgnokia product, not available in finland - are they selling it only in places where they're not forced to follow their agreement with microsoft or what?11:55
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njsgtbr: so DSDS is what I want?11:55
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gogetai'm starting port to huawei dual g52511:56
tbrnjsg: yes11:56
gogetacost 100 euro11:56
gogetaand have same jolla display size11:56
gogetabut compared to jolla phone is a crap11:56
njsghmm, reading on it, wiki mentions also some "dual sim active" kind of phones, and there's one HTC phone in the category11:56
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gogetanjsg: if i can solve some problem with kernel is best value for money11:57
gogeta1gb of ram11:57
gogetaquad core 1.2Ghz11:57
njsgfor being actually able to use two SIMs the way I want to, I probably need the hardware to support it, in the most extreme case it'd actually need two separate radios, I guess11:58
gogetanjsg: on my phone dsds is opensource and works under cyanogen 4.4.411:59
njsgalthough a store tells me that some HTC phones use nanoSIM - I thought that was apple's form factor11:59
gogetano is the new "forced" standard11:59
njsgoh?12:00
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njsgbut some android phones just started moving to microSIM12:00
gogetagsm ... just pay and everything become standard12:00
gogeta;-)12:00
njsgdsds does indeed seem to be a way to get what I want without two radios12:01
tbrdsda is quite expensive so you won't find much hardware.12:02
gogetagalaxy note 312:03
gogetadual12:03
gogetasi dsda12:03
gogeta*is12:03
gogetanjsg in china are quiet popular12:03
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njsgtbr: yeah, there's a htc desire 6xx in a local store, but, while not too expensive, it does not mention dual sim, so perhaps it's only 600 that has dsda12:05
njsgtbr: I'd definitely look for something not to expensive, but at least it's good to know what to look for12:05
njsgwhat are the chances of jolla getting dsds?12:05
gogetaofono is ready ?12:05
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AL13N_workgogeta: are you from .be ; or are you a different gogeta?12:14
AL13N_worki knew someone who had this nickname12:14
gogetano scn12:14
gogeta:-D12:14
gogeta.it btw12:15
AL13N_worki guess my friend didn't use IRC that often anymore12:15
AL13N_workand it got reallocated to someone else12:15
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dr_gogeta86now is ok12:15
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gexcso the official jollas for hk still get the #unlike chargers lol12:39
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TMavicaLOL..12:53
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* gexc thought they were busy replacing the chargers for the last months12:55
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ballockFYI: poor man's solution to two logged-out Google accounts:13:02
ballockclear out account notifications, long press on one of the accounts, press 'synchronize'13:02
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ballockand the notification message error tells you which one that was13:03
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Nicd-thanks ballock13:03
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till_hi, is anyone else unable to create new calendar entries on the jolla? when I want to save the entry by swiping to the left i can only swipe like 5mm, then the entry-screen got "stuck"14:05
Nicd-till_: it means you haven't filled some field14:06
BawalI found out, that a calendar entry cannot last longer than 1 hour (if it's not a full day)14:06
Bawaltried to set up a multiple hour event, the result was always snapped to one hour before end or after start14:07
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Bawaldoesn't ruin my life tho14:07
till_unfortunatly that don't help, i have text in every field and the duration is 21 minutes14:07
till_oh well :)14:08
till_turns out there was no calendar selected14:08
till_thanks anyway14:08
Nicd-Bawal: I can14:09
BawalHm, something fishy on my calendar then. Maybe a setting I haven't noticed14:09
BawalNot too many settings to be noticed though14:10
chem|stTMavica: so you did not get a commonwealth plug but a euro one?14:10
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TMavicaum..14:14
TMavicaMostly I mean the Jolla Pack shouldnt include 2 pin charger14:14
TMavicawe still can use 2 pin charger, but it is not recommended14:15
TMavicaIn Hong Kong, there all electrical device is already using 3 pin plug14:15
TMavicawe can use 2 pin plug by adding a adaptor14:16
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TMavicai mean the Jolla pack in HK should use a standard 3 pins plug but not 2 pins14:16
ln-would it even fit in the box?14:17
TMavicaall socket in HK is for 3 pins14:17
TMavicaln-: yes.14:17
TMavicait is 2 pins.14:17
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chem|stTMavica: do me a favour (and probably all others too), if you talk about some standards, use the name for it or a common term, your 2pin is euro-std the 3pin you are refering to is commonwealth-plug or UK-std14:22
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ln-yeah, there are 3-pin plugs (even many different types) which are "european" rather than commonwealthish.14:24
chem|stTMavica: and please do not talk about safety no more! I update your post14:25
ln-e.g. http://www.110220volts.com/Merchant2/plugs/plugE.jpg14:27
chem|stTMavica: the microUSB idea is to stop shipping chargers with phones14:29
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chem|stln-: that is french14:33
ln-chem|st: or czech14:34
ln-maybe even danish14:34
chem|stseveral14:34
chem|stthe type is refered to as "the french" plug14:36
TMavicaok14:36
TMavicathanks14:36
TMavicai dont know what 3 pins name call..14:37
chem|stTMavica: just get a >=1A usbcharger14:37
TMavicacan you help me edit?14:37
chem|stTMavica: call it UK-plug and everyone knows what you are talking about14:37
coderusi'm still using n9 charger with n9 cable14:37
coderusas is more soft than jolla one :)14:38
TMavicai using n900 charger14:38
TMavicaLOL14:38
chem|styour two-pin is the "europlug"14:38
ln-the opposite wouldn't work, Jolla charger is not powerful enough to charge N9.14:38
SK_workI collected 2 pin chargers from everywhere (N9, Nexus 7, Jolla) and USB cables everywhere, and do a mix14:38
TMavicasimple edited14:40
TMavicasee ok or not14:40
chem|stTMavica: the n900 one is on my desk and bed, the n9 in my backpack and the jolla in my work-bag14:40
chem|stsome samsung 2A chargers distributed14:40
TMavicamy n9 and n900 is 3 pins14:40
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SK_workI have a question for you guys14:43
SK_workneither Jolla, nor SailifhsOS, but Linux14:43
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SK_workI have a server and want to connect on it remotely14:43
SK_workon this server I need to run Qt 5 apps (with QML, so opengl)14:43
SK_workwhat remote desktop configuration would you recommand ?14:43
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tadzikvnc of some sort14:43
Stskeepsconsider freerdp like setup as well14:44
SK_workwhat I tried: x2go: works quite well, smoothly, but Qt apps inside KDe are glitchy and basically, all Qt 5 apps crashes14:45
SK_worktightvnc: bad perfs and Qt 5 apps crashed too14:45
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SK_workturbovnc: good perfs too, but still getting Qt 5 crashes (and a strangly resolution for the X11 server)14:45
SK_workQt 5 apps crashing because of something related to xinput ...14:47
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Nicd-X forwarding?14:47
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SK_workNicd-: too slow14:49
chem|stSK_work: is it important that the xserver runs on the far end machine?14:49
SK_workchem|st: yep14:50
chem|stah read... slow...14:50
SK_workI would like to have vnc with turbojpeg14:50
locusfSK_work: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/GDM_XDMCP.html14:50
SK_workhowever it seems that all x servers spawned around with tight / tiger / turbovnc are having "issues" with xinput214:50
locusfor any xdmcp14:50
SK_workpreventing Qt ( apps being launched14:50
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SK_worklocusf: checking14:51
SK_worklocusf: worried about the fact that it seems that it is basically x forwarding14:52
SK_workso slow perfs14:52
locusfSK_work: oh ok14:52
locusfwhat about freenx?14:52
SK_worklocusf: tried x2go14:52
SK_workglitchy Qt 4 apps (x limitation ... again)14:52
chem|stSK_work: I ran several servers with openCL and ATI cards, and remote desktop, the ati cards need the xserver to initialize drivers properly and they needed to be assigned to that specific xserver and all remotely run commands needed to be specifically started at the $display the cards were assigned to14:53
SK_workchem|st: eww :s14:53
SK_workwhat did you used ?14:53
chem|stin the end I just started the xserver with a proper xorg.conf assigning the cards to display=0.014:54
SK_workchem|st: and using x11rdp ?14:55
chem|stand invoked the remote shell with exported display, no windowmanager14:55
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chem|stif xforwarding is to slow, there is nothing faster I know of...14:56
SK_workhum ... ok14:56
SK_workstill having a couple of solution to try (rdp, x11vnc etc.)14:57
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Anz_video playback stops when minimized to cover.. and no option to resume  by  cover action. is this the normal behavior? but this feature was there in product demo videos14:58
SK_workAnz_: yeah, it was removed it seems14:59
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Stskeepshw limitation14:59
chem|stStskeeps: ?15:00
SK_workStskeeps: really ?15:00
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Stskeepsyeah, from what i recall15:01
chem|stSK_work: you probably need something like vnc, you need to get the $Display your hardware runs for15:01
SK_workchem|st: yep15:01
SK_workright now, I didn't found any acceptable setup15:02
SK_workespecially that inside every setup, Qt 5 apps crashes15:02
chem|stSK_work: that is because you are not on the openGL capabel $display15:02
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Stskeepshint:llvmpipe15:03
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SK_workhint virtualgl15:04
SK_workchem|st: no, it's about xinput 2 not being correctly detected15:04
SK_workQt 5 check first if you have a 2.x xinput15:04
SK_workand fallback to 1.315:04
SK_workbut in muy case, the 2.x detecting process crashes15:04
chem|stSK_work: how did you start the program?15:05
SK_workchem|st: on the remote desktop (vnc client or x2go client)15:06
chem|stSK_work: try ssh - set the right display - start program15:06
SK_workchem|st: this works15:07
chem|stmight be that there is something wrong with the environment15:07
SK_work(not for opengl enabled Qt 5 apps of course, but this works)15:07
SK_workchem|st: I think there is something wrong with the X server that turbovnc or x2go manage15:07
chem|styeah you do not have the env15:08
SK_workthis just reminds me of http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_wayland_situation&num=115:08
chem|sttry invoking from shell, vnc should have that "click"able afterwards15:09
SK_workhum ...15:10
SK_workwill try15:10
chem|stI never got hardware acceleration properly working if I did not start that way, not even when the terminal I used was exported to the right display, the whole environment goes bogus and you probably need to set everything by hand to have it working again15:11
SK_workI see15:12
SK_workfor hw acceleration I'm cheating with virtualgl15:12
chem|stSK_work: same is for windows, if you start a 3D-hwaccel program on the machine and later rdesktop to it, it is working, if you try to get hw-accel working from any remote client you get lost15:14
SK_workchem|st: never tried15:14
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SK_workin fact it seems that windows's rdp works quite well15:14
SK_workbut I'm only using browser, mail and an IDe at work15:14
SK_workso ...15:15
SK_worknothing 3D, nothing fancy15:15
chem|stI have a Nvidia 3D workstation in my office and people thought they can use it remotely...15:15
chem|st"only if the program is running before you access remotely"15:15
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SK_workchem|st: that's practical ..15:19
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chem|steleroux: how does removing spam work? seems you reported it again after I did actually reject it already15:38
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elerouxchem|st: ah, my bad, I just wanted to make sure the post was gone (it needs 3 flags). Sorry for the hassle :)15:40
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chem|steleroux: no hassle, some stuff is just not so intuitive^^, spam will come more often, can it be "if spam let it have >=1 flags"?15:50
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elerouxchem|st: all mods get the notification, then it's just a matter of selecting "this is offensive" on the red button with the dropdown (accept on the left does actually authorize the post), flagged twice, post is hidden, 3 times, deleted…15:53
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chem|stso I do not need to reject it?16:12
chem|stah ok I need to reject it... if it gets rejected 3 times it is being deleted...16:13
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chem|stsounds wrong to me but well, if a mod rejects with unsolicited post it should get to admins or be deleted right away, at tmo we have spam sherifs, they got the ability to one-touch-clean spam, if that button is touched they need to confirm with password, if the user affected has >2 posts it is not available to spam-moderators anymore and I need to do it (or another allowed person)16:16
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chem|stthat button also reports username-email-IP to a spammerdb16:17
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Sail0rDoes anyone else have the problem that notifications sometimes get not grouped?18:07
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pdanekhttp://youtu.be/xw9LH_Dp2eM18:21
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chem|stSail0r: ?18:42
Sail0rsometimes when I get more and more notifications which are not cleared18:43
Sail0rthey don't group anymore as 4 new emails or 4 new sms18:43
Sail0rbut show up one each on the lockscreen18:43
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chem|stbe happy, people are complaining about the grouping and the not increasing counter after 10....18:46
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Sail0rk18:46
Sail0rso there are some bugs in the notifications view :)18:46
Sail0rand the missed call showing up again after reboot bug is also known18:47
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chem|stscroll tjc18:50
chem|stpdanek: makes me want one18:50
* Stskeeps yawns18:51
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* artemma hates it when trying to answer call swipes to application list by mistake (mistakes happen when your phone tends to be mostly half-frozen) and then hell knows how to get back to the call19:02
* artemma failed to answer a call today19:02
artemmait kind'a sucks to fail to answer a call when you call yourself a mobile pro with 7 current phones, apps in 4 different app stores for 5 platforms and over a dozen of years developing for mobiles :)19:03
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Stskeepswouldn't all your calls be over skype or whatsapp if you were truly a mobile pro? ;p19:05
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kimmolii have once failed to answer a call, kept ringing, then voicecall-ui died, i started that "app" again, and answered the call19:06
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KabouikHi there19:44
Stskeepsm0019:44
KabouikIs there a way to send an sms from the computer linked to the Jolla, anyhow? There was a terminal method posted on TJC and I did try it a long time ago, but it didn't work quite well19:45
Sail0rhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9350219:47
Sail0r@ Kabouik19:47
KabouikMarry me Sail0r!19:49
Sail0rlol19:49
KabouikWait, I apparently have an issue with pkcon:19:55
Kabouikpkcon install-local harbour-squilla-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm19:55
KabouikFatal error: Failed to obtain authentication.19:55
KabouikAnd it reminds me that I can't install/upgrade anything with Warehouse app, must be related19:55
KabouikAn authentification error too, by the way19:55
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giucamKabouik: run devel-su (-p)19:56
KabouikAin't I supposed to used pkcon install without root privileges?19:57
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KabouikI did that for all the apps I installed with terminal19:57
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Sail0rwhich sailfish version?19:58
KabouikLast one19:58
Sail0rread this https://openrepos.net/comment/3801#comment-3801 and the comment afterwards19:58
Kabouik1.0.8.19, just checked19:58
KabouikOh thanks, let's try this then! I hope it'll keep my repos19:59
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Sail0rlet's get sailfish to this ;) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/touchpico-turn-any-surface-into-a-touch-screen20:37
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